Media keeps saying "Hillary was rattled" by Trump's stalking. Please tell me what were the "tells"

[Hekate]

...that demonstrated to the talking heads of MSNBC and CNN that Hillary was shaken by Donald's vile behavior before and during the so-called town hall.

Because what I saw was a woman dealing patiently with a petulant toddler. I saw a dignified woman standing up to a man who tried to drag her into the sewer while she refused to even say one word on the subject. I saw a woman who never lost her cool for even a second. I saw a woman who given the slightest chance talked knowledgeably and thoughtfully about any policy on any subject.

All the while her opponent was looming over her, making faces, grunting, interrupting, and seething with rage.

So what were the "tells" that I missed?

[GeorgeGist]

1. Perhaps the talking heads were rattled.

[yardwork]

28. That's what I thought too. Hillary is fearless.

[onehandle]

2. To me, she appeared to barely acknowledge his presence.

Pretty sure her strategy was to let Trump be Trump this time.

[Coyotl]

51. She was using the town hall format to turn her back on him, and he was moving into her camera

noticeably glancing at the camera and positioning himself. That may have been a response to being denied attention or a strategy to deprive her of ad footage, but it came off as lurking in her space.

He came off as upset and desperate, nearly unhinged and agitated.

[likesmountains 52]

3. I thought she was excellent at ignoring him...

[ailsagirl]

5. +1000

[Cha]

4. The US media can FO. I didn't see it but I

know enough about Hillary to know she can handle anything. even a stalking giant predator on the debate stage.

The "media" should be pointing out what an asshole trump was instead of making up shite about Hillary.




Mahalo, Hekate~

[ailsagirl]

8. Great post, Cha!!

[Cha]

11. Thank you, ailsagirl!

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

12. Excellently illustrative photos!

She is cool and confident while Donnie the Bully looks like he's about to experience spontaneous combustion.

[Cha]

22. He's so mad! Getting beaten down by a woman and exposed for being a

sexual predator.. doesn't get much worse for him. All his karma coming back to roost.

Hillary has a psycho to run against..

Please check out this OP..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2495703

DnS

[ProudProgressiveNow]

24. +1 nt

[KingCharlemagne]

35. +Infinity! - nt

[still_one]

38. Absolutely Cha. The media were the ones that were rattled, and pulling their hair, while Hillary

was calm and collected

They are so out of touch, that they start making garbage up to justify THEIR projections, not reality

[Cha]

41. Have I said how much I hate them? They're a disgrace to America.

When we had the caliber of Walter Cronkite we could be proud of the quality and veracity in the US News.

The m$m media****** have dragged us down to the abyss. That's why the true reporters on the net and Social Media are so invaluable to our Democracy and so appreciated!

still one~

[still_one]

58. Fully Agree with you Cha

[calimary]

47. Well, it is a great post.

I did watch it. The young woman talking to Chris Hayes tonight said "you could tell she was rattled." Uh, no. You couldn't. I was watching specifically to see how she maintained her cool. And she did. Cool as a cucumber. Again. She didn't take ANY of his bait. She comported herself, again, like the only adult in the room. It was almost like watching a weary-but-patient mother with her uncontrollable six-year-old brat-child who's busy throwing a huge hissy fit in the store to get A) his way and B) more attention.

Hopefully ANYBODY in there, even those still, impossibly, undecided, could extrapolate how she'd be in the White House in a crisis. How she'd be, and behave, in the highest of high-octane meetings, events, international economic conferences, NATO meetings, UN speeches, joint sessions of Congress, you name it. You can see how she'd handle face-offs with Vladimir Putin. Cool as a cucumber. Calm, poised, unruffled, classy, professional, knowledgeable, observant, strategically shrewd, and pretty clearly a student of psychology and what makes people tick. She passed last night's test with straight A+'s across the board.

[Cha]

57. Hi Calimary! I've seen clips of the debate and Hillary was

was all those adjectives you described!

Why are those people on tv trying to say she was rattled?! Like she couldn't handled a crisis 'cause she couldn't handled a psycho predator on the debate stage?

The US media always wants to manipulate and change the narrative to the way they want the story to go. Damn Good thing we have the net and Social Media to let them know what's really going on!

Seth Meyers was dead on in his analysis of the predator on the stage..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512496111

Good to see you, sistah!

[jbeing]

59. Trump Committed a Rick Lazio.

Hillary became a senator in 2000 due to Slick Rick's attempt at intimidation. Trying to tower over her like a stalker. Hillary did a double take and kept on going. At that moment Tricky Rickie lost most women in the state. Most of them knew what it's like to have a man trying to physically intimidate them - and they wouldn't allow it.

Also, Hillary was smart, did a listening tour with her soon-to-be constituents. She was there after 9-11. I know. I saw her. What some people don't realize is her compassion and wanting to help. She has a reason to be in the arena.

A remarkable person, she has been vilified, abused and accused, and yet, she moves forward. Yes, Bill and she became rich, giving speeches, but they also convinced people, corporations and countries to donate money to save lives. Her (and Bill's) compassion is something you don't see on the right-side of the aisle (except as a money-making or grifter schemes).

She's been, shat, spat and chat upon, and yet, still maintains her dignity. She knows her goals are more important than the threats and lies (and Maureen Dud) disseminate about her. Hillary is battle-tested, experienced and someone who has a humanitarian reason to be in politics.

So, being rattled by Trump is so far from the realm of possibility. Anyone who knows anything about her knows her inner strength courage is more powerful than any Orange Julius (Caesar) bully.

[Cha]

63. Excellent Righteous Tribute to Hillary, Jbeing!

I've mentioned that rick Lazio thing before in regards to trump's psycho predatory stalking on stage last night. I was in New York then and saw that debate on tv.

It was a big ******* no-no then.. so why isn't now with trump? I wonder if any babbling head bothered to compare the two debates? I stopped watching them in 2002.

Thank you!

[jbeing]

67. Thanks Cha

Trump's tramping behind Hillary is having the same effect as Lazio. Since he can't remember anything before his last sniffle, he didn't know how that stalking helped her.

But, you know, she never needed that help. Hillary is smart, conscientious, strong and motivated to help this country. She never needed some oaf to unwittingly help her. Hillary has the goods.

I hope she can bring a Democratic Senate and House in on her coattails this November. And a couple of new Supreme Court justices. I have confidence that her administration will reverse the Reagan, Bush (1 & 2) debacles. And finally end the stingy Tea Party with healthy helpings for not only the middle class, but also the poor and the disregarded.

[Demsrule86]

6. She was not rattled by Donnie the stalker. nt

[ailsagirl]

9. I was more rattled than she!

[pablo_marmol]

19. As was I. NT

[ailsagirl]

42. It was kind of like a horror movie...

when the monster is looming up behind the heroine but she doesn't know it yet!!

[Demsrule86]

68. I agree. nt

[apcalc]

7. She was calm and collected.

[Tess49]

10. I don't think she was rattled at all. Me, on the other hand, yes. Yes, I was. Creepy. nt

[Frank Cannon]

13. Someone here said she looked like a 5th grade teacher...

Patiently waiting for her worst student to finish a bullshit class presentation on a book he never read.

[likesmountains 52]

16. perfect..

[DinahMoeHum]

21. Well, she IS a mother and grandmother, after all.

So she would know something about dealing with petulant children.

[ProudProgressiveNow]

25. +1 nt

[Lifelong Protester]

14. He was creepy.

She was not rattled (although I would be!).

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

15. CNN had a body language expert who didn't say she was rattled

He said Trump was trying to intimidate and distract her by doing it but that she was not bothered by it at all.

[Kber]

17. Well, I admit, I was rattled.

Hillary, not so much.

[Gabi Hayes]

18. the tells are the media telling you what to think, which is that trump should be president

very simple

they've been doing that since carter in 77

read Liberty Under Siege, by Walter Karp

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Walter_Karp/Reaction_Launched_LUS.html

long, but it tells you what we've been up against: carter sabotaged by his own party, the media, and the pubs, of course

worst villain....Tip Oneill

[Coyotl]

45. This is the only other clue I've seen:

[7worldtrade]

20. MSM needs to keep people watching

They all have to help their networks make a profit. There is no difference between MSNBC, TRMS, Chris Hayes, etc. when it comes to business and money.
They may have all started out with good intentions, and they may have a "left lean," but they have the same interest as Fox News to keep the eyeballs on the tv. Anyone who watched the "debate" knows that Hillary demolished Trump, and the stalker/ sniffer demolished himself. Just trust your own instinct. Democrats have a bizarre tendency to think that their observations are somehow not the same as the rest of America. People know bullshit when they see it, no matter the party. So, help gotv, which I am doing and dragging many friends with me, and proceed with confidence.

[TeamPooka]

23. If by "rattled" you mean "let him make an ass out of himself," sure. nt

[Hoyt]

26. There were times his stalking worried me, but she was like a rock. Something Trump aspires to.

[C_U_L8R]

27. Hillary is formidable and unflappable strategist

Trump was punching himself in the face all night long.
Hillary, smartly, saw no need to stop him.

[frogmarch]

29. NOT rattled! Hillary was

amused by it if anything. Rattled? No way!

[sheshe2]

30. He stalked her ruthlessly.

He is a predator, she was strong and he hated that.

I posted this last night here.

Notice his thumb tucked in his belt. That is an offensive male gesture of superiority and sexual dominance.

Predator Predator Predator

He is in her space. Back off!




http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512491685

[Cresent City Kid]

31. They also say the debate was full of insults and short on decorum

as if both candidates were equally to blame.

[pansypoo53219]

32. if SHE was rattled, what the fuck was pissypants? he was out of control. he was

FUCKED UP.

[Amonester]

33. Media can see this (Nate Silver's Now-cast)

Landslide and they don't like it. It means disinterest for the next 4 weeks: Voters made their minds pretty quickly now, and will not change their votes.... Predator = OUT of their view, out of their mind.

[still_one]

34. It is another false narative manufactored by the sorry excuse we have for the media

Actually they looked like fools when they said this. They were showing a video of the debate with Trump stalking Hillary, while she was rattling off her points, completely ignoring the twirp. The ones who were rattled were the media. She was as cool as they come.

Hillary is one tough person, and there was no way she was rattled. She was calm and collected, while everyone else, especially the media, was losing their head

[Avalux]

36. Hillary wasn't rattled. There was one moment where her jaw dropped for a sec.

Then she smiled and shook her head. I can't remember what Donald had said but that reaction was "you've got to be kidding me, I have to put up with this?".

[KingCharlemagne]

39. I was a fervent Sanders supporter through the

primaries and up to the convention. I even briefly flirted with the idea if swinging to one of the fringe-left parties.

But then Trump threatened to have Secretary Clinton assassinated and my respect for her courage and fortitude began to grow and has continued to grow ever since. After the release of the tape, I even broke open ny wallet to send her a few bucks. A symbolic gesture on ny part to show her how much I respect her now.

I still disagree with her vehemently on some policies., but I now have zero doubt that she will make an excellent president, one for whom I shall proudly cast my ballot come Nov. 8.

I am exceedingly sorry that she has to contend with this ersatz Caesar. She and we deserved better from the opposition.

[doc03]

37. I sure didn't notice her being rattled nt

[Monk06]

40. She stepped in front of him and ignored him The screams in his head must have been deafening

[EV_Ares]

43. The first one I heard say that was Chuck Todd who then put it on Mediaite. Probably picked up from

there but she never showed any signs of being rattled.

[left-of-center2012]

44. Which media?

I've been watching MSNBC and CNN.
Have heard no one say she was rattled.

[Hekate]

61. It's a running theme, along with implying they were both nasty

[WestCoasterDude]

46. You are correct ....

There were no "tells". Totally calm, collected, and on occasion, slightly bemused at the antics she was observing.

[Coyotl]

55. She was even jovially entertained at times by how poorly he was doing, esp. with the truth.

If she had tells, which she did, they were not the unintentional sort. She signaled responses with her expressions, things like "LIE" and "I'm laughing at you bud."

Donald is not accustomed to getting zero respect. He was probably rattled right off, when she said, "Hello. Hello." and did not offer a handshake.

[Ellen Forradalom]

48. It seemed to be a little bit more effort than usual

to pull together her thoughts. Not too surprising considering she had the Orange Hulk to deal with.

[herding cats]

49. I don't think she was rattled.

She actually wanted him behind her so the camera could catch his reactions. It's an old trick from Bill's (and we know who helped coach him ) playbook. Not that she expected it to bear the fruit it ended up yielding.

If anything she was surprised it was so easy to keep him in the frame. You know she laughed her butt off when she saw the body language, and creepy faces he was putting on behind her.

[ecstatic]

50. Don't forget sniffing!

[Coyotl]

53. Live stream thread I is sniffle city, fun to read

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512487810

During the debate watching and blogging makes it difficult to read all the posts too. I went back afterwards to read everyone's posts. Dang, some funny stuff, especially the sniffle storm.

[spooky3]

52. Obama = cool. Clinton = cool. Seems to be a pattern.

[Cakes488]

54. She was pissed and annoyed and I'm sure thoroughly disgusted

[donco]

56. The next debate

Hillary should go to Walgreens and get a tube of nasal spray and offer it to the SNORTING sexual predator roaming around on the stage behind her.

[Hekate]

60. It took them 24 hours to notice he had been stalking her. Maybe they'll notice Her Calmness tomorrow

Keep Calm and Carry On

Hillary Does

[jberryhill]

62. She didn't turn around, throw herself upon him, and say "Take me, darling!"

Clearly, I mean clearly, a woman who does not swoon in the rapturous presence of the comely Grabber-God must be (a) "rattled", (b) on her period, or (c) a lesbian.

We can safely assume it wasn't (b), and I'm sure they'll be coming along with the "Hillary is a lesbian" thing any time now. No more than two weeks, tops.

You know what else gets "rattled"?



Go play with that, Donnie.

[radius777]

64. I didn't see anything about her being rattled, but the opposite,

that considering the ugliness of his attacks and rehashing of the 90's scandals, she was remarkably poised and polished, and didn't take the bait.

That is the correct strategy when you're way ahead and the opponent is imploding, just step back and let it happen.

They said the debate was dark, tense and bitter, and she was much more subdued than in the first debate, and Trump much more focused in his attacks - but that is to be expected given the circumstances.

They said Trump did better than expected, but she still did what she needed to do, just appear presidential. Some said it was a tie, some said he won narrowly, some said she won narrowly. The CNN snap poll showed she won 57-34, and the focus group they had showed her winning overwhelmingly.

I watched the entire MSNBC post debate coverage, and some CNN on Monday evening, and that is mostly what I heard.

[BainsBane]

66. She worked hard to not let it show

But I could see it in her eyes on at least one point. Trump's behavior in bringing those women to the debate was unspeakably cruel. Hillary is human. It bothered her. But she is remarkably strong and handled it with great composure.