2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumTrump is doing just what he did in the primaries, moving up the charts quickly and boldly.
No amount of logic or reason can compete with the naughty thrills this scummy huckster brings. He promises anything and everything to anyone without a hint of how it might be done. His cheap sales tactics work as well as ever and I really fear that we could be living through 4 years of Donald Trump as president and and then have to deal with the destruction and aftermath for the rest of our lives.
People complain that the media covers him much more than Clinton.
Well, look at posts here on DU. 90% are Trump. There is almost no discussion of what Clinton will bring the country.
Most discussion is how horrible Trump would be and some defense of Clinton. Real discussion of the issues that affect us is very sparse.
My fear is that Trump represents the secret heart of America. The dirty underbelly that we've tried to keep hidden for decades but has always been at the bottom of our soul. The ugly American is being led out into the sunlight. (Not all of us of course, but the underlying soul of the country.) Elements of our country that continually proclaim our goodness and righteousness is a warning sign in itself. People who are actually good and righteous don't need to constantly inform others about this.
Titillation has become a more powerful motivator for voters than logic and retrospection so I won't be surprised, shocked yes, but not surprised, if we find that Trump's portrait is forever displayed along with George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, Franklin D Roosevelt, and Barack Obama.
I hope I'm wrong.
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)...the American voters will get the "leader" they deserve.
still_one
(92,454 posts)and I do no subscribe to that, or to the polls. Hillary is back on the campaign today, and the debates are coming up, and I think the dynamics will change dramatically in our favor
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)Even a huge turnout, say 60%, means that 60% of those who bothered to register, also bothered to vote. And since voter registration is around 60% of those eligible to register, that means 60% of 60% voted, or 0.6 * 0.6 = 0.36, leaving 64% of Americans who either didn't register, or registered but didn't vote. That's a majority, and that's the majority that deserves whatever happens to them as a result of their apathy.
Kablooie
(18,644 posts)Trump tabloid titillation may send many into the voting booths who've never voted before because they don't understand anything about politics while Hillary will get the thinking voters that she would normally get.
Part of the equation is how many of these first time buffoons will swell the ranks towards Trump.
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)10% of college students think that Judge Judy is on the Supreme Court, AND they get to vote.
anamandujano
(7,004 posts)It's not hard to understand bigotry and misogyny. You know it when you feel it.
More first timers will vote out of fear of the pig ignorant scum that is Trump.
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)I fully expect Trump will hijack control and turn them into a circus. I doubt the moderators will be prepared. I hope Hillary is.
DavidDvorkin
(19,497 posts)We'll be stuck with the destruction.
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)To expect better is pure fantasy. We exist to serve the rich.
DavidDvorkin
(19,497 posts)But it's silly to say that people get the leaders they deserve while ignoring the ones who voted for someone else.
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)The ones who voted for the loser will be ignored. Not by you and me, of course, but by our "elected" overlords.
And if Trump wins any reporters who crossed him could be in danger of losing their careers. The media may be hedging their bets in case Trump wins and starts censoring the press.
As peons, our place is in service of the rich. The sooner we learn our place, the better for everyone. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.
DavidDvorkin
(19,497 posts)We've been moving in that direction for a long time, but we still a way to go before we get there.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)frazzled
(18,402 posts)then let's surmise that Clinton will perform identically as she did during hers. Despite all the hand-wringing on one side and predictions of victory on the other, she managed to pull out a comfortable lead in the end, and won the nomination handily. And that, despite all the nastiness and conspiracies thrown out about her, and despite the widespread love fest for her opponent and lack of any serious questioning of him by the press.
So, depends on which primary you're looking at if you want to make predictions.
jehop61
(1,735 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,245 posts)Charles Bukowski
(1,132 posts)isn't proof of anything. None of us would even dream of voting for him.
Kablooie
(18,644 posts)anamandujano
(7,004 posts)The MSM isn't doing their job so we need to expose him.
We all know Hillary is the best ever and is doing her job to be elected. We support her with conversation, money and activism.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)He's has reached his peak. Hillary has not.
DFW
(54,448 posts)Now he's fighting a fully grown ornery bison. Different league.
CanadaexPat
(496 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Clinton is dominating.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)POC and enlightened white people will save us, if the U K had more of the former they wouldn't be saddled with BREXIT.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)He's already lost.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)He doesn't stand a chance in November. He doesn't have the votes.
bagelsforbreakfast
(1,427 posts)saltpoint
(50,986 posts)primary contests because he reached the Vulgar Loudmouth Bigot Zone and just put it on cruise control. He vanquished his Puke opponents because they were ideologically as disgusting as Trump but had none of his flare for self-promotion and scene-stealing.
For some time I thought Jeb Bush's money would be enough to outlast Trump, but last we saw, Jeb was in a fetal position, weeping and whimpering some nonsense about a lost dynasty...
Nate Silver has not gotten every single thing in the universe exactly right, but he's more right than most for most of the time, and he says Trump's path to the Oval Office is steep and difficult. I'm also guessing -- as many here have indicated -- that on election day, a higher general election turnout, a massive ground game, plus well-fueled vans at the ready to get folks to their voting precinct, all converge to drown Trump in his arrogant and pathetic bigotry.
I think the electoral college is in a blue state of mind on Nov. 8.
Trump will claim the election was rigged. In truth, it will be a case of his campaign being blown out of the water by a decidedly superior organization.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)If Rump wins or "wins" this election, husband and I are buying a home in Canada. It really would be that bad, even though we are among the ones who would benefit from his tax breaks. Definitely NOT worth the trade off in terms of everything horrible he would bring about.
BUT, I still think Hillary is gong to win. I don't trust these recent polls, which are based on models of likely voters, meaning more white, middle class people than POC. If those who hate Rump get out in the numbers expected, she handily takes the presidency, and we can all breath easier for another 3 years, at least.