2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum"Owning Our Shit" (warning, lots of salty language).
An epic rant with lots to be offended by. So don't read it if you can't handle criticism.
Ive got one major thing to say to you. HILLARY CLINTON DID NOT FAIL US, WE FAILED HILLARY CLINTON. Now I know, I know, she won the popular vote by almost two million votes, and I know that a lot of you were a part of that so yay go ahead and pat yourselves on the back. You done? Okay. You say she was flawed? Yall motherfuckers didnt DESERVE the candidate you got, and every day I watched as progressives posted on Facebook about how much they hated corrupt Clinton, talked about how imperfect she was as a candidate, posted articles that were flat out lies, or wrote things like #ImWithHerIGuess. Your enthusiasm for the former First Lady, Senator of New York, Secretary of State and first ever possible female President was shameful when you compare it to the enthusiasm the other side had for their flawed (racist homophobic tax evading possible rapist who has to make his undocumented Mexican maids wash the orange out of his bedsheets every fucking morning) candidate. If you would have just swallowed your pride and given Hillary half of the love you gave Obama, then we might not have woken up on November 9th worrying about families being torn apart, marriage licenses being taken way, guns getting into the wrong hands and women having to stay pregnant after getting raped. Does that sound too harsh? Too bad! This reality show is now our reality and we need to accept it and own our shit. We stepped in it and now its going to take at least four years to clean it off.
And to you people out there saying Dont blame me, I voted for Bernie- suck a dick. Oh noooo- Im so sorry you didnt like Hillary. Thats so saaaad! I guess thats worth this result. Your I told you so is so worth the millions of people who will suffer because of selfishness and pride. We all act like our nominee has to be the perfect representation of us regardless of how many years theyve spent working tirelessly for the people. I didnt give a shit about John Kerry, but I voted for the rest of my country. Every candidate has an email/Swift boat Veteran/Born in Kenya/Benghazi/Reverend Wright/Gennifer Flowers bullshit scandal that gets played over and over again, and for some reason we thought Hillarys private email server (WTF is even a server?) was more damaging than Trump ADMITTING TO SEXUAL ASSAULT AND CALLING MEXICANS RAPISTS. Whos talking about those damn emails now? NO ONE. Think about how the world must perceive us.
Who the fuck said you had to LIKE your nominee anyway? Guess what? There has always been and will always be at least half the people in the country who hate a Presidential nominee! This kind of thinking started with the whole who would you want to get a beer with bullshit from the Bush/Gore era and now its just gotten out of control. We didnt always have primaries. Our parties used to pick our nominees for us. We had to deal with our choices. Now we get angry and picky if someone doesnt meet every single criterion that we have created or if we dont trust them because their positions evolved in a more progressive way over the years. If I had to talk to one more gay person about how Hillary wasnt always for same sex marriage I was going to start having sex with women. Oh really? She wasnt for gay marriage? WHY WERE YOU SO SUPPORTIVE OF OBAMA IF THAT WAS YOUR MAIN REASON FOR NOT LIKING HER??? AHHHHHH! Is it because shes a woman and it reminded you of your own mother when she didnt fully accept you as gay? We found a way to forgive our mothers who raised us, but we couldnt find it in our hearts to forgive someone of no relation who evolved in their beliefs and ended up speaking on behalf of the LGBT and providing AIDS medication to people all over the world? I swear I saw more gay people posting about Hillary hating LGBT than articles about Mike Pence believing in electro shock gay conversion therapy for children, or the fact that in Indiana you can get put in jail and fined 10,000 just for applying for a marriage license if you werent a man and a woman. So what did we do? Weve given a billionaire who hasnt paid taxes the most power of ANY PRESIDENT SINCE THE 40s. Its like weve given a plumber permission to do open heart surgery on our kids. Its because of us that one of the best Presidents this country has ever seen actually had to shake the hand of a man who was blatantly racist towards him and tried to get him out of office. Shame on us.
To the protest voters (whether you voted or not) I hope you are proud of yourself for being right while others continue to struggle and lose their rights and healthcare. We are in such a place of privilege to pick and choose what we like in a candidate when people died just to have the right to vote. Im so over all the self righteousness. Bernie himself begged his followers to do the right thing, but we were too selfish to come out and support our nominee. Did you know that 11,000 people wrote in Harambe for President? Does that make you angry? It should. It should also make you angry that progressives voted for candidates like Jill Stein and Gary Johnson WHO DID NOT HAVE THE PROGRESSIVE POSITIONS THAT BERNIE HAD. These people werent able to put themselves in the shoes of a mother who lost her Black child to a bad cop, or the shoes of someone who lost their best friend in Orlando. How quickly we forget.
And to those of you that say Bernie would have won? Suck two dicks. We look back and say that the Democrats should have focused their campaign on the white middle class and criticize Hillary for focusing on racial and gender equality. FUCK YOU!!! I am sick and tired of people making the white middle class the biggest victims in this election. Oh the Caucacity of it all! The real victims are the Black and Latino kids out there living in a trailer park eating canned food for the 4th day in a week. That was me. I know how it feels. Im sorry, Becky, for hurting your white feelings and for being upset by your privilege, but your pain and guilt are a small price to pay for the millions out there who are struggling in this country. And we are thankful to you for trying to help- that goes without saying. White people lost limbs and lives fighting against slavery, but they knew it was caused by them and probably didnt complain when they received criticism. If they can accept that, Im sure you can handle when people point out inequality and racism amongst white people in general.
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BainsBane
(53,072 posts)She did all of this and we still called her unlikable and untrustworthy. We called her out for saying that people in gangs were super predators twenty years ago, and then when she apologized and went into Black communities we said that she was pandering. Beyoncé sings about carrying hot sauce in her bag and we attack Hillary for saying she does the same thing even though there was proof that she had done it for years! We beat her up every single time and she fought back till she became an ugly callus that we didnt like looking at. We poked at every flaw of hers and refused to see any of the good she did over her 30+ years of public service. We wouldnt let her get away with a single mistake. And yet we chose Trump. A monster who was also created by the ugliest in us. We and the media made excuses for his hatred because it was entertaining. We didnt take him seriously. And now, I cringe as I watch CNN and they praise Trump for acting mature and respectful in the home of the motherfuckin President of the United States.
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)Can you fix that? I'd like to go to the article, If I may!
Thanks!
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)handmade34
(22,758 posts)salty language and all!!
BainsBane
(53,072 posts)and all the more relevant given that the jackholes have returned to celebrate their election victory.
DU was bearable for about a day. This is a breath of fresh air!!
BainsBane
(53,072 posts)Let's see if I get a response.
LisaM
(27,840 posts)I am trying to keep an even keel on Facebook, so I come here and it's this incessant railing again.
BainsBane
(53,072 posts)Like pansuit nation or Donald Trump is not my president. They are very supportive.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Two of the most experienced, qualified presidential candidates ever!
And look what we did.
I used to think we were the smart ones.
TrekLuver
(2,573 posts)MineralMan
(146,333 posts)Donald Trump. No more needs to be said.
Scruffy1
(3,257 posts)having seriously studied American history there is no precedent for this one.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)Hekate
(90,837 posts)Paladin
(28,276 posts)beaglelover
(3,495 posts)LOL I happen to LOVE sucking dick, but then again, I'm a gay man. LOL.
BainsBane
(53,072 posts)OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)Blaming voters will NEVER get those voters to come out and vote for Dems. The Party is responsible for putting up the best candidates possible and running the best campaigns possible. Did we? I think the results say we did not.
Dems can engage in introspection and self-examination, and then improve what needs to be improved. Or we can sit around and yell and scream at the people who didn't come out and vote for Hillary.
Which do you think will be more effective?
To me, it's not even close.
BainsBane
(53,072 posts)and never again a woman or black man because that's just too damn "establishment." Gotcha.
Here's a newsflash. When so called "progressives" work round the clock to defeat the Democrat, they sometimes get what they work so hard for: fascism. Congrats to them.
OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)But I guess sarcasm makes you feel better.
You do know there are not only two choices for candidates, right? This country has over 300 million people in it. i think your thinking may be just a bit narrow when looking for candidates. Your post also exhibits exactly what I was talking about: blaming others rather than examining what we did wrong.
BainsBane
(53,072 posts)That's who voters chose out of the 300,000 million possibilities. And the White Supremacist and Sexual Predator won. And the fact is all the bullshit about establishment Dems was absolutely about race and gender. Racism restricted access to franchise in key states. Among the things Democrats do wrong is their obsessive focus on individuals for the presidency rather than working for control at the state level, which results in control of redistricting and control of elections, including voter disenfranchisement. Trump's margin of victory in WI was about 25k but 300k were denied the vote because of ID laws. When states keep people of color from voting, they can't vote. Than we hear white men going on about how Democrats need to focus on first-class votes instead of the inferior votes of women and people of color who actually compromise the vast majority of the Democratic electorate.
Right now I'm fucking pissed off, and I will damn well express it. I get to grieve.
ismnotwasm
(42,014 posts)Or RW religious influences, such as one issue voters who what abortion to be illegal? Fuck yes I blame those people.
OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)It's about being constructive. Labeling and blaming doesn't build Democratic power for 2018. All it does it absolve the party of the mistakes it made and prevent us from seeing our own faults and improving for the future. That's a recipe for another repeat of this catastrophe in the future.
OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)That's what primaries are for. And we have a choice of what our message is. That's what the convention is for.
If we don't nominate HRC, our other choice is not a racist, misogynist, whatever. It's whoever we want. Your view that the only choice that we can put up is a Trump clone is not particularly thoughtful. Instead, we should examine what we did and see what we can do better. Or we can insult the people who didn't vote the way we wanted. I'm suggesting the former is more useful than the latter.
I never said you couldn't grieve, where did I say that? And what "white men" are telling you to focus on "first class votes"? I'm not clear what you're implying. Or whether you are equating grieving with blaming voters? Are you even reading what I'm writing?
BainsBane
(53,072 posts)That is what they wanted. That was obviously the ticket to winning the electoral college. Racism and sexism are central to our national ethos. This election established that. The rise in hate crime since election day make that clear.
What white men? Bernie Sanders and a number of his supporters, some of whom won't even vote for a Democrat. It's all over this site.
People can vote GOP or third party all they want, but that means they have no fucking say in the future of a party they are not part of.
I will repeat. The fixation on individuals above anything else and the presidency in particular to the exclusion of how power is allocated in this country is a way to ensure continued defeat. Presidential candidates are elected. Your lecturing me and telling me that what I'm allowed to feel and say does absolutely nothing to affect that. I will say whatever the fuck I want to, and no one is forcing you to read it.
pennylane100
(3,425 posts)Yes, the holdouts from the Bernie campaign who did not immediately get behind Hillary do not understand that party loyalty is a must when dealing with the Orange Monster from hell. I was a strong supporter of Bernie but I did not for one moment think that there were any option other Hillary. She is a good person and would make a great leader.
However, I still think there is more in play here. I become more convinced every day that her campaign was hijacked. I think that somehow, the election was rigged. The russian hack of the DNC ended up in the hands of the Trump campaign. The exit polling did not support the final vote and every reputable polling company gave her overwhelming odds to win.
The noise from the first rumors about these crimes seem to be getting louder and I hope that they will soon be the only subject people care about. At least, I really hope so.
BainsBane
(53,072 posts)I guess I need to see evidence.
Ligyron
(7,639 posts)She didn't lose by much, in fact, as we all know: she won the popular vote.
It was just a few votes in just the right places. Very curious.
My guess is this was a bigger factor than some juvenile BernieBros or a country full of misogynistic racists about which we can do absolutely nothing.
and something tells me the Roves, Stones and Bannons of the RW hate machine love when we fight among ourselves. Strange how they've been getting just what they wish for lately - almost by design.
TrekLuver
(2,573 posts)I thought our conventions outshone with rays of light the dark scary hell hole of the Pub convention. Our message was better regardless of the messenger. Maybe we should be asking why did Trump win rather than why Clinton lost?
OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)And the platform was perfect. Obviously our great electoral success nationwide shows that we have nothing to change and no lessons to learn. At all. I stand corrected.
world wide wally
(21,755 posts)"And we have a choice of who we put up in the general"
So why didn't everyone go out and vote and work for her?
Does democracy only go "so far" and then if we don't get exactly what we wanted, we give it all away?
That's exactly what we did.
How did that purist thing work out for ya?
OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)"How did that purist thing work out for ya?" What does that even mean?
Did you mean to respond to someone else who claimed that democracy only goes "so far" ? Because I never made that claim.
world wide wally
(21,755 posts)because they felt she was not progressively pure or actually for any other reason too.
You see what we ended up with.
OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)Screaming at people that you don't think worked hard enough on the election won't change the future. And besides, I think it is hard to tell via DU posts just how hard somebody worked.
Plus, we live in a democracy (a democratic republic is a form of democratic government, exhibiting the principles of democratic rule, just in case you plan on arguing the point). There have always been and will always be people who write in candidates and vote for third party candidates, as is their RIGHT. That's what living in democracy means. They way to get them to change their minds is to offer a better product, not to demean them.
Likewise, there will always be those who don't vote. We can blame them, or we can offer them a better product and encourage them to vote.
I prefer the productive option. The blaming won't make us a better party.
world wide wally
(21,755 posts)I don't see much of a future in arguing about it. You voted for who you voted for.
End of story
End of lots of things
OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)The beginning of a lot of things. Like the 2018 elections. But if your approach is let's just tell ignore all the people who didn't pass my litmus test of working hard enough, or who voted for Trump, or who voted for Stein, or who didn't vote at all and let's run the exact same campaign we did in 2016 because we have nothing to learn, then good luck to you. I'll be over here being productive.
BainsBane
(53,072 posts)The Democratic party does have work to do. But those who voted for anyone but Clinton are not part of that "we." They are not Democrats. They are the Vichy collaborating with the fascists. I know. We aren't supposed to blame the Germans who enabled Hitler. Fault lies entirely with the parties that couldn't win the support Hitler got. What followed was all their fault, not the people who enabled it and helped the Nazis send millions to death camps. The fault instead lies with the losers who couldn't figure out how to out hate Hitler. America had a chance to stand up to fascism. Too damn many chose to promote or enable it instead. Yes, I blame them. They deserve it, all the more the case if they claim to be Democrats or "progressives" but didn't have the decency to stand up for the basic values at stake in this election. They instead stood up for what they truly wanted, and they got it. I hope they enjoy every last Muslim registry, internment camp, corporate deregulation, and death from lack of health insurance that they voted for. Fascism is as fascism does.
OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)In the same post, you call people who didn't vote for Clinton (which would include those who voted for socialist and communist candidates) "the Vichy collaborating with the fascists," apparently for no other reason than their vote. Then you say "Fascism is as fascism does." Well communism is the opposite of fascism, and I don't know any communists who "do" fascism. In fact, communists were killed in the death camps in your example. They were not the cause of the rise of fascism, and they fought it all the way. Your post makes leaps of logic that would make Gabby Douglas envy. Breathe.
world wide wally
(21,755 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(175,752 posts)And no one can tell me how I should feel. That's up to me, and no one else.
I will whine about the election as long as I damn well please!
Anyway, your post said it well.
BainsBane
(53,072 posts)I will too!
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Period.
I feel no need to kiss their ass for whatever reason they didn't.
They own this as much as the ones who voted for Trump.
I also don't give a flying fuck if it doesn't get their votes.
If they couldn't come out and support the one who didn't mock the disabled, insult women, insult immigrants, and regularly make racist remarks.. fuck them and i don't give a rats ass what their reasons were, and I don't give a fuck if the party doesn't kiss their asses, and i don't give a fuck if it costs us their future vote because it upsets their delicate sensibilities.
Those are the ones who damn well deserve the government we got, and every shitty thing that will come with it.
prayin4rain
(2,065 posts)dhill926
(16,364 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,014 posts)Loved every word
boston bean
(36,223 posts)LisaM
(27,840 posts)This just says it all.
mountain grammy
(26,656 posts)all I can say..
oasis
(49,410 posts)Maven
(10,533 posts)K/R
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)jimlup
(7,968 posts)I mean I think there are other factors at play and if we ignore them we are in peril of ceasing to be a viable party.
But go ahead and limit your thinking and say vile things about anyone who differs from your analysis. That is always a healthy way to fully understand a complex and serious situation.
Count on the DU juries for protection I guess. I assume the election rules are now over so I'll say it and see what happens.
Hillary was a weak candidate and Bernie would have been a better choice against Trump.
BainsBane
(53,072 posts)and you have no evidence to support it. Moreover, 3.8 million more voters voted for Clinton in the primary than Sanders. He was unable to win the Democratic base. The basic fact is that if someone can't win a primary, they obviously can't win a general election. He couldn't win a majority of Democrats in all but a couple of states, and as much as you think our votes unimportant, we still get to exercise them how we want. No one wins election as a Democrat without a majority of women and people of color. Bernie couldn't manage that--with good reason.
Eichenwald already addressed your Bernie would have won fantasy. http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044
The best you can say is he might have won. To claim prescience for an alternative reality is absurd.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)wrong - it was called November 8th, 2016. FYI I voted for Clinton in Michigan. I knew damn well my vote was important.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html
She arrogantly ignored the rust belt problem and lost. It was a "change" election and unfortunately, she didn't represent change. Bernie did... I have no reason to put value in the words of pundits who are there primarily to establish and direction opinion as well as shore up the weaknesses in the established opinion. The pundits were wrong about November 8th.
Obviously the experiment can never be done but Trump had weakness too. They ended up being trumped by Hillary's. (Yes, I'm sorry for the horrible pun.)
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,858 posts)... as a "Negative Nancy" for predicting doom in the Rust Belt states.
Would Bernie have done better? Maybe, maybe not. He was polling much better than Hillary against Trump back in May, but that could be partly due to him not being as much of a victim of the right-wing propaganda machine, though, and those wicked creatures would've surely found a plethora of ways to attack him too.
I personally wish Elizabeth Warren would've ran, but I was pleased by Hillary overall. I figured that she'd win and then have the strength to stand up to the Republican attack machine since she's been subjected to it for so long, so that was a big plus in my opinion. I didn't even vote in the primary this time because I liked Bernie's progressive message, but also Hillary's toughness.
I'll admit that I voted for Obama over Clinton in 2008, though, because he didn't seem to have the established "hate baggage" that was attached unfairly to her because of Bill's infidelities and the like. Not to mention the Spanish Inquisition-level investigations of them in the past! Some people assume "where there's smoke, there's fire", but they seem to overlook that it was Republicans creating the smoke in the first place!
BainsBane
(53,072 posts)Because Clinton lost doesn't mean Bernie would have won. Yes, he prioritizes white male votes, but Democrats can't win without the voters of color that did not support him in the primary. During the primary, Bernie had no turn out operation to encourage marginalized people to vote. In fact, Weaver called grassroots organizing for GOTV "machine politics." That tells me they wouldn't have done it in the general. Because Democratic voters are poorer, it takes considerable effort to get them to the polls. Bernie and Weaver were philosophically opposed to that. They instead devoted resources to a huge amount of corporate media buys. That tells me they would have been extremely unlikely to win.
Now I get that Bernie and a number his supporters think votes from groups that traditionally vote Republican matter more than than Democratic voters, whom he disparaged a number of times in his campaign. I disagree, and that attitude was one reason that he would have had a difficult time attracting the principal Democratic voter groups, like African Americans. His voting record on immigration is also highly problematic.
Then there is the fact that the same voter restrictions that limited the franchise would have been in place regardless of the mandate, and those states proved determinative in this election. He would have also carried the party label of the incumbent president, which I should not have to remind you is an extremely difficult bar to reach. Truman was the last Democrat elected in those circumstances. Bernie also had a 30 yr history in DC, has actually been in government longer than Clinton, which many don't realize since he doesn't approach her level of accomplishment. He's far from an outsider. He is rather a Senator who can count among his successes one Veterans bill and getting 2-3 post offices named. Then there is the fact the chasm between his rhetoric and record is great. He spent the primary condemning policies he had voted for. Now I understand some voters make a point of never looking at voting records, but the GOP would have pointed that out to them in ads.
The Opp file the GOP had on him is two feet thick. Clinton used NONE of it during the primary. While there is nothing particularly socialist about his ideas, he calls himself one. If you don't think that would have been a problem, you don't know what country you're living in. A large number of voters said in exit polls that they thought the government was too liberal for them.
It is entirely possible Trump would have won with an even greater margin of victory against Sanders.
That you assume that since Clinton lost Bernie would have won is entirely devoid of logic.
the dems wishful thinking didn't result our capturing the presidency on November 8th, 2016.
If we exclude dissenting voices our party will fail. I don't have the time to delve into analysis of the political situation full time but I did have time to read the Eichenwald article. In my opinion it was obfuscation and hot air not "fact." It is one opinion. Propaganda would be another way to characterize it. I would argue that it was not even good propaganda as I could poke holes in his arguments as he made them. If you happen to hold his views - fine. I don't hold his opinion. I hold a very different opinion.
Ignore me at the party's peril.
Amaril
(1,267 posts)So I actually know more Republicans here than I do Democrats, and more than a few have said that they would have voted for Sanders because they think Trump is a buffoon. To a one they said they could not bring themselves to vote for Clinton because of her negatives (and, yes, one even brought up Vince Foster). Some didn't vote at all while others voted for Trump.
This is, of course, just my small microcosm of the Universe, but it is what it is.
Ligyron
(7,639 posts)Biden springs to mind and I believe he could of ... no, let's make that would have won.
But he didn't run.
Why?
Same reason a lot of other D's like Martin O'Malley never put forth a serious effort. They wanted to clear the field for Hillary and a put up a united front against whoever the GOP came up with..
Didn't want any criticism or negative Hillary sound bites from fellow Dems during some primary fight to use against her during the GE. Plus, she was a formidable opponent.
So Bernie was the only one who tried.
Let's face it - Hillary and her political machine had been planning this run ever since her husband got out of office and except for an 8 year interruption courtesy of Barrack Obama, she was ready to go. She had deep ties and friends high up in Democratic places plus the DNC along with backing from the money guys in the corporate world and Wall street.
Too bad all that ended up largely being a negative.
She would have made a great President too.
That Butternut Turd (I like that title) totally ignored, no insulted POC and Hispanics and yet won the election anyway. Amazingly, the majority of women you say he can't do without actually voted for him in spite of his pussy grabbing misogyny.
TrekLuver
(2,573 posts)not why Clinton lost but why the hell did Trump win? He had dog whistles for whatever and whoever you hate. Not sure if Bernie could of Trumped that. They would of painted him as a tax raising socialist. The bright side is at least Bernie is still in the Senate and he can protect us there.
I think without the email scandal she would of been a much stronger candidate. But there is a lot of Clinton hate...I know from Republicans...even mainstream everyday Pub's...I had no idea about the hate from within the Democratic Party...I was pretty shocked about that...I figured everybody would be loyal to their party even though they may not be that crazy about the candidate who was running - who won the primary. Can you imagine if Bernie won the primary and Hillary supporters said oh fuck this I'm not voting for this guy I'll just sit this out or vote 3rd party and in turn you helped (maybe not caused but helped) hand the election over to the ROGUES GALLERY.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)Last edited Fri Nov 18, 2016, 09:03 AM - Edit history (1)
between good and evil, white victimizers took the vote from hundreds of thousands of POC through their ID laws and such. Then the victimizers have people saying they are the victims because their race is so downtrodden because of their privilege and ability to stick it to POC has been curtailed for a generation or two. Fuck Trump and all who distract in an effort to mislead people. Bernie gave less than a damn about POC. He is Jewish. You don't think Bannon would have made hay with that fact with the base that voted the trumfuhrer into office. GET REAL!!!!! Hillary at least would listen and talk at length with people of color. White women voted for the p****grabber in droves. Their adoring screams for their fuhrer reminded me of the frauleins screaming for the first fuhrer. Hillary was the most qualified candidate who would have won if the racist had not had their way with the electoral process and voting apparatus. Also the Supreme Court in gutting the Civil Rights Bill, limited the number of obervers from the federal level. Now we will get some more of these evil, cruel people making laws to make sure the white victims of multiculturalism are not victims any more of those bad immigrants, and POC who make people, who are victimizers, so uncomfortable. You are wrong. Period. The one you're responding to is right. Period. Take your diminishing of the racism of the new fuhrer and his 'advisors during this election cycle and the pain it has caused this election cycle and for at least the next 4 goddamn years and tell it to the 'usual suspects here and there looking for your words, they will eat it up. My Social Security and Medicare that I depend on is in danger because of voter suppression and fearful white people who are 50% of this racist population. We are fucked for generations and generations and distraction from racist sexist mysogyny that the RW machine represents does nothing but muddy the water to keep people comfortable and incubated from reality that women, POC, gay people, muslims, immigrants face every day. This has been the culmination of Nixon-Atwaters 'Southern Strategy'. Except this culmination was racism, sexism on steroids. The racists won. AmeriKKKa is great for trumpfuhrer whites again What BS you talk. No truth, just BS. Have a wonderful life under the New Nazi Party of AmeriKKKa and the new fuhrer.
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)forgive my omission. We must stand against this ever spreading evil being committed by trumpfuhrer hordes. We, me cannot be cowed by the cowards.
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)and his ilk want to take away, that we all honestly don't know where to start listing them, I think.
OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)Last edited Fri Nov 18, 2016, 06:14 PM - Edit history (1)
Too much blaming others here and not enough introspection about what we need to change.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)BainsBane
(53,072 posts)That's rich. The party includes people who vote Democrat, not the Vichy collaboration. The Jackholes and their ilk worked hard to install a fascist state, and they got exactly what they wanted. They are no more part of the current Democratic party than the Klan are. They can sit in their four bathroom houses and continue to celebrate the fallout of their electoral victory, including the repeal of the ACA program they so despise. They worked hard to make Trump president. They own this shit. Fascist is as fascist does.
boston bean
(36,223 posts)BainsBane
(53,072 posts)Thankfully.
boston bean
(36,223 posts)seaglass
(8,173 posts)SunSeeker
(51,728 posts)reflection
(6,286 posts)But then again most rants aren't.
I enjoy a good rant now and again, it is cathartic. And I definitely need a good catharsis after last Tuesday. Haven't felt that bad since 9/11. Still feels horrible.
Enjoyed reading it though, thanks for sharing.
BainsBane
(53,072 posts)but right now, catharsis means a lot.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)It hurts.
hamsterjill
(15,224 posts)The choice was clear.
Plus, Trump never tried to hide who or what he was either. Just a bunch of dumbasses who refused to see it.
This election was a turning point. The outcome was too vital for anyone to not have gotten behind Hillary.
We are screwed.
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)Agreed with this rant when I saw it a couple days ago, agree with your responses down thread to naysayers. LOVE what Marian Wright Edelman said when she introduced Hillary, as the PEOPLE'S President.
I will not sit by and just shut up and accept this, just as many of you won't.
byronius
(7,401 posts)joshdawg
(2,651 posts)Salty language is what was needed to get the point across.
I'm saddened by the fact I can only like your comment once.
K & R a million times. Thank you.
BainsBane
(53,072 posts)But it communicates well how I feel.
brer cat
(24,617 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)thank you. I had a person today tell me at least we know what we're getting with the trumpfuhrer. Hillary, we didn't know who she was, blah, blah, blah....and she shut her mouth when I said Hillary was super qualified, your fucking boy couldn't be a dog catcher in a sane country, yet he is now in control of 7+ billion people on this planet(nukes?) She said nothing else and I was very glad when I dropped her off....with a have a wonderful life....I hate say...she was AA. I just can't understand why POC voted for the new fuhrer who is going to put in the 'good negro' basket and patted on the head and sent on their way. I am still so angry and disgusted at these betrayers of what is decent and right. That decency being not voting for a racist, sexist, zenophobic sociopath who has unleashed his brownshirts on ameriKKKa.
BainsBane
(53,072 posts)I tend to think people are too swayed by disinformation.
ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)I have family who voted for trump - of course the most religious people in the family. They won't talk about it so I have no understanding as to why they voted for trump.
I'm pissed and I'm sad.
BainsBane
(53,072 posts)Are they Republicans or former Democrats? Independents?
ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)But we were raised to be the absolute opposite of racist. My mom and dad were republican till gwb. They both voted for President
Obama.
treestar
(82,383 posts)cilla4progress
(24,777 posts)radical noodle
(8,013 posts)Glad to see that it's getting some attention this time. It's worth the read.
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)herding cats
(19,568 posts)We're all equally screwed now. Even the protest voters who haven't caught on to the fact, yet.
This resonated with me from the article:
I'd like to add:
I have no time to listen to you brag about your protest vote currently, I'm too busy trying to protect the most vulnerable among us from the potential fallout of this election to give you more than a scornful glance at the moment. (In case you didn't get the memo; the US isn't the inclusive utopia you idealize it as.) I do promise to give it all the attention it's due in when election season opens again for 2018. And, then if you brag how you're too pure to vote for our Democratic candidates again, I will work my ass off to mitigate the potential damage you could inflict on this country in the future.