2016 Postmortem
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he Ecuador Embassy in London where Julian Assange has been living since June 2012 has cut his internet access (as reported by Wikileaks).
Leading up to this action, and possibly related: a dating site toddandclare.com contracted Assange earlier this year (they say he approached them) to work with them on their KATIA project, a safety tool for women planning to go on a date with someone online. He allegedly used the site for nefarious purposes that perhaps upset his hosts.
Toddandclare became a participant in the UN Global Compact program in May 2016. This required them to release certain company records to the UN, including details of their legal interactions with Assange which by then included a report from the Royal Bahamas Police about an investigation into Assange. (Assange is no longer involved in KATIA.)
On September 28 this year a Canadian family holidaying in the Bahamas reported to the police that their 8-year-old daughter was sexually molested online by Assange on Toddandclare.com, including propositioning her to perform oral and anal sex acts. She was presumably accessing the site through her 22-year-old sisters account. Whether these chats were recorded or not isnt clear but the family claims they identified Assange.
From the report by Toddandclare (based on their understanding of the police investigation note the father of the girl contacted them on September 28):
We understand Julian Assange was clearly photo- and video- identified in the chatlogs by both the parents of the juvenile, [and the] Social Services worked involved
We understand the family reported to the Bahamas authorities that Mr Assange sent the 8-year-old juvenile (i) unlawful, indecent images and video media of himself performing lewd sex acts on a mobile camera device, and (ii) unlawful obscenity materials of a child pornographic nature.
The final clause notwithstanding, its not clear as yet whether he knew he was interacting with an 8-year-old or thought it was the 22-year-old account holder.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/10/17/1583749/-Julian-Assange-investigated-for-online-grooming-of-8-year-old-girl
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)WillYourVoteBCounted
(14,622 posts)18 October 2016
Earlier today the website DailyKos reported on a smear campaign plot to falsely accuse Julian Assange of pedophilia.
Here is the description of the plot from Mr Assanges legal team, the investigative report into the front company and associated correspondence. An unknown entity posing as an internet dating agency prepared an elaborate plot to falsely claim that Julian Assange received US$1M from the Russian government and a second plot to frame him sexually molesting an eight year old girl.
The second plot includes the filing of a fabricated criminal complaint in the Bahamas, a court complaint in the UK and laundering part of the attack through the United Nations. The plot happened durring WikiLeaks Hillary Clinton related publications, but the plot may have its first genesis in Mr. Assanges 16 months litigation against the UK in the UN system, which concluded February 5 (Assange won. UK and Sweden lost & US State Dept tried to pressure the WGAD according to its former Chair, Prof. Mads Andenas).
Timeline 2016
May, when self-claimed dating agency "ToddAndClare" (T&C) approach saying they were contacted by the Russian government
Sep 3, T&C email Assanges Swedish lawyer Per Samualson offering one million dollars for Assange to appear in a video advertisement for the "dating agency" ToddAndClare.com (See attachment). This is the first contact.
Sep 15, email sent from a member of Mr. Assanges defence team to hannah@toddandclare requesting further details (See attachment)
Sep 19, hannah@toddandclare.com emailed with elaborate bonafides, proposed agreement and the claim that the source of the million dollars is the Russian government The email states that T&C was approached by Russian representatives in May 2016 and that "The source of the $1,000,000 is the Russian government". The email then goes on to "verify" bonafides by giving a detailed description of the interior of the house and desk of his lawyer, Helena Kennedy, who is a member of the UK parliament, including a reference to a photo of Tony Blair (Kennedy states that the Blair reference is accurate although out-of-date).
Sep 20, a representative of Mr. Assanges defence writes to hannah@toddandclare.com stating that the proposal appears to be an "elaborate scam designed to entrap Mr. Assanges reputation into unwanted and unwarranted publicity"
Sep 21, hannah@toddandclare.com writes stating that "The offer expires at midnight, October 31st 2016."
Late Sep, WikiLeaks announce a press conference for Oct 4 for its ten year anniversary.
Late Sep, Press widely misreport that WikiLeaks is going to launch its "October Suprise" against Hillary Clinton on Oct 4, misinterpreting its press conference call
Oct 4, T&C files its "Assange paedophile" libel through the UNs Global Compact system alleging that there is an active criminal investigation in the Bahamas against Julian Assange for the abuse of an eight year old girl and claiming to have chat logs and photos. The allegation appears on the UN website with UN Gobal Compact letter head and is contextualised with a complex back story. The request targets the UN WGAD (part of the UN Human Rights system) which found that Assange is being illegally detained by the United Kingdom and Sweden.
Oct 4, T&C files claim through the UK courts, apparently using it as a method to place the paedophile accusation into the public record. (See attachment).
Oct 4, WikiLeaks holds press conference, where it becomes clear that its publishing of Clinton related documents will occur later
Oct 5, T&C UK court claim arrives at Ecuadorian embassy in London
Oct 7, Friday, WikiLeaks commenses release of the Podesta Emails
Oct 11, T&C pushes out Assange paedophile claim through PRWeb newswire service
Oct 12, UN Global Compact delists T&C, citing "integrity" issues
Oct 12, T&C issues press release opposing UN delisting with an elaborate story, claiming that Julian Assange is threatening US citizens (T&C)
Oct 17, Investigative report into Toddandclare.com prepared for Mr. Assanges lawyers is concluded, finding "T&C Network Solutions exhibits the characteristics of a highly suspicious and likely fabricated business entity." (See attachment "FINAL REPORT T&C 17 Oct 2016" .
Oct 18, The paedophile part of the plot is launched through US democrat-aligned web site DailyKos and pushed by pro-Clinton twitter accounts
Contacts
Assange Lawyer Melinda Taylor (english-The Hague):
+31 611566009
email: melindataylor@gmail.com
Per E Samuelson (swedish/english-Sweden)
email: per@ssw.se
http://ssw.se
Attachments
PDF - 863.6 kb
final_report_t_c_17_oct_2016-2.pdf
PDF - 558.5 kb
lawyer_letter_regarding_t_c_false_claims.pdf
PDF - 922.6 kb
toddandclare-uk-county-court-claim-against-ja-oct-4-2016.pdf
PDF - 68.2 kb
toddandclare-emails-3-sep-2016-to-21-sep-2016.pdf
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)I am sure if Ted Bundy had a website it would have proclaimed him innocent too.
Whether Assange did this or not, I am not going to trust his website.
Cause Assange is so credible.
WillYourVoteBCounted
(14,622 posts)that's fine, for each person who covers their eyes, there are 2 that will read the documents.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)The thing about objectively-verifiable information of public record is that it is objectively verifiable information of public record.
It does not matter if I say that "there is no company by that name in state X". You can search the corporate filings of any company yourself.
Perhaps you can point me to the UNGC "regulations" referenced in the report then, yes?
WillYourVoteBCounted
(14,622 posts)The investigation report is at the link and very thorough:
https://www.wikileaks.org/IMG/pdf/final_report_t_c_17_oct_2016-2.pdf
WillYourVoteBCounted
(14,622 posts)So the DKOS blogger changed the subject line to
"Julian Assange alleged investigation"
and notes they have removed the diary - perhaps because it is a FRAME UP!
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)We understand the family reported to the Bahamas authorities that Mr Assange sent the 8-year-old juvenile (i) unlawful, indecent images and video media of himself performing lewd sex acts on a mobile camera device, and (ii) unlawful obscenity materials of a child pornographic nature.
What's the holdup then? As far as I knew, it shouldn't have mattered if he knew whether or not unless at some point the juvenile said she was the 22 year old. Which honestly... Is highly improbable. Hell, the whole thing feels improbable.
Jarqui
(10,130 posts)If true, he's damaged a lot of what he worked for ...
I hope it isn't true but it doesn't smell good at the moment ...
I also hope David Brock or someone from Hillary's group is not mixed up in this (at this moment, there is no reason to suspect it except how it could affect the campaign for President of the United States - Nixon messed up with Watergate when he had a gigantic lead ...)
WillYourVoteBCounted
(14,622 posts)The whole accusation is sketchy, but Assange's legal team has documents, timeframe,
evidence, the whole thing reeks of attacking the messenger.
https://wikileaks.org/Background-and-Documents-on-Attempts-to-Frame-Assange-as-a-Pedophile-and.html?update3
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Every lawyer tells people their client is innocent. That's their job.
I want to see independent folks do analysis.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Analysis of toddandclare's prnewswire press releases misleadingly referring to their own wholly-irrelevant filing with the UNGC as a "UN Report" referencing non-existent "regulations"?
That kind of analysis?
This has all the seriousness of a man running onto a soccer field naked with a gambling website address body-painted on him.
WillYourVoteBCounted
(14,622 posts)"Throughout the investigation, no officialrecords for T&C Network Solutions were identified in any of the jurisdictions the company has claimed as their corporate headquarters. Additionally, all attempted contact with the company
and its few identified associates currently remains unsuccessful -- all telephone numbers
identified as being associated with this organization were either not valid or inoperative; none of
the emails sent to the companys customer support, domain administrator, press addresses or
identified affiliated individuals were responded to.
...
No official government records for T&C Network Solutions were identified throughout
the course of this investigation other than recognition as a Participant with the United Nations
Global Compact, since 6 May 2016, and a United Nations Communication on Progress report
filed by ToddandClare.com on 4 October 2016.
T&C Network Solutions was delisted by the UN Global Compact program on 12 Oct
2016. The delisted entry states that T&C Network solutions failed the program's Integrity
Measures.1
https://www.wikileaks.org/IMG/pdf/final_report_t_c_17_oct_2016-2.pdf
Demsrule86
(68,689 posts)Hillary is not Nixon...and the usual mention of Brock' name indicates an agenda of some sort.
Jarqui
(10,130 posts)That doesn't mean someone in her staff, like Brock, can't make a stupid mistake - even while Hillary has a nice lead. History can repeat itself.
Brock is not someone I trust. He's earned that mistrust many times over.
Cha
(297,692 posts)and her people in on this is curious.
Cha
(297,692 posts)assange to trying to haul Hillary in on this.
David Brock of MediaMatters is very trustworthy.. so you don't need to try and paint him with this assange brush.
Jarqui
(10,130 posts)I don't agree with everything about Assange (certainly not the sex crimes if they are true) but I respect his fight (even if I don't agree with it or all of it).
I find Brock, even in this election, to be very untrustworthy. A bunch of the material from Correct the Record was propaganda veiled as something else. I think he's a piece of dirt Hillary doesn't need.
I'm not spreading rumours.
The only thing that can take Hillary down now is something really stupid like this. Shining a brighter light on it hopefully helps to prevent someone from doing something stupid.
Cha
(297,692 posts)trump elected.
Jarqui
(10,130 posts)I have zero faith in him. Zero. You have to look at his whole career.
Assange is trying to hurt Hillary's political chances for his own preservation. I do not want him to succeed but I can understand why he's doing what he's doing.
Cha
(297,692 posts)Jarqui
(10,130 posts)But that isn't going to make me trust David Brock when he has a history of violating trust and I that isn't going to turn me entirely against Assange who has exposed a number of things and raised some interesting issues.
in other words, Assange may not support Hillary but he's not all bad and Brock supports Hillary but I will never trust him.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Evidence if his actions.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)The Sexual Assault Ticket
BainsBane
(53,072 posts)ad nauseum. They recited his lawyers arguments as fact and repeatedly refused to examine the legal record. Those women's lives weren't consequential enough to even bother examining the evidence. Now there are allegations of would-be pedophilia. I hope people learn to stop defending accused rapists just because they agree with them politically or admire something they've done in the past.
ismnotwasm
(42,014 posts)If I recall correctly. That pig Assange couldn't be bothered to wake the women up before he went at it. Now this. I looked at Twitter and it's full of the same Assange worship and MRA crap about him. No concern for victims whatsoever
mythology
(9,527 posts)What possible choice did he have? I mean sure he could have met those conditions like wearing a condom or chosen to not attack them, but then the selfish little shit wouldn't have gotten what he wanted.
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pnwmom
(108,995 posts)That would be illegal regardless of whether he thought he was transmitting child pornography to an 8 year old or a 22 year old.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)How have they not hauled his disgusting ass out of the embassy yet?
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)they can and did cut off his internet access.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)While cutting his net access is a good move, he's still technically free; and if he has a phone, I highly doubt he's hurting for connection with the outside world.
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)against him in Sweden. He's been avoiding a trial for rape for years. So it's not surprising that they can't extradite him for this.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Last edited Wed Oct 19, 2016, 12:06 AM - Edit history (2)
Registrant Name: Julia Phillips
Registrant Organization: T&C Network Solutions
Registrant Street: 10685-B Hazelhurst Dr
Registrant City: Houston
Registrant State/Province: Texas
Registrant Postal Code: 77043
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Phone: +1.7130916111
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax:
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email:
Google streetview of that address:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/10685-B+Hazelhurst+Dr/@29.797081,-95.561557,3a,75y,174.48h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFQGbuIQwWTsGbmakSpMdTQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0xb01a6dbc5b07ffa4!6m1!1e1
FOR CLARITY - PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS IS *NOT* A TELEPHONE NUMBER, SINCE THAT IS *NOT* A VALID TELEPHONE NUMBER, AND THE LOCATION IN STREETVIEW IS A MAIL DROP ADDRESS:
http://www.bbb.org/houston/business-reviews/mailing-services/usa2me-com-in-houston-tx-31005961
https://www.usa2me.com/
Tortmaster
(382 posts)... to me for the Ecuadorian embassy to cut off the internet privileges of a political refugee because he is sending political communications. It does make sense if the Ecuadorian officials we're privy to evidence that your supposed political refugee is exploiting children. That has to be stopped immediately. From what I recall, the Ecuador government doesn't give a rat's ass about American internal politics. They surely want to stop child abuse, though. If I was the Ambassador, I would at least conduct an investigation.
From what I read recently, the Bahamas police have an open file, as they can't interview Assange, and the parents traveled back to Canada.
I guess we wait for further developments. Unless, of course, somebody at Wikileaks wants to leak the chat log(s).
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Interfering in another country's elections is a big deal. Enabling that to occur from your embassy makes you partially responsible.
Now, countries can and do interfere in other elections every now and then, but it is a carefully thought out act with big consequences and bigger potential repercussions. In other words, if Ecuador wanted to interfere in US elections, they would want to do so as a clear matter of policy. And they would want the potential impact and repercussions to be worth it.
Enabling someone else to interfere in US elections without a clear benefit to Ecuador doesnt make sense for them or anyone else.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)He was granted asylum status as a persecuted journalist, not a political activist.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Last edited Wed Oct 19, 2016, 12:39 PM - Edit history (1)
I guessed right
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512520682
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Last edited Wed Oct 19, 2016, 12:12 AM - Edit history (2)
Registrant Name: Julia Phillips
Registrant Organization: T&C Network Solutions
Registrant Street: 10685-B Hazelhurst Dr
Registrant City: Houston
Registrant State/Province: Texas
Registrant Postal Code: 77043
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Phone: +1.7130916111
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax:
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/10685-B+Hazelhurst+Dr/@29.797081,-95.561557,3a,75y,174.48h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFQGbuIQwWTsGbmakSpMdTQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0xb01a6dbc5b07ffa4!6m1!1e1
FOR CLARITY - PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS IS *NOT* A TELEPHONE NUMBER, SINCE THAT IS *NOT* A VALID TELEPHONE NUMBER, AND THE LOCATION IN STREETVIEW IS A MAIL DROP ADDRESS:
http://www.bbb.org/houston/business-reviews/mailing-services/usa2me-com-in-houston-tx-31005961
https://www.usa2me.com/
The address is a warehouse used by a mail forwarding company. This is no "doxxing" of an existing company or individual. This is simply pointing out that all contact information for the supposed company is fake.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)I haven't examined this at all yet to determine what I think.
However, I will definitely NOT accept the word of Assange's own website or his attorney that he is not guilty.
I have a website and I could put on it that I am William the Conqueror, 1st in the line of the Kings & Queens of England. And everyone's attorney says they are innocent.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)...and facts that are independently and objectively verifiable.
I believe what we have here are two different sets of loons, and this is a "Loon on Loon" conflict.
The statements that T&C made about the "UN Report" were clearly designed to convey a false impression, and that's not dependent on anything having to do with Assange. A UNGC "statement of commitment" is not a platform for reporting alleged child abuse. It is clear that what they did was sign up for a fluffy PR initiative so that they could post their own document as some kind of "official UN report" and then blast press releases referring to it as if it were a "UN Report" of some kind. That is why they got kicked out of that program.
It is also an objectively verifiable fact, having nothing to do with Assange, that their address is a mail drop and their telephone number starts with a "0" in the local exchange.
I am of the opinion that Assange is an asshole. I am also of the opinion that these T&C people are nuts.
Just because two people are having an argument of some kind, it does not mean that what either one of them is saying is credible.
This is like deciding between two JFK conspiracists whether he was shot by Illuminati or whether he was shot by Aliens.
Tom Rivers
(459 posts)accused of multiple sex crimes, hacked into U.S. government officials emails, and is trying to help his pal putin get trump elected. says it all about this man and his character.
struggle4progress
(118,350 posts)By RAPHAEL SATTER
Oct. 18, 2016 12:22 PM EDT
... Julian Assange says his hosts at the Ecuadorean Embassy in London abruptly cut him off from the internet ...
"While our concerns about Wikileaks are longstanding, any suggestion that Secretary Kerry or the State Department were involved in shutting down Wikileaks is false," U.S. State Department spokesman John Kirby said in an email. "Reports that Secretary Kerry had conversations with Ecuadorian officials about this are simply untrue. Period" ...
WikiLeaks staffers Kristinn Hrafnsson and Sarah Harrison did not return repeated messages seeking comment. Staff at the embassy declined comment. Ecuador's Foreign Minister Guillaume Long, approached by The Associated Press on the sidelines of a United Nations conference in Quito on Monday, declined to comment when asked about Assange. His office later released a terse statement in response to "the speculation of the last few hours" reaffirming Assange's asylum status ...
Assange has carved out a life at Hans Crescent, dining on delivered food, welcoming famous well-wishers and even occasionally addressing the media from the embassy's balcony. But evidence of tension and mutual suspicion with his hosts surfaced after BuzzFeed News drew on confidential Ecuadorean government documents to detail a violent, after-hours confrontation between Assange and an Ecuadorean security guard in September 2012 ...
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/6f997f97c5f140a29f385ea05f1b642c/wikileaks-assanges-internet-link-severed-state-actor
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... confirm this?
tia
bravenak
(34,648 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)But I would not put it past him at all.
That being said I read so much crazy shit I don't know what to believe.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I'm no Assange fan, but this line is bullshit:
"Toddandclare became a participant in the UN Global Compact program in May 2016. This required them to release certain company records to the UN, including details of their legal interactions with Assange.."
The UNGC, whose 9000+ member companies include Wells Fargo, UBS, Shell Oil, and all kinds of companies interested in greenwashing, requires no such thing.
Companies are allowed to post a "statement of commitment" which describes their corporate environmental policies and other mundane bullshit. T&C sent in a "statement of commitment" which was this rant about an 8 year old using an adults account to communicate with Assange, that referred to non-existent "regulations" requiring them to use the UNGC as a platform to post things like that. Apparently believing the document was an ordinary mundane statement, it was posted on the UNGC site.
Then, T&C posted a "news item" on a cheesy press release service about a "UN Report" about Assange.
This thing seems more like a publicity stunt for the dating site.
Tortmaster
(382 posts)And yet you keep defending him in this thread, and you've given out the personal information of the complainant company.
Moreover, your speculation that this is a "publicity stunt for the dating site" is not well formed. You are saying that, for some reason, the dating site admitting that their customers are at risk from perverts is a "publicity stunt"? Not very reasonable interpretation. Not a good publicity stunt. Your assumption is not credible.
By the way, I've reported your outing the personal information about the complainant company. I don't know if that constitutes "doxxing," an attempt at doxxing, or just hostile behavior. Doesn't seem right to me.
Tortmaster
(382 posts)At the bottom of all of this is the complaint that a child was molested. Why would you attempt to deter from an investigation of that? Why make it harder for people to report?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I have been critical of Assange for years, and long before it was popular here.
Here's a post from 2010:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8818094&mesg_id=8825054
Here's another one from 2010:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8079681&mesg_id=8080109
I do not generally call people whom I support "teabaggers".
I've been skeptical of him and his intentions when I was about the only one here who was, so you haven't the first idea of what you are talking about.
I had an occasion to cross paths with him quite a long time ago. He is an arrogant and vindictive asshole with an ego the size of Jupiter.
That does not make this particular shiny object true.
Now, perhaps you might point me at these supposed "regulations" of the UNGC to which this non-existent company with a facially invalid telephone number in their public whois information is supposed to have followed.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)That is an invalid telephone number.
There are no telephone numbers which start with "0" in the 713 area code, or in ANY area code.
I did not post anyone's telephone number, because that is NOT A TELEPHONE NUMBER. Do you understand that?
Now, perhaps you would like to respond to my observation about the reference to non-existent "regulations" of the UNGC?
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)tonedevil
(3,022 posts)it says it has been removed pending investigation. Wouldn't it be kind of better to investigate first then post?
mwrguy
(3,245 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)setting up someone to be a pedophile like this is a known way to destroy someone's reputation...
A key example I remember is the pre-Iraq war weapons inspector Scott Ritter who kept saying there were no weapons in contrast to the Bush administration.
I don't know what really happened with Ritter, but the charges were all too convenient for the Bush administration.