Remeber Susan Sarandon? She would like to reach out in a dialogue to those who voted for trump

[still_one]

and not make a blanket judgement of them?

Sarandon recently tweeted that the left needs to “reach out in dialogue to those who voted 4 him. We can’t afford a blanket judgement of them. We need allies in that camp.

https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/798591389000822784

I think Debra Messing said it best:

Isn't that special, "she wants to give a racist, islamophobic, homophobic, sexist a chance"

Perhaps .Sarandon can invite Jeff Session, Steve Bannon, and David Duke over for high tea while she is at it

[COLGATE4]

1. ... and the horse Susan rode in on.

[DURHAM D]

3. twice

[Uponthegears]

5. I tried, BUT

Yea, what you said

WTF happened to wanting Trump to win so we would burn it all down?

[Uponthegears]

2. Okay, fine

I give up.

[inchhigh]

4. perhaps we should have listened to her before the election

And we could have reached out to them from Persident Sander's office.

[still_one]

13. It was people like her who refused to vote for Hillary why we have Trump

Hillary lost Michigan by .3%. Jill Stein received 1.1% of the vote. Same thing in Wisconsin, and other critical states

and as far as you hypothetical Sanders assertion, Russ Feingold, Zypher Teachout, Jane Kim, and Loretta lost, as did every swing state Senate race against the establishment, incumbent republican.

Should have listened to her? Don't make me laugh. She won't be hurt by a trump presidency, with her many millions of dollars

It is Women's rights, Civil Rights, Environmental rights, and whole groups of people that will suffer because of those actions.

She can go to hell

[TeamPooka]

46. This. Fuck Susan Saradon and her "ideals" that have sent this country into Hell.

[duffyduff]

20. Sure. Sanders would have been slaughtered by Bloomberg and Trump.

You conveniently forget Michael Bloomberg's threat to join the race if Sanders had been the nominee.

[Uponthegears]

30. As much as I am tired of

listening to Hillary apologists blame everybody BUT her campaign for what happened (including black, brown, and wwc democratic voters who didn't turn out in the numbers they thought they should), you are 100% right about the "I told you so"-ers. Bernie would have never faced Trump because Trump's anti-establishment spiel only attracted GOPers b/c it gored Hillary. He would have faced a Rubio or a Bush . . . or, as you suggest, a Bloomberg. I campaigned for Bernie until Hillary was nominated (and then canvassed and phone banked for her) and even I say this stuff about how we should have listened to Sarandon, who stabbed Bernie in the back, makes me sick.

[MFM008]

26. Do you have a guarantee

For that comment?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

45. If only!! Four years of Heir tRump will seem like an eternity, but then, after every storm, there's a rainbow...

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Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!

[MADem]

82. Sounds like a casting call for a retirement home.

A candidate over eighty, and a candidate over seventy? Both lightning rods and divisive?

Nope. This is just not going to happen.

Besides, Sanders after affiliating with us as a Democratic candidate, has, following the conclusion of the primary, left the Democratic Party, and put the "I" after his name once again. Formally. He made a statement to the effect that he was elected as an independent and that is how he was going to continue to serve. He caucuses with us, and that's fine, and he has an "outreach" position which is more of a title than an actual leadership/decision-making gig, but he is an adjunct, not a member, of our party--by HIS choice.

Plus, they're too far to the left for the bulk of the party. The Democratic Party is a BIG tent, and it includes centrists/moderates and yes, even conservative Democrats. Sanders does not appeal to that segment of the party at all; in fact, many continue to blame him for the fractures on the left. He will likely never get past all that.

[Recursion]

50. When she said the guy who got lower turnout in the primaries would win...

... in an election where low turnout was our problem?

No thanks.

[heaven05]

66. Bannon would have destroyed

Sanders and I don't care if he offered free tuition college. The voter for trumpfuhrer besides being racist, sexist, zenophobic IS anti-semitic also, big time. Nah still would have been this idiot coming up from the toilet, Jan 20, 1917..uhh 2017.

[MADem]

83. That "free college" stuff was an idea, not a reality.

HE had no power to do diddly. He would have to get Congress to sign off on that expenditure, but I doubt they'd leap to accommodate that.

Remember, Hillary Clinton wanted UNIVERSAL health care in the 90s.

Things move slowly in DC.

He was trying to get the votes of college kids, who apparently don't understand that they'd be writing a LOT of those loan payback checks and possibly paying off their loans before we as a nation ever see this.

[heaven05]

92. NO problem

Sanders was a viable alternative to HRC, just would have ended up like HRC surprisingly defeated. The polls all said she had it in the bag, the lying stealth racist voters made a difference, I think. The Comey stab in the back. The bromance between Putin, Comey and the trumpfuhrer played a media downplayed huge role in this election and the fraud that it is turning out to be. I am still reeling, yet all that is left is fight the scandal laden Powers That Be. Hopefully our Party's leadership will step up and lead.

[sheshe2]

6. All she is saying...

is give him a chance.

Sorry Susie Q...you have the money to survive this vile piece of shit. 99% of us do not. Will you support us when we lose ACA MEDICARE MEDICAID? Yup, didn't think so.

[PJMcK]

7. Who? (n/t)

[lastlib]

8. I don't make nice with Fascists.

Sorry Susan, but screw your idea.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

44. Seriously! Fuck that!

[SammyWinstonJack]

9. Not reaching out to the Deplorables, thanks but NO!

[bhikkhu]

10. As far as letting them know who we are, principles, etc

I'm in favor. The problem of people living inside little information boxes is a real thing, and in my right-leaning town its very common to hear people in discussion speaking of "liberals" as nutjobs and slackers who have no idea how things really work.

The opposite is the case; most of my politics is based on the core principles of the constitution, the idea of essential equality, and the government's responsibility to uphold the law. I never have a problem engaging with people in real discussion. It doesn't happen often enough (very busy schedule), but its a good thing when it does.

[guillaumeb]

12. Agreed. Dialogue is the only way to reach people, not writing them off. eom

[sheshe2]

36. I am sorry. I can not agree.

There is no dialogue with racists. They are also sexist and want to take back every dayum thing we have earned. Why the hell did we have to earn anything? We are human beings and deserve the same rights as any man.

[guillaumeb]

74. Some are racist, some are sexist, some are no doubt both.

And some might be unreachable. I recognize this, but I hope people will at least make an effort to educate them.

And I do not know that a majority want to take back what has been earned. I think some are acting out of fear. They are afraid of change and afraid of difference.

The worst part of this is that Trump has attempted to normalize predatory behavior.

[pennylane100]

40. Oh I can think of so many much more painful ways to reach out to them.

If only they were legal.

[guillaumeb]

75. But those ways might be reciprocated.

Thus making the situation more volatile. And people like Trump rely on fear as a motivator. His campaign was built on fear of the other.

[NBachers]

57. So, how'd Obama's attempts to dialogue and reach across the aisle work out for him? Or for us?

[guillaumeb]

76. Eight years of obstructionism.

My arguments here are not directed against the GOP politicians who use race, gender, religion, and sexual orientation to divide. My remarks are meant for the people who are being manipulated by these politicians.

[heaven05]

94. they know who we are

and discussion with a closed mind using all lies to justify poisition when all they are is racist, fascist, sexist, zenophobic is a meaningless exercise. When discussion is not an option....well.......when in Rome........

[guillaumeb]

11. So is the idea to write off every single Trump voter?

Or is the idea to attract those Trump voters who are not racists?

I vote for the second option. I know a few Trump voters. Some are racists, some are just angry, and I would say confused.

[duffyduff]

15. You are naive. You can't change a mindset that has been there since practically birth.

n/t

[guillaumeb]

24. We disagree.

I simply do not believe that every single Trump voter is a racist.

[LenaBaby61]

28. While they may not be racist...

Then it really is sad that they were SO confused that they co-signed with racism because they voted for a racist, bigoted, misogynistic, sexually-assalting candidate in tRump. I mean, did these folks not KNOW that Bannon his buddy was a Nazi associated with the Alt-right?


Good Grief

As for Sarandon, hope she enjoys her "outreach" with Nazis, fascists and the REST of King of the deplorables tRump and his matching basket of deplorables.

[guillaumeb]

70. Having talked with many Trump people about politics, it is surprising and saddening

how little fact there is to back up the Trump voters' beliefs. And this ignorance of fact might account for the willingness to vote for Trump.

[pennylane100]

42. Well you may be right. They could be just as dumb as sh*t

[deurbano]

48. I think they are racist AND dumb as shit.

[pennylane100]

53. Even better.

[guillaumeb]

71. Or simply uninformed. If a person relies on FOX and Breitbart and Limbaugh

for information, that can explain much.

[DemonGoddess]

47. The ones who MIGHT be able to claim not being racist are certainly

sexist.

[guillaumeb]

72. True. And the media has been guilty of promoting the "Clinton is dishonest" meme

for many years. Constant repetition of GOP talking points makes them seem more believable.

[still_one]

19. confused? There was no ambiguity where trump stood, and his endorsement by the KKK

and David Duke make that very clear

The 27% that voted for trump, not coincidentally, is very similar to the same number in the U.S. who believes that President Obama is not an American

and her previous bits of wisdom before the election was how Hillary was more dangerous than trump.

She is an extremely rich person, who won't be touched by the results of this election, while others suffer

[guillaumeb]

25. I feel that Sarandon, like most rich people, is living in a bubble.

But making blanket generalizations is not generally a good practice.

[still_one]

32. I generally agree with your statement about generalizations, and while the polls on

trump supporters do indicate not every trump supporter has racist inclinations, the polls do indicate that the majority of trump supporters do have racist tendencies.

[guillaumeb]

69. I liked the wording of your response.

And even if I accept that a majority, or a significant plurality, of Trump supporters have racist tendencies, can they be reached? Assuming that Trump won the election with 24% of the vote, and further assuming that 1/2 of these voters are racist, can 12% of the voting population really be ignored?

[Lil Missy]

34. Yes, write off every Trump voter. We don't negotiate with terrorists.

[guillaumeb]

77. So you are branding every Trump voter?

And you are dismissing as unsalvageable 24% of registered voters?

[Lil Missy]

95. Yes.

[Recursion]

62. Pretty much; yes. He got fewer voters than Romney

We don't need to win over anybody who voted for Trump.

[guillaumeb]

78. If I accepted this logic, which I do not,

that would mean that somehow the Democratic party must motivate a large number of the 41% of registered non-voters to vote for the Democrats.

Which begs the question:
If Clinton's campaign did not motivate 41% of these non-participants, what is missing in the message?

[Recursion]

79. Nothing; people don't vote based on policy

Never have, for that matter.

[guillaumeb]

84. So all campaigns are based solely on images?

Hope and change
Morning in America again
Make America great again?

I disagree because people feel that they are voting in their own best interests. Lack of information and/or education might make them unable to recognize what truly serves their interests, and by extension the interests of the majority.

[duffyduff]

14. She can go to hell. n/t

[liberal N proud]

16. She can still take flying leap

[NastyRiffraff]

17. There are people you can't "dialogue" with

no matter how hard you try. The racists, homophobes, misogynists, xenophobics, religious fundamentalists live in their own bubble. It does not matter how you "reach out" to them. It does not matter how much evidence, good sense, etc. etc. you present; they don't care.

But Susan probably can "dialog" with them; she has the same type of mindset: she's right and everyone else is wrong.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

18. I don't see her saying give Trump a chance

I see her saying reach out to those who voted for him to see why they did so.

I don't see why that's such a bad idea.

[duffyduff]

21. I don't give a shit what that airhead says. She is part of the problem. n/t

[still_one]

22. Excuse me, but she did say that Hillary was worse than trump, and more dangerous than

trump on multiple occasions

[still_one]

23. I also notice that Jill Stein and Gary Johnson,, (I didn't get my 5%), are noticeablly absent

since the election

[mtnsnake]

27. Hell will freeze over before I reach out to them

Apparently, Susan Sarandon, living in her utopian bubble, has never had the displeasure of a one on one conversation with an actual deplorable before, as most of us have had. If she had, I think she would be changing her tune a bit. You cannot reach out to those people because they are simply unreachable. Reach out and smack 'em maybe.

[JTFrog]

29. Fuck off Susan. You seriously want to go there now?

Sometimes I wish I knew these people in person because I just can't believe they actually exist. I have many serious questions I would love to ask her.

[Zambero]

31. Deplorable standing confirmed

This verbal vomit is precisely the defeatist perception representing the narrow electoral margin of victory for Trump. 100's of thousands stayed home, voted 3rd party, or pulled the lever for a fascist. Sarandon wanted change, embraces the results, and asks us to give it a chance. And yes, there is that aforementioned horse that she rode in on ....

[Lil Missy]

33. Susan, go start your own Party instead of being a parasite.

[Historic NY]

35. She sticking her nose into things in my county over a natural gas plant.

[bench scientist]

37. On Rural America: Understanding Isn't The Problem .

Long read but very good some highlights:

"Democrats failed to understand white, working class, fly-over America.” Trump supports are saying this. Progressive pundits are saying this. Talking heads across all forms of the media are saying this. Even some Democratic leaders are saying this. It doesn’t matter how many people say it, it is complete bullshit. It is an intellectual/linguistic sleight of hand meant to throw attention away from the real problem. The real problem isn’t east coast elites don’t understand or care about rural America. The real problem is rural America doesn’t understand the causes of their own situations and fears and they have shown no interest in finding out."

"Education is the enemy of fundamentalism because fundamentalism, by its very nature, is not built on facts. The fundamentalists I grew up around aren’t anti-education. They want their kids to know how to read and write. They are anti-quality, in-depth, broad, specialized education. Learning is only valued up to the certain point. "

"Because rural, Christian, white Americans will not listen to educated arguments, supported by facts that go against their fundamentalist belief systems from “outsiders,” any change must come from within. Internal change in these systems does happen, but it happens infrequently and it always lags far behind reality. This is why they fear change so much. They aren’t used to it."

"Another major problem with closed-off, fundamentalist belief systems is they are very susceptible to propaganda. All belief systems are to some extent, but fundamentalist systems even more so because there are no checks and balances. If bad information gets in, it doesn’t get out and because there are no internal mechanisms to guard against it, it usually ends up very damaging to the whole."Without built-in protective functions like critical analysis, self-reflection, openness to counter-evidence, willingness to re-evaluate any and all beliefs, etc., bad information in a closed-off system ends up doing massive damage in short period of time. What has happened to too many fundamentalist belief systems is damaging information has been allowed in from people who have been granted “expert status.” If someone is allowed into a closed-off system and their information is deemed acceptable, anything they say will readily be accepted and become gospel".

Entire thing at link:

https://t.co/eiR7Qe4Obe

Edited to add: I keep thinking of a John Oliver segment from weeks ago about bring "feelings" to a "fact" fight. I have no doubt rural America "feels" like it lost it's way of life and that Trump can solve it for them. This will not change the facts of that the Trumpadministrationn care one wit about their economic interest and is going to decimate rural and working class that voted for him disproportionately.

[duffyduff]

38. You can't fix these people. They are willfully stupid.

They are susceptible to propaganda, which is why the media pimping for Trump is so outrageous.

We really should just let them wither away.

Along those lines, Richard Hofstadter's famous essay "The Paranoid Style in American Politics" is as true today as it was back in 1964:

http://harpers.org/archive/1964/11/the-paranoid-style-in-american-politics/

[bench scientist]

39. I was just discussing that very essay with my Constitutional Law Professor this week.

It is EXACTLY that!

[duffyduff]

41. And you can download it and keep it on PDF,

which is exactly what I did.

I have his book of essays by the same name.

[bench scientist]

43. Thanks I did!

[bettyellen]

68. Thanks for the tip!

[TeamPooka]

49. Susan wants to have a marshmallow roast with them around their burning crosses. nt

[jalan48]

51. I do like Thelma and Louise.

[George II]

52. Hey Suze....reach out for THIS, you nasty woman (and not in the Trump sense of the expression)!

[Tarheel_Dem]

54. F**k Sarandon, and anything she's promoting.

[longship]

55. Then keep going!

[LeftInTX]

85. LOL - Most overrated movie ever

Road trip movie where Arkansas, Oklahoma, and Texas scenes were filmed in Kern County, California. I hate it when scenery is wrong. So 1950s.

[onecaliberal]

56. Not only no but Fuck no

[handmade34]

58. this is my message as well...

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/17/1600760/-Aftermath-2016-Tess-Rafferty-s-hard-hitting-statement-on-the-election-of-Trump

[AmericanMan1958]

63. Thanks for Sharing...

She speak for me, also.

I have stopped being polite and cut-off many of my friends and family.

I am lucky, I have had a great paying job for my whole life. Plus I am a White elderly male. I can walk among them. I hear what is said and it sickens me.
Those of you in DU who have you holly then thou thoughts on how we can change them. Get over it, It is not going to happen. Their souls are darken with hate. Their self pity has been converted to hatred for anyone who doesn't agree or looks like them.
I am Lucky!!
I have paid 28-30% in taxes for many, many years and I proudly do so.

But,screw these selfish greedy SOB's.

I will continue to help those that are part of the solution.
Those that are part of the problem, can go to hell.

[handmade34]

88. ....

[Bobbie Jo]

59. Pffffffffft.

[gulliver]

60. Maybe the world needs to be pushed into a hellish nightmare.

Maybe that's the only way it will finally vote the way Sarandon, Ralph Nader and their fellow saints think it should.

[UCmeNdc]

61. What is wrong with these people?

Why do they always give in to tyranny?

These same people would say it was an honor to challenge Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama.

[Paladin]

64. Like I'm accepting anything Sarandon says, at this point. (nt)

[heaven05]

65. I so loved her for years

well, we all make mistakes when it comes to love

[True_Blue]

67. She supported Nader in 2000

Then in 2004 she signed a petition with other celebs begging Nader not to run because we couldn't afford another 4 yrs of Bush. I have a feeling the Bush yrs are going to feel like a walk in the park compared to what Trump has in store for us.

[workinclasszero]

73. Eat shit and die Susan

The racist Jew hating dictator of Amerika really appreciates all the help you and the green party gave him so he can destroy all of us non rich masses.

[hrmjustin]

80. As far as I am concerned there is a special place in hell for Susan Sarandon, Ralph Nader,

Jill Stein, Gary Johnson, William Weld, and every other idiot who voted and promoted third party over Hillary.

[lonestarnot]

81. Ok could you just fuck off you bug eyed fuckwit.

[Retrograde]

86. So who's stopping her?

It's (still) a free country - she can go talk to whomever she wants. i just don't want to hear about it.

[cynatnite]

87. Is she going to normalize Trump and his racism in order to "reach out"? n/t

[LiberalFighter]

89. I vote that we make a blanket judgement about Sarandon.

[NCTraveler]

90. She simply needs to look into the mirror and start talking.

She put time and effort into electing Trump.

[TrekLuver]

91. How dare she call herself left...she's so far left she is out of the ballpark and in the parking lot

[cry baby]

93. I think we had better try to understand how to win over

these people, or we continue to circle the hole at the bottom of the drain.

I'm really tired of Sarandon. I prefer how Van Jones sees things and expressing how we get back on our feet...and how we have to change the hearts of trump voters. We can't really do that if we don't try to understand.

We can achieve all things through understanding.