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nolabear

(41,991 posts)
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 11:05 AM Sep 2016

I truly don't understand the outrage about the emails. What has happened as a result?

Seriously, inform me if I've missed something. Was there any threat to national security? Were terrible things about Hillary's character, her secret deals with Russia, her secret deals with Wall Street, her health, her stamina, the Clinton Foundation, was ANYTHING underhanded or irresponsible or pathological revealed in any one of those emails? Is there really anything but groundless speculation about what might maybe possibly have been in the deleted emails and has something happened as a result?

Anything? If not, why is it the talking point of the uninformed voter? Why are people so outraged about them, whether Trump's campaign is spinning the paranoia or not?

Help a girl out here.

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RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
1. Absolutely nothing! It's just being used as a republican tool to discredit Hillary. One of my
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 11:10 AM
Sep 2016

friends in law school told me, you're taught to focus on one or two negatives during a trial, right or wrong. If the same thing is repeated and repeated, the jury will often come to believe it's true, right or wrong. The republicans know this tactic well, we see it played out over and over and over again with the emails and Benghazi, for just two examples.

KeepItReal

(7,769 posts)
2. It was not the most secure setup and was not cool for record keeping. But not illegal.
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 11:12 AM
Sep 2016

She wasn't the first to not use State Dept. email exclusively - others used Yahoo or Gmail. She just had her own private email server instead.

Moostache

(9,897 posts)
3. There is less "there" there than anything else EVER!
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 11:18 AM
Sep 2016

It would be a far different story if she was accused (and shown) to have been selling state secrets to Russians to, I don't know, let's say pay off some debts (as the Talking Yam is nearly guaranteed to try in his first 30 days in office).

The "scandals" that the GOP says are so endemic to the Clintons paint them into a corner of their own making...either Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton are two of the most ingenious villains in the history of the world - able to thwart EVERY prosecution and EVERY righteous investigator ever thrown at them...in which case the GOP is shown to be comically inept and untrustworthy of power if they can not use it to stop such rampant criminality even once...OR....the GOP is exposed as being petty, small-minded, vindictive and incapable of governing through their blind hatred of a couple and the ideas of a party not their own, which again makes them unfit to wield power in any way.

Either way, the fact that there are so many anesthetized zombies out there that repeat Clinton "scandals" like zombies spouting "Braaaaaaaiiiiiinnnnsss" is truly horrifying.

There was once a time when people would be embarrassed to spout off bullshit in public because of the righteous ridicule it would earn them...we need to return to a time when people were actually afraid to sound like idiots, so they kept quiet to avoid removing all doubt...

nolabear

(41,991 posts)
6. It's true. Idiocracy is a real thing. And it's here.
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 11:34 AM
Sep 2016

I cannot for the life of me understand how we got here, or if we've been here all along, have stayed here.

C_U_L8R

(45,020 posts)
4. It's a bullshit issue
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 11:19 AM
Sep 2016

Every republican has a private account of some sort,
even though they're not supposed to.

Heck even Mitt Romney and The Bushes torched all their emails
so the public couldn't see what shenanigans they were up to.

Romney...
https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2011/11/17/before-leaving-governor-office-mitt-romney-staff-eliminated-mail-records/xIVEQd87zi0X0tl8KrXKYM/story.html

Bush...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy



Cosmocat

(14,572 posts)
5. I fully understand it
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 11:20 AM
Sep 2016

It is what we have seen repeatedly my entire life.

1) Some vague ass bullshit like Benghazi occurs

2) Republicans did what they do, make it into the worst thing since pearl harbor

3) The media does what it does - breathlessly foment the bullshit

4) The morons in this country do what they do - indulge republicans lies and hyperbole

duncang

(1,907 posts)
8. To put it in context
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 12:20 PM
Sep 2016

The emails were classified the lowest level. Compare that to what Scooter Libby did. He was not supposed to have access to the names of U.S. cia agents. The person who would know that was cheney. When he exposed Valerie Plame he not only exposed her as a cia agent, but also the company she ran as cia cover shop. So he gave out info on multiple cia agents. Something like that and the repub's sat on their hands.

Next both cruz and fiorina may have divulged classified info during the debates. Where is the investigation repub's?
http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/ted_cruz_and_carly_fiorina_may_have_revealed_classified_information_during_gop_debate


Or repub senator shelby his case was turned over to the senate for investigation. How hard do you think the repub's would cover it up?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40886-2004Aug4.html

JHB

(37,161 posts)
10. Simple: It has a dedicated marketing infrastructure...
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 12:37 PM
Sep 2016

...and a lot of willing suckers customers all prepped to buy it.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
12. The e-mail thing was always just a political football, first kicked by Bernie supporters
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 12:59 PM
Sep 2016

and now picked up by Trumpbots.

apnu

(8,758 posts)
13. I get the outrage, but its not about the emails, its because of "her"
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 01:13 PM
Sep 2016

Yes its bad for HRC. There are rules, more implemented for SOS Kerry and forward, about email and the State Department and HRC did ignore State Policy during her time as SoS. And she did take a long time to produce them, when asked, but produce them she did, unlike the Bush Administration which lost 22 million emails, not ever recoverable, a clear violation of the Presidential Records Act. SoS Rice and Powell flat out used whatever they wanted, out of necessity in some cases, out of convenience in others, also not turned over to the National Archives and also in clear violation of the Presidential Records Act.

So there's some dings for HRC on that, but there are far worse transgressions from her predecessors. But the hoopla over her emails and the reaction of "meh" by Republican transgressions is easy to understand.

1) She's a Democrat. And as such she must endure the hypocritical double-standard all Democrats endure. The Republicans can flaunt and ignore the rule of law as much as they please, but everybody else gets the 3rd degree.

2) She's a Clinton. So take #1 above read it again but substitute "Democrat" with "Clinton". The Clintons have dealt with this double-standard going all the way back to Bill's governorship of Arkansas. For reasons that are a mystery to me, power brokers and influencers are terrified by Bill and Hillary Clinton. This includes progressives and liberals as well as conservatives. Clinton hate is real and it is bipartisan.

3) She's a woman. So take #1 above and read it again but substitute "Democrat" with "woman"

And when she's president, these three things will be true for her entire time in the Oval office.

Start getting used to it now, like we've lived with 8 years of racism with President Obama, we will live with 8 years of overt misogyny with HRC.

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