2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumMike Pence, Postmodern Evangelical Catholic Conservative
Not long ago, evangelicals and Catholics hated each other. So how can vice presidential candidate Mike Paine describe himself as an evangelical Catholic? Because hes a product of his times.
JAY MICHAELSON
10.03.16 1:00 AM ET
When Mike Pence and Tim Kaine take the stage tomorrow night in Farmville, Virginia, the vice presidential debate will be a showdown between two very unconventional Catholics.
Kaine, as is well known, is a progressive Catholic whose focus on the churchs social gospel was sharpened during a years mission in Latin America. But while media coverage of Indiana Governor Mike Pence has tended to depict him as a standard right-wing conservative Christian, this label belies the complexity of his own spiritual journey.
To be sure, Pences views are beloved of the Christian Right, and anathema to progressives. He is perhaps the most anti-choice, anti-LGBT governor in the nation, going out of his way to find innovative ways for the state to impose conservative Christian moral views on everyone else.
But Pence is also very much a creation of the last half century of American political-religious life. Born and raised Catholic, he became a Catholic youth minister and reportedly wanted to be a priest. But according to interviews Pence has given over the years (interestingly, he has more recently declined to talk specifically about his spiritual evolution), while in college from 1978-81, he began blending his Catholicism with Evangelical Protestantism. I made a commitment to Christ, Pence said. Im a born again, evangelical Catholic.
Interestingly, Pences religious evolution came at precisely the time evangelical Catholic ceased to be an oxymoron.
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/03/mike-pence-postmodern-evangelical-catholic-conservative.html
Sanity Claws
(21,849 posts)He seems more premodern, maybe medieval.
Blue Idaho
(5,049 posts)You can ask the people in the state he just demolished before escaping into the Trump campaign.
Moostache
(9,895 posts)I concur...when I was there in July the roads in northern Indiana have devolved into a state of disrepair that would make them impassable in a few more years. And that is the tip of the iceberg with him. His policies and religious-infused misjudgement make him dangerous, but his hitching the wagon to Trump make him terrifying.
Trump wants ZERO to do with actually being president...he plans to give the VP the majority of the legislative and governing agendas and that would make Pence the de facto President of the United States.
I am aghast that I cannot get more people to recognize exactly what is happening here in this election. It is really very scary stuff...it is the creation of a change in the power structure of the government...converting the Presidency into some kind of weird ceremonial position while the Vice-President becomes a Prime Minister-style position with the added ability to break any tie votes in his own favor.
It is radical stuff, and it is not getting talked about AT ALL!
Blue Idaho
(5,049 posts)BSdetect
(8,998 posts)and deserves to be expunged from the planet.
Take a tour of the vatican. Gold, jewels, art works and that is the tip of the iceberg.
Hypocricy writ large.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)Pence denies global warming.
Pence denies tobacco causes lung cancer.
Pence denies rights to LGBTQ.
Do not let the US get Pencetrated.