I've had it.

[Agschmid]

I'm so over 2016, Trump has achieved his goal he's reduced the political discourse to complete bullshit. Peolple who I always had some respect for, and assumed we intelligent are buying the complete bullshit. I've started to hear that people just aren't going to vote and this is the biggest mistake.

You don't vote and we end up with Trump, it really is that simple.

There is no way anyone who can think reasonably can believe Trump will do anything positive for the country.

Government isn't a business and the continued comparisons to running a business are ridiculous.

I've also completely had it with Wikileaks, the people who continually post the leaks never even question the source. They don't seem to even care that only one campaign has been hacked, they don't find that curious? Not even for a second.

We all need to GOTV, or we will be stuck with this guy for four years and the destruction will be immense.

[TonyPDX]

1. Mark Sumner at dkos expressed it well:

One year—maybe soon if the Republican Party genuinely completes its disassembly under Trump—a third party will come along whose views conform to those of a significant number of Americans and whose candidates demonstrate the knowledge and experience worthy of the offices they seek. That’s not this year.

Carl Hiaasen:

Forget the hanging chads, disputed recounts and lawsuits. Here’s the true reason that Gore lost Florida, and the election:

More than 138,000 voters in the Sunshine State cast their ballots in that election for third-party candidates. Most of them you never heard of, before or since.

The Iraq War and everything that came after. Plus accelerating climate change, tax cuts for the wealthy that drove up debt for everyone else … really, it’s hard to even think about what the world would have been like, had a few voters in Florida not tried to be so damn cute.

[Cakes488]

2. It's also a little annoying that a hundred thousand assholes in FL get to decide the trajectory of

the nation.....

[RKP5637]

3. It is, it's completely illogical. n/t

[MH1]

5. Solve it with ranked-choice voting, aka Instant Run-off.

There may be some other options as well. Those are just the names I know.

In IRV, the 138000 or so would have put their first choice as whoever it was, but those votes would have been discarded and their second (or third or whatever) votes would have been counted. Presumably they had Gore or Bush in their rankings somewhere, eventually their votes would have gotten added to the tally of which of those vote leaders they preferred.

That's an inelegant description, and there are questions of how to implement the system and not confuse voters. But if it was implemented successfully, it would solve the issue of a handful of voters determining the direction of the country.

[Qutzupalotl]

6. Don't forget Katherine Harris illegally purged 90,000

mostly black voters from the rolls. Greg Palast has proof.

Had their votes been accepted, they would have easily overcome Bush's initial 537 vote margin.

People voting their conscience is not the problem. Election theft is the problem.

[BSdetect]

4. The electoral college system is BS

Popular vote for Presidents. No State BS