Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Democrats_win

(6,539 posts)
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 01:29 PM Oct 2016

Vice president candidate Stockdale: a POW and Hero.

Admiral Stockdale was Ross Perot's running mate in 1992. His vice presidential debate appearance was a bit of a mess, but his service to America as a POW in the Vietnam war should be remembered. Especially when you consider how Trump criticized POWS. Just think Trump wants to be on Mount Rushmore while Stockdale would never be considered. Just think how Pence cowardly never defended his running mate while Stockdale took extraordinary measures to defend America even though he was in a prisoner of war camp.

Stockdale led prisoner resistance at the Hanoi Hilton and was part of a group known as the Alcatraz gang. He even injured himself to avoid helping the enemy.

Check out Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Stockdale

This story from Wikipedia is worth considering
In a business book by James C. Collins called Good to Great, Collins writes about a conversation he had with Stockdale regarding his coping strategy during his period in the Vietnamese POW camp.[16]


I never lost faith in the end of the story, I never doubted not only that I would get out, but also that I would prevail in the end and turn the experience into the defining event of my life, which, in retrospect, I would not trade.[17]

When Collins asked who didn't make it out of Vietnam, Stockdale replied:


Oh, that's easy, the optimists. Oh, they were the ones who said, 'We're going to be out by Christmas.' And Christmas would come, and Christmas would go. Then they'd say, 'We're going to be out by Easter.' And Easter would come, and Easter would go. And then Thanksgiving, and then it would be Christmas again. And they died of a broken heart.

Stockdale then added:


This is a very important lesson. You must never confuse faith that you will prevail in the end—which you can never afford to lose—with the discipline to confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever they might be.
Witnessing this philosophy of duality, Collins went on to describe it as the Stockdale Paradox.

1 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Vice president candidate Stockdale: a POW and Hero. (Original Post) Democrats_win Oct 2016 OP
We still have the recording of the VP debate he was in. He had turned of his hearing aid. tonyt53 Oct 2016 #1
 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
1. We still have the recording of the VP debate he was in. He had turned of his hearing aid.
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 02:02 PM
Oct 2016

As a Vietnam vet myself, I become infuriated every time Trump brings up the military or anybody serving. That worthless piece of shit was a draft dodger. I had a deferment but joined after I graduated college and one of my previously drafted brothers was discharged. When he went after McCain, I was pissed off. When he accepted that Purple Heart and said he always wanted on, that pissed me off more. When he went after a Gold Star family, that pissed me off even more. But when he made the statements he did about PTSD, it infuriated me.

Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»Vice president candidate ...