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qwlauren35

(6,148 posts)
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 06:58 PM Sep 2016

Taboo Subject

I realize that it's politically incorrect to talk about Hillary's hair, but when I think about the many photos of her over the years, I am struck by the times when she wears long hair. When she was at the Rose Law Firm and on the Walmart board, when she was Senator... and I think to myself, it is a brave, in-your-face statement that she can be feminine and powerful. So many of us cut our hair when we move into the upper echelons of power. It is a bowing to the idea that we will be taken more seriously. And in fact, less feminine. Not so, Hillary. She is confident in her power.

Right now, she is wearing her hair short, but it would be very amusing if she grew it out in the Oval Office.

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Taboo Subject (Original Post) qwlauren35 Sep 2016 OP
Isn't criticism of a woman's hair a bit sexist? JonathanRackham Sep 2016 #1
But that's just it, it's not a criticism. qwlauren35 Sep 2016 #4
My vote is not cast based upon gender, race, religion etc. JonathanRackham Sep 2016 #16
Is it sexist for me to say that I'll be excited to have a president who wears bright colored suits? democrattotheend Sep 2016 #5
Sick of navy blue? qwlauren35 Sep 2016 #7
Nah, but I like bright blue better democrattotheend Sep 2016 #10
Because nobody on this board has ever mentioned donald trumps hair. . . .. Travis_0004 Sep 2016 #20
He's thin between the ears. JonathanRackham Sep 2016 #23
Both inside and outside :-) synergie Sep 2016 #31
Mullet, no. Bouffant? YES!! Bucky Sep 2016 #2
I think she should do as she pleases with her hair. MineralMan Sep 2016 #3
But that's just it. qwlauren35 Sep 2016 #6
Then perhaps you should trust her now, too. MineralMan Sep 2016 #9
I think you really aren't getting what I'm saying. qwlauren35 Sep 2016 #11
I see. She has done pretty well in MineralMan Sep 2016 #14
She's not attacking HRC JustAnotherGen Sep 2016 #12
Hmmm. qwlauren35 Sep 2016 #22
Bingo JonathanRackham Sep 2016 #8
reply dylb Sep 2016 #27
I get it! JustAnotherGen Sep 2016 #13
Weird sexist crap. It's fine, it's inoffensive and much easier to care for.... bettyellen Sep 2016 #15
I will agree with you IF whistler162 Sep 2016 #17
I agee; I think this was my favorite hairstyle of hers: ram2008 Sep 2016 #18
Post removed Post removed Sep 2016 #19
Jeebus rusty fender Sep 2016 #30
Doubtful. Apparently she hasn't been in the world in the past couple of decades synergie Sep 2016 #32
My take on her hair is this: PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2016 #21
After reading some of the replies I feel your pain... tandem5 Sep 2016 #24
Thank you. qwlauren35 Sep 2016 #25
I would be interested to know the level of planning... NCTraveler Sep 2016 #26
Her hair grows long because vlyons Sep 2016 #28
Maybe... qwlauren35 Sep 2016 #29

qwlauren35

(6,148 posts)
4. But that's just it, it's not a criticism.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 07:41 PM
Sep 2016

A woman's hair is a statement of who you are and how much you want to conform to a certain image. Hillary, with her long hair, has constantly said "I'm a woman. Deal with it."

I think to not notice her hair is an attempt to be politically correct, when in fact, a woman's hair is VERY important.

A man's hair is less important, but you won't see many long haired male lawyers with pony tails. You don't see any black male Senators or representatives with dreadlocks. Frequently you can identify ex-military men by their incredibly short hair cuts.


It's a lot like the men who called Sarah Palin a MILF. Derogatory term, politically incorrect. But, to pretend that Palin didn't capitalize on her looks is crap.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
5. Is it sexist for me to say that I'll be excited to have a president who wears bright colored suits?
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 07:42 PM
Sep 2016

After 200 years of male presidents in the same colored suits I will be excited to have a president who wears bright colors. I don't think that makes me sexist. I am also a professional woman who likes to wear bright colored suits and I am hoping that when Hillary becomes president she will make it less taboo for women lawyers to wear bright colored suits. She already made it more acceptable to wear pantsuits and tights back when she was first lady, and for that alone I am grateful.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
10. Nah, but I like bright blue better
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 07:53 PM
Sep 2016

Like the color of the suit she wore the night she joined Obama on stage at the convention.

MineralMan

(146,320 posts)
3. I think she should do as she pleases with her hair.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 07:35 PM
Sep 2016

It's not for any of us to advise her on that. She's quite capable of making such decisions without our help.

qwlauren35

(6,148 posts)
6. But that's just it.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 07:44 PM
Sep 2016

It is the fact that she did what she pleased with her hair that is a testimony to her power. Most professional women would not dare wear long hair. But Hillary did.

MineralMan

(146,320 posts)
9. Then perhaps you should trust her now, too.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 07:53 PM
Sep 2016

Unless, of course, you're an expert on hair styles for presidential candidates. If you are, please accept my abject apologies.

If that is the case, you might want to email her campaign with your professional advice.

qwlauren35

(6,148 posts)
11. I think you really aren't getting what I'm saying.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 07:58 PM
Sep 2016

Hillary has been a trailblazer in how she dresses and how she wears her hair.

I think perhaps the women here recognize this, because they recognize the guts it takes to wear long hair in a professional environment.

MineralMan

(146,320 posts)
14. I see. She has done pretty well in
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 08:16 PM
Sep 2016

making her own decisions, don't you think? How are you doing? I'm going to just trust her judgment on this, if it's OK with you...

JustAnotherGen

(31,834 posts)
12. She's not attacking HRC
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 08:09 PM
Sep 2016


My mom is one who grew it out a few years ago when she retired from a VP position with a hotel management company. She's HRC's age.

Note her "career path". See above.

There was pressure in corporate America in their era when they rose that shorter hair was considered "leadership" material.

Here's an example - the movie Working Girl. What was key to Tess' transformation? "Serious Hair". She chopped it off.

qwlauren35

(6,148 posts)
22. Hmmm.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 09:36 PM
Sep 2016

I wonder if it's an age thing. I am 52 and there was an unwritten rule that if you wanted to be taken seriously, you cut your hair. It may be that this is not required anymore.

I sense that virtually NONE of the men here understand what women went through to be accepted in professional circles, and that part of it was a certain look.

And that's why they don't understand when I say that Hillary defied convention.

I am tempted to create a poll to demonstrate that women get this and men do not.

But it's late, I'm tired and feeling very alone.

So thank you for speaking up in my defense.

Thank you again, and again, and again.

JustAnotherGen

(31,834 posts)
13. I get it!
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 08:14 PM
Sep 2016
Where I work? We wear our hair long.

I notice we also have a lot of what I call Amish beards among our male peers now.

And yes - her hair is her hair to do with as she pleases . . . But if she grows it out - I'd be cool with that. I'd also like it if Bill grew an Amish Beard!

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
15. Weird sexist crap. It's fine, it's inoffensive and much easier to care for....
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 08:19 PM
Sep 2016

Silly to think she would not get attacked for vanity silliness due to a dramatic change.

ram2008

(1,238 posts)
18. I agee; I think this was my favorite hairstyle of hers:
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 08:42 PM
Sep 2016

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Right after she had finished her stint as SOS, she interviewed with Barbara Walters and her hair looked so elegant.

Projects an image of strength, grace, and wisdom, while not as sharp as her the other shorter cuts, I think it fit well with her personality and her face. And no it's not sexist to point out that certain haircuts look better on men and women.

I bet it's probably a pain to get it in that style and keep it that way which is why she doesn't do it all the time. Shorter is easier to manage.

Response to qwlauren35 (Original post)

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
32. Doubtful. Apparently she hasn't been in the world in the past couple of decades
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 02:30 AM
Sep 2016

when the obesity epidemic has been literally center stage, nor has she traveled anywhere in the world, where anyone with functional senses can see that obesity is a worldwide epidemic in quite a lot of countries.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,868 posts)
21. My take on her hair is this:
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 09:15 PM
Sep 2016

I think her hair grows very fast, faster than most people's, and for a long time it was simply easier to keep it long, rather than trying to maintain a shorter length.

However, most older women don't look very good in long hair, unless they do it up in some way. And in recent years, when her hair has gotten longer, it's just not at all attractive. So Hillary has simply bowed to time and reality, and maintains a shorter do.

I know there's a double standard about looks. Women in any sort of public life are expected to keep looking just as they did at 25 or 30. It's ridiculous. Hillary Clinton looks her age. It shouldn't matter to anyone, but there you have it.

tandem5

(2,072 posts)
24. After reading some of the replies I feel your pain...
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 10:04 PM
Sep 2016

Take heart I understand what you're saying and it's far from a taboo.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
26. I would be interested to know the level of planning...
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 10:15 PM
Sep 2016

Over her career. How little or great of an effort, reasons behind fashion decisions, and things of the sort.

qwlauren35

(6,148 posts)
29. Maybe...
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 10:37 PM
Sep 2016

I remember Condoleeza Rice talking about this. She tried to pick a style which would suit her traveling schedule.

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