2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumAfter the election, there will be war within the GOP.
Open War. That party no longer has any unity at all. The rabid right will attempt to take over leadership, but they have no real position from which to insist on that. The Old Guard has the position, but lack fervent popular support.
There is no middle ground that has both power and broad rank and file support.
The result may be a split in that party, with neither side able to hold onto the name.
From all of this may emerge two weak political parties. Perhaps something like The Original Republican Party and The True Republican Party.
Cucking Splitters!! Monty Python would be proud.
Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)2 Party's. No possibility to win POTUS
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Maybe in tone and in-your-faceness, but not in policy or positions.
I long for the days of "rightwing" Republicans like John Warner and Lindsey Graham. Before you excoriate me on Lindsey:
Graham is a tricky target because he is up for re-election in bright red South Carolina in 2014. But the senator has, in recent years, collaborated with Democrats on major issues like immigration and climate change, and in the wake of Obama's re-election, is urging his party to soften its opposition on immigration reform in order to win back Hispanics. He has also been vocal about his support for raising tax revenues to reduce the debt.
If Graham gets hounded by a credible primary challenger early next cycle, his desire for cooperation could prove short-lived. But if he fends off an intra-party battle for his seat, the South Carolinian could reignite his bipartisan streak and become a central figure in advancing and molding Obama's key second term initiatives.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/the-5-gop-senators-most-likely-to-work-with-democrats
So, there's that.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Now they're just going to put less effort into pretending otherwise.
Moostache
(9,895 posts)Glamrock
(11,802 posts)"I thought it was the Judean People's Front? "
BSdetect
(8,998 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)It will be interesting, that's for sure.
mercuryblues
(14,532 posts)am waiting for the republicon post mortem on the election. The last 2 were because their messaging sucked and the candidate was not conservative enough. Well the messaging is polar opposite and the candidate wants to boot every non-white person outta here, so where do they go now?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)they've already had the war. Bannonand Trump won. They own GOP voters. Paul Ryan is a figurehead.
Their policy agenda won't change, they'll just be more upfront about it.
senseandsensibility
(17,056 posts)They are ALL either spineless or crazy.
herding cats
(19,564 posts)But there are still pockets of resistance fighting back by withholding money.
Trump did himself no favors with this crowd this week: disparaging his accusers physical appearance, launching tirades against the press corps, and giving a more full throated endorsement of the notion that the election was rigged against him.
Watching from afar, a number of top Republican donors were aghast. One very high ranking Wall Street donor said that pressure on the RNC to cut ties with Trump is intense. As for the RNCs chairman, Reince Priebus, the donor warned that his re-elect [as chair] was on the line by holding firm to Trump.
Trump has put top Republicans in a Hobbesian bind, forced to choose between alienating the vast number of voters devoted to the real estate mogul and the elite wing of the party that finds him repulsive. So far, they have largely sought a middle ground, denouncing the candidate at times while never fully severing their ties. But as the election nears and the limit of Trumps political abilities and appeal become clearer, walking that line has grown much harder.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/republican-party-breakup-trump_us_58025048e4b0162c043c558c?syngwm4vo0s02j4i
Other battles are still to be waged, but I don't see the Trump type Republicans as the ultimate losers in the war. What I expect is the party will go all out to find a more gentle version of Trump they can run next time. Someone who will enrage their voters, but not be out of their control behind the scenes. I expect it to blow up in their faces again.
They've been heading this direction since 2008 with the introduction of Palin, the later acceptance of the Tea Party fringe into the main fold, and now with their support of Trump. This is their on doing, and it's odd to see them railing about it as if it's a new creation.
anamandujano
(7,004 posts)Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)They will just decide they were not crazy conservative enough and just double down again
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Cosmocat
(14,565 posts)Nm
Cakes488
(874 posts)could easily peel away some Democrats and also the Independants.
forjusticethunders
(1,151 posts)are more like Rockefeller Republicans, way to the left of all but the most liberal Republicans.
Cakes488
(874 posts)Kennah
(14,273 posts)When the Whigs collapsed, the GOP was formed with opposition to slavery uniting them.
Perhaps they'll take a cue from the short lived Know Nothing Party and form the Dipshit Party.
BumRushDaShow
(129,062 posts)You might have noticed who was sortof missing this election cycle. 2 people -
1.) Karl Rove
2.) Grover Norquist
The social issues GOPers used Trump as a megaphone for their most craziest of crazy fringe demands. But they also seem to be "no new taxes" types too... So I expect to see the resurrection and rebirth of Norquist & Rove to try to move the juggernaut back to something they all seem to agree on.
Kennah
(14,273 posts)... cause there's a chance they go to prison.
doc03
(35,340 posts)job Trump is already claiming the election is rigged in case he doesn't win.
There will be investigations of voter fraud and investigations of investigations.
BumRushDaShow
(129,062 posts)with quotes... and then posted what might unite them. Rove took a break this election cycle but he will be back.
Cosmocat
(14,565 posts)They will VERY quickly rally around trying to destroy Hillary.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)It's always because the candidate wasn't conservative/insane enough.
I can't imagine what kinda freaks the remnants of the republican party will run for office in the coming years.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Generic Brad
(14,275 posts)While I don't agree with him on many policy positions, I completely respect his principles. He has integrity and morals the rest of his party has abandoned.
LeftRant
(524 posts)The old guard won't suffer another Trump willingly.