Remember after the first President Obama Romney debate? The media spew their trash

[still_one]

talk how President Obama looked "tired, like he didn't want to be there, and how he desisively lost the debate". They kept on with that theme for a few days, and then Gallop gave us their poll with Romney 50% to President Obama 46%:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/158048/romney-obama-among-likely-voters.aspx

President Obama performed alright in that debate. He may not have showed as much enthusiasm as in the subsequent debates, but spoke directly to the issues, and the media and their talking head distorted and misrepresented what happened, and they harped on that for several days, then did polls showing President Obama losing ground.

This is analougous to what they did to Hillary for the past 10 days. In both cases it is the medias creation of a push poll.

Same garbage about "Hillary's likability". They have been spewing that talking point for years, then do a poll asking people about Hillary's likability

It is so obvious the manipulation that is being done, that it is sickening.

After the distorted view the media created about Hillary, it looks like we are getting back into the fold, and more and more troubling news regarding trump's business and charity interests are now coming to light, that the media will have trouble not reporting it. The tax returns will definitely be revisted, along with his questionable foreign entanglements, if not from the media, then through the Hillary campaign.

I expect Hillary to hit it out of the park during the debate, and things will start to change dramatically in our favor after that. Issues of the Supreme Court, economy, education, foreign relations, and everything else will demonstrate the just how qualified Hillary is, and how unqualifed trump is

[yeoman6987]

1. Had the media not done that, it's possible president Obama wouldn't have improved and lost the elec

In this case, the media helped the president.

[still_one]

2. That wasn't there intention, and President Obama was NOT what they painted him in the first

debate

[Farmgirl1961]

3. I sure hope Clinton knocks it out of the park and it's indisputable by the media

What troubles me is these wackadoodle polls showing all this shifting of swing states that were clearly in Hillary's column. I'm not sure I understand what is going on to cause such shifting.

[vadermike]

6. I hope

She has a strong debate as well these swing state polls are all over the place The only ones who know for sure what is going on the ground is the HRC campaign They haven't acted like they are panicking at least not yet We will know shortly

[LeftInTX]

4. President Obama underperformed at his first debate.

I was surprised at his performance. A great orator, skilled debater, great sense of humor and naturally charismatic. (OK, I love the guy) I remember he was hoo-hum, didn't smile much....

Rumor spread that he hadn't prepared well because he hadn't debated for 4 years. Who knows...maybe he thought his work as president had prepared him.

He improved with the next 2 debates and my favorite comeback line to Romney was "We also have fewer horses and bayonets"

[Ace Rothstein]

18. Indeed. It was one of the very few blunders from Obama in both Presidential campaigns.

It didn't help that moderate Mitt came back that night after running as severely conservative. He basically swapped positions overnight on half of the issues.

[LeftInTX]

5. Clinton's pneumonia was blown way out of proportion

Way, way out of proportion. If she had been alone on the street, she could have simply grabbed a lamp post, caught her bearings and hailed a cab. But SS was there and grabbed her and made it look worse. (I've got bronchitis right now and for a few days, I felt like fainting every time I got up)

However, I did not agree with her deplorables comment. Mainly because as president she will be president of everyone, including all of the deplorables.

I don't know what caused her poll numbers to go down. Was it her stumble that was played over and over or was it the deplorables comment?

I'm glad her numbers are going up.

[still_one]

7. Is someone who is a member of the KKK deplorable? The comment was taken out of context

by the press

People who are racist, sexist, and xenophobic are deplorable

It can be argued if it was politically the prudent thing to say or not, but it sure wasn't treated in the same way when trump or his supporters spewed their hate filled rants at his rallies and speeches, and it is that double standard that is the problem

[LeftInTX]

9. Of course their behavior is deplorable

But most of these people are voters.

We can call them deplorable, but we aren't going to be their president.

So it was not a politically prudent thing to say.
She could have worded it differently. She could have said that Trump is encouraging inappropriate behavior, that he is encouraging racism, that he is dividing the country etc. without calling voters deplorable.

Trump's campaign is based on hate, but we are better than that. Americans expect Democrats to be better.

[still_one]

10. I agree, but it is the double standard that is outrageous

[Farmgirl1961]

8. I hear about numbers going up

But those friggin' polling predictions still lag way behind. They're giving me such a headache. I know I should ignore them, but I feel like I need to see Hillary's %'s come up before I'm feeling less nervous.

I'm planning on signing up with the HRC to make phone calls or do whatever I can from my end of the USA to make sure Hillary is our next president.

[LeftInTX]

11. Go for it!! I did it for Obama and loved it.

It helped me deal with pre-election anxiety.

[still_one]

13. I plan on doing the same thing, call banking. Will be doing it in October

[RockaFowler]

27. It has brought out the real Deplorables

Heck now people are gladly posting their names on Twitter as "deplorable so-and-so"

Then you look at their timeline and yep they are Deplorable.

[JustAnotherGen]

29. I agreed with her on the deplorables comment

She said what I was thinking - and that's why America is already great!

[bluestateguy]

12. I thought it was a draw when I watched it

The media did not agree.

And the next several days were painful to watch.

[still_one]

15. I thought got Obama did alright, and the talking point

"How terrible he was", was way off base

[treestar]

16. I remember that

I pay little attention to the media, and just saw the debate and saw no such thing! Yet even President Obama's supporters were "admitting" it. People let themselves be led by the nose by the media pundits. Some people even make heroes of certain pundits. Amazing that people will let go of their independent intellect.

[still_one]

17. I know. I didn't see it live, but recorded it, and when I went back to view it to see what all

the hair pulling was about, President Obama did OK. He spoke to each question directly, and I sure didn't understand the hysterics going on.

Even playing devil's advocate, and assuming he didn't as well as the media had ranted about, he had already served four years, people pretty much knew where he was on the issues, and I was absolutely dumbfounded that one debate, where he DIDN'T make any mistakes in his answers, major or minor, that the polls could be so influenced by the media.

That is when it first came to me that the media's commentary essentially amounted to a form of push polling.

Kerry's Swift Boating was perhaps the most outrageous example of this, when the media took it about themselves, and aired the swiftboat ads constantly as part of the "news", essentially giving the swift pukes free advertising. That garbage was going on practically every chance they could get.

They tried to do it with President Obama and the Reverend Wright issue, but Obama neutralized it before the media had a chance to take root.

Of course we are all aware of the issues the media has unfairly over played against Hillary, while almost completely ignoring the baggage trump has been involved with.

It is really a sad pathetic commentary on what journalism has become in this country

During the fifties through most of the seventies, the media did not exert much commentary when reporting the news. It has now become almost impossible to distinguish commentary from news reporting, and that is the problem

[treestar]

25. Absolutely. Well summed up.

They try to be the story themselves.

[reflection]

19. I wasn't led around by the nose

and I remember vividly watching that debate and yelling at my TV for Obama to raise his head and at least look up while Romney was looking at him and dressing him down. It reminded me of a schoolboy being admonished by a teacher and looking at his shoes sheepishly. I was in full blown panic mode right after that debate ended. Then Obama beat him soundly in the second debate and took him behind the woodshed in the third one and all was right in the universe again.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

21. He acted a lot different the next debate, didn't he?

And sunk Rmoneys campaign.

"Please proceed...."

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

20. Sorry, but he wasn't good at that first debate

Sure, you can be right on the issues, but there was a lack of fire and certainty and confidence that was totally unexpected, and when you're running for a second term you can't do that.

I always wondered if he had the flu or some bug that week.

[WhollyHeretic]

22. I've always suspected he was sick during that first debate.

Whatever it was, he was not good that night.

[lame54]

24. He took it for granted...

Even he knew that

[democrattotheend]

30. I agree

What he said wasn't bad, but he stumbled a lot and seemed unprepared. I was cringing the whole time.

[lame54]

23. I was super pissed at Obama that night...

He had a chance to put Romney away if he bothered to show up

One of the few times the media got it right

[iandhr]

26. I am sorry. I am POTUS's biggest fan and he was TERRIBLE in that debate.

[PeteSelman]

28. Romney did roll him in the first debate. It is what it is.

He was confident and energetic. He Gish galloped his way across the stage and controlled the narrative. That actually is what happened.

Obama came back and owned him after that.

[NewJeffCT]

31. agreed - Obama did not do well because of Romney's performance

Romney basically did that "etch a sketch" and portrayed himself as a moderate after being an extreme right winger during the primary process. Obama had likely prepared for Primary "Right Wing" Romney, but ended up debating with Massachusetts Governor Romney.

[standingtall]

32. Obama did terrible in the first

debate with Romney that wasn't just media spin. The reason Obama did terrible in the first debate is,because Romney lied through his teeth and Obama let him get away with it. Hilary cannot allow that in her debates with Trump. She cannot rely on the moderator to call Trump out on his B.S. She cannot let his lies go unanswered she has to be ready for it.

Obama was ready for the Romney lies and crushed him in the 2nd and 3rd debate.