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Kablooie

(18,644 posts)
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 04:44 PM Sep 2016

Trump is doing just what he did in the primaries, moving up the charts quickly and boldly.

No amount of logic or reason can compete with the naughty thrills this scummy huckster brings. He promises anything and everything to anyone without a hint of how it might be done. His cheap sales tactics work as well as ever and I really fear that we could be living through 4 years of Donald Trump as president and and then have to deal with the destruction and aftermath for the rest of our lives.

People complain that the media covers him much more than Clinton.
Well, look at posts here on DU. 90% are Trump. There is almost no discussion of what Clinton will bring the country.
Most discussion is how horrible Trump would be and some defense of Clinton. Real discussion of the issues that affect us is very sparse.

My fear is that Trump represents the secret heart of America. The dirty underbelly that we've tried to keep hidden for decades but has always been at the bottom of our soul. The ugly American is being led out into the sunlight. (Not all of us of course, but the underlying soul of the country.) Elements of our country that continually proclaim our goodness and righteousness is a warning sign in itself. People who are actually good and righteous don't need to constantly inform others about this.

Titillation has become a more powerful motivator for voters than logic and retrospection so I won't be surprised, shocked yes, but not surprised, if we find that Trump's portrait is forever displayed along with George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, Franklin D Roosevelt, and Barack Obama.



I hope I'm wrong.

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Trump is doing just what he did in the primaries, moving up the charts quickly and boldly. (Original Post) Kablooie Sep 2016 OP
If he is elected then all I can say is... Binkie The Clown Sep 2016 #1
If he were elected that would mean that the majority of Americans are racist sexists bigots still_one Sep 2016 #4
More accurately, that the majority of Americans don't care enough to vote at all. Binkie The Clown Sep 2016 #7
That's part of my point. Kablooie Sep 2016 #10
Not to sound elitist, but, the fundamental flaw in democracy is that idiots get to vote. Binkie The Clown Sep 2016 #13
Trump isn't titillating anyone but the boors anamandujano Sep 2016 #24
The debates will be like nothing we've seen before. EL34x4 Sep 2016 #15
But many of us will not get the leader WE deserve DavidDvorkin Sep 2016 #16
And that's the way it has always been since the beginning of recorded history. Binkie The Clown Sep 2016 #17
It's the nature of democracy DavidDvorkin Sep 2016 #20
"the people" as a collective noun, not as an individual, or even a collection of individuals. Binkie The Clown Sep 2016 #22
That's greatly overstated DavidDvorkin Sep 2016 #23
Such lurid prose, especially that last bit, cribbed from where? bettyellen Sep 2016 #29
Well, if we're still using the primaries as a model, frazzled Sep 2016 #2
Excellent point jehop61 Sep 2016 #5
^^^ THIS ^^^ Tarheel_Dem Sep 2016 #12
The fact that Trump is dominates the discussion here Charles Bukowski Sep 2016 #3
No, but he dominates the discussion everywhere, that's the point. Kablooie Sep 2016 #11
That because he is an enemy of the state who needs to be defeated. anamandujano Sep 2016 #25
he still hasn't gone above low 40%... it's just Hillary has gone down Fast Walker 52 Sep 2016 #6
Trump was playing against the political equivalent of hamsters in the primaries DFW Sep 2016 #8
Amen. This is nothing like the primaries. CanadaexPat Sep 2016 #28
Just like the primaries you mention.... NCTraveler Sep 2016 #9
Stop slobbering alcibiades_mystery Sep 2016 #14
Snort DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2016 #18
Oh stop. Codeine Sep 2016 #19
Yeah but those were repukes voting for him in the primaries. ucrdem Sep 2016 #21
Maybe Trump is right - it's rigged and he rigged it? nt bagelsforbreakfast Sep 2016 #26
Trump rose in the Republican saltpoint Sep 2016 #27
If you are correct about this country we are truly screwed. MoonRiver Sep 2016 #30

still_one

(92,454 posts)
4. If he were elected that would mean that the majority of Americans are racist sexists bigots
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 05:21 PM
Sep 2016

and I do no subscribe to that, or to the polls. Hillary is back on the campaign today, and the debates are coming up, and I think the dynamics will change dramatically in our favor

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
7. More accurately, that the majority of Americans don't care enough to vote at all.
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 06:07 PM
Sep 2016

Even a huge turnout, say 60%, means that 60% of those who bothered to register, also bothered to vote. And since voter registration is around 60% of those eligible to register, that means 60% of 60% voted, or 0.6 * 0.6 = 0.36, leaving 64% of Americans who either didn't register, or registered but didn't vote. That's a majority, and that's the majority that deserves whatever happens to them as a result of their apathy.

Kablooie

(18,644 posts)
10. That's part of my point.
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 06:24 PM
Sep 2016

Trump tabloid titillation may send many into the voting booths who've never voted before because they don't understand anything about politics while Hillary will get the thinking voters that she would normally get.

Part of the equation is how many of these first time buffoons will swell the ranks towards Trump.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
13. Not to sound elitist, but, the fundamental flaw in democracy is that idiots get to vote.
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 06:42 PM
Sep 2016

10% of college students think that Judge Judy is on the Supreme Court, AND they get to vote.

anamandujano

(7,004 posts)
24. Trump isn't titillating anyone but the boors
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 11:03 PM
Sep 2016

It's not hard to understand bigotry and misogyny. You know it when you feel it.

More first timers will vote out of fear of the pig ignorant scum that is Trump.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
15. The debates will be like nothing we've seen before.
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 06:56 PM
Sep 2016

I fully expect Trump will hijack control and turn them into a circus. I doubt the moderators will be prepared. I hope Hillary is.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
17. And that's the way it has always been since the beginning of recorded history.
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 07:52 PM
Sep 2016

To expect better is pure fantasy. We exist to serve the rich.

DavidDvorkin

(19,497 posts)
20. It's the nature of democracy
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 10:08 PM
Sep 2016

But it's silly to say that people get the leaders they deserve while ignoring the ones who voted for someone else.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
22. "the people" as a collective noun, not as an individual, or even a collection of individuals.
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 10:17 PM
Sep 2016

The ones who voted for the loser will be ignored. Not by you and me, of course, but by our "elected" overlords.

And if Trump wins any reporters who crossed him could be in danger of losing their careers. The media may be hedging their bets in case Trump wins and starts censoring the press.

As peons, our place is in service of the rich. The sooner we learn our place, the better for everyone. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.


DavidDvorkin

(19,497 posts)
23. That's greatly overstated
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 10:26 PM
Sep 2016

We've been moving in that direction for a long time, but we still a way to go before we get there.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
2. Well, if we're still using the primaries as a model,
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 05:00 PM
Sep 2016

then let's surmise that Clinton will perform identically as she did during hers. Despite all the hand-wringing on one side and predictions of victory on the other, she managed to pull out a comfortable lead in the end, and won the nomination handily. And that, despite all the nastiness and conspiracies thrown out about her, and despite the widespread love fest for her opponent and lack of any serious questioning of him by the press.

So, depends on which primary you're looking at if you want to make predictions.

 

Charles Bukowski

(1,132 posts)
3. The fact that Trump is dominates the discussion here
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 05:09 PM
Sep 2016

isn't proof of anything. None of us would even dream of voting for him.

anamandujano

(7,004 posts)
25. That because he is an enemy of the state who needs to be defeated.
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 11:09 PM
Sep 2016

The MSM isn't doing their job so we need to expose him.

We all know Hillary is the best ever and is doing her job to be elected. We support her with conversation, money and activism.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
6. he still hasn't gone above low 40%... it's just Hillary has gone down
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 05:27 PM
Sep 2016

He's has reached his peak. Hillary has not.

DFW

(54,448 posts)
8. Trump was playing against the political equivalent of hamsters in the primaries
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 06:19 PM
Sep 2016

Now he's fighting a fully grown ornery bison. Different league.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,716 posts)
18. Snort
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 07:54 PM
Sep 2016

POC and enlightened white people will save us, if the U K had more of the former they wouldn't be saddled with BREXIT.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
21. Yeah but those were repukes voting for him in the primaries.
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 10:15 PM
Sep 2016

He doesn't stand a chance in November. He doesn't have the votes.

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
27. Trump rose in the Republican
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 11:18 PM
Sep 2016

primary contests because he reached the Vulgar Loudmouth Bigot Zone and just put it on cruise control. He vanquished his Puke opponents because they were ideologically as disgusting as Trump but had none of his flare for self-promotion and scene-stealing.

For some time I thought Jeb Bush's money would be enough to outlast Trump, but last we saw, Jeb was in a fetal position, weeping and whimpering some nonsense about a lost dynasty...

Nate Silver has not gotten every single thing in the universe exactly right, but he's more right than most for most of the time, and he says Trump's path to the Oval Office is steep and difficult. I'm also guessing -- as many here have indicated -- that on election day, a higher general election turnout, a massive ground game, plus well-fueled vans at the ready to get folks to their voting precinct, all converge to drown Trump in his arrogant and pathetic bigotry.

I think the electoral college is in a blue state of mind on Nov. 8.

Trump will claim the election was rigged. In truth, it will be a case of his campaign being blown out of the water by a decidedly superior organization.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
30. If you are correct about this country we are truly screwed.
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 10:47 AM
Sep 2016

If Rump wins or "wins" this election, husband and I are buying a home in Canada. It really would be that bad, even though we are among the ones who would benefit from his tax breaks. Definitely NOT worth the trade off in terms of everything horrible he would bring about.

BUT, I still think Hillary is gong to win. I don't trust these recent polls, which are based on models of likely voters, meaning more white, middle class people than POC. If those who hate Rump get out in the numbers expected, she handily takes the presidency, and we can all breath easier for another 3 years, at least.

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