2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum"Rethinking 'Shellshocked' Romney" by David Jarman for Daily Kos
Rethinking 'Shellshocked' Romneyby David Jarman for Daily Kos
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/10/1160010/-Rethinking-shellshocked-Romney
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This was a popular story in the liberal blogosphere, if only for its schadenfreude-tastic nature, but also because it seems to confirm the most fundamental stereotypes about Republicans: they believe their own B.S.; they live in a closed ideological bubble; they're so anti-science it extends to all forms of being anti-evidence, including the polling concerning the very thing they're trying to win.
However, something doesn't smell right about the story: even with their attempts to unskew their own polling, the Romney camp had to have known they had no better than a bank-shot chance of winning. Talking Points Memo's Josh Marshall shared some of my skepticism when he discussed the article, though he didn't connect the final dot. His contention:
Just too ridiculous. I can maybe believe that the Romney camp thought they had a fighting chance in Ohio after all the final result was pretty close. I simply cannot believe that they thought they were in such a strong position that they were going to try for a decisive electoral college win.
What's the final dot? The fact that we got a look under the hood at the Romney camp's pre-election internals, if ever so briefly. Remember the leaked Romney internals on Monday afternoon before the election? To start out, set aside the lack of specificity of the internals (no topline numbers, just vague descriptions of the margin in some states), and the unusual place it was leaked to (the Daily Mail, one of the UK's right-wing scandal sheets, though not a Rupert Murdoch property); also, forget for a moment that leaked internals are leaked selectively and leaked for a reason, and often reflect an absolute best-case scenario rather than the most likely state of play for a race.
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alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)And it also comes directly out of the Romney camp, which we know is loaded to the gills with bullshit.
Not sure they nailed the reason WHY Romney's people invented this shellshocked business, but I agree that it is invented.
No way Romney and his consultants were this out of touch.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)misled about his chances, from what I've read. If he's just stunned--SHELLSHOCKED--about his loss, then his campaign wasn't feeding anybody bullshit, they were true believers and just got it wrong.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)and then everything turned to a Harvest operation. they had to separate campaign funds for their fat cats before calling it quits. Don't doubt for a single minute,Willard was in this for a big payday. If one doubts,I think we will see evidence shortly.
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)Mitt Romney was a con job. Why not con the super rich?
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)in states he was certainly going to win.
And, Clear Channel is a Bain holding.
There is some evidence he used the money of the super rich to prop up his own investments.
ffr
(22,671 posts)A money pit that made those who sold it a mint, leaving those who relied on it holding the bag. A Republican scam against their own.
These stories are only going to get worse for him as time goes by.
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)He believes unreliable information he wants to believe and disregards unreliable information he doesn't care to believe.
Why does he believe that the leaked internal polling story is reliable enough to wrap tinfoil around?
And why does he assume that the Romney camp's subsequent denial of the leak means that they were saying the real numbers were much worse? They would hardly have felt honor bound to correct the record so we would know that their real numbers were terrible.
This looks to be case #386,674 of falling into the trap of thinking that the enemy is very smart despite all the evidence to the contrary. Everyone is a Machiavellian mastermind when convenient for the conspiracy, despite the fact, and it is a fact, that everyone and everything associated with the Romney campaign showed ample evidence of idiocy and delusion. Every day.
The simplest explanation is that these known delusional idiots were smoking their own electoral dope. That may be incorrect, but it remains the likeliest explanation.
(As one counter piece of evidence... the "I agree with Obama" debate did not appear to the the strategy of people who thought they were behind.)
Marsala
(2,090 posts)Donors expect to get spun, and losing campaigns always pretend that they're not losing.
Justice
(7,188 posts)I read that Romney didn't make the pivot to the center earlier because he needed money, and so only pivoted to the center at the debates. Remember hearing that the right would support him no matter what he said because he jumped in the polls after the first debate? The move was highly calculated.
I believe his team kept the donors in the dark, making them believe he thought he was winning, despite the polls, because he needed the money to keep flowing. Saving he was shellshocked allows him to continue the falsehood he thought he was winning/would win.
Mme. Defarge
(8,040 posts)the plans for a victory fireworks display and the Romney/Ryan administration transition website fit into this charade?
LeftofObama
(4,243 posts)On the Road
(20,783 posts)but when Romney had to give his concession speech, he didn't look like someone who knew he was going to lose.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Janna Ryan looked absolutely beside herself, and Ann Romney looked stunned. They can't all be actors of that caliber.
Bad Thoughts
(2,530 posts)Romney would have had to have been willfully ignorant not to know that he could lose, even if he believed that he would win. He (and his campaign) had confronted a whole month (September) in which he was painted as a loser. His surrogates were being pounded on TV. Looking at RV/LV numbers, they should have known that Obama had a better potential to win if he could move voters. And Romney himself had known what it meant to lose elections, running for office in the past and facing difficulties over his public persona.
Perhaps more damning: the campaign was already looking for reasons to explain the loss. They focused on Sandy in the last week, the President's image responding to the catastrophe, and Cristie's betrayal.
I think that this is a new version of a popular Republican game: blame the messenger, not the message. Admitting there is a republican bubble, they claim that the campaign knew only the bubble. The campaign was in the bubble; the donors were in the bubble; how could we see what was happening if everyone was in the bubble.
I'm waiting for some GOPer to tell the truth: they went too extreme and couldn't bring the popular with them.
BlueMTexpat
(15,373 posts)the very real belief (held by Romney and his most fervent supporters) that he was indeed the shining fulfillment of Mormon prophecy.
Never underestimate the power of religion to make people believe the unbelievable. Never. Ever.
LiberalFighter
(51,070 posts)Out of nowhere a miracle will happen?
BlueMTexpat
(15,373 posts)anyone who is fact-based.
But it is what it is.
TomCADem
(17,390 posts)Also, it is one thing to blame Romney, but what about Karl Rove's meltdown when he simply insisted that the Ohio numbers must be wrong? It wasn't just Romney. I think their pollsters knew the truth, but the spinsters were lying.
JCMach1
(27,572 posts)when you put everything into it...
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Up until the found out they lost they were insufferably smug without even a hint of embarrassment about his taxes, his lies, his wild weathervane swings, Ann's superior way of talking to "you people" and even to ordering the Republicans to stop picking on Mitt because "It's hard". They never showed even an iota of chagrin for being found out about the 47% comments or anything else. To me that indicates Romney was clueless about the reality of the situation.
And the biggie that's the frosting on the cake is when he didn't have a concession speech ready and Ann's hair was all done up for a party and that she and Ryans wife had been crying. Ann crying? Not unless she was devastated because her dream was thwarted. People like Ann Romney only cry for themselves and their loved ones. They don't cry for anyone else. And their tears are sincere because nothing is more sincere than self pity.
I put a lot of stock into how people react emotionally because they can certainly tell lies anytime. But crying in self pity? That's no lie.
Donkees
(31,452 posts)Idiot wind, blowing every time you move your mouth
Blowing down the back roads headin' south
Idiot wind, blowing every time you move your teeth
You're an idiot, Mitt
It's a wonder that you still know how to breathe
You hurt the ones that I love best
And cover up the truth with lies
One day you'll be in the ditch
Flies buzzin' around your eyes
Idiot wind, blowing like a circle around my skull
From the Grand Coulee Dam to the Capitol
Idiot wind, blowing every time you move your teeth
You're an idiot, Mitt
It's a wonder that you still know how to breathe
--altered Dylan lyrics