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DID THE GOP PRESSURE PBS TO DELAY THE AIRING OF THE DUST BOWL DOCUMENTARY UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTION?
A Ken Burns documentary on the Dust Bowl is airing this week on PBS. It contains a lot about the importance of Democratic President Franklin Delano Roosevelt and New Deal programs in helping the people in what are now Red States affected by the disaster of the Dust Bowl years, and how big government diagnosed and instituted regulations to fix the problem.
It's like a four-hour true infomercial about how big government and collectivism solved the problems caused by under-regulated capitalism and individualism. The GOP is constantly threatening to cut funding for PBS because it's the only channel not beholden to corporate advertisers and can therefore tell the truth.
It's reasonable to ask if the GOP threatened PBS or if PBS held-off out of fear. Or was it just a coincidence that it aired just after, rather than just before the election?
elleng
(130,918 posts)We do NOT need any more 'conspiracies.'
likesmountains 52
(4,098 posts)elleng
(130,918 posts)Were spending MANY hours on Road to the White House, for those who cared to be informed.
Watch it if you can. It's really an amazing commercial for Democratic policies, although it doesn't intend to be.
elleng
(130,918 posts)doc03
(35,340 posts)ToxMarz
(2,168 posts)Still have to give us a tickle once in awhile or they are of no use whatsoever for the GOP to manipulate.
northoftheborder
(7,572 posts)Wonder how many present-day Okies really know how their ancestors lives were saved by Roosevelt's policies. Also, ironically, so many of the Okies that migrated to Orange County Cal. became the most conservative part of California.
chollybocker
(3,687 posts)No tote bag for you.
JEFF9K
(1,935 posts)I am entitled to a tote bag. My post knocks the Republican threat to PBS, not PBS's reaction to the threat.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Remember the Puke stink over Day After Tomorrow?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Such a terrible, shitty movie. And so scientifically void that you would think the GOP would have -endorsed- the damn thing.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)I still remember the gawd-awful hyper-sentimental sappy syrupy scene of the dirty-faced, irradiated young woman on a cot stoically tying a dirty yellow ribbon in her remaining 3 strands of hair as she lay dying so she'd look purty for her visiting beau. That move was soooo RIDIKULUSLY BAD
SouthernDonkey
(256 posts)I love most of Ken Burns movies. I was looking forward to watching it.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)"The Day After" was a made for teevee soap opera movie about the effects of a nuke strike on our nuke silos in the heartland. Because, as we all know, the best way to knock out a country's offensive capabilities is to send an ICBM an extra 1500 miles or so and target each individual nuke silo before it can launch, as opposed to, say, cutting off the head of the hydra. That and the ever so poignant (read over the top and cringeworthy) scene of the stoic, brave, blond midwestern girlie girl dying from radiation sickness, wan dirty face, lying on a cot in a makeshift medical ward ...and someone tying a dirty yellow ribbon on her few remaining strands of hair so she'll look purdy for her fiancee or whoever it is who is coming to say goodbye to her before she gives up the ghost. Badly written. Badly directed. Badly acted. But other than that, what the hey?!? It made a real nuclear holocaust almost preferable....
Orangepeel
(13,933 posts)Although I'm wondering what the Venn diagram of people who would watch a documentary about the dust bowl on PBS and people who vote republican would look like. I'm guessing not much of an overlap.
JEFF9K
(1,935 posts)Even less of an overlap after watching this!
Grammy23
(5,810 posts)there was a quote about how the "rich were not happy about the socialistic programs" that Roosevelt was putting in place to help the poor and destitute across the country as a result of the drought and the Great Depression. If I hadn't have known it was a quote from the 1930s, I would have sworn it was the exact same thing the rich and well off people are saying these days about any program that helps the less fortunate.
If you missed this excellent documentary on The Dust Bowl, I encourage you to see it. It is a great lesson for all of us to hear again. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. That's a fact.
One other thing I realized: I attended two high schools, one in Mississippi and the other in Texas . Both of them were built by the WPA and were in good condition when I was attending in the 1960s. Both had plaques on them and that was the reason I knew they were built by the WPA. One of them is still in use in Ft. Worth, Texas and is a wonderful example of architecture of the period.
JEFF9K
(1,935 posts)The documentary clearly demonstrates the importance of Democratic policies. My post is serious, although some don't think so.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Like "collectivism."
It may be news to right wingers, but nobody on the left really talks about anything called "collectivism." It's a pure right wing description of an imagined position. Therefore, when people use it in a sentence as if it is an actual description, they reveal themselves as right wingers.
Here's the interesting part: there are probably hundreds of words like this that are pure right wing vocabulary, but you can't possibly know what those are without extensive involvement in actual left discussions, which you never get to have for very long because you keep getting tripped up on right wing vocabulary!
JEFF9K
(1,935 posts)I understand the thing about right-wing words. I am using "collectivism" because I have just finished reading ATLAS SHRUGGED and seven biographies of Ayn Rand, where the word comes up a lot.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Yeah, whatever, dude.
Stop digging.
RobinA
(9,893 posts)Jeez, pick up a book already.
"Collectivism" is a social theory (see Marx, Rousseau, et al.). The term, the theory, and the lengthy discussion of which can be found in social and political theory books everywhere from the high school to the postgraduate levels. The right wing may use the word, but they in no way own it, nor will they ever. Too many far superior thinkers have weighed in on the idea, at length, to ever be co-opted for its ownership by a few morans on Fox.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)It could be a conspiracy.
It was held back for sweeps which while a bit less important for PBS are not unimportant.
Maybe. I thought my point was worth considering, though.
sadbear
(4,340 posts)And as I'm not familiar with the geo-political history of the dust bowl region, after watching the documentary, I find myself extremely surprised that that area is today a republican stronghold. WTF is wrong with those people?
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)Check out "Guthrie, Woody"
sadbear
(4,340 posts)were dust bowl victims. Perhaps there weren't that many dust bowl victims overall?
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)True that the actual number of farm families made up a small percentage of those who migrated - that is the 16,000 number, I suspect. But the people in towns who left were also victimized by the combination of the dust bowl tragedy and the Depression. Businesses failed in the towns and the dust itself hit the towns just as hard as the country side.
sadbear
(4,340 posts)I assume the 16000 were farmers and non-farmers alike. The vast majority of those who went to California did not come from the dust bowl.
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)Those four states were part of the Dust Bowl. The most severe effects were in the Oklahoma panhandle and across the border in Texas. However, the impacted area was much larger and included large parts of not only these four states but Kansas, Nebraska Colorado and New Mexico as well.
Obviously not all went because of the Dust Bowl, many people were migrating for all kinds of reasons in the 1930s, mostly related to the Depression. But one can't really separate the Dust Bowl from the Depression. The triggering events of the Dust Bowl were dry weather, improper farming practices, and the collapse of wheat prices. As wheat prices fell, farmers responded by plowing up more ground and planting more wheat, many of them borrowing even more money against the land in order to do so. When both the crop failed and the prices continued to bottom out, the banks could not be paid and they foreclosed on the farms. This helped to trigger the migration. Many of the banks and other agricultural businesses also failed,
http://faculty.washington.edu/gregoryj/dust%20bowl%20migration.htm
Numbers are elusive but it is safe to say that 300-400,000 Oklahomans, Texans, Arkansans, and Missourians moved to California and settled there during the 1930s.
RobinA
(9,893 posts)the professional pilots I know are dedicated Republicans championing smaller government while making very nice money landing planes on public built runways, being guided by public employees, following government enforced safety rules, flying planes outfitted with all kinds of safety equipment invented in the pursuit of government projects... Wait, where was I going with this? Oh, why do people who profit from government hate government? Racism. Bottom line.
sadbear
(4,340 posts)JEFF9K
(1,935 posts)You got that right. There are lots of things that liberals don't take credit for, but should.
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)It is one thing if they had announced that it would air before the election but there is no evidence of that. Don't we have enough actual controversies to get outraged about without making up stuff?
JEFF9K
(1,935 posts)I thought my post was harmless, yet worth thinking about.
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)This is another awesome PBS history story fully documented with American records.
http://www.pbs.org/tpt/slavery-by-another-name/watch/
LiberalFighter
(50,938 posts)that would watch the whole thing.
sadbear
(4,340 posts)It really is that good, IMO. Ken Burns is a special artist.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)have you seen this pbs documentary yet?
http://www.pbs.org/tpt/slavery-by-another-name/watch/
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)Last edited Tue Nov 20, 2012, 05:09 PM - Edit history (1)
Like a season opener for PBS.
world wide wally
(21,743 posts)ErikJ
(6,335 posts)THAT"s the one I'm waiting for. I have been very interested in it since 7th grade. It was called the Republican Depression for a long time.
JEFF9K
(1,935 posts)Thom Hartmann still calls it the Great Republican Depression. For ten years or so, leading up to the Great Depression, Republicans held the Presidency, the Senate, and the House. It's hard to not blame it on Republican policies. It's also a nice talking point!
SouthernDonkey
(256 posts)I always like to make sure I am using a word I don't always use correctly as to it's meaning, and the correct context. So quite frequently I just Google it. I wasn't sure about "collectivism" so I just looked it up. I know in French a word can be masculine or feminine, but I've really never given it much thought as to whether it could be liberal or conservative. Hmmmmm. I'm starting to understand. Sort of like a reverse "secret handshake". ....a Perry Mason moment for sure! That's sort of "conspiracy theory"ish itself isn't it? Just an observation....
bluedigger
(17,086 posts)I think the simplest explanation is the most likely in this case. Burns consistently delivers the highest rated products for PBS, therefore they premiere them in sweeps weeks for maximum impact.