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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 09:43 AM Nov 2012

Grover Norquist warns Dems, GOP: The anti-tax pledge will hold


The anti-tax zealot says Republicans will not cave, and won't be fooled by Democrats into raising taxes

BY DAVID DALEY


Grover Norquist has a warning for anyone who thinks the influential anti-tax advocate has lost power in Washington.

“No one is caving,” the head of the Americans for Tax Reform told the Wall Street Journal, in a wide-ranging weekend interview.

Norquist — who built his power by getting hundreds of House Republicans and Congressional candidates to sign a pledge vowing to never raise taxes — has been perceived to be on the defensive since House Speaker John Boehner and even Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell suggested they would be open to new revenues in a compromise to avoid the so-called “fiscal cliff.”

In the weeks since the election, as talks centered around a compromise, fear of violating Norquist’s pledge appeared to diminish. But Norquist insists that the power dynamic has not changed, despite the re-election of President Obama and the apparent willingness of the GOP leadership to work with him to head off mandatory defense spending cuts and the expiration of the Bush tax cuts.

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http://www.salon.com/2012/11/24/grover_norquist_warns_dems_gop_the_anti_tax_pledge_will_hold/
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Grover Norquist warns Dems, GOP: The anti-tax pledge will hold (Original Post) DonViejo Nov 2012 OP
If Norquist has bothered to reply to the great unwashed masses he's in trouble lunatica Nov 2012 #1
I live for the day when Norquist is finally in the trash heap. TheCowsCameHome Nov 2012 #2
yes grover should join his better namesake... whistler162 Nov 2012 #22
Grover's Power Base Is Eroding--He Just Doesn't See It Vogon_Glory Nov 2012 #3
You John2 Nov 2012 #11
Most Cordially... dballance Nov 2012 #4
Grover=Dinosaur Tutonic Nov 2012 #5
no one is folding? hollysmom Nov 2012 #6
Grover's Cliff? think Nov 2012 #7
Hey Shithead Grover, SoapBox Nov 2012 #8
Then over the cliff we go................... Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2012 #9
Yeah, John2 Nov 2012 #20
That treasonous bastard has wrecked our infrastructure and left us naked to our enemies. aquart Nov 2012 #10
Grover, you are losing. You compromise, or taxes WILL increase more than you would like. tarheelsunc Nov 2012 #12
Yeah, obey Grover or he will send Karl Rove after your election LOL Coyotl Nov 2012 #13
I'm sure a lot of the rethugs who got their asses whipped in their congressional Texin Nov 2012 #14
Just like the Kardashians, I don't understand why anyone pays attention to Norquist Beaverhausen Nov 2012 #15
OMG what if a RepubliCON went back on his word!!?? rock Nov 2012 #16
Cue the Hitler in the bunker vid.... Wounded Bear Nov 2012 #17
I wonder how much teabilly support Grover would have Zorro Nov 2012 #18
Quite a few all ready know;... DonViejo Nov 2012 #30
only traitors signed the norquist pledge Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #19
Just think, it won't be too long before we see little Grover lying on the floor with hands and legs notadmblnd Nov 2012 #21
Only Samantha Bee Can Answer This WeekendWarrior Nov 2012 #23
And who died and made him king? Retrograde Nov 2012 #24
He got zero votes. CBHagman Nov 2012 #25
that has always been my question fizzgig Nov 2012 #32
The Bearded Turd hath spoken Blue Owl Nov 2012 #26
He also knows who ate the strawberries BeyondGeography Nov 2012 #27
What does Grover have on these people Drale Nov 2012 #28
They are probably scared that he will help fund challengers for their seats BuelahWitch Nov 2012 #35
He's just an enforcer. See my reply #37 below. nt tblue37 Nov 2012 #38
polaroid link HowHasItComeToThis Nov 2012 #29
Bush tax breaks WILL EXPIRE, so jump off the cliff Grover, America is done with YOU!! Sunlei Nov 2012 #31
hey Grover warrprayer Nov 2012 #33
I can't wait to see him cry when the tax cuts go bye. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #34
All I have to say is.. Third Doctor Nov 2012 #36
He's just an enforcer. The real power behind his threats is tblue37 Nov 2012 #37
Grover's attempt at relevance is now solely based on an antithesis to Sesame Street Characterization Sheepshank Nov 2012 #39
Is he a bag man for the country's "owners"? What's he got on these people, anyway. ancianita Nov 2012 #40
He has had his hand in every major moment of the Repub party of the last 30 years or so. Jennicut Nov 2012 #41
Yes, and the Americans have not reached Baghdad, Saddam has everything under control, Arkana Nov 2012 #42
Or what? Mz Pip Nov 2012 #43

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
1. If Norquist has bothered to reply to the great unwashed masses he's in trouble
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 09:47 AM
Nov 2012

As far as I know he's never felt the need before.

I take this as a hopeful sign of Norquist knowing he's losing his grip on power and is getting desperate to spin his message personally for a change. I smell the slightly nauseating stench of growing desperation.

Vogon_Glory

(9,131 posts)
3. Grover's Power Base Is Eroding--He Just Doesn't See It
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 09:59 AM
Nov 2012

I think that Grover's power base might finally be crumbling. It's not just those of us who see Norquist as a class warrior leading many of the troops of the top one percent and those of us lesser folk who depend on government pensions who worry about the effects of political blackmail by a sociopathic whack-job on their pensions and medical assistance, but I believe that many less-reactionary people might FINALLY be wondering if Norquist's notions might be dragging the US from the ranks of the top-ranked countries into something resembling Argentina or post-Soviet Russia.

Even some of the "bidnessmen" who have been reflexively funding the GOP over the last few decades might have woken up to the point where they've noticed the financial crises abroad and that Norquist/Tea Party antics might bring the same sort of (stuff) home to our own shores.

I think that keeping the federal government solvent is a patriotic position. Don't you?



 

John2

(2,730 posts)
11. You
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 11:18 AM
Nov 2012

Last edited Sat Nov 24, 2012, 01:53 PM - Edit history (3)

are correct, I call him the little Napoleon. He is delusional about his power. He is forgetting the other ten ton gorilla in the room. That ten ton gorilla are the people that elected the Democrats and President Obama which means us.

I would explain it to little Napoleon this way: The Republicans don't have to lift a finger and taxes will be raised. The reason why, is because that ten ton Gorilla is telling the Democrats and President Obama to let the tax cuts expire and Norquist's puppets will deal with the ten ton gorilla in the next election. We will see who will pay if they didn't get the message.

We did not elect President Obama or any Democrats to cave in to you or your supporters. Seeing how Social Security, Obama care and Medicare are not in the cuts, you will lose the War in the end. Not only that, in the long term, your Party is in danger of becoming irrelevant, if you have not noticed. It only takes patience and a matter of time. You are mistaken , if you think the American people gave you some mandate, to cut their entitlements or safety net. The majority, did no such thing in November.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,437 posts)
9. Then over the cliff we go...................
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 11:09 AM
Nov 2012


and remember, he only cares about CORPORATE TAXES. If rates go up on middle-or-lower income people, he's perfectly fine with THAT.
 

John2

(2,730 posts)
20. Yeah,
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 01:37 PM
Nov 2012

many in the middleclass and poor say go over the cliff. Recoup all the money and return some of it to entitlements. Grover can't do a thing about it. The part you don't return, pay down the Deficit. We'll begin kicking them out of office, starting 2014, if they don't want to compromise and take our offer. We dictate the terms period. Take it or leave it, your move.

aquart

(69,014 posts)
10. That treasonous bastard has wrecked our infrastructure and left us naked to our enemies.
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 11:18 AM
Nov 2012

He needs to live under a Red Cross blanket on Long Island.

Texin

(2,597 posts)
14. I'm sure a lot of the rethugs who got their asses whipped in their congressional
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 12:00 PM
Nov 2012

races would like to have a little chat the Grover about now. If the idjits don't realize that sticking with Norquist will all but cement the Dems retaking the House in 2016, then let them lick his posturing ass all they want.

Beaverhausen

(24,472 posts)
15. Just like the Kardashians, I don't understand why anyone pays attention to Norquist
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 12:31 PM
Nov 2012

Who is he and why does anyone care what he says or who took his pledge?

Zorro

(15,749 posts)
18. I wonder how much teabilly support Grover would have
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 12:52 PM
Nov 2012

if those nitwits knew he's married to a Muslim woman, and reportedly converted to that faith to receive the blessings of her family.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
30. Quite a few all ready know;...
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 03:47 PM
Nov 2012

they are trying to drive him out of CPAC. I can't think of the guy's name leading the charge but Michelle Bachman is one of his followers.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
21. Just think, it won't be too long before we see little Grover lying on the floor with hands and legs
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 01:39 PM
Nov 2012

flailing in the air- throwing a real, honest to gosh soiled brat temper tantrum.

Retrograde

(10,158 posts)
24. And who died and made him king?
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 02:55 PM
Nov 2012

I don't recall Norquist being elected to anything: why does he have so much power? And why don't Democrats run against him more?

Drale

(7,932 posts)
28. What does Grover have on these people
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 03:33 PM
Nov 2012

that they fear to break Norquiest's pledge? He has no real power and he defiantly has no legal authority.

BuelahWitch

(9,083 posts)
35. They are probably scared that he will help fund challengers for their seats
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 04:12 PM
Nov 2012

If they won't sign his pledge, he can find a fundie teabagger who will.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
31. Bush tax breaks WILL EXPIRE, so jump off the cliff Grover, America is done with YOU!!
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 03:48 PM
Nov 2012

and take your 'Grover-Groupies' republicans with you.

tblue37

(65,488 posts)
37. He's just an enforcer. The real power behind his threats is
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 06:48 PM
Nov 2012

the cabal of insanely rich SOBs who will fund the primary challeges to any Republican who doesn't toe the anti-tax line. The rich jerks also coopt Republicans (and many Dems!) by dangling lucrative positions in front of them for when they are no longer in elected office.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
39. Grover's attempt at relevance is now solely based on an antithesis to Sesame Street Characterization
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 02:15 AM
Nov 2012

ancianita

(36,137 posts)
40. Is he a bag man for the country's "owners"? What's he got on these people, anyway.
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 08:45 AM
Nov 2012

This is the most evil, arrogant posture of any individual in these times. How can it "hold."

This isn't about "caving" to a "pledge," and he's a total idiot to say that It's about the "elected" pooling the electorate's tax resources to do what's best for the entire population, not his fraternity of pledges and their central command. Fuck this guy.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
41. He has had his hand in every major moment of the Repub party of the last 30 years or so.
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 09:32 AM
Nov 2012

From Reagan to Newt's Contract with America, Norquist was there. But he risks irrelevancy since the Repubs lost back to back Presidential elections. Good riddance. I think his influence is going to wane. If Repubs keep losing, why listen to someone leading you to lose?

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
42. Yes, and the Americans have not reached Baghdad, Saddam has everything under control,
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 05:39 PM
Nov 2012

and we're taking down the statues to have them cleaned.

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