Lawrence O'Donnell makes a good point...

[Wounded Bear]

there are numerous places where clips can be pulled from the debate and used in Clinton ads, mostly the places where Pence denies something there is vid evidence for.

He also said that there were no such possibilities from Kaine.

Long term, win Kaine.

[uponit7771]

1. +1, Kelly was fact checking Pence with Conway

[misterhighwasted]

2. Must watch ODonnel's show tomorrow night when he calls out Pence & hands the win to Kaine.

He's going after Pence as only Lawrence O'Donnel can!

Must dvr his show.

[ailsagirl]

18. Definitely!!

I have my cable set up to record all The Last Words in case I miss one

[Malbrownluna8708]

40. Me too!

I love his commentary. He's a little feisty too....I like that. I also like when my DVR surprises me when he does Friday shows.

[ailsagirl]

44. I could never figure out his schedule

except that he had Fridays off. Now he's around-- sometimes-- on Friday.

All the better.

Welcome to DU, Malbrownluna8708!

[RKP5637]

3. Yep, lots of good ad outake material!!!

[Renew Deal]

4. That's been my point all night

Kaine did a lot of long term good. His exchanges have replay value

[C_U_L8R]

5. We may be ding'd on style points

but clearly we win on honesty and substance.

And no matter what.... Pence just can't hide that
Donald Fucking Trump is his disgusting running mate.
Ew.

[AmericanMan1958]

6. Well Played!!

Hats off to Kaine!

[Iliyah]

7. Kaine did very well. Exactly what the C/K team wanted.

For a so called religious man, Pence sure do lie a whole lot.

[Kathy M]

8. K & R

[Laura PourMeADrink]

9. thanks for that thought WB...needed something positive. nt

[Wounded Bear]

12. Just quoting O'Donnell...

but you're welcome.

[saltpoint]

10. Agree. Kaine placed Pence at a long-term

disadvantage by using facts.

Pence is uncomfortable with facts.

[herding cats]

11. Yep, which may have been the campaigns plan.

Look, it's a VP debate. No one cares about those really, not even me and I'm a Wonk. I watch them because I'm way more into politics than most people. I'm not mainstream at all.

Point and laugh later, there's a reason I'm saying this. Other than a day of minor Pence won silliness,we're going to get more mileage out of this post factcheck.

I won't lie and say I was personally impressed by Pence, but is delivery isn't my style. He was too calibrated and his rhythm was too manufactured for me.

He did fine for the RNC tonight, but he didn't win any undecided votes or sway anyone else. He was pure boring partisan milquetoast.

Just my gut opinion.

[Wounded Bear]

13. I agree, he did fine...nt

[Hortensis]

28. His tactic seemed to be to fill all possible air time with his answers,

leaving little room for calling him out. He kept talking when Kaine responded to try to crowd him out. And, of course, leaving little room for the audience to consider what lies so many statements were.

[duncang]

14. The next debate

I can see Hillary asking dipshit about the russian/syria differences between him and pence. You know anytime someone especially someone who is supposed to be working for him disagrees. He seems to go over the edge. If she plays it right. Saying something like "Mike Pence your running mate disagrees with you views of the Syria conflict and Russia." Or " Mike Pence lied about you saying xxxx." And maybe could leave it there and see if he starts trying to figure out what or some kind of excuse. It could bring up something he thinks is the worst thing. There are other things that turned up along the line O'Donnell brought up which will be good ads.

[Wounded Bear]

15. Agreed...

but in the town hall format, it may be harder to bring up. But there are several points where Pence went quite a ways off the reservation compared to what Trump has said.

[ailsagirl]

16. Lawrence is the cerebral voice of reason (IMO)

Thank God for him!

[Wounded Bear]

17. I like him, for sure...nt

[Mamajami]

43. My favorite!

[calimary]

19. Kaine was a little bit aggressive, but he did have all the facts on his side.

I kept noticing how many damn times Mike Pence sat there and shook his head "no, no, no", visually denying what Kaine was saying. Kaine was repeatedly right on the facts. Pence was claiming otherwise. And all you have to do is go to the video. There's plenty of proof available out there. Several people offering post-debate commentary pointed that out - one of them saying that too many of these Trump quotes Tim Kaine was bringing up are so burned in by now - so obvious and well-established that everybody knew they were true, no matter how many times Pence denied them or shook his head in disagreement.

[4lbs]

20. I said that very same thing in several other threads tonight.

Wait for the next few days when the Hillary campaign uses Pence's denials in campaign ads showing he too lied.

[rockfordfile]

21. Kaine won

Then again it was only Mike Pence a far right nut job.

[Sunny05]

22. Yea! nt

[fleabiscuit]

23. Maybe he was watching Twitter.

Early into the debate Ezra tweeted:

Ezra Klein? @ezraklein
It sort of works in the debate, but Pence shaking head, saying "no he hasn't" is going to look bad in ads next to Trump saying those things

I found watching the Twitter feeds more enjoyable than tv.

[Maru Kitteh]

24. True! nt

[ffr]

25. Whomever helped Kaine prep did a masterful job at preparing him.

Facts. Comes across with a plan and knows specifics. Had Pence covered on every subject, so much so, he was dropping zingers.

I actually felt sorry for Pence. He looked uncomfortable and was having difficulty spewing out his rehearsed lines.

Clinton-Kaine are 2 - 0.

[Wounded Bear]

26. Is kind of out of character for him...

he's usually nicer.

[ffr]

30. VP are the pitbulls. They do the dirty work

Kaine stepped up and answered the call. I liked what I saw.

[Wounded Bear]

31. No argument here...nt

[_ClaraBarton]

27. Sorry, no feelings of sorrow for mp.

He sold whatever he called a soul when he hooked up with the orange freak.

[SunSeeker]

29. K & R

[Wounded Bear]

32. Wow, I made the trending window...

[Divine Discontent]

33. Yay, WB!

Provide a good bit of info, and that'll occur. & rec #64

[Adrahil]

34. #thatmexicanthing. NT

[Bernardo de La Paz]

35. Expect many 1-2-3-4 vid montages: tRump, Kaine "he said", Pence "no he didn't", Kaine "it's on vid".

Maybe even 1-2-3-4-5 with tRump reprised for #5.

Might even get a few 1-thru-6 sequences if there is video of tRump denying something he said and Pence denies it too.

[CrispyQ]

36. I want a video of Pence shaking his head like a bobble doll.

[lonestarnot]

37. Lawrence always makes good points. He is a very smart man.

[Gothmog]

38. I will be watching the Last Word tonight

It will be fun

[SunSeeker]

47. +1

[Politicub]

39. Kaine had a mission heading into the debate

If it was to keep Pence on the defensive, he achieved it.

[toddwv]

41. Now that people are a bit mre familiar with Pence

it's time to start including his extreme views in the political ads on occasion.

[Wounded Bear]

42. Absolutely agree...

he's good for the fundie base Republicans, but I don't think the majority of Americans will want to see him in power, I hope.

They missed the LGBTQ issues completely in the debate, but there is plenty of copy out there, I'm sure, that evidences his attacks on gays and transgender people.

[DAMANgoldberg]

45. I would have like to have seen it...

However, Mike Pence is not running for President. Besides, I can nearly guarantee the subject will come up on Sunday and Trump will have to answer. I know his record, the citizens of the Hoosier state know his record. And Mike Pence is playing from the Sarah Palin playbook, get out of a losing situation at home, lose the VP race, then become a grifter for the next 3 years before 2020.

[lady lib]

46. And besides that Trump is all butthurt today because Pence upstaged him. (nt)

[ailsagirl]

48. Am looking forward to watching Lawrence tonight!