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Related: About this forumChrist Christy: My weight wouldn't be an issue for me to be President
Like HELL IT ISN'T!!!! Diabetes high blood pressure, heart disease are all related to excessive weight.I don't care what he says that man cannot be healthy to be President http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/12/chris_christie_tells_barbara_w.html#incart_river_default
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)he made it thru a four year presidential term and then lived another 17 years after that serving as Chief Justice of the US for 9 of those years.
bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)as being President.Plus we now have more diseases than back than
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)Besides, in the next two years he could pull a Hukabee and lose fifty pounds.
Brother Buzz
(36,444 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)There are lot more ways to combat things like high blood pressure, cholesterol & heart disease now than there were in the days of William Howard Taft.
Maximumnegro
(1,134 posts)you'd be wrong.
If you mean better nutrition and lifestyle, sure.
Renew Deal
(81,861 posts)History and precedent are a big deal when it comes to the presidency.
Taft left office in 1913.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)That probably contributed to his 17 years.
Hippo_Tron
(25,453 posts)James Madison, Abraham Lincoln, and Woodrow Wilson probably faced stress levels that equaled or exceeded that of a modern president, due to the magnitude of the wars over which they presided, but I most of the others probably did not. The presidency in the pre-FDR era was just not the same as it is today.
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)Just because you think it, doesn't necessarily make it so.
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)The surgery has come a long way since it's inception, and it has helped a lot of men and women to lose weight and keep it off. It also controls diabetes and losing the weight will take his blood pressure down. If Christie wants to be president, and I'm betting he does, he will have the surgery before 2013 is up and will be in great shape by 2014 when rest of the wannabees start makin the trek to Iowa. Count on it.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)I know I would be.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)I'm not a big fan of Chris Christie, but why can't he be president?
maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)and they have proved themselves unfit for the task.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)The OP was positing that because he's fat, he shouldn't be president. I think he shouldn't be president because his policies would be bad for America, not because he's fat.
Should Rick Santorum have been disqualified because he was homely? Or Michele Bachmann because she is short? No, they should be disqualified because their policies would have been a disaster.
maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)That said, homeliness and stature, like race and sex, are not the same as obesity. Morbid obesity affects morbidity.
POTUS is a physically demanding job requiring a person with a surfeit of vigor and self-discipline (exceptions: Clinton's libido, Bush 2's intellectual laziness). If Christie loses weight, you'll know he's running. If not, he's not serious about winning.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)and a top contender for president, you wouldn't consider him or her as a candidate?
maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)because i believe it would lead to a GOP presidency, which, as we've seen clearly, is a disaster for the planet.
in the general i would, yes. you have found the flaw in my predjudices.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)someday!
Bake
(21,977 posts)Batshit crazy, hell yes!
Bake
bunnies
(15,859 posts)his VP pick would get a hell of a lot of scrutiny... thats for damn sure.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)He will still be a force to be reckoned with.
He's not going to stop at being a governor.
Nay
(12,051 posts)lazy, junk-food-eating" poor people who are costing us taxpayers so much money. I wouldn't count on the fact that you're rich would let you get away with the "fat, lazy, junk-food-eating" meme. Your base isn't known for its ability to parse its insults.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)IOKIYAR
Nay
(12,051 posts)No Vested Interest
(5,167 posts)the real story on Christie's health and lifestyle choices?
Has he made any attempts at losing weight?
Does he do any exercise?
Does he have a history of high blood pressure and/or high cholesterol?
What is the word of this subject in NJ?
MADem
(135,425 posts)yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)Asthma rate for obese people (12%) was twice that of normal weight people (6%) in this study.
Twelve percent of the obese individuals had asthma, compared to six percent of the normal-weight study participants. And the likelihood of asthma rose as the body mass index -- BMI, a relation of weight and height used to gauge obesity -- increased and waist circumferences expanded.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I've only known a couple of people with the condition, that I was aware of, anyway, and they were not overweight.
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)Just means one can affect the incidence of or severity of the other. In this study the levels of asthma were twice as high in obese people as those with normal weight. That is a fact, not a factoid. A factoid is something alleged to be true without any evidence. In this case there is evidence.
womanofthehills
(8,718 posts)At 55 yrs old she died from an asthma attack. She had high blood pressure, cholesterol and would get out of breath just walking to her car.
MADem
(135,425 posts)much relevant context.
...The word factoid is now sometimes also used to mean a small piece of true but valueless or insignificant information, in contrast to the original definition. This has been popularized by the CNN Headline News TV channel, which, during the 1980s and 1990s, used to frequently include such a fact under the heading "factoid" during newscasts. BBC Radio 2 presenter Steve Wright uses factoids extensively on his show. Occasionally these can be incorrect, such as in September 2012 defining a Googol as the number 1 followed by one million zeroes, when the correct definition is the number 1 followed by one hundred zeroes.[15]
As a result of confusion over the meaning of factoid, some English-language style and usage guides recommend against its use.[16] Language expert William Safire in his On Language column advocated the use of the word factlet to express a "little bit of arcana".[17]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factoid
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)Particularly to the asthmatic person whose asthma is worse because of obesity.
So "factoid" would not be appropriate here imo.
treestar
(82,383 posts)The obesity could result from the asthma - not as much chance to exercise, say - than the other way round.
mzteaze
(448 posts)He told Oprah that he was trying to do better by working with a trainer and dietitian. I guess he is singing a different tune since that didn't turn out so well.
Jersey Devil
(9,874 posts)I have seen him a few times and he is massive. I'd say he is AT LEAST 400 pounds and my guess is that he is probably closer to 450. Anyone that grossly overweight has serious health issues no matter what he says.
dmallind
(10,437 posts)A long term influential British MP who died recently?
At 83.
Of an unrelated cancer.
Fat fuckers can't do politics though eh?
MADem
(135,425 posts)And Cyril weighed, at his top weight 190 kilos (418 lbs).
And he didn't have asthma, like Christie does, near as anyone knew. Cyril also didn't stand for party leader and head of government, either. He was a child abuser, though http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-20516533 -- and that was an issue that was covered up. Perhaps that's a reason why that "fat fucker" (your words) shouldn't have been in public life.
Chris Christie most certainly can and does "do politics"--he's not a janitor, he's the governor of NJ.
He's not in good health, though--he can't even walk more than a few dozen yards without wheezing. He's not a young man anymore--he's fifty. That's when those middle aged problems really start to kick in, and it doesn't get better as you head towards sixty and beyond.
Cha
(297,322 posts)be a BIG PROBLEM for AMERICA.
dmallind
(10,437 posts)The demands of the presidency are vast, but they are mental not physical. The guy gets chauffeured everywhere and lifts nothing heavier than a pen. Fat folk don't fucking explode when asked to sit in an office or on a luxury plane for 15 hours ya know.
You surely know that obesity has a minimal to truly trivial impact on longevity, right? All that Geraldo scary infotainment shit abour weight ALWAYS fixates on relative risk. It doesn't matter a flying crap that Christie is X times more likely to get a given cancer or whatever. What matters is how likely he is to get it. Buying 8 powerball tickets increases your chances of being a multimillionaire 800%, but I wouldn't suggest changing your life or possible career options because of it.
helenp2
(1 post)steps of Air Force One. Obnoxious - Fat - Blowhard!
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)dmallind
(10,437 posts)No Vested Interest
(5,167 posts)I believe that is one of the intangible characteristics that made him more physically appealing than his presidential opponents McCain and Wat's-His-Name.
And, yes, I did observe him sprinting onto a platform when about to speak or campaign.
I believe in today's political climate, with the ever present cameras, that, all things being equal, a younger-appearing person will out-poll a more senior candidate.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)Jus' sayin' ...
Jennicut
(25,415 posts)Or will get heart disease, high blood pressure, etc.
I have type 1 diabetes, my mother has high blood pressure. My mother is not obese. And I am not going to drop dead of a diabetes related disease overnight. At least I hope not, I am only 36. I can do plenty of things that other people can do.
Of course, the American public always scrutinizes our Presidential candidates in terms of age, race, sex and I suppose if Christie runs, in terms of weight.
I think he could handle the job. It is not a physically demanding job so much as it is draining emotionally/mentally. The real question is do people want Christie to be President? I don't agree with any of his views so that would be a no for me. But running for President? I don't care about his weight. Non issue.
Xyzse
(8,217 posts)It shouldn't disqualify him from seeking the Presidential seat.
Would I want him as a President? Of course not, but to say that his weight would stop him from being qualified? That to me is a bit prejudiced. There are very thin people whose circulation system is so messed up that they get heart attacks too.
I don't like him at all, that is my reason I would not vote for him or consider him Presidential material. I take that from his policies... How big he is, does not factor in that, even if I might make fun of him now and then.
DrToast
(6,414 posts)Smilo
(1,944 posts)Never mind his weight - he has no sense of decorum or diplomacy and that is needed in a president.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)the front lines. Yes he is a Porker but I wouldn't vote for him because he has a big mouth and can't seem to be nice when a citizen asks a question.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)My fear of spiders won't be a problem for me to study arachnids ... That's because, neither one of us will do either.
Not Me
(3,398 posts)and lose weight and gain popularity. You watch...
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Bet his insurance (we pay for) covers everything.
Third Doctor
(1,574 posts)But we seem to live in a eye candy loving society now. Image seems to trump his ability to do the work.
kimbutgar
(21,163 posts)But wouldn't work well in other states. Christie has some baggage from his days working in the Bush justice department and some questionable dealings with organized crime in NJ. The fat thing is another bit of big baggage. The fact that he has to get off an helicopter and then walk 10 feet to a car to go 25 feet says something about him. I see a coronary waiting to happen. He doesn't have the temperament to mount a 1 year vigorous campaign with his weight issues getting in the way. Plus we know he likes food and will be offered a lot of food on the trail. No I just don't see Christie getting far except in Fox world and that world is slowly eroding and dying off.
MADem
(135,425 posts)He comes off as thuggish at times, too:
I wouldn't be surprised if they dust off Jeb Bush, if they can't find another "star" to shine on behalf of the GOP.
DFW
(54,408 posts)high density
(13,397 posts)It was obviously not a good lifestyle. Blood pressure was through the roof. Spontaneous nosebleeds occurred all the time. Office chairs would disintegrate under my massive load. I'd get winded just standing up from being seated. My legs would burn after a quarter mile of walking.
If he truly can't "figure out" why he is so huge, then he definitely does not deserve to be president.
FSogol
(45,488 posts)Just saying.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,202 posts)I also think it could be an issue with undecided voters. I think John McCain's age was an issue, which made his choice of Palin for VP catastrophic. If he was the Republican candidate, they generally undergo a physical and release a letter from their doctor about their health status. Romney and Ryan did.
WooWooWoo
(454 posts)if anything, it'll probably help him connect with voters.
Justice
(7,188 posts)Christie is really overweight, not just a bit chubby. It is an issue. I bet Christie has surgery in 2013 or suddenly goes on a massive diet.
Maximumnegro
(1,134 posts)People who lose massive amounts of weight then require lots of surgery to remove the excess flab. Their faces also look... not so great during the process. It takes time. And being a public figure he won't be able to just disappear for a year to deal with it.
The guy is not going to be President being morbidly obese. Also the media WILL bring it up over and over again and it will be a distraction for his campaign. Folks can try and play 'let's not judge' but masses as we know are lowest common denominator. If he had amazing qualities in all other respects then just maybe, but let's be real - it just isn't going to happen.
brooklynite
(94,598 posts)When you have to say it....
Renew Deal
(81,861 posts)But it will be used to lampoon him any time something bad happens. Just look at the image search results for "Taft cartoons". A lot of them are about his weight.
I've heard less political people that I know say that his weight is "unhealthy." I agree, but I also think that there are people that will support him for being "real."
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)karynnj
(59,504 posts)The complications of polio equal or exceed the problems with obesity.
You might remember - as you are from NJ - that jokes and snide attacks on his weight made a bully sympathetic and a disliked Democratic Governor less likable.
LeftInTX
(25,380 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)and the guy functions as governor of NJ - if his health were so bad he couldn't even do that.
Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)Get off your goddamn high horse...
And criticize him for his horrible policies.
The obsession with body image is sickening.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I somehow don't think Christ plans to run for any elected office.
bamacrat
(3,867 posts)I thought it was Chris. If it is Christ then he is the perfect republican.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)who are always desperate for something to attack someone about.