Pence: Condoms are "too modern and too liberal"

[Tanuki]

Ahead of this week's vice presidential debates, I was researching Pence's stances on various issues and found this:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2016/08/mike-pence-condoms-are-too-modern/?ref_widget=popular&ref_blog=dispatches&ref_post=kellyanne-conway-and-the-art-of-double-speak
"Donald Trump’s running mate is a dangerous Christian extremist who wants creationism taught in public schools and believes the government should pay for gay conversion therapy.

In addition, in 2015, as Governor of Indiana, Pence allowed an HIV outbreak to spread, choosing prayer over a clean needle exchange.

But perhaps one of the most idiotic claims made by Pence is that condoms are too “modern,” too “liberal,” and offer a poor defense against sexually transmitted infections and diseases.

Pence’s bizarre and unsubstantiated claims concerning condoms came in 2002, in response to then-Secretary of State Colin Powell saying in an MTV forum that sexually active young people should protect themselves with condoms." (more at link)

[rbrnmw]

1. reminds me of a nun in HS

[shenmue]

2. I didn't know condoms had political beliefs

[saltpoint]

3. This is a glimpse of Pence's very dark and

Medieval mindset.

He's bad news from the word 'go.'

[CaliforniaPeggy]

4. As if we needed ANY more reasons to vote against the R ticket.........

This Fool sure supplies us with them.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

5. Pence is {Dominionist} christian 1st, conservative 2nd, Republican 3rd. USA citizen not close.

He has given that 1st-2nd-3rd list in that order more than once.

[wishstar]

14. True Dominionist Fundies like Pence denounce all birth control except abstinence

Although brought up Catholic, I was shocked to discover from a neighbor friend who attends a Presbyterian Church of America nearby that modern conservative Protestants such as PCA not only do not allow women to be ministers or elders but they do not believe women should have control of their reproduction and that men should not be encouraged or expected to use condoms either. Rather, they teach that women should submit to will of their husbands in such matters.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

19. Pence is only a mouthpiece for that steadfast god-fearing christian Donald J tRump

You know, the one with the stable marriage to Ivana. The guy who pays his share of taxes, who has never seen a "sex tape", who doesn't sell wine and vodka, the one who went to West Point and served in Vietnam. tRump who is so respectful of women, minorities, and those less advantaged than himself.

Oh.

[napi21]

20. HA! That's what I was taught in Catholic School by the nuns.

I must admit, even though I was raised Catholic and completed 12 years of school there, I thought it was pretty weird that they were teaching all these young girls that they had to ALWAYS submit to their husband's wishes.

I'm old now, and teaching stuff like that is ridiculous. I'm glad most people don't subscribe to it.

[MyOwnPeace]

33. "subscribe to it?"

Hell's Bells - we've got people running for offices (school boards, congressmen both state & federal, senators, both state and federal) who campaign insisting it be taught in schools!!!!
And, SO sad to say, some of them get elected!!!!

[napi21]

43. Well, I think they are DEAD WRONG! I can also speak from exoerience since we've been married for

51 years. We both try to do whatever pleases the other, but SUBJET TO...NEVER! If either of us had believed the other was "their subject" I doubt our marriage would have made it to ONE year!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

6. Pence also gave speeches about tobacco not a health problem, not especially a cause of cancer. . nt

[wishstar]

7. Too many people don't realize he is a dangerous "wolf in sheep's clothing"

He seems so mild mannered and blandly genial that he has fooled quite a few who aren't paying attention

[Proud Liberal Dem]

8. For anybody

Who thinks that a Trump Presidency wouldn't be a big deal because even a Republican Congress would eventually throw him out (ha ha), they obviously haven't considered that a Pence Presidency would NOT be any kind of improvement.

[muriel_volestrangler]

9. "modern"? They're older than the United States

A man famously indelicate in his choice of female companions was one James Boswell, best known as the biographer of Samuel Johnson. Born into a family of lowland Scots gentry in 1740, he was heir to a large estate in Ayrshire. Although Boswell lived in Edinburgh where he worked as a lawyer, he made frequent trips to London, which was where most of his philandering took place. His diary records regular sexual encounters with numerous prostitutes, and the ensuing bouts of painful venereal infections. In fact, he contracted venereal disease from his very first sexual encounter. To give an idea of his sexual activities: between the ages of 20 and 29, he slept with three married gentlewomen, four actresses, managed a fling with Rousseau's mistress, kept three mistresses and had connections with at least 60 streetwalkers. His sexual appetite was uncommonly large and his friends tended to regard his frequent infections as something of a joke.

Boswell used an animal gut condom in his liaisons with prostitutes, but not consistently enough to avoid 19 or more attacks of gonorrhea. He mentions condoms fairly frequently, however, usually referring to them as "machines" or as "armour". For example, one diary entry from Boswell reads:

"Tuesday 10 May 1763
At the bottom of the Haymarket I picked up a strong, jolly young damsel, and taking her under the arm I conducted her to Westminster Bridge, and then in armour complete did I engage her upon this noble edifice. The whim of doing it there with the Thames rolling below us amused me much."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jun/13/james-boswell-history-gonorrhoea

[pansypoo53219]

42. think they had them during roman times.

[HenryJ]

10. Oh but Trump needed to "balance" the ticket. n/t

[riversedge]

11. Pence does not the history of condoms!

[Stuart G]

12. OH MY...can't be true..???

Condoms too new?
For a few.
for a screw?
For you?

Mr. Pence..
You have no brain
You are insane
Please go home
And stay away
For Today...

Drump and You
Are completely gone
So..go away,
and, never come another day...

[randome]

23. Oh, yes.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.[/center][/font][hr]

[ck4829]

13. The heck does that even mean?

What else is too modern and liberal, Half-Pence? Antibiotics? Clean drinking water? ZMapp?

[The_Casual_Observer]

15. Pence's head is the size and color of a baseball

That is all.

[treestar]

16. I remember how fundies were so happy about AIDS

they used it to try to scare people into living their type of sex life.

It was kind of like 911 for the warmongers.

[Else You Are Mad]

28. If Pence ever gets into the white house after Trump...

AIDS, teen pregnancy and STDs will be the new 'heroin epidemic' That is, such will start affecting the kids of rich white people and the rich white people themselves. It then will become a national issue because it finally 'just started ' hurting the upper class.

[beachbumbob]

17. I'm sure Tim Kaine knows this and more

[randome]

24. Now THAT debate should be interesting!

Whereas with Trump, it's already become kind of boring to see what new way he will humiliate himself.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.[/center][/font][hr]

[womanofthehills]

47. More - Pence Twice Voted Against 9/11 First Responders Health Care Bill

In July and September of 2010, Pence voted at least twice against the James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act, which sought to “cover the cost of medical care for rescue workers and others who became sick from toxic fumes, dust and smoke after the 2001 attack on the World Trade Center.”

When it came to “crediting” and respecting 9/11 first responders, Mike Pence was all talk, no action. Voters can’t trust him or Donald Trump to put their health and safety first.n July and September of 2010, Pence voted at least twice against the James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act, which sought to “cover the cost of medical care for rescue workers and others who became sick from toxic fumes, dust and smoke after the 2001 attack on the World Trade Center.”

When it came to “crediting” and respecting 9/11 first responders, Mike Pence was all talk, no action. Voters can’t trust him or Donald Trump to put their health and safety first.

https://americanbridgepac.org/pence-twice-voted-against-911-first-responders-health-care-bill/

[matt819]

18. Oh my

This from Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_condoms

They date back to antiquity.

These clowns want to plunge the US back to the 17th century.

[3catwoman3]

21. How many children does Pence have?

Has he never had sex for any other reason than procreating?

[randome]

25. I would bet money the answer is 'No'.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.[/center][/font][hr]

[rurallib]

22. Makes you wonder if he knows how to use them

they are not of much value unless deployed properly

[Else You Are Mad]

26. Pence is my real worry about this election.

He is a quiet, under the radar far right wing crazy that will become president if / when Trump steps down. If you think Trump would be bad for this country, we would be under Christian laws, to quote Trump, so fast it will make your head spin. Bush, Reagan, et al are minor league compared to Pence.

[exboyfil]

29. Hopefully Tim Kaine can bring out the craziness that his Pence

I was thinking about the double bind that folks face.

Rudy is telling us that everybody commits infidelity (and I presume that those same urges apply to those who are not in a marriage).

Pence doesn't want condoms. Calls for abstinence?

[Else You Are Mad]

31. Those that protest too loudly...

tend to be the worst offenders.

[Missn-Hitch]

34. Agreed.

The Orange Menace just seems a few rants away from a heart attack or stroke. In steps President Pence. Frightening. But, I can't imagine the same country that voted for Obama twice is going to do a COMPLETE 180 and elect these buffoons.

The other side will keep being the "stupid party". Bobby Jindal warned them. Their denial is to our benefit. Hell, I bet Ted Nugent becomes their torch bearer with Duck Dynasty filling in the cabinet.

[Buns_of_Fire]

40. We probably wouldn't have to wait for Rump to buy the farm...

All Dick Cheney jokes aside, let’s remember that the real job of the vice president is actually something like, “being alive on the off-chance the president is not,” not “assuming the duties of the presidency in toto for the duration of the president’s term.” It sort of makes you wonder how Trump envisions the actual role of the country’s chief executive. It certainly made this senior adviser to John Kasich wonder, so he asked Trump’s son what Trump would be doing, if not managing foreign and domestic policy. The response, according to Draper, was: “Making America great again.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-mike-pence_us_578fa289e4b0f180da63defd

[Missn-Hitch]

41. Yep. Pence will handle the legislative branch of the

Make America Great initiative. Indiana is doing GREAT.

Nightmares.

Cheers.

[Hekate]

45. Yes

[colsohlibgal]

27. These Types Are Creepy

I have no problem with folks being religious personally, the problem is them trying to enforce their creepy Dark Age beliefs on the rest of us. Like Pence or any number of Evangelical types. They are nuts.

I do have a big problem with them brainwashing children like the delusional creation park in Kentucky. Newsflash the earth and the universe are billions of years old not 5-6,000 and that is lead solid provable. Teaching creationism, even as an option, in schools is unconscionable.

[exboyfil]

30. Especially since Pence is running

with a crowd where condoms seem like a really really good idea.

[MyOwnPeace]

36. Good one!!!!

[ailsagirl]

32. I look forward to the veep debate

Condoms are "too modern and too liberal" ???

Should be interesting

[Xipe Totec]

35. The history of condoms goes back at least several centuries, and perhaps beyond.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_condoms

[radius777]

37. Kaine is a spiritual person but believes in separation of church and state

unlike the rightwing fundie Pence, who is living in the middle ages.

At the debate I think Kaine will go at Pence (and Trump) harder than most expect. They have avoided confrontation with Kaine (imo) because he is a moderate from an important swing state (VA) and adjacent swing state (NC) that they must win to have any chance of winning the presidency.

[exboyfil]

39. If Kaine plays it right he will have Pence

disavowing Trump. Lots of targets of opportunity.

Iraq - Pence still thinks it was a good idea. That is was not is a primary pillar in Trump's policy position.
Global Warming - Criticism of the conclusion has been disavowed - how will that play in coal country.
Sex and Condoms - Candidate is calling for folks to watch a porn tape, has had affairs in the past, and has his right hand man indicating that everyone is an adulterer.
Evolution - I am still amazed about Pence's loony speech from the floor. I sure would like to see science education discussed.

[Blue Idaho]

38. Bring Back the Buggy Whip!!!

Shit oh dear...

[AgadorSparticus]

44. What a whackadoodle!!!! He and his other evangelical whackjobs need to go back to anonymity

[womanofthehills]

46. And there is the Facebook page - "Periods for Pence" & don't forget cremation for fetuses

Recently changed to Periods for Politicians. Pence is so into women's bodies, woman are calling his office with details about their periods. Pence passed a law that miscarried or aborted fetuses had to be cremated or have a burial.

Pence Signed a Law Requiring Burial or Cremation for Aborted Fetuses
The measure was part of a controversial abortion bill that Trump's vice presidential pick signed this past March.

The sweeping abortion bill that Indiana Gov. Mike Pence signed into law in March gained national attention for prohibiting women from electing to have an abortion due to the race, gender, or disability of the fetus. But the bill contained another unusual provision: It required that aborted fetuses receive what amounts to a funeral.

Pence, whom Donald Trump announced as his vice presidential running mate on Friday, signed the law that made Indiana the second state ever, after North Dakota, to pass a ban on abortions carried out for certain reasons. The law also imposed liability for wrongful death on doctors that perform an abortion motivated by one of the prohibited reasons. And, as Mother Jones reported in March, the law also required that health care facilities inter or cremate the remains of an aborted fetus, and prohibited fetal tissue donation.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/07/trumps-vp-pick-passed-law-requiring-funerals-aborted-fetuses