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What the F is Rachel Maddow getting to? (Original Post) nixonwasbetterthanW Sep 2016 OP
getting reeady to talk about the Newsweek story on Trump & Cuba Greywing Sep 2016 #1
Sometimes we need to let Rachel be Rachel! madaboutharry Sep 2016 #2
Her story build ups can be trying, sometimes Siwsan Sep 2016 #3
And I might then start watching again ... n/t moonscape Sep 2016 #9
That wheel-spinning and the circuitous and and repetitious build-ups are why I cannot tblue37 Sep 2016 #30
It's her way, to provide lots of background, to show historical examples of why a particular thing LeftRant Sep 2016 #38
I know that is what she doing, but.... Siwsan Sep 2016 #39
She started talking about Texas... Wounded Bear Sep 2016 #4
I think it has to do with the bombshell Newsweek article about Drumpf's Cuban embargo violation n/t. lordcommander Sep 2016 #5
You're only 7 minutes in! greyl Sep 2016 #6
Ah, Cuba, yes. Sorry, but 68K is small beans. nixonwasbetterthanW Sep 2016 #7
Doesn't matter. Spending any money violates the embargo. Grammy23 Sep 2016 #10
Yeah, the pro R's are older and the younger Cubans favor Ds or Is. Iliyah Sep 2016 #13
Federal law, broken. Fraudulent use of a charity to knowingly hide it. Actual letter directing.... Hekate Sep 2016 #29
It is still an illegal act. Trump committed a crime. UCmeNdc Sep 2016 #36
Rachel spends 20 minutes beating around the bush comradebillyboy Sep 2016 #8
I like it when she makes drinks metroins Sep 2016 #11
I like her style. There are plenty of news readers. She more artistic. nolabear Sep 2016 #12
I tend not to watch the first block anymore. Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #14
I really enjoy Rachel..... chillfactor Sep 2016 #15
When the kids were really young, they'd roll their eyes and say spiderpig Sep 2016 #17
Ya see, I think we need more of that. Adrahil Sep 2016 #18
I have to agree. ReformedGOPer Sep 2016 #24
I really like that about Rachel, I find it informative and entertaining lunamagica Sep 2016 #27
+ a brazillion. nt tblue37 Sep 2016 #31
that's my favorite part of her show. i like the history and context JI7 Sep 2016 #37
Patience and context are very annoying to the modern mind. LanternWaste Sep 2016 #40
she does take the scenic view to a story MFM008 Sep 2016 #16
She's good, but she could cram in five times as much info if she did some editing. nixonwasbetterthanW Sep 2016 #19
i like that she takes the time to setup a story. drray23 Sep 2016 #20
That's fine, but she doesn't need to keep repeating jberryhill Sep 2016 #33
I really like her historical context. Blue Idaho Sep 2016 #21
Skip the first 17 minutes of verbal masturbation. You won't miss anything. stopbush Sep 2016 #22
Winner! Boxerfan Sep 2016 #23
Grandpa Simpson could sit in for her when she's on vacation. LuvLoogie Sep 2016 #25
She is my favorite. Doreen Sep 2016 #26
Loooooooooooooooooooooong bluestateguy Sep 2016 #28
Rachel (like many of us) is a political junkie, radius777 Sep 2016 #32
Well put together, informative pieces are a delight. oasis Sep 2016 #34
Chris Hayes or Joy Reid needs to suggest Rachael take a basic Journalism class at a local school mulsh Sep 2016 #35
Yeah, well. Thank God there are so many other informed liberal TV commentators to choose from. Paladin Sep 2016 #41
Maybe you should try developing an attention span phleshdef Sep 2016 #42

Siwsan

(26,292 posts)
3. Her story build ups can be trying, sometimes
Thu Sep 29, 2016, 09:10 PM
Sep 2016

If she'd get to the point, she'd have much more time for detail.

tblue37

(65,488 posts)
30. That wheel-spinning and the circuitous and and repetitious build-ups are why I cannot
Fri Sep 30, 2016, 12:21 AM
Sep 2016

sit through a Rachel show. Her delivery drives me nuts. I bet she'd increase her audience if she would stop meandering, repeating, and delaying the point.

LeftRant

(524 posts)
38. It's her way, to provide lots of background, to show historical examples of why a particular thing
Fri Sep 30, 2016, 03:54 AM
Sep 2016

has happened before. She and her team research the shit out of things to make sure they're factual and useful. That's her thing.

Siwsan

(26,292 posts)
39. I know that is what she doing, but....
Fri Sep 30, 2016, 08:11 AM
Sep 2016

.... although the background information is interesting, the redundancy of information in her delivery can get slightly annoying. Say it once, and move on. I have noticed that she only seems to do this long, verbose build up on the first story. The rest of the night, she gets right to the point and the segments contain far more detailed, to the point information.

Of course, I'll add this is all 'IMHO'.

Wounded Bear

(58,717 posts)
4. She started talking about Texas...
Thu Sep 29, 2016, 09:11 PM
Sep 2016

she's on Florida now. I think she's tying together the connection between ethnic groups in swing states and presidential candidate gaffes.

nixonwasbetterthanW

(1,317 posts)
7. Ah, Cuba, yes. Sorry, but 68K is small beans.
Thu Sep 29, 2016, 09:14 PM
Sep 2016

Plus, the anti-Castros are dying off, and Trump can spin this as foresighted, given Obama's reach-out.

Read The New Yorker: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/10/03/a-new-cuba

Grammy23

(5,813 posts)
10. Doesn't matter. Spending any money violates the embargo.
Thu Sep 29, 2016, 09:22 PM
Sep 2016

Trump and his surrogates are trying to spin the story to say that because he ultimately decided to not invest in businesses in Cuba he is off the hook. But that is incorrect. The cost of going to Cuba counts as spending money in Cuba and they attempted to hide it as a charitable trip. He did violate the embargo, contrary to what he (and his surrogates) claim.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
13. Yeah, the pro R's are older and the younger Cubans favor Ds or Is.
Thu Sep 29, 2016, 09:26 PM
Sep 2016

The older Cubans are quite sensitive about dealings with Castro which if I read it right happened in the 1990s. That alone will piss off many older Cubans just not in Florida. It was against the embargo plain and simple and 68 thousand is a lot of money for me at least. The President which t-rump has so much disrespect for is the one who lifting the embargo against the approval from Rs and older Cubans.

Hekate

(90,827 posts)
29. Federal law, broken. Fraudulent use of a charity to knowingly hide it. Actual letter directing....
Fri Sep 30, 2016, 12:14 AM
Sep 2016

...the fraud and the breaking of the fed law. This is a string of crimes.

Florida Cubans are still alive, they still vote, and you better believe they still care.

UCmeNdc

(9,601 posts)
36. It is still an illegal act. Trump committed a crime.
Fri Sep 30, 2016, 03:30 AM
Sep 2016

Since when is it not a crime if you break the law? Plus what does this tell you about Donald Trump's character?

comradebillyboy

(10,175 posts)
8. Rachel spends 20 minutes beating around the bush
Thu Sep 29, 2016, 09:14 PM
Sep 2016

before she gets to whatever point she is going to make. I find her approach to be both tedious and irritating so I rarely watch her anymore.

metroins

(2,550 posts)
11. I like it when she makes drinks
Thu Sep 29, 2016, 09:23 PM
Sep 2016

But she is no Olbermann.

Olbermann was funny, Rachel is...kind of annoying.

chillfactor

(7,584 posts)
15. I really enjoy Rachel.....
Thu Sep 29, 2016, 09:28 PM
Sep 2016

she sets up her stories and does a damn good job of it..seems some viewers have no patience as the wait is worth the punch line.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
18. Ya see, I think we need more of that.
Thu Sep 29, 2016, 09:38 PM
Sep 2016

In a world of short attention spans, Rachel gives texture and context.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
40. Patience and context are very annoying to the modern mind.
Fri Sep 30, 2016, 08:15 AM
Sep 2016

Patience and context are very annoying to the modern mind which demands instant and simplistic responses.

drray23

(7,637 posts)
20. i like that she takes the time to setup a story.
Thu Sep 29, 2016, 09:48 PM
Sep 2016

In the process of doing so, she always bring up interesting facts I did not know or had forgotten about it. For example, this evening when she pointed out the giantic gaffe gerald ford made when saying that russia was never dominating eastern europe... The important voting blocks back then were hungarian and polish americans.
I love these kind of stories.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
33. That's fine, but she doesn't need to keep repeating
Fri Sep 30, 2016, 12:39 AM
Sep 2016

It is short attention span theater.

Having watched the previous several minutes, I do not need her to stop and summarize the previous several minutes before advancing to the next several minutes, and then stop again to summarize both of those chunks again, before proceeding to the next, as if I have some sort of short term memory disorder.

I'm sure it works fine if one is stoned, but that's not when I watch the news.

Blue Idaho

(5,057 posts)
21. I really like her historical context.
Thu Sep 29, 2016, 09:49 PM
Sep 2016

I think it's important to take current events out of the vacuum of modern news reporting and place them into the thread of history.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
26. She is my favorite.
Thu Sep 29, 2016, 11:09 PM
Sep 2016

What she is doing is giving history lessons to those who do not know it...you know the ones that were not alive when it happened....you know like the millennials age. I like her humor. Her humor is like Warrens. factual, non invasive, and biting and humorous all at the same time.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
32. Rachel (like many of us) is a political junkie,
Fri Sep 30, 2016, 12:23 AM
Sep 2016

and she enjoys laying out the historical context and details of a particular topic. Many times it can be very good, especially if it's a topic that's interesting to the viewer, but it can be torturous sometimes if it's not.

mulsh

(2,959 posts)
35. Chris Hayes or Joy Reid needs to suggest Rachael take a basic Journalism class at a local school
Fri Sep 30, 2016, 01:19 AM
Sep 2016

or university extension.

I found tonights show unwatchable after about three minutes. This is happening very frequently now. If she's meandering to the point or repeating the same teaser three and four times before moving towards some point because its a slow news day and she has to waste time, I suggest she assign an intern or staff member check out the rest of the country for issues and news items they can use to take up that time.

If Chris, Joy or anyone from MSNBC is reading this please refer Rachael to this local school, I'll be they have pretty good Journalism classes.

[link:http://www.extension.harvard.edu/|

Paladin

(28,273 posts)
41. Yeah, well. Thank God there are so many other informed liberal TV commentators to choose from.
Fri Sep 30, 2016, 08:35 AM
Sep 2016

You Rachel Whiners need to give it a rest. Whatever pacing issues arise on her show on occasion, it's still the smartest liberal hour on TV.

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