2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumfear and loathing of Milennials
Yes, I understand the media does a lot of parading of Milennials who seem to like Stein or Johnson. Keep in mind, the media desperately needed a narrative to sell, that somehow, anyhow, Hillary is not gonna winnnnn! The Bernie campaign fed that, but since Bernie folded up his tent and joined Hillary, the media does not have that, so they need a knock off.
That being said, some are buying into the side effect, thinking that those Milennials are bigots/stupid/stoners/sexists/ etc. You know the tos keeps me from quoting people her on DU, but you will find them. I would ask that people not get suckered into the trap that is being set, especially because the last thing we want is a generation gap. Most Milennials hate trump, precisely because he is the literal embodiment of the older boss that would exploit their labor, fuck them over, and act like they should feel honored for it.
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)All their fault. Entirely. Nothing else at all to blame.
Pathetic.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)all I ask is that some here do not fall for that.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)This sounds like a separate plea for attention.
SpareribSP
(325 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)The point was that a trap is being set and we would be wise not to fall into it. If you do not care, than do not be surprised when you fall into it, and wonder who is coming with the ladders.
BlueStateLib
(937 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)The point was not to assume the media narrative, the same one that lies about clinton every nanosecond, should be believed about Milennials.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)The media picks it up as super significant. But it's the same old shit- they're looking for an excuse not to be bothered to vote. Someone to blame for their inaction.
It's not the first time young voters did this.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)yet you use it to brush off ALL of them.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)They can't read the fucking platforms and make a sensible decision all by themselves are stealing the show and drawing attention to themselves. It's a con job.
It's not most millennials. And nope they are still not the most important segment of the vote- they're just the most convenient tool to whip into Hillary with. Because God knows they won't say anything about old white men.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)OK, I can agree with this, although a lot of these old white men are Boomers. What is really sad is that many of the people who still claim the 60's and 70's as a badge of honor are now some of the biggest Trump supporters.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)I'm aware that is hurts some feelings to say so- but that pales in comparison to the damage they do politically to people who are NOT old white men. It's imperative we be honest about what is going on here. They act live women voters do not even exist. Even now. It's crazy. We vote more than men do.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)especially as sadly the are still a heavy demographic, then as they say in the Lord of the Rings "You have my axe." The sad part is that many milennials and some Genxers take hits, but the people with the MONEY and POWER and yes NUMBERS are still this demographic that dare not be called out for their bullshit.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)It's time to call them on the damage they do.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)and thankfully, it is the most important thing. Keep in mind the reason the media feeds generational warfare is that they know that if the 20 something person laid off and the 60 something person laid off start looking, they will see those who sold their souls for ego trips and start WAILING.
And no, I will not stop until I make damned sure they never, ever get back up.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)demmiblue
(36,863 posts)democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)I have a friend who is usually a Democrat, voted for and donated to Bernie in the primary, and plans to vote for Gary Johnson in November. The rest of her family is libertarian so it's not that surprising. But she did promise me she would vote for Hillary if the polls show a 5 point race or less in her red-leaning state.
Many of my other friends have always been libertarian/Republican leaning and plan to vote for Johnson. The good news on that front is some of them have voted Republican for president in prior years, so voting for Johnson is an improvement for them.
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)I simply told her, Jill Stein will never get enough votes to do any good.. and that her only real choice is to vote for Hillary. She now plans to, when I mentioned, that who ever wins, gets to stack the Supreme court with Judges, which will last a life time.
treestar
(82,383 posts)And people make them sound like they require so much attention and like they are going to make us lose because they are not excited enough and we aren't nice enough to them. I doubt this is true. Baby boomers are more likely to be older white people, they are a bigger threat. I thought Don the Con was doing terrible with them. People who vote third party are going to come from all age groups too. I don't see how it helps Hillary get elected to keep telling us we are not doing enough for the millennials. Most Bernie supporters switched over, and there's no telling that any particular age group is among the holdouts.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)funny as the point of the op was to tell people that "the same media that lies about Hillary every nanosecond" is lying about Millennials. Nice try.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)I post an op telling people not to believe a media narrative, and you go ahead and chant some opinion that does not even have a relation to the op. If Hillary wins, it will not be because of people who write first and read later.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Lets be ourselves and talk about how awesome Hillary is. She actually is pretty dang awesome as are all her policy proposals.
zenabby
(364 posts)Millennials have a condescension for anyone older. They think they are the "thinkers" and "intellectuals" , and everyone else is old and stupid. Someone of huffpost commented that 40 year olds may have wisdom, but 20 year olds have technology and education. Now 40 is considered old! Another frequently heard comment is that "our generation will be left to deal with you, but you will die". Excuse me? A lot of millennials are behaving like spoiled kids who demand attention and feel their thoughts, feelings and needs are more important. I've seen this in teenagers, apparently many don't grow up. It was not that long ago that I was in my 20s, but things sure have changed.
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)Many of whom look down at people younger than them as being "entitled" and "selfish", when ironically both those words describe them to a tee. And they have the unbelievable gall to do this after they overwhelmingly voted for Bush twice and got several thousand members of the millennial generation killed in the pointless wars they supported. And they're now willing, in droves, to hand the country over to Donald fucking Trump.
I couldn't possibly imagine why a lot of young people have little respect for Baby Boomers.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)and dont forget Bush sr. too.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)but these motherfuckers that fucked us into this position refuse to take an iota of the blame for handing us a world that has been plowed harder than a Reno ranch bunny on a Friday night by everyone from oil companies to miners; a sky that you can't see blue without a haze of sepia across it, and an earth that is quite literally tearing itself to pieces trying to get us off it.
Maybe if the same motherfuckers that consistently voted Republican could have been swayed out of it, we wouldn't be in this fucked over situation. Maybe if the same motherfuckers that CONSISTENTLY swore that "we can't run anyone to the left of fucking Eisenhower apparently" grew a fucking spine, we wouldn't be in this fucked over situation.
But nah. If Hillary loses, it'll be heaped on us, because apparently a large contingent of boomers can't take fucking responsibility for themselves.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Quite the opposite. So many of the millennials out there today are great on the issues. It's millennials currently supporting Stein who have marginalized themselves to the point of insignificance. There are so few of them after Sanders and Clinton teamed up to unite the party. The ones left are the backwash of American politics. A good portion of them hold a political ideology much worse than that of "moderate" republicans. I'm talking about the so called liberal isolationists. A truly horrifying, cold, and callous group of people.
My question is, who is getting upset at calling Stein supporters what they are? They are such a small group and shrinking because of failed leadership. Her supporters are lemmings even though so many of them are supporting her simply because it is different. Image is everything to them.
I can't wait until the handful of people supporting the Green Party wake up and realize the damage Stein has done to them. I would like to once again support them as a party. I have always liked an overwhelming majority of their platform.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)because some here just use the term "milennials" which is a slap in the face that those who, after Bernie joined Hillary, did so also. The media wants you to buy the idea that this is a generational thing, whereas it is really a "trump will screw us all" thing.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)"because some here just use the term "milennials" which is a slap in the face that those who, after Bernie joined Hillary, did so also. "
You have to admit that sentence is out there. Way back. By the fence.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)despite their being painted as stein supporters is out there. Telling people not to shoot the people who are on your side, who, like Sanders himself, are working FOR HILLARY NOW, is out there.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,350 posts)Cheers!