2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe most shocking part of Donald Trump’s tax records isn’t $916 million loss being talked about
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Title edit: "talked," not "talkied."
From Allan Sloan, who used to write for Fortune. Neither Donald Trump nor any of his ITT Technical Institute-trained CPAs will be able to pull the wool over the eyes of Allan Sloan.
Break out your Accounting 101 textbooks. You'll need them.
Full disclosure: I am not an accountant, but my family is full of them.
[font color=red]Also full disclosure: I have a 401(k) and an FSA. I am playing catchup with my 401(k) funding. I went through this year's FSA in no time, so next year's amount will be bigger. My IRA is a Roth IRA, which is funded with after-tax money. I take all the deductions that I am allowed.[/font]
I haven't read any articles that have said that Trump isn't doing anything that violates the tax code. He is doing what I am doing, only on an immensely larger scale. I, though, am willing to disclose that I am enjoying the full use of all my allowable deductions.
By Allan Sloan October 2 at 4:22 PM
Despite what Donald Trump says, we really can learn a lot from his tax returns even from the partial ones made public by The New York Times.
The major takeaway from the three pages of Trumps 1995 returns that the Times made public is that Trump is right when he says the system is rigged. What he doesnt say is that its rigged in his favor and in the favor of people like him and against regular people, those of us who earn money, pay income tax on it, and financially support the country in which we live. ... To keep things relatively simple, Im telling you what I see in Trumps returns, based on my decades of experience parsing financial filings. I will try not to get bogged down in numbers and technicalities.
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Sure, the $900 million-plus of losses reported by the New York Times losses that could be used to offset income for a total of 18 years are totally shocking. Legal, yes. But shocking. ... But theres something I consider even more shocking although it involves a much smaller number.
By my read of the Trump tax return published by the New York Times, he would have been tax-free because of a $15,818,562 loss reported on Line 11 of the return under Rental real estate, royalties, partnerships, S corporations, trusts, etc. It looks to me that this loss reflects the outrageous, special tax break that real estate developers that people like Trump can get, but that the rest of us cant. ... To give you the brief version, people who qualify as real estate developers or managers can use depreciation deductions to offset non-real-estate income. But people who dont qualify for this special treatment cant do that. (For full details, ask a tax expert about Section 469 of the tax code.)
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Allan Sloan is a columnist for The Washington Post. He is a seven-time winner of the Loeb Award, business journalism's highest honor.
Well, gee, it looks as if someone can too understand the tax return of someone of Trump's unimaginable wealth.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)no_hypocrisy
(46,117 posts)The $916 million "loss" was based on personal guaranties, not Trump's own money.
Like John Connally, the former governor of Texas, Trump had millions of dollars signed away in personal guarantees. The personal debt on the Trump Shuttle alone was $135 million. Bear Stearns had been guaranteed $56 million for Trumps Alexanders and American Airlines positions. The Taj Mahal casino had a complicated set of provisions which made Trump responsible for $35 million. Trump had personally guaranteed $125 million for the Plaza hotel. In West Palm Beach, Trump Plaza was so empty it was nicknamed the Trump See-Through. That building alone carried $14 million worth of personal debt. Trumps mansions in Greenwich and Palm Beach, as well as the yacht, had been promised to the banks for $40 million in outstanding loans. The Wall Street Journal estimated that Trumps guarantees could exceed $600 million. In one astonishing decade, Donald Trump had become the Brazil of Manhattan.
http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/2015/07/donald-ivana-trump-divorce-prenup-marie-brenner
underpants
(182,826 posts)What the asset is depends on how long it is depreciated. In some cases you can change depreciation methods with proper pre-approval which could be walkathon they did here.
Mamajami
(257 posts)that has been paid for by the 1% (ALEC) and others. The house of cards is about to topple once people become outraged enough to require tax reform that benefits the middle class and removes the loop holes. The wealthy still bitch and complain about high taxes when in fact their complaining is a cover for keeping our attention from the FACT that they actually pay little or NO taxes at all.
BRING IT!!! People need to be told that if they want a fair tax code they will have to elect Democrats to Congress and keep the RW GOP out of office and out of the governorships.
IMO, the bigger takeaway is he just outed the wealthy and corporations that have been screwing everyone over for years. Austerity my ass, there went raises, healthcare and more.
Now it will get interesting to see the overall fallout