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More toxic word salad from Trump
NEW YORK ― Republican nominee Donald Trump cited freedom of expression Monday as a potential roadblock in the fight against terrorism, remarks that set a troubling precedent if hes elected president in November.
While speaking about the recent bombings in New York and New Jersey, Trump suggested that press freedom is preventing law enforcement from arresting the publishers of bomb-making instructions.
I see the other day, and theyre all talking about it so wonderfully, because, you know, its called freedom of the press, where you buy magazines and they tell you how to make these same bombs that I saw, Trump said in an interview on on Fox & Friends. Now people will go crazy, theyll say, Oh Trump is against freedom of the press. Im not against. Im totally in favor of freedom of the press. But how do you allow magazines to be sold?
Trump didnt mention any specific titles, but hes presumably referring to Al Qaedas English-language propaganda magazine Inspire or jihadi websites that publish bomb-making instructions. However, publications such as Inspire are not sold at any mainstream U.S. bookstores or newsstands, as Trump suggests, but can be found on the internet. Its also unclear who is supposedly speaking wonderfully about jihadi propaganda in the context of press freedom, as Trump contends.
We should arrest the people that do that because theyre participating in crime, Trump continued. We should arrest them. Instead they say, Oh no, you cant do anything, thats freedom of expression.
He added that we dont want to touch them because of freedom of speech.
Whats chilling about Trumps remarks isnt his criticism of jihadi propaganda ― which is clearly awful ― but his casual dismissal of freedom of expression and freedom of speech, bedrocks of American democracy, as potentially disposable in fighting terrorism. He presented an ominous scenario on Fox News in which U.S. counterterrorism is being stymied by the First Amendment, though didnt provide evidence to support his assertion. Meanwhile, Trump has repeatedly expressed unwavering support for the Second Amendment and against restrictions on guns.
Mondays comments also follow actions by Trump which have already invited comparison to autocrats like Russian President Vladimir Putin and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, each of whom severely clamped down on free expression and the press in their respective countries. Over the past year, the Republican nominee has blacklisted, ejected, restricted, and mocked journalists covering his campaign and suggested libel laws should be opened up to make it easier to sue news organizations.
Trump voiced concerns in the past about free expression, including calling in December for closing up parts of the internet.
Somebody will say, Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech, Trump said. These are foolish people. We have a lot of foolish people.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-freedom-of-expression_us_57dfde58e4b04a1497b54f2f?section=&
SoCalNative
(4,613 posts)Siwsan
(26,267 posts)This whole situation is just plain scary.
PJMcK
(22,037 posts)Is US History still a requirement for a high school diploma? If it is, too many people didn't learn the lessons I'm certain an excellent teacher gave them.
My sarcastic question is based on how little our fellow citizens understand the world we live in. The lack of knowledge about civics, history of our country and its government and civil rights is vast. Too many Americans are just plain ignorant of the world.
It's really discouraging.
Siwsan
(26,267 posts)I was lucky enough to go through Civics and Government classes during an election year. If we signed up and worked for a campaign, all we had to do is turn in a report and proof of attendance, and we were exempt from having to take the final.
One of the courses that my Dad taught, back when things weren't so specialized, was History. I inherited my love of and curiosity about History from him. And because I've seen what can happen, what's going on, right now, is so frightening.
PJMcK
(22,037 posts)My interest in history is based on the understanding that human civilization has been shaped by the people who led tribes, kingdoms, states and nations. This interest is all why I follow politics so closely. We are living in what will become history.
It's fascinating.
riversedge
(70,242 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,023 posts)Dalziel3979
(72 posts)Siwsan
(26,267 posts)I really, really think that they need to tighten up those qualifications to run for POTUS and absolutely include making it mandatory that a prospective candidate having to be able to pass a high school civics/government class with a minimum A- grade.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)He's exactly like him, although not as physically fit.
Siwsan
(26,267 posts)His orange mopped head may yet show up on a physique worthy of a young Schwarzenegger.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Witness the scare quotes around "free speech", the eyerolls and complaints that come up any time the 1st amendment is discussed, or the inevitable misuse of the tortured (and, actually, incorrect) metaphor of "you can't shout fire in a crowded theater" when people try to argue that blasphemous cartoons, or hell, the sports illustrated swimsuit issue, should be illegal.
What progressive censorship fetishists dont ever seem to get is, the first voices to be censored will most likely be ones they agree with.