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babylonsister

(171,074 posts)
Thu Oct 13, 2016, 01:17 PM Oct 2016

Jill Stein: Donald Trump is Better Than Hillary



https://truthkings.com/jill-stein-donald-trump-better-hillary/#

Jill Stein: Donald Trump is Better Than Hillary

October 12, 2016
by Gary Barnes


Jill Stein took to C-Span today and declared the Donald Trump’s foreign policy with Russia is simply better.

UNDER HILLARY CLINTON, WE COULD SLIDE INTO NUCLEAR WAR VERY QUICKLY FROM HER DECLARED POLICY IN SYRIA. I SURE WON’T SLEEP WELL AT NIGHT AND HILLARY CLINTON ELECTED. WE HAVE ANOTHER CHOICE OTHER THAN THESE TWO CANDIDATES WHO ARE BOTH PROMOTING LEGAL POLICIES. ON THE ISSUE OF WAR AND WEASEL WEAPONS, IT IS ACTUALLY HILLARY’S POLICIES WHICH ARE MUCH SCARIER THAN DONALD TRUMP WHO DOES NOT WANT TO GO TO WAR WITH RUSSIA.

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Jill Stein: Donald Trump is Better Than Hillary (Original Post) babylonsister Oct 2016 OP
Fuck Jill Stein. Nt Terra Alta Oct 2016 #1
+ 1 greatauntoftriplets Oct 2016 #5
+100000000 budkin Oct 2016 #32
... Scurrilous Oct 2016 #34
+++ yardwork Oct 2016 #35
Well Said JDC Oct 2016 #56
+1000000000000 Emilybemily Oct 2016 #57
+1 betsuni Oct 2016 #70
And people asked me why I backed Bernie instead of my own party. GreenPartyVoter Oct 2016 #2
Things like this entrench the two party system even further. NCTraveler Oct 2016 #14
Unfortunately, no. I looked at the party hopefully when it was Hortensis Oct 2016 #25
The irrational and incompetent wingers is just a distraction. NCTraveler Oct 2016 #29
It's a matter of proportion, NC. Competent, rational people Hortensis Oct 2016 #37
I agree with you about proportion. NCTraveler Oct 2016 #38
It's a shame. Hortensis Oct 2016 #41
Trump will surrender America to Russia so we won't have war Democat Oct 2016 #3
This says it all. Iliyah Oct 2016 #4
Is she still talking? JustAnotherGen Oct 2016 #6
What's unfortunate is I'll have to run into her at the grocery store at some point. Agschmid Oct 2016 #7
crazy narcissist says what? nt geek tragedy Oct 2016 #8
another russian agent eom artyteacher Oct 2016 #9
Yep. Was even at the birthday party of RT two seats away from Putin. Her parents are also Russian.nt okaawhatever Oct 2016 #36
No one cares .... LenaBaby61 Oct 2016 #10
Ms Stein has just exposed herself as the emperor with no clothes still_one Oct 2016 #11
Jill Stein has no clue whatsoever. PunksMom Oct 2016 #12
She is as unhinged as he is. nt Sophiegirl Oct 2016 #13
Nothing about trump is better..who is Jill stein?? beachbumbob Oct 2016 #15
Russia wants Trump to win True_Blue Oct 2016 #16
Stein/Trump - the Vichy Tagteam. Nt Old and In the Way Oct 2016 #17
She's as evil as he is. grossproffit Oct 2016 #18
Yup... she's on the payroll. What a pathetic asshole. kysrsoze Oct 2016 #19
I wonder how much Donnie is paying her to Nader this election Rocknrule Oct 2016 #20
The search for relevance where there is none DFW Oct 2016 #21
Hey Jill, this shit is why you aren't polling over 2% anywhere. apnu Oct 2016 #22
She's deranged. BainsBane Oct 2016 #23
She's kind of a Green Party lillypaddle Oct 2016 #24
see Trump, you should have picked Jill Stein as VP. No ties to Republicans & she hates Ds too. Sunlei Oct 2016 #26
Well they both love Putin Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2016 #27
are green supporters as stupid as trump supporters? after this, stein should be at 0 patsimp Oct 2016 #28
And Mark Thompson has this woman on every month on his show giving her air time bigdarryl Oct 2016 #30
Vladdie Putin and his Russia Today love her also. So hard to figure out why. Maru Kitteh Oct 2016 #31
Given that she pals around with Putin and arthritisR_US Oct 2016 #33
The responses to this post are off the rails. Stevepol Oct 2016 #39
trump's policies towards Russia? babylonsister Oct 2016 #40
I also didn't say that I believed he would follow his policies, Stevepol Oct 2016 #61
It then follows, what precisely are Trump's policies towards Moscow? LanternWaste Oct 2016 #43
Nobody knows what Trump would actually do, even Trump himself. Stevepol Oct 2016 #62
I remember when we thought doctors were smart NastyRiffraff Oct 2016 #42
Have a friend on my FB (former Bernie support) who that feels same way Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2016 #44
And this is the BoBers second choice, huh? This idiot? BobbyDrake Oct 2016 #45
She and Trump should get a room. JoePhilly Oct 2016 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author steve2470 Oct 2016 #47
really, since Michelle Bachman is no longer quoted on "news" programs, we can thank Jill Stein for Bill USA Oct 2016 #48
Awwww! There she came out and said it! Probably trying to say that all along! Madam45for2923 Oct 2016 #49
So ends the relevance of Jill Stein. Blue Idaho Oct 2016 #50
A vote for Jill Stein is a vote for trump Gothmog Oct 2016 #51
Two Putin peas in a pod Jim Dandy Oct 2016 #52
Oh boy, she's unleashed the crazy Lanius Oct 2016 #53
Stein is only half right. HassleCat Oct 2016 #54
I don't think she's even half right, but I can understand the worry about starting a war with Russia Fast Walker 52 Oct 2016 #59
Please stop posting shit from that looney toon. No one gives a rat's ass about Whacky Jill Stein. RBInMaine Oct 2016 #55
Green Party: Getting Republicans Elected Every November DinahMoeHum Oct 2016 #58
Revealing her true colors. She's probably as pro-Russian as Trump, if not more so. Fast Walker 52 Oct 2016 #60
Snopes disagrees with this characterization. I personally believe anyone voting third party in this still_one Oct 2016 #64
Greens could hardly have chosen a less qualified person to support their causes Panich52 Oct 2016 #65
What a complete fool she is. DCBob Oct 2016 #66
This is why she has zero credibility book_worm Oct 2016 #67
Was she broadcasting directly from Moscow? nt TeamPooka Oct 2016 #68
Can she just go away? vercetti2021 Oct 2016 #69
She's mental, and needs help. johnnyrocket Oct 2016 #71
Gee, I wonder why they're getting 1% of the vote in national polls . . . hatrack Oct 2016 #72
Earth to jill - Im voting for HRC as lesser of 4 evils - with you and Gary tied for 2nd place, after Kashkakat v.2.0 Oct 2016 #73
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
14. Things like this entrench the two party system even further.
Thu Oct 13, 2016, 01:31 PM
Oct 2016

I just don't get why a party with considerable support in the past(Green Party) would do this. They have so much better to offer.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
25. Unfortunately, no. I looked at the party hopefully when it was
Thu Oct 13, 2016, 01:56 PM
Oct 2016

formed; like other liberals concerned about creating a sustainable society, I wondered if it might represent my thinking better than the Democrats. But literally from the very beginning it was already attracting too many irrational and incompetent wingers. Been there before, and I knew then that it would be what it is now. I'm just surprised it's survived this long.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
29. The irrational and incompetent wingers is just a distraction.
Thu Oct 13, 2016, 01:59 PM
Oct 2016

We have plenty of irrational people in our party. That is a distraction used to parlay from the platform and the many solid supporters they have had over the decades. I'm not sure how one makes that leap.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
37. It's a matter of proportion, NC. Competent, rational people
Thu Oct 13, 2016, 02:19 PM
Oct 2016

were already being outnumbered and overpowered when I took a serious look. They'd failed to agree on their goals and how to achieve them and were instead already quarreling among themselves over those and other things big and small, which is a very typical dysfunction.

I notice they managed a high-sounding mission statement. But to this day--years later!--they have not agreed on a worthy set of the goals the party was formed to fight for, much less a viable strategy to achieve them, much less organized and gone to work to make them happen.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
38. I agree with you about proportion.
Thu Oct 13, 2016, 02:21 PM
Oct 2016

You are correct there. Completely. That is really hand in hand with what I was saying. They have marginalized themselves to the point they have lost great people like the poster above for the moment.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
41. It's a shame.
Thu Oct 13, 2016, 03:40 PM
Oct 2016

Now I just want them to dissociate themselves from the name. It's a good one. Or, of course, evolve into something that could honor it.

Democat

(11,617 posts)
3. Trump will surrender America to Russia so we won't have war
Thu Oct 13, 2016, 01:19 PM
Oct 2016

Clinton will stand up to Russia so there could be war.

This statement is like a joke.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
10. No one cares ....
Thu Oct 13, 2016, 01:23 PM
Oct 2016

Jealousy much Jill

That Putin-loving, trollish, whacka-doodle and her racist VP can go kick rocks.

True_Blue

(3,063 posts)
16. Russia wants Trump to win
Thu Oct 13, 2016, 01:37 PM
Oct 2016

Not exactly sure why, but we can be sure that it's not to benefit America in any way whatsoever. Trump has spent his life debasing, abusing and screwing people over. Why would anyone want this stupid asshole running our Country?!

Rocknrule

(5,697 posts)
20. I wonder how much Donnie is paying her to Nader this election
Thu Oct 13, 2016, 01:43 PM
Oct 2016

by siphoning votes from Hillary?

Get
Republicans
Elected
Every
November

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
26. see Trump, you should have picked Jill Stein as VP. No ties to Republicans & she hates Ds too.
Thu Oct 13, 2016, 01:58 PM
Oct 2016

Trump you've always said a woman will work harder for less. Jill Stein carries your water for free.

 

bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)
30. And Mark Thompson has this woman on every month on his show giving her air time
Thu Oct 13, 2016, 02:06 PM
Oct 2016

It clearly appears to me that the Green Party is a front for the republicans to siphon off votes from the democrats.No sane Progressive would say Trump is better than Hillary

Maru Kitteh

(28,341 posts)
31. Vladdie Putin and his Russia Today love her also. So hard to figure out why.
Thu Oct 13, 2016, 02:06 PM
Oct 2016


[font size = 6]Jill Stein, guest of honor along with Trump advisor Flynn at a party with Vladimir Putin honoring Putin's propaganda network, RT.[/font]







arthritisR_US

(7,288 posts)
33. Given that she pals around with Putin and
Thu Oct 13, 2016, 02:13 PM
Oct 2016

his thugs, is anyone surprised? I'm not, her depravity knows no lows...

Stevepol

(4,234 posts)
39. The responses to this post are off the rails.
Thu Oct 13, 2016, 02:26 PM
Oct 2016

I'm not voting for Jill Stein. I can't think of any possible circumstances where I would ever vote for Trump.

But this post and the responses to it are way off the rails.

First of all, how does one get to asserting that Stein says that Trump "is better than Hillary" from her statement that Hillary's foreign policy with regard to Russia is worse than Trump's???

Trump's policies regarding Russia, as indicated in his public statements, are actually much better than Hillary's and much more likely to bring about or sustain peace. To me, that seems obvious. How does that make Stein some sort of devil incarnate?

Hillary could make one of the US's better presidents, but if she doesn't at some point modify her attitudes toward Russia and in fact her overall approach to foreign policy, the US could be a world of trouble after her election. After voting for Hillary and if, as I hope, she is elected, I will continue to hope and pray that she alters her foreign policy positions. I will also hope and pray that she finds somebody other than Kissinger to use as her mentor in foreign affairs.

babylonsister

(171,074 posts)
40. trump's policies towards Russia?
Thu Oct 13, 2016, 03:17 PM
Oct 2016

Do you honestly think he has actual policies, towards anything? The man is a blivet; he hasn't proved to me he gives a rat's ass about Russia or anyone else, and anything emanating from his piehole could turn on a dime. IOW, I don't trust a damn thing he has ever said because he's just not that into us or the US.

Stevepol

(4,234 posts)
61. I also didn't say that I believed he would follow his policies,
Thu Oct 13, 2016, 06:26 PM
Oct 2016

but with regard to Russia, probably because he has financial interests in Russia, he would pursue better policies vis-a-vis Russia than Hillary, whose STATED policies involve confronting Russia in Syria (imposing a no-fly zone e.g.) which could easily lead in directions nobody in his/her right mind wants.

Trump's overall policies would be all over the place I'm sure and would be far worse than Hillary's, and I trust him fully as little as you do. He has no idea what the difference is between the truth and a lie. But why make Stein out to be some kind of Trump supporter? Why not take what she says and not read into it more than is there? She was simply trying to show that her policy toward Russia (which is closer to Trump's STATED policy) is the better policy. She is running for president, which she has every right to do. And she doesn't strike me as mean-spirited or irrational in the least.

Isn't it possible anymore to just treat people with respect and not make a lot of assumptions about that person's integrity when there's no reason to make that leap?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
43. It then follows, what precisely are Trump's policies towards Moscow?
Thu Oct 13, 2016, 03:54 PM
Oct 2016

"is worse than Trump's??? "

It then follows, what precisely are Trump's policies towards Moscow?

Stevepol

(4,234 posts)
62. Nobody knows what Trump would actually do, even Trump himself.
Thu Oct 13, 2016, 06:42 PM
Oct 2016

He would probably do whatever would most advance his own financial interests and his megalomania.

In every debate I've seen where he's asked about Russia, however, his STATED policy involves working with Russia more closely, which I believe is a very reasonable tack to take. If the US and Russia could begin to trust each other and work together, it might be possible to create a very much better situation in the world. It wasn't Russia that invaded Iraq. It wasn't Russia that blew up Libya and created greater chaos there than ever. It wasn't Russia who tried to find some non-existent anti-Assad group that it could supply with arms in the "hope" that this group could somehow defeat Assad and bring about some kind of heaven on earth. These Islamic fighters are all cut in the same mold and the people of Syria probably consider them all with distrust and fear. They all cut people's heads off and strike equal fear into the average Syrian.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,415 posts)
44. Have a friend on my FB (former Bernie support) who that feels same way
Thu Oct 13, 2016, 03:55 PM
Oct 2016

She is clearly more comfortable with Trump having his finger on the button somehow for reasons I don't understand. Hillary used to be SOS and I haven't seen or heard anything that suggests that she is eager to go to war with.......anybody. I doubt that Trump will start war with Russia, given that he admires and is probably good buddies with Mr. Putin but that doesn't stop me worrying that he's not going to try to get us into a messy war/military conflict elsewhere or try to nuke a world leader who sets him off.

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
48. really, since Michelle Bachman is no longer quoted on "news" programs, we can thank Jill Stein for
Thu Oct 13, 2016, 04:35 PM
Oct 2016

giving us all a little comic relief..LOL!

Lanius

(599 posts)
53. Oh boy, she's unleashed the crazy
Thu Oct 13, 2016, 04:46 PM
Oct 2016

Jill Stein is a hack and a tool. She's giving Greens a bad name. I'm not Green but I do like some of their platform and know good people who are Greens. I think the Green Party would be better off not nominating her again, what with her cooky theories on WiFi signals and her attempted undermining of Clinton in favor of Trump. Trump!!! Wow.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
54. Stein is only half right.
Thu Oct 13, 2016, 04:52 PM
Oct 2016

There is a danger of neoliberal foreign policy provoking a confrontation with Russia, although a direct US-Russia conflict is highly unlikely. It would probably be some kind of proxy war, perhaps in Syria, maybe in Iran, where we back the rebels and Russia backs the government. We are close to such a situation in Syria right now, but Obama has a cool head. So Stein is correct in proposing there is a certain risk of a certain kind of conflict with a Clinton presidency. But Stein overstates the risk for dramatic effect, so she's really not even half right, maybe 20 percent right.

Where Stein really misses the mark is in proposing that Trump has any kind of policy, plan, coherent approach, etc. toward Russia. He simply blurts out how he admires Putin because Putin is a "strong" leader, meaning he gets to do pretty much whatever he wants. What Stein fails to recognize is that someone like Trump, someone who admires totalitarian leadership, is likely to reverse course on a whim and decide he should antagonize Putin instead of praising him.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
59. I don't think she's even half right, but I can understand the worry about starting a war with Russia
Thu Oct 13, 2016, 05:31 PM
Oct 2016

But let's get real-- it's not going to happen, because it would end in a nuclear catastrophe.

it's just talk-- we have to act strong, project a certain attitude. I hope we can get out of this confrontational mentality, but Russia still does pose some degree of geopolitical threat and has thousands of nukes aimed at us. Diplomacy is hard, but it's better than war.

still_one

(92,241 posts)
64. Snopes disagrees with this characterization. I personally believe anyone voting third party in this
Thu Oct 13, 2016, 09:04 PM
Oct 2016

election is a trump enabler, and that makes Ms. Stein and anyone who votes for her a Trump enabler

Here is the Snopes article:

http://www.snopes.com/jill-stein-endorsed-donald-trump/


Panich52

(5,829 posts)
65. Greens could hardly have chosen a less qualified person to support their causes
Thu Oct 13, 2016, 09:24 PM
Oct 2016

Stein's a vindictive RWer in sheep's clothing.

Just one reason:
Jill Stein’s anti-vax game: How and why Green Party candidate is pandering to the anti-vaccination crowd

http://www.salon.com/2016/08/03/jill_steins_anti_vax_game_how_and_why_the_green_party_candidate_is_pandering_to_the_anti_vaccination_crowd/ via @Salon

vercetti2021

(10,156 posts)
69. Can she just go away?
Fri Oct 14, 2016, 08:37 AM
Oct 2016

Every 4 years her ass pops up, runs, and gets less than 1%. I supported Bernie hardcore, but behind Hillary 100%. But for any Bernie supporter that votes for this woman is completely going against what he stands for. Just GO AWAY JILL.

Kashkakat v.2.0

(1,752 posts)
73. Earth to jill - Im voting for HRC as lesser of 4 evils - with you and Gary tied for 2nd place, after
Fri Oct 14, 2016, 09:37 AM
Oct 2016

HRC and ahead of Trumpty Dumpty. Keep talking and maybe Ill demote you further down the list.

WHY does this woman always assume that she is some wonderful ideal candidate that we all should be voting for??? Based on what?

You're not. Im really, truly not all that impressed with your resume. You need to start local and build from there, not just run some vanity candidacy every 4 yrs.

Entitlement much?

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