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Related: About this forumSusan Rice’s Personality Disorder
Dec 12, 2012 7:45 AM ESTBrusque. Aggressive. Undiplomatic. The adjectives used to describe the ambassador arent kind. Lloyd Grove on Susan Rices polarizing temperamentand why that may matter more than Benghazi.
Susan Rice, the United States ambassador to the United Nations and President Obamas most visible candidate to replace Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State, is being subjected to an immutable law of the Washington power grid: In the rough and tumble of political combat, personality trumps policy. Government policy, especially foreign policy, is rife with nuance and complication. But personality is easier to grasp and harder to shed.
Recent critiques of Rices influence on U.S. diplomacy in Rwanda, Sudan, and Eritrea over the past two decades are endlessly debatable among think-tank elites. Republican Sen. John McCains threat to block her (hypothetical) confirmation because she relied on faulty intelligence to mischaracterize the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya,a warning joined by fellow GOP Sens. Lindsey Graham and Kelly Ayotteseems emptier by the day. Rice, after all, is African American and femaletwo demographics that the Republican Party is not especially anxious to alienate further.
It is a fact that Susan had no role in determining the security footprint in Benghazi or gathering or assessing the intelligence of what happened before, during or after, says National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor. She simply went on TV and gave interviews.
But Rices personalityor temperament, in the parlance of her Beltway criticsis increasingly front and center. She is frequently described in the press with such adjectives as brusque, aggressive, and undiplomatic in the extreme.
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/12/12/susan-rice-s-personality-disorder.html
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)If she is so "undiplomatic", how has she remained employed this long?
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,414 posts)I would not, for one, think that you could get very far in a diplomatic job if you weren't able to BE diplomatic. My understanding is that she has worked in and around the state department for quite some time. Didn't somebody even allude to her having been around at the time of the Kenya and Tanzania bombings in 1998? There are some very determined interests trying to make sure that she doesn't get this post and one can only wonder why.
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)whispering campaign about being a bitch by Republicans. It happened to Hillary. It happened to Nancy Pelosi. It is the MO of the Republicans to tarnish Democratic women in this way. If this is so true why aren't any of them willing to go on the record? Instead they use general euphemisms such as "unqualified", "too political", etc.
hlthe2b
(102,292 posts)Ugly hit piece, IMO
gollygee
(22,336 posts)there are some nasty stereotypes to this effect
Texin
(2,596 posts)Unless a woman is fanning herself or fainting from the vapors like Aunt Pittypat, she's considered a nut-cutting bitch on wheels.
monmouth3
(3,871 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)C'mon.
Cha
(297,314 posts)yellerpup
(12,253 posts)brusque, aggressive, and undiplomatic in the extreme, what do they call John Bolton?
Justkd1
(64 posts)Love how the GOP is now relegated to low level gossip from sources conveniently anonymous. Where's McCain now?!
yellerpup
(12,253 posts)(or is that asparagus?) based on anonymous gossip.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)genuine problems in his interactions that went far beyond "abrasive".
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)If I were Rice interacting with Bolton, it would be very difficult for me to keep my cool. He is the most disgusting person I can think of. I don't even read his opinions on anything anymore, as I know they will be so far off base, it isn't worth my time. I discounted him years ago and see from headlines that I wasn't wrong to do so.
yellerpup
(12,253 posts)He's been an ass every time I've ever seen him, and if he's an ass on TV in front of a national audience, I can't imagine what an asshat he is in private when he really lets himself go.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)which leads me to not even want to read the article. The adjectives, unflattering as they are and as far from diplomacy as they are, they do not come close to a "personality disorder".
I think the Obama administration has really mismanaged this nomination. They should have worked to avoid leaks - as they have done nothing but lead to attacks on all mentioned. (In Rice's case, above and beyond the attacks that would have still happened for being a prominent spokesperson on Benghazi.) It is also possible that the problem is the DC pundits trying to influence the process to the likely candidate that they prefer.
Looking back at what was said where, I was surprised how the Washington Post was the initial story on almost every article that suggested Rice was Obama's first choice - even when his people were saying he had not yet decided. Then yesterday, they had an opinion piece that suggested what many here have said - that if Obama does NOT pick her, it will appear that he caved to the Republicans. In fact, IF he picks her because her allies in the WP ginned up the idea that she was his top choice if indeed she isn't, then he will have caved to the beltway pundits and powers that be.
genna
(1,945 posts)It rings truer than the WP account.
They've been leaking all they can so they don't have to deal with the woman of color.
genna
(1,945 posts)Professor Guinier first came to public attention in 1993 when President Clinton nominated her to be the first black woman to head the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice. She had been a civil rights attorney for more than ten years and had served in the Civil Rights Division during the Carter Administration as special assistant to then Assistant Attorney General Drew S. Days. Immediately after her name was put forward in 1993, conservatives virulently attacked Guiniers views on democracy and voting, driving Clinton to withdraw her nomination without a confirmation hearing. That experience led Guinier to use her subsequent public platform to speak out on issues of race, gender and democratic decision-making and to call for candid public discourse on these issues.
http://www.minerscanary.org/whoweare/lani_guinier.htm
gordianot
(15,239 posts)Oh my God the irony.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)to suit the old guard.
Silent3
(15,223 posts)...this is exactly how people too often describe women for simply not being doormats, for even daring to be half as assertive and confrontational as a man can be while the man is praised as "bold" and "decisive" and "no nonsense".
genna
(1,945 posts)politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)and the linked article compares her to a drunk who was not confirmed 20+ years ago. Give me a break. Last week the right was leaking info about her conflict of interest due to the fact that she and her husband held stock in the Canadian company which the State Dept war reviewing related to the XL Pipeline aimed to poison the water because she as a black woman dared have a few dollars. I think the link was intentional to disqualify her based on racial resentment. The fact that the Stock Ownership was reported in her federal disclosure requirement forms shows just how truly conflicted she really is for actually reporting what she's supposed to report. Unlike Paul Ryan who had to amend his tax returns after being vetted by the Romney campaign and having to pay additional taxes for some income he and his wife conveniently happened to forget.
genna
(1,945 posts)Seems apt for this State Department and Republican angst right now.
The commenters over there had nerve to throw Israel in the mix because they don't think Rice will be sufficiently subservient/submissive/ or some other vile woman down language.
macwriter
(172 posts)I remember when Hillary was "shrill," "polarizing," and "cold." Now, Republicans fall all over themselves to praise her -- at least for now. This is all about lashing back at Obama for having the nerve to be reelected.
genna
(1,945 posts)They are already trying to set up the Democratic primary so other Democrats won't think they can beat her nomination because Obama was a flash in the pan.
I bet they won't have to do any massive opposition research for either Bill or Hillary Clinton.
genna
(1,945 posts)
Susan is a total team player, and that's frustrating for journalistsshe's not giving the inside story, notes Samantha Power, who among other duties is Rices point person on the National Security Council. If her view doesn't prevail, she doesn't go and litigate it in The New York Times."
Another colleague, who asked not to be named, says Rice has some connections in the media, but they are mostly focused on Africa and the African-American media. This colleague adds: You have to keep in mind that compared to someone like Hillary, she doesnt have these networks in Washington.
As for Rices famously sharp tongue, Susan is tough minded, but she's not alone in having that kind of personality, says the colleague. One of the things that attracts people to Susan is her passion on the issues. She is genuinely passionate, but I don't mean hotheaded."
If Rice is not especially popular at the U.N., its largely because many of her fellow ambassadors are "old white men with strong personalities" and "it is off-putting to them that she's a young African-American woman."
Power, one of Rices colleagues at the White House and U.N. Mission who were encouraged to speak to The Daily Beast, attributes much of the trash-talking to institutional inertia and defensiveness.
There's a status quo bias across the system, and Susan is not a champion of the status quo if people are hurting, Power says. She's always willing to take a tool out of the toolbox and challenge assumptions and not let conventional wisdom cause us to drift from one meeting to the next. She shakes things up, for sure, but she's also phenomenal at building alliances and cultivating relationships She's not snobby about who she engages with. If there's something she thinks needs doing in the world, she will find the person who is the doer."
Power adds: Susan brings a very distinct perspective and very assertive presence and voice. She's going to ruffle feathers.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Holds a lot of weight with me. . .
And adding - they are using every stereotype of black women they can. That makes me jut my chin out more - and it ought to make her jut her chin out more too.
genna
(1,945 posts)Susan Rice seems to have decided to give those who are throwing elbows equal and straight forward elbows back so they'd stay out of her way.
They've decided to come forward and try to cripple her before she comes out of the gate.
She should continue using her strategy.
Obama's strategy does not appeal to everybody.
PoliticalBiker
(328 posts)They can't tag her on policy, so they attack personally.
Typical repubicrap credo - if nothing else sticks, attack the person
Fucking losers!
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)UPPITY!!!!!!!
Sheeit. She has the trifecta going on:
1: She's a FUCKING WOMAN
2:She's FUCKING BLACK!!!!!
3: She's FUCKING EDUCATED!!!
I hate these dried up old men and their worthless souls, empty, wrinkled and useless as their ballsacks.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Cha
(297,314 posts)Mediawhore Plutocratic Press.. That Press?
Euphoria
(448 posts)Petreaus, the real problem.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)Why on earth would any of us give the slightest credence to anything coming from the GOP? The fact that they are dead set against her -- long before she's even nominated -- tells me a lot more about the festering pile of pus that is the GOP than it tells me about her.
Azathoth
(4,610 posts)When the partisan sharks start circling a Washington veteran like Hillary or Panetta, an entire army of named and unnamed supporters reliably emerges from the woodwork to push back and sing their praises. They do it out of professional respect and personal loyalty and because they owe favors or want to further their own careers. But I'm just not seeing that happen with Rice, despite the fact that she's been in Washington since the Clinton era and apparently has had time to fill a rolodex full of enemies.
I'm getting the feeling the dissatisfaction with Rice goes a lot deeper than partisan maneuvering.
LadyBirdJohnson
(17 posts)I agree with your assessment. I believe inside the beltway they want Senator Kerry as our top diplomat, maybe because they believe he got a raw deal in 2004, maybe because he is a true American patriot and hero and he deserve this post, maybe they already have a "very good" replacement for Senator Kerry in MA.