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Jill Stein: Donald Trump is Better Than Hillary
October 12, 2016
by Gary Barnes
Jill Stein took to C-Span today and declared the Donald Trumps foreign policy with Russia is simply better.
UNDER HILLARY CLINTON, WE COULD SLIDE INTO NUCLEAR WAR VERY QUICKLY FROM HER DECLARED POLICY IN SYRIA. I SURE WONT SLEEP WELL AT NIGHT AND HILLARY CLINTON ELECTED. WE HAVE ANOTHER CHOICE OTHER THAN THESE TWO CANDIDATES WHO ARE BOTH PROMOTING LEGAL POLICIES. ON THE ISSUE OF WAR AND WEASEL WEAPONS, IT IS ACTUALLY HILLARYS POLICIES WHICH ARE MUCH SCARIER THAN DONALD TRUMP WHO DOES NOT WANT TO GO TO WAR WITH RUSSIA.
Terra Alta
(5,158 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(175,742 posts)budkin
(6,703 posts)She is batshit crazy.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Emilybemily
(204 posts)She is a disgrace.
GreenPartyVoter
(72,378 posts)*sigh*
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I just don't get why a party with considerable support in the past(Green Party) would do this. They have so much better to offer.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)formed; like other liberals concerned about creating a sustainable society, I wondered if it might represent my thinking better than the Democrats. But literally from the very beginning it was already attracting too many irrational and incompetent wingers. Been there before, and I knew then that it would be what it is now. I'm just surprised it's survived this long.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)We have plenty of irrational people in our party. That is a distraction used to parlay from the platform and the many solid supporters they have had over the decades. I'm not sure how one makes that leap.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)were already being outnumbered and overpowered when I took a serious look. They'd failed to agree on their goals and how to achieve them and were instead already quarreling among themselves over those and other things big and small, which is a very typical dysfunction.
I notice they managed a high-sounding mission statement. But to this day--years later!--they have not agreed on a worthy set of the goals the party was formed to fight for, much less a viable strategy to achieve them, much less organized and gone to work to make them happen.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)You are correct there. Completely. That is really hand in hand with what I was saying. They have marginalized themselves to the point they have lost great people like the poster above for the moment.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Now I just want them to dissociate themselves from the name. It's a good one. Or, of course, evolve into something that could honor it.
Democat
(11,617 posts)Clinton will stand up to Russia so there could be war.
This statement is like a joke.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Pursuant to t-rump and stein, if we don't make nice with Russia we will be sorry.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Ugh.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)artyteacher
(598 posts)okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)Jealousy much Jill
That Putin-loving, trollish, whacka-doodle and her racist VP can go kick rocks.
still_one
(92,241 posts)I really question her mental stability
PunksMom
(440 posts)Sophiegirl
(2,338 posts)beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)And who cares about her opinions.
True_Blue
(3,063 posts)Not exactly sure why, but we can be sure that it's not to benefit America in any way whatsoever. Trump has spent his life debasing, abusing and screwing people over. Why would anyone want this stupid asshole running our Country?!
Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)kysrsoze
(6,022 posts)Rocknrule
(5,697 posts)by siphoning votes from Hillary?
Get
Republicans
Elected
Every
November
DFW
(54,410 posts)It is leading Jill Stein to some very strange places.
apnu
(8,758 posts)Even Greens can see you've lost it.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)lillypaddle
(9,581 posts)Michele Bachmann.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Trump you've always said a woman will work harder for less. Jill Stein carries your water for free.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,036 posts)patsimp
(915 posts)bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)It clearly appears to me that the Green Party is a front for the republicans to siphon off votes from the democrats.No sane Progressive would say Trump is better than Hillary
Maru Kitteh
(28,341 posts)[font size = 6]Jill Stein, guest of honor along with Trump advisor Flynn at a party with Vladimir Putin honoring Putin's propaganda network, RT.[/font]
arthritisR_US
(7,288 posts)his thugs, is anyone surprised? I'm not, her depravity knows no lows...
Stevepol
(4,234 posts)I'm not voting for Jill Stein. I can't think of any possible circumstances where I would ever vote for Trump.
But this post and the responses to it are way off the rails.
First of all, how does one get to asserting that Stein says that Trump "is better than Hillary" from her statement that Hillary's foreign policy with regard to Russia is worse than Trump's???
Trump's policies regarding Russia, as indicated in his public statements, are actually much better than Hillary's and much more likely to bring about or sustain peace. To me, that seems obvious. How does that make Stein some sort of devil incarnate?
Hillary could make one of the US's better presidents, but if she doesn't at some point modify her attitudes toward Russia and in fact her overall approach to foreign policy, the US could be a world of trouble after her election. After voting for Hillary and if, as I hope, she is elected, I will continue to hope and pray that she alters her foreign policy positions. I will also hope and pray that she finds somebody other than Kissinger to use as her mentor in foreign affairs.
babylonsister
(171,074 posts)Do you honestly think he has actual policies, towards anything? The man is a blivet; he hasn't proved to me he gives a rat's ass about Russia or anyone else, and anything emanating from his piehole could turn on a dime. IOW, I don't trust a damn thing he has ever said because he's just not that into us or the US.
Stevepol
(4,234 posts)but with regard to Russia, probably because he has financial interests in Russia, he would pursue better policies vis-a-vis Russia than Hillary, whose STATED policies involve confronting Russia in Syria (imposing a no-fly zone e.g.) which could easily lead in directions nobody in his/her right mind wants.
Trump's overall policies would be all over the place I'm sure and would be far worse than Hillary's, and I trust him fully as little as you do. He has no idea what the difference is between the truth and a lie. But why make Stein out to be some kind of Trump supporter? Why not take what she says and not read into it more than is there? She was simply trying to show that her policy toward Russia (which is closer to Trump's STATED policy) is the better policy. She is running for president, which she has every right to do. And she doesn't strike me as mean-spirited or irrational in the least.
Isn't it possible anymore to just treat people with respect and not make a lot of assumptions about that person's integrity when there's no reason to make that leap?
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"is worse than Trump's??? "
It then follows, what precisely are Trump's policies towards Moscow?
Stevepol
(4,234 posts)He would probably do whatever would most advance his own financial interests and his megalomania.
In every debate I've seen where he's asked about Russia, however, his STATED policy involves working with Russia more closely, which I believe is a very reasonable tack to take. If the US and Russia could begin to trust each other and work together, it might be possible to create a very much better situation in the world. It wasn't Russia that invaded Iraq. It wasn't Russia that blew up Libya and created greater chaos there than ever. It wasn't Russia who tried to find some non-existent anti-Assad group that it could supply with arms in the "hope" that this group could somehow defeat Assad and bring about some kind of heaven on earth. These Islamic fighters are all cut in the same mold and the people of Syria probably consider them all with distrust and fear. They all cut people's heads off and strike equal fear into the average Syrian.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)First Ben Carson, now Jill Stein, gives a lie to that.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,415 posts)She is clearly more comfortable with Trump having his finger on the button somehow for reasons I don't understand. Hillary used to be SOS and I haven't seen or heard anything that suggests that she is eager to go to war with.......anybody. I doubt that Trump will start war with Russia, given that he admires and is probably good buddies with Mr. Putin but that doesn't stop me worrying that he's not going to try to get us into a messy war/military conflict elsewhere or try to nuke a world leader who sets him off.
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)Hardly surprising.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Response to babylonsister (Original post)
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Bill USA
(6,436 posts)giving us all a little comic relief..LOL!
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)What a crazy buffoon!
Blue Idaho
(5,049 posts)FOP = Friend of Putin.
Gothmog
(145,336 posts)Jim Dandy
(358 posts)Jill and Donald.
Lanius
(599 posts)Jill Stein is a hack and a tool. She's giving Greens a bad name. I'm not Green but I do like some of their platform and know good people who are Greens. I think the Green Party would be better off not nominating her again, what with her cooky theories on WiFi signals and her attempted undermining of Clinton in favor of Trump. Trump!!! Wow.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)There is a danger of neoliberal foreign policy provoking a confrontation with Russia, although a direct US-Russia conflict is highly unlikely. It would probably be some kind of proxy war, perhaps in Syria, maybe in Iran, where we back the rebels and Russia backs the government. We are close to such a situation in Syria right now, but Obama has a cool head. So Stein is correct in proposing there is a certain risk of a certain kind of conflict with a Clinton presidency. But Stein overstates the risk for dramatic effect, so she's really not even half right, maybe 20 percent right.
Where Stein really misses the mark is in proposing that Trump has any kind of policy, plan, coherent approach, etc. toward Russia. He simply blurts out how he admires Putin because Putin is a "strong" leader, meaning he gets to do pretty much whatever he wants. What Stein fails to recognize is that someone like Trump, someone who admires totalitarian leadership, is likely to reverse course on a whim and decide he should antagonize Putin instead of praising him.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)But let's get real-- it's not going to happen, because it would end in a nuclear catastrophe.
it's just talk-- we have to act strong, project a certain attitude. I hope we can get out of this confrontational mentality, but Russia still does pose some degree of geopolitical threat and has thousands of nukes aimed at us. Diplomacy is hard, but it's better than war.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,795 posts)n/t
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)still_one
(92,241 posts)election is a trump enabler, and that makes Ms. Stein and anyone who votes for her a Trump enabler
Here is the Snopes article:
http://www.snopes.com/jill-stein-endorsed-donald-trump/
Panich52
(5,829 posts)Stein's a vindictive RWer in sheep's clothing.
Just one reason:
Jill Steins anti-vax game: How and why Green Party candidate is pandering to the anti-vaccination crowd
http://www.salon.com/2016/08/03/jill_steins_anti_vax_game_how_and_why_the_green_party_candidate_is_pandering_to_the_anti_vaccination_crowd/ via @Salon
DCBob
(24,689 posts)book_worm
(15,951 posts)TeamPooka
(24,229 posts)vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)Every 4 years her ass pops up, runs, and gets less than 1%. I supported Bernie hardcore, but behind Hillary 100%. But for any Bernie supporter that votes for this woman is completely going against what he stands for. Just GO AWAY JILL.
johnnyrocket
(1,773 posts)hatrack
(59,587 posts)Kashkakat v.2.0
(1,752 posts)HRC and ahead of Trumpty Dumpty. Keep talking and maybe Ill demote you further down the list.
WHY does this woman always assume that she is some wonderful ideal candidate that we all should be voting for??? Based on what?
You're not. Im really, truly not all that impressed with your resume. You need to start local and build from there, not just run some vanity candidacy every 4 yrs.
Entitlement much?