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MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
Sat Oct 15, 2016, 08:15 PM Oct 2016

After the election, there will be war within the GOP.

Open War. That party no longer has any unity at all. The rabid right will attempt to take over leadership, but they have no real position from which to insist on that. The Old Guard has the position, but lack fervent popular support.

There is no middle ground that has both power and broad rank and file support.

The result may be a split in that party, with neither side able to hold onto the name.

From all of this may emerge two weak political parties. Perhaps something like The Original Republican Party and The True Republican Party.

Cucking Splitters!! Monty Python would be proud.

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After the election, there will be war within the GOP. (Original Post) MineralMan Oct 2016 OP
GOPe vd GOPar Old and In the Way Oct 2016 #1
I really don't seen any significant difference between the Lyin'Ryan Repubs and the Trumpublicans. BlueCaliDem Oct 2016 #2
Yeah, GOoPers have always been mostly a bunch of shitstain racists geek tragedy Oct 2016 #9
The people's front of Judea (n/t) Moostache Oct 2016 #3
And now for the obligatory Glamrock Oct 2016 #4
Equal time for The Judean Peoples' Front , than you. BSdetect Oct 2016 #16
Hard to see them holding together as one party oberliner Oct 2016 #5
I for one mercuryblues Oct 2016 #7
There won't be any war because geek tragedy Oct 2016 #8
I agree. senseandsensibility Oct 2016 #12
They did win the battle for control. herding cats Oct 2016 #21
They won a battle but are losing the war. They don't own anything. It's going to be a free for all. anamandujano Oct 2016 #29
Nah Drahthaardogs Oct 2016 #10
This workinclasszero Oct 2016 #22
Right Cosmocat Oct 2016 #23
If they were smart the OGR Orig gangsta Repub's would moderate their social positions and then they Cakes488 Oct 2016 #11
I disagree; even the most conservative Democrats forjusticethunders Oct 2016 #15
There were a lot of democrats who voted for Reagan... Cakes488 Oct 2016 #18
Unlike with the collapse of the Whigs, I don't see anything to unite them. Kennah Oct 2016 #14
"I don't see anything to unite them." BumRushDaShow Oct 2016 #17
If Trump is Goldwater, and Rove/Norquist are Nixon, then Hallelujah ... Kennah Oct 2016 #25
You don't? Hillary Clinton will unite them just as always. That nut doc03 Oct 2016 #26
I merely quoted post #14 BumRushDaShow Oct 2016 #30
The evil liberal boogyman Cosmocat Oct 2016 #24
The deplorables always double down when they lose an election workinclasszero Oct 2016 #19
More like, after the election they won't be hiding it anymore. Coyotl Oct 2016 #20
I hope the Kasich wing wins out Generic Brad Oct 2016 #27
I predict they will implement Superdelegates or similar party-control over the next nomination. LeftRant Oct 2016 #28
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BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
2. I really don't seen any significant difference between the Lyin'Ryan Repubs and the Trumpublicans.
Sat Oct 15, 2016, 08:27 PM
Oct 2016

Maybe in tone and in-your-faceness, but not in policy or positions.

I long for the days of "rightwing" Republicans like John Warner and Lindsey Graham. Before you excoriate me on Lindsey:

Lindsey Graham

Graham is a tricky target because he is up for re-election in bright red South Carolina in 2014. But the senator has, in recent years, collaborated with Democrats on major issues like immigration and climate change, and in the wake of Obama's re-election, is urging his party to soften its opposition on immigration reform in order to win back Hispanics. He has also been vocal about his support for raising tax revenues to reduce the debt.

If Graham gets hounded by a credible primary challenger early next cycle, his desire for cooperation could prove short-lived. But if he fends off an intra-party battle for his seat, the South Carolinian could reignite his bipartisan streak and become a central figure in advancing and molding Obama's key second term initiatives.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/the-5-gop-senators-most-likely-to-work-with-democrats


So, there's that.
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
9. Yeah, GOoPers have always been mostly a bunch of shitstain racists
Sat Oct 15, 2016, 09:18 PM
Oct 2016

Now they're just going to put less effort into pretending otherwise.

mercuryblues

(14,532 posts)
7. I for one
Sat Oct 15, 2016, 09:00 PM
Oct 2016

am waiting for the republicon post mortem on the election. The last 2 were because their messaging sucked and the candidate was not conservative enough. Well the messaging is polar opposite and the candidate wants to boot every non-white person outta here, so where do they go now?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
8. There won't be any war because
Sat Oct 15, 2016, 09:16 PM
Oct 2016

they've already had the war. Bannonand Trump won. They own GOP voters. Paul Ryan is a figurehead.

Their policy agenda won't change, they'll just be more upfront about it.

herding cats

(19,564 posts)
21. They did win the battle for control.
Sun Oct 16, 2016, 11:02 AM
Oct 2016

But there are still pockets of resistance fighting back by withholding money.

After a week of repeated allegations that Donald Trump sexually assaulted women at various stages of his life, top Republican donors and even some rank-and-file lawmakers are urging the party to fully cordon itself off from its presidential nominee.

Trump did himself no favors with this crowd this week: disparaging his accusers’ physical appearance, launching tirades against the press corps, and giving a more full throated endorsement of the notion that the election was rigged against him.

Watching from afar, a number of top Republican donors were aghast. One very high ranking Wall Street donor said that pressure on the RNC to cut ties with Trump “is intense.” As for the RNC’s chairman, Reince Priebus, the donor warned that “his re-elect [as chair] was on the line by holding firm” to Trump.

Trump has put top Republicans in a Hobbesian bind, forced to choose between alienating the vast number of voters devoted to the real estate mogul and the elite wing of the party that finds him repulsive. So far, they have largely sought a middle ground, denouncing the candidate at times while never fully severing their ties. But as the election nears and the limit of Trump’s political abilities and appeal become clearer, walking that line has grown much harder.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/republican-party-breakup-trump_us_58025048e4b0162c043c558c?syngwm4vo0s02j4i


Other battles are still to be waged, but I don't see the Trump type Republicans as the ultimate losers in the war. What I expect is the party will go all out to find a more gentle version of Trump they can run next time. Someone who will enrage their voters, but not be out of their control behind the scenes. I expect it to blow up in their faces again.

They've been heading this direction since 2008 with the introduction of Palin, the later acceptance of the Tea Party fringe into the main fold, and now with their support of Trump. This is their on doing, and it's odd to see them railing about it as if it's a new creation.
 

Cakes488

(874 posts)
11. If they were smart the OGR Orig gangsta Repub's would moderate their social positions and then they
Sat Oct 15, 2016, 10:17 PM
Oct 2016

could easily peel away some Democrats and also the Independants.

 

forjusticethunders

(1,151 posts)
15. I disagree; even the most conservative Democrats
Sun Oct 16, 2016, 09:36 AM
Oct 2016

are more like Rockefeller Republicans, way to the left of all but the most liberal Republicans.

Kennah

(14,273 posts)
14. Unlike with the collapse of the Whigs, I don't see anything to unite them.
Sun Oct 16, 2016, 01:00 AM
Oct 2016

When the Whigs collapsed, the GOP was formed with opposition to slavery uniting them.

Perhaps they'll take a cue from the short lived Know Nothing Party and form the Dipshit Party.

BumRushDaShow

(129,062 posts)
17. "I don't see anything to unite them."
Sun Oct 16, 2016, 09:53 AM
Oct 2016

You might have noticed who was sortof missing this election cycle. 2 people -

1.) Karl Rove
2.) Grover Norquist

The social issues GOPers used Trump as a megaphone for their most craziest of crazy fringe demands. But they also seem to be "no new taxes" types too... So I expect to see the resurrection and rebirth of Norquist & Rove to try to move the juggernaut back to something they all seem to agree on.

Kennah

(14,273 posts)
25. If Trump is Goldwater, and Rove/Norquist are Nixon, then Hallelujah ...
Sun Oct 16, 2016, 06:28 PM
Oct 2016

... cause there's a chance they go to prison.

doc03

(35,340 posts)
26. You don't? Hillary Clinton will unite them just as always. That nut
Sun Oct 16, 2016, 06:52 PM
Oct 2016

job Trump is already claiming the election is rigged in case he doesn't win.
There will be investigations of voter fraud and investigations of investigations.

BumRushDaShow

(129,062 posts)
30. I merely quoted post #14
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 05:24 AM
Oct 2016

with quotes... and then posted what might unite them. Rove took a break this election cycle but he will be back.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
19. The deplorables always double down when they lose an election
Sun Oct 16, 2016, 10:56 AM
Oct 2016

It's always because the candidate wasn't conservative/insane enough.

I can't imagine what kinda freaks the remnants of the republican party will run for office in the coming years.

Generic Brad

(14,275 posts)
27. I hope the Kasich wing wins out
Sun Oct 16, 2016, 07:00 PM
Oct 2016

While I don't agree with him on many policy positions, I completely respect his principles. He has integrity and morals the rest of his party has abandoned.

LeftRant

(524 posts)
28. I predict they will implement Superdelegates or similar party-control over the next nomination.
Sun Oct 16, 2016, 07:02 PM
Oct 2016

The old guard won't suffer another Trump willingly.

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