***** LIVE stream 2016 Vice Presidential Debate - Thread II *****

[Coyotl]

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**** LIVE stream 2016 Vice Presidential Debate - Thread I *****

[IamTheNoodle]

1. Pence looks like a crash test dummy

Has anyone made images of him as one?

[BumRushDaShow]

3. !!!!!

[ailsagirl]

23. Before or after a crash?

Couldn't find any pence crash test dummy images... yet

[lillypaddle]

64. LOL, you got it! nt

[BootinUp]

65. I think from the neck up he's Johnny Quests father - minus brains/courage. nt

[calimary]

116. Welcome to DU, IamTheNoodle!

Mike Pence keeps reminding me of Nancy Reagan and her "worshipful gaze" - every time she looked at her dear darling Ronnie with a facial expression that said "SIGH! SWOON!" I watch his eyebrows and his swooning eyes, especially as he gazes up at Donald Trump when they're together. This seems to be a facial thing for him. He's doing it during this debate, too.

[wisteria]

129. Omg, that is so funny.

[underpants]

2. Quijano had to re-ask the question to Pence.

[Joanie Baloney]

7. Quijano

Elaine Quijano.

[underpants]

15. Sorry I tried to edit it

Will try again

[SaschaHM]

4. I mean... I wish Kaine wasn't interrupting so much...

but I like him taking Pence to the woodshed.

[BumRushDaShow]

9. He has to be on the offensive

This was something that people trashed Obama on when he did his first debate - not being aggressive enough.

[chillfactor]

38. very true....

I agree....Kaine has to push Pence into a corner and make him squirm.....I do not mind Kaine interrupting at all...it need be done to stop they lying BSer Pence.

[underpants]

11. He's not letting Pence get on a roll

It is a bit unnerving but I see what he is doing

[KewlKat]

12. he can't stand to hear pence lie and he wants to correct the lie

he's also a very passionate person and he's seen how pence and drumpf have treated Hillary..............I'd be hard to hold back as well........

[narnian60]

16. +1

[RKP5637]

36. 1, n/t

[calimary]

125. And Mike Pence is doing his share of interrupting and talking over Kaine as well.

He sounds so damn sanctimonious, it's really rather nauseating.

[Blue Idaho]

17. He's giving him a taste of the Trump Treatment. nt.

[liberal N proud]

18. If he doesn't, the lies go unchecked

You know the media will not do it

[still_one]

21. I suspect it is the strategy

[femmocrat]

5. This is practically unwatchable.

The constant interruptions are awful. The moderator told them to quit it, but they started again. I am disappointed in Kaine for resorting to that.

[SHRED]

14. I think he's coming across rude

[wisteria]

132. Pence too?

Debates are not as they once were. There is to much dirt being slung that needs to be addressed and challenged.

[DinahMoeHum]

6. Kaine is putting Pence on the spot

re Pence voting to privatize Social Security.

All Pence wants to do is talk tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts.

In short, Pence wants to bring back Reaganomics.

[Coyotl]

8. Is the moderator interrupting too much?

[femmocrat]

27. Not enough, IMO.

Maybe it is the format, but they disregarded her direction to stop talking over each other.

[djsunyc]

10. hmmm

it looks like clinton/kaine has decided to make kaine the attack dog since pence is a bit more passive and soft spoken.

while hrc just lets trump be trump and let him hang on his own words. i'm not a fan of the interrupting...but i guess the difference is that kaine at least knows what he's talking about.

[liberal N proud]

25. It works

[nolabear]

13. I'm not sure either of them is going to move the meter any.

They're going at it about as I'd expect.

[procon]

19. Kaine, stop interrupting so much!

He knows better. Damn! this ain't his first rodeo. It just makes him seem desperate and he looks a bit frazzled.

[KewlKat]

20. i think the person gets a question, gets 2 minutes to respond, then I think the other gets like 2

mins and then it's to be a discussion.........problem is the discussion part they are talking over each other........

[underpants]

28. Kaine established that it is a discussion

There are no time limits per

[uponit7771]

22. Kaine, just let him walk himself into fact check... right now "law and order" is a racist term

... and then just smash his mouth on that !!!

[underpants]

24. Pence "There they go again" *DUD*

[Coyotl]

29. I wonder how many times he practiced that? LOL.

He's watched to many debate videos ... guess he wasn't paying attention when Trump said "Check out the porn."

[dhol82]

39. Yup

Dud is what it sounded like.

[napi21]

123. Trying the Reagan line. Failed. nt

[trueblue2007]

26. i think Kaine needs to stop interrupting so much. Let the idiot GOPig answer then tear his argument

[still_one]

30. I wouldn't count on it. They decided this will be their strategy right or wrong

[Coyotl]

34. There is supposed to be some discussion and Pence is hogging the time.

[KewlKat]

40. agree....so Tim is damned if he interrupts or not.

[Marthe48]

45. If Kaine doesn't interupt

Pence will just keep blathering. Some people don't know how to have a discussion. They just keep blatting, like Pence is.

[herding cats]

50. It's mostly being done in a conversational way.

Not always, but mostly at least. Which isn't the same, and is much better than when they were talking over one another. That was annoying.

[Foggyhill]

48. Letting someone lie is never good

Trump didn't lose because he was interrupting but because he was wrong in his interjections

[Raidel]

31. Biden was also a big interruptor

During the 2012 vp debate

[JI7]

42. But Biden has the perSonality where it doesn't come off badly

[bullwinkle428]

32. Pence attacking Black Lives Matter without using their name.

[KewlKat]

41. the racism is showing

[.99center]

33. If the moderator refuses to respect the truth and step in to correct the record

It's up to the candidate, go get em Kaine!

[uponit7771]

35. Good Kaine... make PENCE defend the stupid positions !!! GOOD !!!

[Nevernose]

37. Bashing the concept of institutional racism is a winning strategy for Pence

He's already lost the minority vote. They're just fighting for undecided white voters at this point.

[KewlKat]

43. I can't for the life of me understand how anyone is still undecided at this point

[uponit7771]

51. Polled undecideds usually are the last to pay attention to the election, most of us got an A in..

... civics class who are paying attention to the primary

[DinahMoeHum]

57. I dunno, he's basically saying that the issue doesn't exist.

He's in deep denial.

[Nevernose]

85. That's a summary of the entire conservative movement

[RKP5637]

44. Pence must not listen to Trump speeches.

[uponit7771]

46. EXCEPT FOR WHITE MEN !!!

[KewlKat]

47. undocumented is "illegal" to pence

man I can't stand pence

[RKP5637]

54. Pence, is a spooky dude. n/t

[Coyotl]

49. Kaine is so well prepared and just put Trump through the wringer. Beautiful.

[exboyfil]

52. Kaine totally missed the opportunity

of bringing up the pardon of Keith Cooper.

So far I am not impressed.

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/mike-pence-refuses-to-pardon-indiana-man-for-crime-he-did-not-commit/

[still_one]

60. I am not watching, but if that is so, it is a missed opportunity

[Chicago1980]

53. Undocumented immigrants don't drive down wages...

Cheap ass employers do.

I want the democrats to ask, if these immigrants drive down wages, how much will these employers pay American citizens to do the work?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

55. Kaine laid out Trump's insults and lack of RESPECT from the top, ** brilliantly **

[elleng]

63. and followed up.

[underpants]

56. I think Kaine is baiting Trump to tweet

Plus he's not letting Pence get o a roll.

[Marthe48]

58. Pence said 'catch and release'

regarding illegal immigration. That is such a dehumanizing insulting slur. Refers to sport fishing and hunting, not people.

[underpants]

61. Watching on delay. WOW

[KewlKat]

68. catch and release usually refers to animals.........and they are only released after being altered.

pence is so disrespectful. What a term to refer to humans.

[Sparkly]

59. Good Lord, is there a MODERATOR in the room??!!???

If so, could she say something after reading a question??!!!

She might as well say, "Immigration. Go ahead."

[uponit7771]

62. IF you're supporting a racist then shit... what folk SUPPOSED to think!?

[uponit7771]

66. NO THEY DID NOT !!!

[RKP5637]

67. Pence, looks like a Gulag commander or something. Spooky person! n/t

[Coyotl]

74. I'm getting that scary, frightening police state of real hate feeling.

[RKP5637]

82. Exactly! Like militarizing the local/state police to drag people out in the night. n/t

[uponit7771]

69. Now POINT OUT PENCE DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION about forcible removement !!!

[uponit7771]

70. Good, wrap tRump around Pence's neck !!!

[Coyotl]

71. Scary how Trump/Pence can be so hateful.

[Johnny2X2X]

72. Kaine is going after Trump on every issue

You cannot run from Trump's words.

[Coyotl]

91. Trump is taking a real spanking from Kaine. Time to check Trumps tweets tonight.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump

Donald J. Trump ?@realDonaldTrump 17 minutes ago
"@ifdanyt: @realDonaldTrump Loving @mike_pence he's so likeable and sensible. Kaine is just talking bull!

[avebury]

73. Kaine is sailing along right now.

He is great!

[uponit7771]

81. +1, he doesn't have to interrupt Pence... just Pence walk himself into stupid

[sinkingfeeling]

75. Did Pence imply that all violence in the result of 'illegal

Imigrants'.?

[ALBliberal]

76. Hillary by far is the best debater

If the four. Somehow this is hard to watch.

[BlueStater]

77. Did Kaine just say "big league" (or is that "bigly")?

LOL.

[BootinUp]

78. Kaine just literally stunned Pence!

[helpisontheway]

79. Sounds like y'all think Kaine is losing

because he comes across as rude. Bummer....hope his performance don't stop Hillary's bounce. Hope there are not a lot of people watching.

[uponit7771]

83. No, just let Pence walk himself into the stupid... he's doing that now and it better than the first

... half hour

[Bernardo de La Paz]

86. Kaine is really hitting his stride and much smoother now. Doing great!

[Satch59]

97. Tim is doing well...

He has command of the facts and his answers are well thought out...

[BootinUp]

115. Yep. nt

[avebury]

88. He is doing really well now.

He has settled down and is staying on point, baiting Trump and not taking Pence's shit.

[Dem2]

89. Yep reading this thread, I have to assume that Kaine got his ass kicked

I'm not watching it, so this is the impression I'm getting.

[uponit7771]

95. He wouldn't let Pence walk himself into the stupid, he's doing way better now... not great first

.. half hour ... he's kicking as now

[Nevernose]

92. I think Pence sounds rude

Totally filibustering. Don't know if that's reality or my admitted bias, though.

[DinahMoeHum]

93. Kaine doesn't have to do anything but hold his own

The onus is on Pence to polish the ripe, stinking turd that is TrumpleThinSkin.

[Pathwalker]

111. Watching with it muted, Pence looks very angry, while

Kaine looks cheery and affable.

[phylny]

80. Pence is just as snarky as his boss.

"Did you work hard on that?"

You bet he worked hard.

[riversedge]

84. I hear a Cheney type meaness in gov. Pence

[meadowlark5]

87. "did you work on that a long time?"

What a dick. Why does Pence and Trump insult people who are prepared for a debate? And Pence doesn't think he is scripted and polished from his 3 months of lying on screen for Trump?

[Coyotl]

98. Being an asshole comes naturally for both Trump and Pence, the lying too.

[RKP5637]

100. Pence and Trump are used to talking to and coercing stupid people. They can't comprehend

talking/seeing someone smart who tells them they're F'ed up!

[Bluestar]

90. Pence, mugging and smirking, interrupting and rolling his eyes

Just like Trump. What a dick!

[nolabear]

94. I Might be giving the edge to Pence. Kaine's not bad but in comparison to Trump Pence is a pro.

[Coyotl]

101. the fact checkers won't have that sense of this debate. Pence lies.

[nolabear]

106. I hope they are on it.

[uponit7771]

105. First half hour only, now Pence's isn't answering questions and sounding defensive

[annabanana]

96. Someone get the fact checkers some coffee

I can't listen,
Has Pence said one true thing yet?

[Chicago1980]

99. HA!!!

Kaine just hit Pence on the Syrian refugee ban that he tried to implement in Indiana which was just struck down.

[nolabear]

102. The weird thing is, when Trump's not actually saying it, what he says is easy to deny.

It's so utterly unbelievable. When Pence says "No he didn't say that" even when he did, it's too easy for someone who doesn't follow this to believe him.

[djsunyc]

103. so far

kaine is destroying on policy, facts and showing how bigoted trump is while pence is trying to tell stories and use general terms.

kaine is being specific with a clear plan. pence is speaking in generalities.

unfortunately, this debate won't change trump voters minds but the hope is that all the undecideds are sold by the guy that's speaking in specifics and not in generalities.

[uponit7771]

108. +1, First 15 mins weren't great for Kaine but now Pence has to own tRump

[underpants]

109. I agree

And Welcome to DU

[RKP5637]

120. Yep!!! Agree!!! n/t

[avebury]

104. Pence: You to err on the safety of the American people.

I would ask him - And how do you think that concept wored out for the Japanese-Americans who were thrown in internment camps in WWII?

[OhZone]

107. Rude? I think the thing is that Kaine doesn't want to come off as weak.

I remember Lieberman sucking up to Cheney in 2000.

It helped Bush.

So be rude Kaine!

Go get 'em!

[Sophiegirl]

110. Of course.......

EMAILS!!!!!!

[GWC58]

112. I heard Pence say

we're "going to enforce the law." Hmmm, I wonder what he meant by that? I guess it could be anything! Pence is the perfect running mate for the Orange sociopath. To

[nolabear]

113. I'll give the mod credit; she's trying.

[TCJ70]

119. Neither of the four of them seems to have too much respect for the moderators...n/t

[Bernardo de La Paz]

114. "You don't get to decide, we have a justice system" -- Pence crushed.

[Coyotl]

117. ***** LIVE stream 2016 Vice Presidential Debate - Thread III *****

As the moderator has to break up the Pence's email server break-out.

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[nolabear]

118. I wish Kaine would ask where on earth Trump plans to get the money for these programs.

[RKP5637]

124. And cut taxes at the same time, and also be so damn proud of not paying taxes

to support this country!

[elleng]

121. 2 attack dogs.

They're both doing their jobs.

Next: Ice cream and Kahlua!

[Rose Siding]

122. Need broad shoulders to feel safe, huh Mike?

I'll take the broad's shoulders, thanks, you anachronistic fool.

[RKP5637]

126. Excellent description of Pence, "an anachronistic fool." n/t

[kurt_cagle]

127. Pence political future

Remember that Kaine''s political future is tied to Hillarys, but Pence knows full well Trump is a sinking ship. This debate positions Pence for 2020 either president or senate, and he's aware of that.

[procon]

128. Trump's Live Tweeting is a dud.

It looks like he's just doing re-tweets.

[LZ1234]

130. Pence shaking his head whenever Kaine speaks

.... very annoying

[tblue37]

131. Good. Kaine hitting them on admiring Putin and thinking that being a dictator is the same as

being a lklkeader.

[Alameda]

133. lie lie lie...

I want a trap door or paint balls when they lie.

[womanofthehills]

134. Pence is a Christian who lies and lies

[Alameda]

135. FWIW

....the idea that a fetus is a human is not in every religion.