How does the "basket of deplorables" comment play out?

[LonePirate]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/09/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-basket-of-deplorables/index.html

Clinton was generous by limiting that description to just half of Trump's supporters instead of all of them.

Does this comment hurt her or help her? Does it linger or does it fade away?

[stopbush]

1. It will play out fine because everyone knows it's true.

[pepperbear]

52. "Gods and guns" didn't really hurt President Obama.

[pangaia]

70. Everyone does not know it is true or it wouldn't be true.

[vadermike]

2. Well

She didn't say all of them .. She said some and the way she said it I thought was fine I really don't see the big deal Trump campaign will seize on anything they are desperate Fake outrage

[Avalux]

3. She spoke the truth, as ugly as it is (and it's damn ugly).

It's not going to hurt her, none of those people would vote for her and the rest of us agree with her.

[SaschaHM]

4. We're going to see some faux outrage, but it will force another convo on the hatred Donald brings.

There wasn't video so we won't see it replayed until the election.

[LonePirate]

6. There's video of her saying it in the link I provided in the OP.

[SaschaHM]

11. Ah, didn't notice it.

Prepare for an exhausting week if the M$M decides to run with this.

[smorkingapple]

5. It'll highlight what a lot of his followers really believe so net + for her

The more the focus is on that part of his campaign, she wins.

[vadermike]

7. After

All the crap trump has been saying the last few days Putin Russia and talking about Hillary shooting someone I'd say it's a wash Look at all the GOP senators and Paul Ryan for last few days going into pretzels about trumpie Putin love

[Abouttime]

8. Hillary is truthful

They are rascist
They are classist
They are sexist

[bluestateguy]

9. After her alt right speech, and Kaine's "Ku Klux Klan values" comment

there were scarcely any Republicans rushing to defend Trump. They sat on their hands. The Trump campaign squawked very loudly, and the RNC sent out a pissy press release, and that was that. Because everybody knew what she was saying was true.

And then Trump said something offensive again, and everybody moved on.

[Democat]

10. Better not to insult all Trump's supporters so that we can win some over

But Trump has Clinton supporters physically attacked at his rallies.

[stopbush]

83. She didn't insult all Trump voters, just half.

Fact is, she didn't insult anyone. She just told the truth. I'm sure a good % of the people she called out wear their racism like a badge of honor. She was never going to get their votes anyway.

[Maru Kitteh]

12. It was PERFECT.

[fun n serious]

13. It was nice.

These are the DEPLORABLES Hillary spoke of...

https://newrepublic.com/article/134892/will-blood

[Demsrule86]

35. Sickening

They are deplorable for sure. My husband used to be GOP...He used to go on FR...and they were always over the top...but now they talk about 'racial purity' and how women need to be 'educated' about the Damage to the 'white' race intermarriage brings. Pretty horrifying. Many are very violent in their speech.

[FrenchieCat]

14. There's nothing more deplorable

Than the things Benedict Donald is, says and does! that is correct!

[napkinz]

15. I'll be interested in seeing if the comment dominates the news cycle

Let's see if the MSM drop the Trump-Bondi Bribery SCANDAL

[Demsrule86]

36. Did you really think they would continue?

They were forced into covering it...and did so half heartedly.

[napkinz]

43. oh I know, they were slow to cover the scandal and I have a feeling now they'll be quick

to ditch it.

[Demsrule86]

65. They would have ditched it anyway, but some good has come of it.

There are now real investigations. There are so many Trump scandals the media is not covering...Trump University and about a 100 more.This is what the media will do. We must win in spite of their fake journalism.

[monmouth4]

16. I really like it and it does sound better than "a bunch of doofuses."..n/t

[jimw81]

17. Hit the panic button

Media is gonna have field day with this story

[quaker bill]

18. I am sure it offends

many of the people that were never going to vote for her anyway. It is not like the 47% comment at all, as that ascribed motive to the 47% "wanting to get free stuff". This was not truthful.

Filling a "basket of deplorables" at a Trump rally would be a fairly simple task.

[MirrorAshes]

19. I think it's slightly awkward phrasing, but absolutely true

And she doesn't have to apologize for it--every time it's brought up, she can throw the alt-right white nationalists back in his face. I'm sure people will try and turn it into a big gaffe for her, but if she stands her ground on it I think it'll be a net positive for her. The people she's describing do not need to be coddled.

[KewlKat]

20. expect it to be brought up in the first debate

if not in the form of a question, then spewed from the Con.

[etherealtruth]

87. Who is willing to say that white supremacist/ christian identity members/neonazis are not deplorable

I think she was pretty damned clear about who she was referring to

[karynnj]

21. There is no way that it helps and unlike Trump, who always says

Things like this, she likely will genuinely regret it and will say something to the affect that she should have been better than this. Remember she is running to be President of everyone.

I predict an apology for saying this in the heat of a contentious campaign.

[Demsrule86]

39. Sorry that is simply not true

She has nothing to apologize for. She spoke the truth...the idea that these dangerous alt right,KKK types are somehow are legitimate must be fought with strong words and actions...the media, CNN in particular, is mainstreaming them and that is dangerous. She spoke the truth and the idea that the Dems must always be better than (fill in the blank) has lead to some terrible losses...call it like it really is...Trump supporters are KKK or scared of pretty much everything economic and blame others for their lack of success...mostly people of color and immigrants. They have been whipped up into a frenzy by the orange Cheeto.

[karynnj]

54. You have your opinion. I have mine.

There is no race we lost by being too polite. To say that half of Trump's support meets that definition is likely not true. It makes more sense to attack Trump, not his supporters.

[Demsrule86]

61. Fair enough.

I would say we lost 2004 by being too polite and not calling out the GOP on their lies.

[karynnj]

66. Winning 2004 would have been a. Huge upset and it nearly happened

One reason for that was Kerry's high road campaign, his integrity and his intelligence. He exceeded what models projected based on generic Democrat.

Bush was at 60 percent in December 2003. Throughout 2004, he was around 50 percent. Kerry won part of the group who still thought well of Bush.

There is no candidate I ever wanted to win more than Kerry and from following him for a decade, my respect has only grown.

[Demsrule86]

67. I was a Deaniac, but wanted Kerry to win also.

I do believe the election was stolen in Ohio...

[heaven05]

59. yeah, just likr BHO

has been President of everyone yet that is the precise reason for this white nativist, supremacist reaction to an AA POTUS. I don't expect to hear nor want HRC to make an apology for the truth about trumpenfuhrer or his trumpshirts. The last 16 years has closely resembled the gathering of "deplorables from 1920 to 1933 in Germany. History can only repeat itself this time if americans turn out to be a majority of "deplorables". The way the Lauresque media is performing for the uninformed, low intelligence, racist, bigoted voters, which are legion , I'm worried.....

[karynnj]

63. Obama never insulted people

The point is why would HRC give the right this gift that they can use to negatively define her?

I went to bed hoping the discussion would be Trump's idiotic call to shoot Iranian ships if someone made a bad hand gesture. It would have been nice if they covered the Syrian deal, which if it holds, could be the turning point there.

Instead, HRC's sounds elitist. It ignores that every candidate ever has praised the people of America. She called about a fifth of them deplorable.

[heaven05]

69. a fifth?

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they are deplorable. The deplorables are gathering. The historical significance should be pointed out continually and so should the deplorables racism, bigotry, mysogyny, homophobia and gender bias. We can play nicey, nice and get stomped in November. For the last 7+ years, really 16+, the Democratic Party leadership has played nice and gentle with the RW. Look where we are now with teabaggers, racist of all kind openly supporting their trumpenfuhrer's call to put every minority "back in their place". Only white males are given a pass.

People out here are thinking critically and that is our salvation in Novenmber I think. If "deplorable" is a turning point, a "47%" level gaffe. HRC never stood a chance at being elected anyway. If the low information idiots who are the minority that the MSM media can agitate into an election majority for the RW, then HRC never stood a chance anyway and I guess I should read up on cotton farming or houshold duties in a spatial southern or northern mansion I would think.

[karynnj]

75. She said half of Trump's supporters. At this point he has less than 50% of the population,

one fifth, assuming he has 40% of the population, was my estimate of what that would mean.

[DrDan]

22. it will definitely hurt - she erred with that attack

go after trump - he is the candidate - not the unfortunately misguided supporters

[Demsrule86]

41. Really?

Oh those poor KKK folks...are their feelings hurt?

[DrDan]

44. I really don't care - my point is that there is no reason for her to comment on his supporters

they are not running - trump is.

go after him - go after his policies, his demeanor, his lies, his temperament . . . even his combover

yes - really . . . .

[Demsrule86]

48. I see nothing wrong with it.

If you are a Trump supporter than you are racist scum or scared of your own shadow. Possibly you are both.

[DrDan]

50. I certainly hope the "you" you refer to are the trump supporters and not me - it can certainly be

read both ways

[smorkingapple]

57. USE THESE STATS AND REPEAT EVERY DAY UNTIL ELECTION DAY

Among voters with a favorable opinion of Donald Trump, 65% think President Obama is a Muslim. Only 13% think he’s a Christian.
59% don’t think President Obama was born in the United States.
38% of Trump voters wish the South had won the Civil War.
32% of Trump voters supported the internment of Japanese during World War II.
80% of Trump voters support his ban on allowing Muslims to enter the United States
62% support for creating a national database of Muslims
40% support for shutting down all the mosques in the United States
Only 44% of Trump voters think Islam should be legal in the United States
59% of Trump’s supporters “have a problem” with presidential candidates speaking Spanish.
65% of Trump supporters think thousands of Arabs in New Jersey celebrated 9/11.
40% of Trump voters in Texas think that ACORN (an organization that hasn’t existed in seven years) will steal the election for Hillary Clinton
31% want a wall… on the Atlantic Seaboard. To keep Muslims out of the country.
81% of Trump supporters say discrimination against whites is equal to discrimination against people of color.
Only 47% of Trump supporters in Ohio disagree with Rep. Steve King’s comment that whites have contributed more to civilization than people of color.
And half of Trump supporters think blacks are inherently more violent than whites. (this one is from Reuters).

[DrDan]

58. So afraid to directly respond to my post - got it

Not surprised

[heaven05]

73. facts the everyone can

take to the bank. American election 2016, Germany 1920-33 redux. Be very adament about not calling out the facist, racist nature of the trumpenfuhrer and his trumpshirts and we lose in November. Hell, some here don't like "deplorable" as a definition of trumpenfuhrers followers? Then take these statistics and use them on the trumpshirts. God!! This call for nicey, nice got us into this mess in the first place in 2000, in Florida.

[Demsrule86]

64. The racist misogynist views of the alt-right are being mainstreamed by the media...anything that

stops that is fine by me. She spoke the truth.

[Fred Sanders]

76. Agree, anything to expose the alt right and the alt right CEO of Don's campaign.

[Demsrule86]

89. It needs to be exposed...thanks! nt

[DrDan]

85. you think this will stop it? really?

And I am not questioning the truth of her statement . . . only whether she should have made this characterization. Simply being true isn't good enough. After all, a teacher would not say to a middle-schooler "you are an intellectual dolt and had no business in my classroom" even if that could be backed up by grades.

This does nothing to gain voters. Polls clearly show the close results are not due to trump's perceived ability to manage the office, but rather a distrust of Hillary. She would be better advised to work on that rather than attack his supporters. (Note I have been a Hillary supporter for years to include the primary. In no way do I think this is a character flaw, only a campaign error.)

[Demsrule86]

88. It calls it out and might make some think twice before openly displaying such an attitude...

so yes, It might help. We can't have bigotry as another 'opinion'.

[JoePhilly]

23. Racists will run around acting completely SHOCKED!!!

Everyone already knows what she said is true ... his supporters know it .... her supporters know it ... and even those who hate her and who have been looking for any reason to vote for Trump because they don't like her, know it.

The media should now discuss whether what she said is true or not ... and conclude that YES, it is true.

Even if it hurts the orange baby's feelings.

[helpisontheway]

24. CNN already pushing it as being similar to the 47%

They only played that part of the comment. Then text on screen says she calls Trump supporters ( not some Trump supporters). I see the comment as being more similar to when President Obama said some people in the south cling to guns and religion. Hillary has the TRUTH on her side but the media will try to spin it. And yeah Trump supporters might be offended. However who cares? 99.9% of them would never support Hillary. If they are still supporting him after all he has said and done then they will NEVER vote for Hillary.

[Demsrule86]

27. It is nothing like the 47% comment,

where Americans were grouped by Romney into winners and losers based upon income.

[beachbum bob]

25. to me, its brilliant move by hillary to identify trump and his supporters on what they represent

there is no room for "niceties" in this election when our democracy is at stake

[Demsrule86]

26. It nothings her...

Although some GOP types may be to embarrassed to vote for Trump.

[cannabis_flower]

28. The "deplorables" will hate it

Maybe the "deplorables" will convince some of the "useful idiots" to also be outraged.

Everyone else will say "meh".

[Coyotl]

31. The "deplorables" are raising a deplorable storm on Twitter. #BasketOfDeplorables

https://twitter.com/hashtag/BasketOfDeplorables

Top new is about the deplorables, not about Clinton:

SEE IT: Trump supporter yells ‘Put them back in the f-----g fields’ at black woman on subway

....
BY
Tobias Salinger
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Monday, July 25, 2016, 9:20 PM

A Donald Trump supporter could be seen on video shouting obscenities and making a racist remark in an argument with a black subway rider.

The white man decked out in a white suit with white shoes and a white hat was apparently angry the woman had taken the last seat on an L train in Brooklyn, according to the two-minute YouTube video posted Saturday.

“Get your friend, get your friend who’s a f-----g c---sucker little b---h and you’ll be arrested this morning,” the woman said.

“C--t!” he yelled back. “Fat, two-faced c--t.”

Elizabeth Warren trashes Donald Trump in DNC speech

“That’s why you’re standing and I’m sitting,” she said. “B---h.”

“Worthless, stupid f-----g c--t! Donald Trump 2016!” he yelled.

..................

[randome]

29. His campaign staff is made up from "racist, sexist, homophobic or xenophobic supporters".

I doubt this will hurt her at all.
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[saltpoint]

30. Agree. eom

[Fred Sanders]

77. Agree. The entire statement needs to be read.

[Sorceress]

32. It's going to be a bit of a problem, imho.

The MSM and Repubs will use this to say this is how she views the people. The thing is, she's correct in what she said. Many of them are deplorable. Still, she may have to apologize. I hope her surrogates are able to steer the conversation into what that deplorable faction of Trump's supporters are about. Talk about how they are Birthers and WHY they hold on to this foolishness. Talk about how Trump has awakened the KKK wing of the party like David Duke. Hillary can't go into these things too deeply because she is the candidate but her surrogates can and should.

[randome]

40. All she needs do is point to the likes of Breitbart, Assange and Pamela Geller to support her point.

Hateful losers all.
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[BootinUp]

33. Only thing I know is those who complain the loudest

will be the most deplorable of the deplorables.

[dreamer67]

34. goes away but not presidential

I think the statement was intentional to get attention. I think it was very inarticulate. Its never a good idea to attack a voter, especially since her buckets were 1) racist, 2) needing sympathy.

She can probably walk back some and still keep the attack

[bushalert]

37. Good for Hillary

She needs to call out that portion of the Trumpf crowd and not back down. More of the same, please!

[LisaL]

38. Maybe she learned from Trump how to get on the news.

[piechartking]

42. Get out in front of this and just apologize

It will play for a day and then the debates will come and take over.

There's not much there anyway, what are they going to use against her? It's not like the 47% comment.

Also good chance for her to look like a "real" person yada yada yada...

[randome]

55. No. She is correct and I don't see this hurting her at all.

It is NOT the same as Romney's 47% remark. Her words were carefully chosen.
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[Fred Sanders]

78. Trump never has to be forced to apologize, but now Clinton should? Nope.

[Hawaii Hiker]

45. Electoral-vote.com take on it

"So, does the comparison hold up? Maybe not so much. First of all, Romney's remark was much broader, and effectively condemned the entire Democratic Party, either as bloodsucking leeches, or enablers of bloodsucking leeches. Clinton was very careful to paint with a less broad brush. On top of that, there is every reason to believe that Romney meant the 47% remark to remain between him and a few well-heeled GOP friends. Clinton, by contrast, has used this same basic line before, and even used it again after this story broke on Friday. Given her tendency to play it safe, and to avoid controversy, there can be no doubt that the line was carefully considered (and probably even tested in focus groups). Most importantly, Romney's line was aimed squarely at his own supporters, trying to get them fired up (and to donate money). Clinton's line, on the other hand, is clearly aimed at the Trump supporters who are not in the "basket." She is saying to them, "Is this the crowd you want to be lumped in with?" This recalls the Gilded Age-era GOP's tactic of "waving the bloody shirt." For election after election, from 1868 to roughly 1900, they reminded Northern voters that, "Not every Democrat was a Confederate, but every Confederate was a Democrat." The line worked pretty well, since the Democrats managed to elect only one president during those three-plus decades.

So, in short: Clinton likely did not have a "47% moment," no matter what Breitbart News may claim". (Z)

www.electoral-vote.com

[Agschmid]

46. It's 100% accurate.

[etherealtruth]

47. I think it plays well

I think this have have an impact on white , suburban women that absolutely do not want to be associated with hate groups, racists and fools.

The short fingered vulgarian's supporters will be outraged (they would never vote for Clinton anyway)

Clinton's supporters will agree.

The few on the fence don't want to be lumped in with the hate filled and deranged

[Demsrule86]

49. I was thinking that might happen too. nt

[Heron5]

53. Exactly

In fact, Hillary should double down on this at the first opportunity. Perhaps something like, "As I clearly stated at the time, the half to which I referred includes the racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, and the Islamaphobic. So in retrospect, as surely most would agree, 'deplorables' may have been too kind."

[JustAnotherGen]

51. I love hearing the truth on a Saturday morning

I don't understand why someone would be outraged.

Most racists, sexist, homophobic xenophobic Americans love when people speak for them (Trump).

She just said what a lot of people are thinking.

I've watched Trump get applauded for "speaking for others" for more than a year -

It's okay to say "awful things" and if it is so "awful" what she said - then so be it.

It's okay this campaign to insult people for what they are.

[writes3000]

56. It allows her to talk about what Trump is. And how it negatively impacts the country.

Trump insults Mexicans - they cheer.
He tells supporters to attack black protestors - they attack.
He makes fun of a disabled reporter - they applaud.
He uses derogatory terms against women - they laugh.

[Joey Liberal]

60. It was an honest appraisal of the Trump crowd.

[grossproffit]

62. Help her. Notice how the deplorable's hate political correctness until they're on the receiving end.

Fuck em'!

[CanadaexPat]

68. To me it's echoes of Romney.

I don't know why people feel the need to explicitly write off people - why not phrase it in the positive? and the term 'deplorables' is disturbing - it suggests not worthy of consideration as humans.

How's it play out? Lots of noise that distracts from issues, Clinton on the defensive, trump rehabilitated somewhat by comparison. In the end, it won't matter, Clinton will still have a landslide win.

[BumRushDaShow]

71. "deplorables' is disturbing - it suggests not worthy of consideration as humans."

And they AREN'T. Anyone who goes around yelling that n****ers should "go back to the fields" or even the candidate himself who tweeted - "What do they expect when they put men and women together" when referencing the military and rape, IS "deplorable".

American society has been asleep at the wheel for far too long to not call out the type of crude, impolite, and bigoted discourse that has been allowed to rage - not just by private citizens, but by publicly elected officials, over the past decade.

[CanadaexPat]

74. Sorry but that thought in the past had led to

things like concentration camps and gas chambers. That's the danger of rhetoric that dehumanizes opponents and why Trump has been called out for his rhetoric.

[BumRushDaShow]

82. The difference is

that Trump's followers are the ones, with the help of RW talk radio and television political "pundits", essentially espousing views that anyone not "them" (European-descended whites) must be removed form the country and the Clinton campaign IS calling out this rhetoric because the mass media REFUSES to do so - essentially hiding behind the cover of "First Amendment" despite the fact that much of this "speech" IS "hate speech", and in some instances, has encouraged fringe supporters to carry out actual violence against people who are innocent except for not fitting their criteria of "Americans". The media thinks it's a joke and that Trump's continual flow of verbal vomit is not even worthy of their critique but another candidate's "coughing" represents the end of the world as we know it.

BUT adding the context of that remark (notably this was a fundraiser and celebration of LGBT rights) that sound-bite followers miss -

<...>

And there’s so much more than I find deplorable in his campaign: the way that he cozies up to white supremacist, makes racist attacks, calls women pigs, mocks people with disabilities — you can’t make this up. He wants to round up and deport 16 million people, calls our military a disaster. And every day he says something else which I find so personally offensive, but also dangerous. You know, the idea of our country is so rooted in continuing progress that we make together. Our campaign slogan is not just words. We really do believe that we are stronger together. We really do believe that showing respect and appreciation for one another lifts us all up.

<...>

The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic — you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people — now how 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks — they are irredeemable, but thankfully they are not America.But the other basket — and I know this because I see friends from all over America here — I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas — as well as, you know, New York and California — but that other basket of people are people who feel that the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they’re just desperate for change. It doesn’t really even matter where it comes from. They don’t buy everything he says, but he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won’t wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroine, feel like they’re in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well.

<...>

http://time.com/4486502/hillary-clinton-basket-of-deplorables-transcript/

[RBInMaine]

86. Sorry, but you are jelly spining. Be a STRONG progressive! SMASH your opponents! These SCUM would

never vote for her anyway, and she is forcing the TRUTH of HIM and his ILK front and center.

[SaschaHM]

72. It's a deliberate statement (she said it almost word for word in an interviwe a few days ago.)

There is definitely a point that the campaign is trying to make with this statement.

[DemonGoddess]

79. I think it plays out just fine

she's taking a hard stand against the racism, homophobia, Islamophobia, misogyny and all the other GARBAGE that Trumpenstein and his ilk spew on a daily basis and are not called on.

[still_one]

80. Would anyone think it was an issue if someone said the KKK consisted of a "basket of deplorables"?

[Blue Idaho]

81. I think the use of the word "half" is brilliant.

We all know there are some real lunatics out there that will support Trump no matter what. The goal is to make sure that normal undecideds don't drift into his column come Election Day. She gave those folks an out. She spoke about empathy for those feeling disconnected and offers them an alternative to the bomb throwing fascist Donald Trump.

Let's face it, if you're an Alex Jones loving, three corner hat wearing, 9-11 conspiracist - you do belong in that basket. The point is to keep others from following Trump's siren song.

[MFM008]

84. Maggot voters

Are worse than deplorable.
Every single one from 18 to 99 years old.
Ignorant , greedy, racist, bigoted, lazy,stupid, pile of maggots.