2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumLatest Pinebagger News: Whining over maltreatment of Trump (No really, they are)
http://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/prediction-they-are-going-to-smear-trump-worse-than-anyone-in-american-history/"Prediction: They are going to smear Trump worse than anyone in American history.
After hearing his speeches over the past week, its clear Trump has the number of the global elite. He is exposing all their crimes, and calling them out for what they are liars and criminals and murderers. Nobody on the national stage has ever laid it out so clearly and loudly as Donald Trump has. The government-financial elites know these ideas are going to take root if they dont act quickly. You know they arent going to sit back and let that happen. I dont know if theyre going to smear him with accusations that he is racist, anti-semitic, or even that he has committed violent crimes, but one things for sure: The government-media-financial elite takedown of Donald Trump is imminent."
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They are really earning their nastier nickname from a parody site: Jackass Radicals
jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)Then any claims you made to being a progressive are a complete joke.
obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)I consider JPR an alt-right site.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)No progressive or liberal can watch what is happening with Trump, his embrace of the alt-right, his nationalistic rhetoric and the ugly statements and behavior toward women and think "Oh, poor him"
obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)catbyte
(34,393 posts)Unbelievable that it ever had anything to do with DU. They can have it.
womanofthehills
(8,712 posts)In that thread, did you see the post complaining about SNL smearing Trump? WTF???
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)from various parts of the political spectrum, who shifted after the primary to the right-wing so-called "populist" cum now alt-right movement.
Disturbingly, research is showing that people do NOT have an ideology and then choose leaders who fit that ideology. Instead, they choose parties, factions, leaders, and the ideology changes to fit the leaders'.
This would make sense of the astonishing reality that people who once cheered for Sanders' idealistic egalitarian, distributive progressive ideology are now cheering Trump's vicious "battle" against the Jewish one-world conspiracy and to imprison or even execute Hillary Clinton.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Hortensis
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supporters and possibly even more over time did shift their support Hillary Clinton, most in the cheerful belief that she also represented a very satisfactory option and a bunch of DUers were/are among them.
So this would apply to the mostly angry anti-Democrat minority who did not, including those of extremist temperament who, researchers say, may shift from far left to far right and vice versa as situations change. As seems likely to have happened with our little group of them here, as well as more mainstream populists.
Vox has a really enlightening article about voter behavior. I'm waiting for a layman's version of the book reporting the findings of a pair of Princeton researchers that it's based on.
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/14/12663318/bartels-achen-democracy-for-realists
For those interested, here's a 12-page discussion from The Brookings Institution site.
Realists, By Thomas E. Mann
It should be no surprise that Trumps march to the presidential nomination took place within the Republican Party.4
As Norm Ornstein and I argued four years ago, the GOP has become an insurgent outlierideologically extreme; contemptuous of the inherited social and economic policy regime; scornful of compromise; unpersuaded by conventional understanding of facts, evidence, and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition. Its deep cultural pessimism, unbridled attacks on government, automatic opposition to and unbending obstruction of the opposition party president, mobilization of populist anger, and then failure to deliver on the impossible promises
made to party rank-and-file succeeded in making the country appear ungovernable. What better political environment for an outsider, anti-establishment candidate promising strong leadership to make America great again?
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Democracy-for-Realists.pdf
MADem
(135,425 posts)have other issues--some of them don't think minorities (and let's include Muslims and gay people in that grouping) deserve a place at the table, that they should take a back seat, wait their turn, etc., and stop being "troublemakers." That was the piece of the whole primary process that really surprised me; that some (a very few, mind you) of people who wore the "liberal" label were only liberal when it came to THEIR preferred issues.
Some of these folks (again, very few of them) came off as flat-out racists to me. I was rather shocked at the fluidity.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)indicated by this behavior. Being liberal goes far deeper than a party label or issues positions. We're see these things very differently from conservatives. Just ask our Dem Party conservatives. Also very differently from "fars" of either extreme.
Btw, earlier on MSNBC or CNN someone quoted a poll that 20% of Republicans reject Trump and 13% of Democrats reject H.
This isn't the first poll showing such strong support for H. If 17-21% (the latter # Pew's) of Democrats are conservatives--who normally reliably vote Republican for president, a very important percentage of our Democratic conservatives are rejecting Trump and voting for the Democratic candidate this time. And that's great!
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)for sure.
ismnotwasm
(41,986 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Hekate
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For all their whining about how DU would become an echo chamber and fail without them, I am quite glad most of them are gone. They don't lack for websites of their own, obviously.
Every so often a DUer wakes up to the awful reality of JPR and returns to DU. I say welcome back to the fact-based world. There's plenty of room here.
Cha
(297,275 posts)busy doing.
meow2u3
(24,764 posts)with what the site bearing his name ended up becoming.
Hekate
(90,708 posts)obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)They really, really almost totally ruined DU, drove a big wedge between lots of DUers.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)DU is so much nicer for their absence.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)We're totally phony and never wanted Bernie to win. Women and POC saw through their shit a lot earlier than most, because they were trying to set others Dems against us. Assholes.
Cha
(297,275 posts)was deplorable.
And, here's Obama going out of Office with a successful record and high approval polls from America!
Sweet Justice!
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)stalking attacks?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)including some that are STILL FFR after their last incursion here right around July.
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)I came really close to the same fate. I have a big mouth and can get a little (or a lot) passionate...not saying my 'vacation' was not deserved.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)I had hoped they might do an amnesty or something. The primary was very bitter.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)yardwork
(61,622 posts)I think it's a test case for the cable network Putin hopes to fund with Trump as the front man. So far it's not very impressive.
Blah blah blah propaganda blah blah Russia good US bad blah blah Brexit good! Blah blah No vaccines!! Blah North Korea good blah blah blah Putin sexy!!!!
I mean, I can't even.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)In political jargon, useful idiot is a term for people perceived as propagandists for a cause whose goals they are not fully aware of, and who are used cynically by the leaders of the cause.
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We know which 2-3 former DUers started the site. While its possible they are working for one of Putin's agencies, I am not sure those agencies would have them.
yardwork
(61,622 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Yep
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Cakes488
(874 posts)even go.....but I do like the one sentence that his takedown is imminent. WONDERFUL!
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)The media is not "smearing" Trump, they're actually, for once, being truthful about him. Which they should've done during the primaries but they liked the ratings, so they never brought up all his known baggage; the Stern tapes alone should've sunk him, the Central Park 5, building a goddamn wall, deporting millions of immigrants, calling Mexicans rapists, etc, etc.
Would the GOP still have nominated him had the media uncovered all that crap during the primaries? Probably. But he wouldn't have even broke 40% in any polls. By failing to report on Trump's problems during the primaries, the media legitimized him (and yes, the Pinebaggers actually think he was a legitimate candidate, with many arguments "concerned" about him winning).
Now the media is seeing that as far as ratings is concerned, a total collapse of Trump's campaign is just as well, and given how the Trump campaign repeatedly mistreated the media throughout this thing, they have no qualms with actually uncovering his dirt.
Cha
(297,275 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)a winner! Big difference between the two.
The United States of America is strong and resilience and so is HRC!
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)And the comparison between Trump and Hillary on that point is striking. She comes across as strong and transcendant in the face of attacks and he comes across as a whining, sniveling, weak man-child.
TXCritter
(344 posts)I have a test I use on alt-wrongers. I ask for sources to see how they react.
I'm feeling slightly masochistic enough to go over their and try it.
I've spent a lot of time in and out of the far left. It drives me nuts when democrats can't tell the difference between the far-left opposition and the right wing. But these JPRs? I dunno what the hell they are.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,350 posts)When I got there, a "little less PC" turned out to be an all out right-wing brawl.
I don't think my post count got to 2.
Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)Politics is a no-holds-barred sport. It's not for the weak or the thin-skinned.
The Clinton family has endured a quarter-century of ceaseless and baseless antagonism from right wing hate radio and FOX news.
To hear the whining from the Trump camp about a few weeks of documented and authentic criticism of their candidate proves them to be prissy little cowards and not the imagined revolutionaries they fashion themselves to be.
Let the truth reveal itself on a daily basis until around 2040 regarding Donald Trump. THEN complain.
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)femmocrat
(28,394 posts)But in full disclosure, that article was posted by a newb. I wouldn't broad-brush the entire membership.
Some very nice DUers have migrated over there. I miss some of those posters.
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)third party which is a vote for Trump...I know there are a few...Armstead comes to mind who are trying to show pinebaggers that a Trump presidency would be a disaster for the progressive movement and for the country, but many are either delusional or Trump supporters .
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JTFrog
(14,274 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)they come forward to describe how Trump sexually assaulted them are trash. Trump supporters are trash.
If people are concerned that there isn't enough tolerance for misogyny, racism and sexism then this isn't the place for them.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)If they are there trying to make people be sensible, then they are in the smallest of minorities. That place is filled with racist, misogynistic, bigoted propaganda. It is worse than frreperville in that these people claim to be something they are not. At least at the usual disgusting sites, you know you are dealing with right wing trash. But the pinebagger folks are as much on the Con as Don.
Cha
(297,275 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)"billionaires who control corporations".
They are that stupid. Useful idiots.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Part of the far left also hear Jews. A far leftist is just as able to be an antisemite as a far right supporter
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Hekate
(90,708 posts)I was shocked out of my naivete by the anti-Zionist tenor of the large ANSWER Coalition signs and speeches.
As I've often noted, my lifetime on the other side of the country sometimes catches me off guard when it comes to the political culture of the East coast. When I got home, my ex-New York Jewish-Buddhist husband shrugged and said there's always been an anti-Semitic presence on the far-Left in the US. So now I'm aware of it and I notice it.
It is what it is.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Note the user name of the person who posted that.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Disgusting and sad at the same time.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)with the Trumpers.
They should not bother trying to come back.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Hope he stays that way.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Still hanging around. But the silence is welcome.
Cha
(297,275 posts)thinking
obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)The honest ones do it with the same names they use here.
I'm not surprised by any, although disappointed in some.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)would also be a dedicated Trumphumper.
Cha
(297,275 posts)Poor trump is their hero getting hoisted on his own petard.. wah wah.. and they can't even see that.
Thank you, geek, for that link.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)feet to the fire.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Foggyhill
(1,060 posts)obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)Hekate
(90,708 posts)And by "our side" I mean every Democrat and every elected Democrat without pausing for breath.
womanofthehills
(8,712 posts)and I have seen anti Elizabeth Warren posts on Jackpine. They are big into the emails too.
A really sick post was made by a woman who was initially upset because the man she was dating was for Donald Trump - her fellow Jackpiners made her realize that that was a ok thing - not bad at all - who are these people??
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)They strive on loathing.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)They'll have to start fresh.
The funny thing is Clinton us going to be an excellent epically effective president. Obama got shit on for things he taked about doing but didn't have the votes.
Clinton may well have the votes.
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)as it's the reminder for me to go and check out the site and see how many people whose posts I once respected show up there and now come across as batshit crazy.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)and I am not sorry to see them go One or two specifically!
underpants
(182,826 posts)It'll be brutal.
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geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Since those mentally-diseased Trumpers and white nationalists are obviously more compatible with what you're seeking in discussions, feel free to spend the balance of your time there.
This is a liberal website. That means no bigotry, misogyny or promoting Donald Trump and other white nationalists.
Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)Nevernose
(13,081 posts)And was the intention of their creators.
They have, however, seemed to have gone batshit crazy en masse, with Clinton derangement syndrome. They're the ones that have become an echo chamber of conspiracies, lies, and hatred. It's kind of depressing.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)to ever walk on two feet.
A site founded on hatred of the Democratic nominee was always doomed to become an alt-right looney bin.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Or batshit crazy, sexist, anti-Hillary propaganda.
At least you got JPR.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Unless your variety of view is criticizing Trump.
DEAR TRUMP SUPPORTERS
"Why are you here? This is a progressive website or is supposed to be. I believe climate change is real, in a womans right to choose, campaign finance reform, and most of all decency among a plethora of other things Trump doesnt seem to care for."
http://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/dear-trump-supporters/
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37. This thread is closed. It's flame bait
Cha
(297,275 posts)14. there is no decency in the Clintons. I am not For Trump, I am strongly
against Those Criminals who are not progressive, at all. As crazy as it sounds, Trump sounds more like Bernie than that pack of pig smelling vermin.
The HDS got that one bad
Obamacare!
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Holocaust denial, misogyny, racism, ethnocentrism, religiocentrism, ratfuckery, negative nationalism and support of the alt-right are types of variety.
Do they make discussion better? Not as far as I am concerned. Your mileage may vary.
obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)yardwork
(61,622 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)LostOne4Ever
(9,289 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)that disgust every decent human being on planet earth.
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ismnotwasm
(41,986 posts)Silly Trolls.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)That after 9 months of catching hell you will have the last laugh
Or we all will on November 9th.
But count on them coming back under new names and stirring up shit. I hope MIRT will continue to do the stellar job they are doing now.
Have a great evening and an even better month!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Gothmog
(145,291 posts)Cha
(297,275 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Don't see your posts that frequently but I am here sporadically anyway. But yeah, glad to see you.
George II
(67,782 posts)....are precisely what was suspected by DEMOCRATS at the time - they were right wing republicans all along.
Great that they're now willing to out themselves.
Gothmog
(145,291 posts)Many JPR posters were never members of the Democratic Party
ismnotwasm
(41,986 posts)Typical conspiracy crap by people who think they have special "insider" knowledge by virtue of reading some random blog in the internet. So much bad information, puerile analysis, and then the pure batshit crazy in there.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,742 posts)I also never knew that so many of those people are actual doctors who are able to diagnose what diseases they think Hillary Clinton has without ever examining her!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I knew it would come to this. After all the finger pointing about 'third way' blah blah blah, about how 'progressively pure' they all are, the masks have come all the way off. I'm sure nobody still here is surprised that all the banned trolls and whatnot have come to love love love Trump and defend him against his own damn stated tactics of sexual abuse and blame the victims. Oh my and the CONSPIRACY THEORIES are just superbly off the fucking hook. From Hillary had her legbreakers rough Bernie up to make him endorse her, to Trump being a misunderstood "Social Justice warrior man of the people fighter of oligarchs", the damn consoiracy theories are mind blowing in their stupidity.
One might think they would kinda like 'notice' that they are actually making exuses for, and supporting a MADMAN with a nuke fetish and roving hand and no fucking filter, but NOOO. They think they are informed and pure and whatever.
So glad they found a home somewhere else.
Cha
(297,275 posts)14. there is no decency in the Clintons. I am not For Trump, I am strongly
against Those Criminals who are not progressive, at all. As crazy as it sounds, Trump sounds more like Bernie than that pack of pig smelling vermin.
The HDS got that one bad
Obamacare!
Shame on the willful ignorance.
Mark Elliott ?@markmobility
British paper sums up the devolution of U.S. politics, 2008-2016.
1:10 AM - 11 Oct 2016
3,328 3,328 Retweets 4,186 4,186 likes
https://twitter.com/markmobility?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
h/t https://theobamadiary.com/2016/10/11/chat-away-878/
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Half right-wing trolls and half bat shit crazy "leftists."
BainsBane
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On most things.
jamese777
(546 posts)About JPR is that some of them claim to still support Bernie Sanders. If Hillary Clinton is elected and if she can carry with her a Democratic Senate majority, Senator Sanders then becomes Chair of the Senate Budget Committee and thus he will be one of the most powerful and influential persons in Congress. Every dollar of the federal budget will be under his direct scrutiny and control.
Renew Deal
(81,860 posts)On that site. They tried to bring DU down, but they failed. Now the deplorable Trump trolls have finally outed themselves at that hate site.
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BootinUp
(47,157 posts)Hi bravenak. 😀
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Gothmog
(145,291 posts)JRP posters are posting about every and every idiotic conspiracy theory out there. I really love the threads about the election litigation lawsuits. None of the JPR posters have a clue as to election law and the threads on the election law litigation are so dumb that they are funny. I really enjoying laughing at these threads
BWT, the JPR are really upset that the reporting on the wikileakes stolen e-mails are not generating any real outrage. It is really sad that they think that the transcripts of Sec. Clinton's speeches to Goldman are not grounds for the DNC to remove Hillary Clinton as nominee and replace her with Sanders.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Went and looked, they are lost in the woods. Nobody that supported Bernie is now supporting Trump. Their hatred of HRC is disturbing.
Gothmog
(145,291 posts)It seems that some JPR types are unhappy
Rex
(65,616 posts)Anyone that supports Trump, has lost all my respect and will never get it back.
LeftRant
(524 posts)"Prediction: They are going to smear Trump worse than anyone in American history."
*other than Hillary Clinton, but don't let decades of smears hit you in the ass.
Cha
(297,275 posts)doesn't give a shite that he's a racist bigoted, sexual psycho predator.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)2bannon, blueinak, they have not changed a bit and are not going for the Trump Train to hell. Sad too see others I respected going full trump.
JI7
(89,250 posts)long.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)They mainly posted about their hatred of democrats & liberals.
Many were hostile toward women & black people here.
This site is better now without them.
Cha
(297,275 posts)"... blah blah.. trump has the number of the global elite.. " Are they fucking kidding?!
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)the terms "DLC" and "Third Way" will certainly be triggers for all of us to look at with new posters. I noticed those things are spouted repeatedly in the cesspool.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Even insanity has standards.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... looks like I had them figured out all along!
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)NurseJackie
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