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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 02:56 PM Nov 2016

"Progressive" Cornel West Takes A Victory Lap After Helping Elect Donald Trump

He's so gleeful that Hillary lost he's actually downplaying Trump's planned white nationalist government as "just another ugly moment."

JUSTIN ROSARIO 2 HOURS AGO

There are three groups of people that are pushing the laughably false narrative that Trump was elected by white people suffering from "economic anxiety":

1. Republicans because it allows them to pretend they have not become the party of authoritarian white nationalism.

2. The "liberal" media because it allows them to avoid discussing the fact that the GOP has become the party of authoritarian white nationalism.

3. The anti-Hillary far left because, frankly, they're fucking assholes.

For an example of this third group, look no further than Cornel West, avowed foe of all things big "D" Democratic and enabler of Donald Trump:

The neoliberal era in the United States ended with a neofascist bang. The political triumph of Donald Trump shattered the establishments in the Democratic and Republican parties – both wedded to the rule of Big Money and to the reign of meretricious politicians.


West is one of those insipid "Both parties are the same" types that just happily cut off their nose to spite their face. If that sounds mean and condescending, let West explain his myopia to you himself:

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http://thedailybanter.com/2016/11/cornel-west-donald-trump/
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"Progressive" Cornel West Takes A Victory Lap After Helping Elect Donald Trump (Original Post) DonViejo Nov 2016 OP
We won't be ... LenaBaby61 Nov 2016 #1
I don't even want to read what he has to say...some alt left nut...OK so don't be a Democrat... TrekLuver Nov 2016 #2
Here's what most of the far left that I know, also believes WhiteTara Nov 2016 #3
This!!! DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #47
If everyone will ignore him will he finally crawl back into his own swamp? (nt) question everything Nov 2016 #4
Fuck Cornel West. I hope to never see or hear him again. (nt) Paladin Nov 2016 #5
Cornel West nevergiveup Nov 2016 #6
It's the culmination of money and politics BainsBane Nov 2016 #7
thanks a lot Bernie for giving this guy a national stage. ericson00 Nov 2016 #8
I never much liked him anyway. world wide wally Nov 2016 #9
Just not true. He's been a fine advocate for black people & the role of the church in their survival ancianita Nov 2016 #12
People in his field widely share the opinion that he has done little original work in the last grantcart Nov 2016 #39
Cornel West is a walking word salad, the words just happen to have many syllables. phleshdef Nov 2016 #10
Oh God, he's turned accelerationist. I can't even stand up for him anymore. ancianita Nov 2016 #11
Cornel West is not a Democrat. nt SunSeeker Nov 2016 #26
So? Make your point. ancianita Nov 2016 #28
You said "it's not good to put down a Democrat." Cornel West is not a Democrat. SunSeeker Nov 2016 #30
He's described himself as a "radical democrat, suspicious of all forms of authority," so that's how ancianita Nov 2016 #31
Cornel West endorsed the Green Party candidate, Jill Stein. SunSeeker Nov 2016 #33
Not with that but with this grantcart Nov 2016 #41
Not only is he not a Democrat. He is hated by Blacks. leftofcool Nov 2016 #34
Yup. What he said about Obama is unforgivable. nt SunSeeker Nov 2016 #36
This OP isn't helping the Democratic Underground cause. It's distractive scapegoating. Bernie ancianita Nov 2016 #13
He is not a famous Black brother. Most Blacks this he is an idiot. leftofcool Nov 2016 #35
Prove it. If he's good enough for Princeton and Bernie, he's good enough for me. ancianita Nov 2016 #37
how is princeton and bernie proof of his popularity with most black people ? JI7 Nov 2016 #42
That's a question, not proof. You made the claim. I know from 35 years of teaching in black ancianita Nov 2016 #44
The sad fact is that Cornel and his ilk will now see their dance cards fill. ucrdem Nov 2016 #14
Yup. Fame is a drug. La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #15
yup. glad i never paid for their crap before and will not do it now JI7 Nov 2016 #43
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Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #18
Well like yourself, West makes some valid points. YOHABLO Nov 2016 #17
"Brother West" is mad as a hatter. He may wind up working in the Don's organization. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2016 #19
He lost any credibility after his tantrum of not getting good enough seats stevenleser Nov 2016 #20
I dislike cornel west. elleng Nov 2016 #21
Not a fan n/t hibbing Nov 2016 #22
Fuck Cornel West, Fuck Nina Turner, Fuck Susan Sarandon and the rest who helped Trump win. TeamPooka Nov 2016 #23
What an a****** nt flamingdem Nov 2016 #24
He couldn't destroy Obama so Hillary will do. I learned some time ago mfcorey1 Nov 2016 #25
Donald Trump isn't wedded to Big Money? ramapo Nov 2016 #27
You're all correct! Plucketeer Nov 2016 #29
1.nt Snotcicles Nov 2016 #40
He seems to have flipped his wig a while ago Politicub Nov 2016 #32
I think West's actual piece is reasonable; he says the future is "terrifying" and is right. DemocraticWing Nov 2016 #38
Exactly! Plucketeer Nov 2016 #45
This guy's summary is wrong Nevernose Nov 2016 #46

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
1. We won't be ...
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 03:01 PM
Nov 2016

Hearing much of anything from this myopic clown from here on out because his agenda is DEAD for the most part for the very near future.

He's as irrelevant as that other myopic clown Susan Sarandon is now.

 

TrekLuver

(2,573 posts)
2. I don't even want to read what he has to say...some alt left nut...OK so don't be a Democrat...
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 03:01 PM
Nov 2016

you do you baby and be what you want to be...geesh.

WhiteTara

(29,716 posts)
3. Here's what most of the far left that I know, also believes
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 03:04 PM
Nov 2016

Conveniently disappeared is Obamacare, marriage equality, a stable and robust economy, the highly successful auto industry bailout, a trillion dollar reduction in the deficit, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, Dodd-Frank and the crippling of shadow banking, drawing down the wars in the Middle East, the Iran Deal, the appointment of two reliably liberal Justices to the Supreme Court, and dozens of other concrete and important progressive successes. Why? Because Obama didn't address the issues West cares about the most. Therefore, Obama is no different than a Republican.

You remember Republicans, right? The guys that want to make abortion illegal, end Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps and Social Security, and repeal every single regulation that keeps corporations from poisoning our food, water and air while setting the entire Middle East on fire? Yeah, Obama and the Democrats are just like them according to West and entirely too many on the far left.

Unsurprisingly, West endorsed the pro-Trump Jill Stein over lifelong liberal Hillary Clinton because the evils of Hillary's brand of pragmatic liberalism were somehow worse than the evils of Trump's promised authoriatrian white nationalism. He, of course, believes the dual fairy tales that Bernie would have beat Trump:

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
7. It's the culmination of money and politics
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 03:41 PM
Nov 2016

It hardly shattered it. We now have a pres elect brazenly using the office to further enrich himself.

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
8. thanks a lot Bernie for giving this guy a national stage.
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 03:44 PM
Nov 2016

Cornel West is a communist who is a disgrace to academia. He is why it looks like a joke these days.

world wide wally

(21,743 posts)
9. I never much liked him anyway.
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 03:45 PM
Nov 2016

He puts the pseudo in pseudo-intellectual and never says anything useful to anyone about anything

ancianita

(36,058 posts)
12. Just not true. He's been a fine advocate for black people & the role of the church in their survival
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 04:10 PM
Nov 2016

His books have been highly informative to interested allies over decades.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
39. People in his field widely share the opinion that he has done little original work in the last
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 06:23 PM
Nov 2016

15 years.

He is widely seen as a "flash in the pan" academically. who has basically been regurgitating his 1993 classic work Race Matters. He describes himself as a much better speaker than writer which I found astonishing because I find him a terrible public speaker:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/23/cornel-west-s-disappointing-decline.html



At some point, West shed the skin of a public intellectual, and slithered into the second skin of a public personality. It is a transformation that is undetectable to anyone not paying close attention. The author and professor teaches at Union Theological Seminary and regularly lectures at colleges and churches around the country, but he stopped writing
, , ,

Redundancy and repetition are problems for West. Pull up videos of his lectures and television interviews on YouTube, and after the charm of his rhetorical mastery and charismatic articulation expires, you will notice that he recycles the same catch phrases, slogans, and talking points in appearance after appearance.



Michael Dyson, once a close associate and close personal friend details the long and torturous decline of Cornel West here:

https://newrepublic.com/article/121550/cornel-wests-rise-fall-our-most-exciting-black-scholar-ghost

In his callous disregard for plural visions of truth, West, like the prophet Elijah, retreats into a deluded and self-important belief in his singular and exclusive rightness. . . Now he lumbers into his future, punch-drunk from too many fights unwisely undertaken, facing a cruel reality: His greatest opponent isn’t Obama, Sharpton, Harris-Perry, or me. It is the ghost of a self that spits at him from his own mirror.

It is no secret that both Harvard and Princeton were disappointed with his academic production (in terms of developing doctoral candidates and original post doctoral writing).

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
10. Cornel West is a walking word salad, the words just happen to have many syllables.
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 03:55 PM
Nov 2016

He is always off in his own little world. Fuck him.

ancianita

(36,058 posts)
11. Oh God, he's turned accelerationist. I can't even stand up for him anymore.
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 04:09 PM
Nov 2016


But it's not good to put down a fellow Democrat, when many public Democratic Party figures have been engaged in the "see, told you so" kind of rhetoric, Michael Moore being one, albeit for better reasons.

SunSeeker

(51,559 posts)
30. You said "it's not good to put down a Democrat." Cornel West is not a Democrat.
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 05:53 PM
Nov 2016

"Putting down" Cornel West is not Dem bashing. I think it is a good thing to call Cornel West.

ancianita

(36,058 posts)
31. He's described himself as a "radical democrat, suspicious of all forms of authority," so that's how
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 05:54 PM
Nov 2016

I regard him in spirit if not in actual long form registration fact.

Got a problem with that?

SunSeeker

(51,559 posts)
33. Cornel West endorsed the Green Party candidate, Jill Stein.
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 05:58 PM
Nov 2016

I definitely have a problem with that.

Also, the full Wikipedia passage you quote from is as follows:

West has described himself as a "non-Marxist socialist" (partly because he does not view Marxism and Christianity as reconcilable)[60] and serves as honorary chair of the Democratic Socialists of America, which he has described as "the first multiracial, socialist organization close enough to my politics that I could join".[7] He also described himself as a "radical democrat, suspicious of all forms of authority" on the Matrix-themed documentary The Burly Man Chronicles.[61]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornel_West

Since the only party position he holds is with the Democratic Socialists of America, I think it is fair to say he is a member of that party, not the Democratic Party.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
41. Not with that but with this
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 06:33 PM
Nov 2016

"I hate Barack Obama's policies. I hate his deeds. I hate his cowardice. I hate his acts.

Cornel West

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
34. Not only is he not a Democrat. He is hated by Blacks.
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 05:59 PM
Nov 2016

I can't repeat what the Blacks in our little church here call him.

ancianita

(36,058 posts)
13. This OP isn't helping the Democratic Underground cause. It's distractive scapegoating. Bernie
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 04:12 PM
Nov 2016

knows and appreciates his role in getting black people to understand their working class interests.

We all know this. It's not fair to start a whole thread of Cornel West bashing.

This is capitulation to divide and conquer media scapegoating and, tell the truth, black allies stirring our racial fears by singling out a black public figure and hatefully slinging the some double standard at a heretofore famous black brother in the public eye.

ancianita

(36,058 posts)
37. Prove it. If he's good enough for Princeton and Bernie, he's good enough for me.
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 06:13 PM
Nov 2016

Plenty of my black friends say he is. Plenty in the black communities I've worked in say he is.

Please proceed. Get a black public consensus and some linked proof around here to show how wrong I am.





ancianita

(36,058 posts)
44. That's a question, not proof. You made the claim. I know from 35 years of teaching in black
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 07:47 PM
Nov 2016

communities what I'm talking about. Look it up for yourself.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
14. The sad fact is that Cornel and his ilk will now see their dance cards fill.
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 04:24 PM
Nov 2016

Michael Moore is another. He's been languishing for years but now he can make funny little movies about Donald and Ivanka and be cute as a button sharing quips on the talk show circuit while Cornie yammers about how he was right all along ...


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stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
20. He lost any credibility after his tantrum of not getting good enough seats
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 05:11 PM
Nov 2016

at Obamas inauguration, a tantrum that lasted for years.

Perks like that are his #1 priority

mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
25. He couldn't destroy Obama so Hillary will do. I learned some time ago
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 05:37 PM
Nov 2016

that he is a big self centered phony!

ramapo

(4,588 posts)
27. Donald Trump isn't wedded to Big Money?
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 05:47 PM
Nov 2016

Trump is the definition of Big Money.

Cornell West makes my skin crawl plus he is an idiot.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
29. You're all correct!
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 05:52 PM
Nov 2016

We had our ass handed to us so we need to DOUBLE DOWN on more of what got us here. What's that line about doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results? Damn that West and Sanders and Warren and the like! Can we get DWS back in the driver's seat???

DemocraticWing

(1,290 posts)
38. I think West's actual piece is reasonable; he says the future is "terrifying" and is right.
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 06:20 PM
Nov 2016

And if we don't admit that the economic and political trends of the last 40 years led to this terrifying moment, we'll be useless in stopping it. We kept our heads buried in the sand too long, and too many people want to keep them buried.

For those of us on the margins of this terrifying society, this is not an option. Only the comfortable and the privileged can avoid self-reflection.

The time for change is at hand. We have to fight like hell to make sure it's positive change, and pray that it's not too late.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
45. Exactly!
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 08:10 PM
Nov 2016

Taking the successively higher and higher perch on the Titanic's superstructure is not a strategy for an ultimate turnaround!

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
46. This guy's summary is wrong
Sun Nov 20, 2016, 10:18 PM
Nov 2016

Try reading that fifth link, for instance. Binary thinking is one of the reasons we lost this election to begin with.

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