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OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 10:48 PM Nov 2016

Donald Trump Is the Result of White Rage, Not Economic Anxiety

http://time.com/4573307/donald-trump-white-rage/?xid=time_socialflow_twitter

Obama's election was a major trigger for the policy backlash that led to Donald Trump

White rage got us here. While the economic anxiety of Trump supporters is often touted as the driving force behind the mogul’s electoral college victory, that rationale is just a ruse, a clever red herring. The median income of a Trump supporter is more than $70,000 per year, which is well above the national average, and a 2016 study noted that it would take African Americans 228 years to equal the wealth of whites in the United States. Clearly, Trump’s pathway into the Oval Office is not really about white economic angst. Rather, Barack Obama’s election—and its powerful symbolism of black advancement—was the major trigger for the policy backlash that led to Donald Trump, and which has now put America’s national security at risk.

Republicans carved out this trench shortly after Obama’s 2008 victory. The GOP pushed through a number of laws at the state level to block as many of his voters, primarily African-Americans, from the polls as possible. North Carolina targeted black voters with nearly “surgical precision.” Wisconsin Republicans were “giddy” about disfranchising African Americans, especially in Milwaukee. Florida’s GOP cut particular days of early voting to nullify the political participation of black churchgoers. Texas required certain types of government-issued photo IDs to vote and then ensured that nearly 1.6 million black and Latino citizens would have very limited access. Ohio skewed its early voting laws to diminish the turnout in the cities while also implementing a literacy test that officials applied only to those in urban counties.

rest at the above link....

AND SANDERs WOULD NOT HAVE WON. Probably would have less votes actually.
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Donald Trump Is the Result of White Rage, Not Economic Anxiety (Original Post) OKNancy Nov 2016 OP
And the 41% who did not bother to vote? guillaumeb Nov 2016 #1
Has there ever been 100% turnout Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2016 #3
Of course not. But the fact that this many registered voters did not vote guillaumeb Nov 2016 #7
Indeed Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2016 #11
Agreed. Michigan and Wisconsin targeted minority voters for removal from voter rolls. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #12
How many impediments to voting do you think are in all these rural areas? And how long the lines? bullimiami Nov 2016 #20
What's your point? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2016 #22
my point is its easy to vote in rural areas and hard to vote in cities. by design. bullimiami Nov 2016 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2016 #37
In Mn, over 70% of the electorate votes BainsBane Nov 2016 #16
Nice points. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #50
Which means citizens bought into the negative dirty bullshit Trunmp spouted every day for 18 months TeamPooka Nov 2016 #28
You can thank the NEWS media for endlessly promoting this idiot duffyduff Nov 2016 #45
Yes they did. The GOP spends billions on negative advertising because it does work. eom guillaumeb Nov 2016 #51
Get what they deserve in a Trump Presidency. leftofcool Nov 2016 #4
Unfortunately we also will get much the same. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #8
Yes, we should write them off. duffyduff Nov 2016 #47
That's kind of surprising. ucrdem Nov 2016 #13
I provided a link here: guillaumeb Nov 2016 #14
Thanks, yes that's what I'm referring to. ucrdem Nov 2016 #17
Its absurd that someone who voted for Trump would tell an exit poll they voted for Hillary. bullimiami Nov 2016 #21
The "Bradley effect" in action? guillaumeb Nov 2016 #48
No reason to care about people that apathetic treestar Nov 2016 #41
It does seem that way. Or they truly believe that there is no substantive difference guillaumeb Nov 2016 #49
Tend to agree Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2016 #2
Ohioans, Tired of Status Quo, Flipped to Trump for Change. elleng Nov 2016 #5
Hey, wait. Wilms Nov 2016 #18
You got it! elleng Nov 2016 #19
In PA, Obama beat McCain in 2008 by over 10%... SMC22307 Nov 2016 #26
Exactly. elleng Nov 2016 #27
makes no sense. the black guy won in those states. n/t SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2016 #35
voter suppression ain't going away soon. how to reject neo-nazi's if they rig the system? n/t SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2016 #36
and what a change they got DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #56
I tend to believe this was mix of both... yes white nationalist agenda did resonate to this section MyNameIsKhan Nov 2016 #6
I agree with this post.. northoftheborder Nov 2016 #9
another article on the exact same subject OKNancy Nov 2016 #10
No doubt about it. ucrdem Nov 2016 #15
That is because these Trump white dudes are stupid duffyduff Nov 2016 #25
Sexism is far more a factor than racism. If race had been an issue, Obama would duffyduff Nov 2016 #23
I know Bernie woulda won big. ErikJ Nov 2016 #29
You guys keep making the same whack argument. Truth is, your anecdotes aside, you DO NOT "know..... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2016 #38
It's not one or the other imo. It's both racism and economic anxiety. hedda_foil Nov 2016 #30
Many of these white voters voted for Obama, not once, but twice. B Calm Nov 2016 #31
Exactly. And against two Republicans less disliked and mistruted than Trump Tom Rinaldo Nov 2016 #43
Actually, they did not. Romney won the White vote by a bigger margin than Reagan did in'84. Yavin4 Nov 2016 #53
I still think it was a coup world wide wally Nov 2016 #32
The FBI leadership cadre are enemies of the people. - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2016 #42
It was. nt JTFrog Nov 2016 #57
K & R SunSeeker Nov 2016 #33
Only true thing donald ever said, the election is rigged. mountain grammy Nov 2016 #34
Projecting again. world wide wally Nov 2016 #44
One wonders how much the Obama admin. tried to intercede. callous taoboy Nov 2016 #39
Perfect storm. tavernier Nov 2016 #40
4.9% unemployment rate. It's hard to think this equates to economic insecurity. randome Nov 2016 #46
This paragraph from the article says it all. muntrv Nov 2016 #52
This article was spot on. Yavin4 Nov 2016 #54
Add a little Salon, Nation, Amy, etc. oh, don't forget Cornell West phallon Nov 2016 #55

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
1. And the 41% who did not bother to vote?
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 10:51 PM
Nov 2016

Some undoubtedly were the victims of suppression and deliberate disenfranchisement, but not 41% of the electorate.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
7. Of course not. But the fact that this many registered voters did not vote
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 10:59 PM
Nov 2016

might indicate a lack of enthusiasm for both platforms.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,256 posts)
11. Indeed
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 11:03 PM
Nov 2016

Still I'd like to know how many states which we lost (those that voted for Obama the last time) had to deal with long lines, fewer polling places and voter ID laws.

Truth is I think the loss was a confluence of multiple things.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
12. Agreed. Michigan and Wisconsin targeted minority voters for removal from voter rolls.
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 11:05 PM
Nov 2016

Both states are also controlled by the GOP, making the Democratic Party decision to take these states for granted a very costly decision.

Blame the Robert's SCOTUS also for gutting the VRA.

Response to bullimiami (Reply #24)

BainsBane

(53,072 posts)
16. In Mn, over 70% of the electorate votes
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 11:14 PM
Nov 2016

because we make it easy to do so. We want people to vote. We have same-day voter registration. We defeated an amendment for voter ID, and they have now implemented widespread early voting and no-excuses absentee voting. Turnout was down slightly, but not in Minneapolis/Hennepin County, while it was up in some of the rural regions.

Voter turnout could be that high nationwide if states actually wanted people to vote rather than working to suppress it. Clinton proposed automatic registration at age 18, but then she was defeated.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
50. Nice points.
Thu Nov 17, 2016, 10:56 AM
Nov 2016

The GOP treats voting as a suspicious activity, the Democrats treat it as an inalienable right.

TeamPooka

(24,259 posts)
28. Which means citizens bought into the negative dirty bullshit Trunmp spouted every day for 18 months
Thu Nov 17, 2016, 12:52 AM
Nov 2016
 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
45. You can thank the NEWS media for endlessly promoting this idiot
Thu Nov 17, 2016, 10:47 AM
Nov 2016

that fellow idiots identified with.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
47. Yes, we should write them off.
Thu Nov 17, 2016, 10:50 AM
Nov 2016

I have said they cannot be reached because of years of a mindset that was instilled in them from the time they were children. Their beliefs were further hardened because of hate radio and "news" outlets like Fox. They can't change. They keep voting against their self-interests time after time after time.

They haven't been "one of us" in the Democratic Party since the 1960s.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
13. That's kind of surprising.
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 11:06 PM
Nov 2016

More people than ever voted early this time, and the polls were crowded with long lines in some cases, speaking personally and from accounts of friends in CA and MA. Hmm..

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
14. I provided a link here:
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 11:09 PM
Nov 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512609726

And undoubtedly a certain number of early voters voted for Trump. And perhaps a significant number of early voters lied to exit pollsters about who they voted for.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
17. Thanks, yes that's what I'm referring to.
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 11:16 PM
Nov 2016

Factoring in early voting which was widely reported in the weeks before election day I'd have thought the turnout would be on the high end. And when you think about the actual numbers, even if 58.6% is accurate, 134,562,600 is still a huge number of ballots.

bullimiami

(13,105 posts)
21. Its absurd that someone who voted for Trump would tell an exit poll they voted for Hillary.
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 11:54 PM
Nov 2016

Either the exit poll methodology is way out of line or the actual ballots are not what the tabulators resulted.

I wish some exit polling org would hand recount some locations to verify the count.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
48. The "Bradley effect" in action?
Thu Nov 17, 2016, 10:53 AM
Nov 2016

We also have to consider the effects that voter suppression and possible voting machine tampering had.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
41. No reason to care about people that apathetic
Thu Nov 17, 2016, 09:34 AM
Nov 2016

It seems there is nothing that will get them to care.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
49. It does seem that way. Or they truly believe that there is no substantive difference
Thu Nov 17, 2016, 10:54 AM
Nov 2016

between the two parties. And some might be in solid red or blue states.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,256 posts)
2. Tend to agree
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 10:51 PM
Nov 2016

Not all Trump voters were racists. They just weren't disturbed about voting for one. White privilege at its finest.

BTW I'm a 59 year old white guy.

elleng

(131,163 posts)
5. Ohioans, Tired of Status Quo, Flipped to Trump for Change.
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 10:53 PM
Nov 2016

*The seeds of the biggest upset in American politics in recent memory were sewn here, in the Midwest, where decades of economic decay largely ignored by Democrats came back to haunt Mrs. Clinton. Mr. Trump’s populist economic message electrified blue-collar workers in ways that those of previous Republican candidates had not.'

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/13/us/politics/ohioans-tired-of-status-quo-flipped-to-trump-for-change.html

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
26. In PA, Obama beat McCain in 2008 by over 10%...
Thu Nov 17, 2016, 12:16 AM
Nov 2016

and in 2012, Romney by over 5%. In 2016, however, Pennsylvanians are racists. DUers need to spend some time researching Rust Belt decay. And let us know what their big plan is for 2020, especially if Trump manages to push through a massive infrastructure bill, employing God knows how many Americans. Democrats need the Rust Belt. Florida and NC sure didn't come through for us.

elleng

(131,163 posts)
27. Exactly.
Thu Nov 17, 2016, 12:21 AM
Nov 2016

While 'racism' undoubtedly plays a role, there's MUCH more to what's happened. and Dems sure as hell must get a handle on it. I'm glad to see that Senators Sanders and Warren have significant roles in the Senate and, presumably, within the party decisionmakers.

MyNameIsKhan

(2,205 posts)
6. I tend to believe this was mix of both... yes white nationalist agenda did resonate to this section
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 10:57 PM
Nov 2016

of voters... maybe that played more than economic anxiety, but then exit polls show this orange man even manage to to get 6% of AA votes and 29% Latino votes. We can say all polls were wrong as they showed HRC winning FL, MI, PA and WI.

I donot know what happened here, how can every one be wrong...

I even consider the possibility this is all a conspiracy

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
15. No doubt about it.
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 11:09 PM
Nov 2016

Truth be told, the economy is doing well, gas prices are down and unemployment is low. Michigan I can see but PA? No rational reason to go for the nutjob.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
25. That is because these Trump white dudes are stupid
Thu Nov 17, 2016, 12:05 AM
Nov 2016

They were too dim to realize they had been had by not just this huckster, but also by the media hucksters who promoted him 24/7.

And now some people around here are asking the DP to abandon their constituency to pander to people who cannot reason, who keep voting GOP time after time while voting against their own interests. I just shake my head.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
23. Sexism is far more a factor than racism. If race had been an issue, Obama would
Thu Nov 17, 2016, 12:00 AM
Nov 2016

never have been president.

Never underestimate the hatred many men, especially white dudes, have toward women.

In the end, though, entitled white dude rage had nothing to do with Trump. Media pimps like Jeff Zucker did, and the only honest appraisal of this election points to it being the only factor for Trump's rise and ultimate "win" of the EC.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
29. I know Bernie woulda won big.
Thu Nov 17, 2016, 01:02 AM
Nov 2016

I have a friend who was all pro Bernie, then voted for Trump cuz "Hillary was soo crooked" which is total BS. Her being a woman prob didnt help for him I'll bet.

THe GOP has been skillfully attacking and eroding Hillary credentials ever since she proposed Hillarycare in 1994. They even invented Obamacare as an alternative to HC which finally got used by Romney in Massachusetts in 2005. Then they went WILD with all the BS of Benghazi and then her emails.

They didnt really have anything on Bernie except he was a socialist. But that didnt bother him in the slightest. He was at least seen as honest which counted for a lot.

Never underestimate the long term Republican "Big Lie" propaganda machine.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,243 posts)
38. You guys keep making the same whack argument. Truth is, your anecdotes aside, you DO NOT "know.....
Thu Nov 17, 2016, 03:29 AM
Nov 2016

Bernie woulda won big". He couldn't win the primary. He got beat by 3.5 to 4 million votes. Further truth is that Hillary seems to be closing in on what may end up being a 1.5 million popular vote lead on Dump. You're an idiot if you think they had nothing on him. Do you think they were gonna just let him slide to victory, unscathed?

Tom Rinaldo

(22,917 posts)
43. Exactly. And against two Republicans less disliked and mistruted than Trump
Thu Nov 17, 2016, 10:34 AM
Nov 2016

Another candidate and/or a different kind of campaign and the Democrats could have won this time.

Yavin4

(35,446 posts)
53. Actually, they did not. Romney won the White vote by a bigger margin than Reagan did in'84.
Thu Nov 17, 2016, 12:23 PM
Nov 2016

It was Black and Latino turnout that won it for Obama.

world wide wally

(21,755 posts)
32. I still think it was a coup
Thu Nov 17, 2016, 01:30 AM
Nov 2016

Only Comey knows for sure.
Which reminds me….. when ever you are trying to calculate what the future might hold, don't forget to work in the FBI variable.

They must be up to something.

callous taoboy

(4,590 posts)
39. One wonders how much the Obama admin. tried to intercede.
Thu Nov 17, 2016, 06:07 AM
Nov 2016

They had to be aware and alarmed that this end-game was going on, right?

tavernier

(12,407 posts)
40. Perfect storm.
Thu Nov 17, 2016, 08:36 AM
Nov 2016

Racism, msm Trump 24/7 coverage, Comey, voter suppression, apathy.

I agree with article; economic anxiety was just a ruse.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
46. 4.9% unemployment rate. It's hard to think this equates to economic insecurity.
Thu Nov 17, 2016, 10:49 AM
Nov 2016

The only things associated with that are: 1) raising the minimum wage and 2) infrastructure spending.

Both are GOP obstruction targets.
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muntrv

(14,505 posts)
52. This paragraph from the article says it all.
Thu Nov 17, 2016, 11:26 AM
Nov 2016

"And, to be clear, it was not to make America great again, but to make access to America’s resources “whites only” again. The Klan recognized it, as did the white nationalists who gave Trump their full-throttled support. But, this wasn’t just a fantasy of the far right. The allure of a revived Jim Crow nation that proudly, willfully excludes and debases millions of nonwhites was so reaffirming and reassuring that everything else became secondary or tertiary. Everything else, including national security."

Yavin4

(35,446 posts)
54. This article was spot on.
Thu Nov 17, 2016, 12:53 PM
Nov 2016

We don't live in a blue vs. red world. We live in an Adaptable vs. Rigid world. People who can adapt to different religions, races, ethnic groups, etc. tend to do better economically and socially, whereas those who live in the rigid world are doing better politically.

phallon

(260 posts)
55. Add a little Salon, Nation, Amy, etc. oh, don't forget Cornell West
Thu Nov 17, 2016, 02:31 PM
Nov 2016

They all did a fine job of blowing up a coalition that MLK and Harvey Milk helped forge.

Thanks for all the false equivalency. Especially you Cornell, with your HBO crocodile tears rant against HRC as being personally responsible for the sodomy of a Libyan dictator.

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