2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumMy Twitter war, today (please don't hesitate to join in! They NEED to have their asses chewed)!
The bias simply must NOT continue.
Here are some tweets I sent so far today - to Kristen Welker, Andrea Mitchell, Chuck Todd, and Kate Snow.
I'm gonna keep picking on them about this until I see more even-handed coverage. FUCKING SICK AND TIRED of the negatives-only anti-Hillary obsession of the press. The best thing I can think of to do is pile on them again and again and never let it rest. They need MAJOR shit raining down on them from viewers, if this is EVER going to change. They need to get TONS of shit when they fixate on this. They need to know this is being watched, noted, and really despised, BIGTIME!
I sent these out, in a series of tweets:
Hillary "trust deficit"? https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/28/hillary-clinton-honest-transparency-jill-abramson How come you never interview anybody like this?
Hillary trust deficit? http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/08/hillary-clinton-one-americas-most-honest-politicians How come you never cover THIS?
Hillary "trust deficit"? http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/8/1/1555457/-Fact-Hillary-Clinton-Is-One-of-America-s-Most-Honest-Politicians-Trump-is-one-of-the-biggest-liars How come you ignore reports like this?
Hillary "trust deficit"? http://www.attn.com/stories/10483/chart-compares-presidential-candidates-honesty Why do you ignore THIS actual, real-world evidence? You only fixate on the negatives.
Wondering if executive suites have ordered you to focus on all-negatives re: Hillary. Or are you on Trump/GOPs payroll?
(OR)
Forced to wonder if executive suites have ordered you to focus on all-negatives re: Hillary. Or are you on Trump/GOPs payroll?
Sorry, but watching the coverage VERY closely. DISTINCT anti-Hillary bias, Trump's REAL scandals ignored. That IS how it looks.
Whaddya think? Anybody want to jump in with me? It's easy to find their Twitter addresses. Just google the names of any press/anchor/reporter/media people and it'll come up.
JustAnotherGen
(31,834 posts)Do you think they actually manage their own accounts?
calimary
(81,383 posts)they're probably obligated to point it out. And if THEY'RE biased and try to ignore it, then that's why we hit up a whole bunch of these assholes! Kinda hard to avoid or ignore when it's coming from everywhere, overwhelming them like a Louisiana flood.
Think of it this way: doing nothing about it hasn't gotten us anywhere! I've found that if they think you don't care, THEY WON'T, EITHER!!! But if they see somebody actually DOES care, and care BIG-TIME, or there's a whole lotta people who are popping up making the same point or complaint, then it becomes "a thing" that has to be dealt with or at least acknowledged.
Paul Begala once said 100 paper letters can change the course of a newsroom. I believe it. Numbers change everything. I've seen it in activism, I've seen it in rock radio (think they don't take those requests seriously? Those are indicators of listener preferences and you ignore those at your peril). I've seen it at the grocery store forcryingoutloud (think they don't take it seriously when a whole bunch of people keep asking why they don't stock such-n-such an item?).
If we make a big-enough stink about this, it WILL become "a thing." Something they'll have to acknowledge and deal with. There are already increasing numbers of columns and other reports in the media about Hillary getting a lopsided raw deal. It's even got a name: "The Clinton Rules" - in which the tiniest hair out of place gets blown up out of proportion in her case while her opponents get a free ride - even when they've got entire wigs, toupees, weaves, and whole barber shops and chains of hair salons out of place!
Princess Turandot
(4,787 posts)especially the print/website media. They retweet or respond to other people's civil tweets, tweet back and forth with other journalists etc.
The folks who initially began hammering away this weekend on the lack of attention to the Bondi-Trump-contribution nexus were online news people, in particular Josh Marshall at TPM, and Eric Boehlert at MediaMatters. They were writing articles for their websites, but also were aggressively tweeting about it.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And during some events they do quote from
Tweets too.
sarae
(3,284 posts)after all their bitching about Hillary "hiding from the press", the day after she invites them on her plane, what do I see on MSNBC?
Andrea Mitchell on the plane, questioning her about her emails AGAIN.
Who let her on the plane?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)has a bias for "free markets". As for Kate Snow, to be generous, perhaps she is blinded by a need for an income? I have not done any real research, probably should remain silent.
oldtime dfl_er
(6,931 posts)and retweet your tweets on twitter. Can you let me know your twitter handle (PM me privately if you like). I have 1600 followers...
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)and, I have a little over 3,000 followers. (Why, I have no friggin' clue)
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Granny M
(1,395 posts)I'll retweet.
yuiyoshida
(41,833 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)sheshe2
(83,833 posts)I don't tweet...However I can K&R!
lark
(23,134 posts)Kathy M
(1,242 posts)Loki
(3,825 posts)Joy Reid and Hardball. This shit has to stop.
calimary
(81,383 posts)Andrea Mitchell OF COURSE! I tweeted her first, but then realized I hadn't put "Hillary" in - at the "Trust deficit" - at the start of several of those tweets. I went back, added the "Hillary" in, and sent the whole series of them a second time!
Who else?
Kristen Welker
Chuck Todd
Anderson Cooper
Jake Tapper
Kasie Hunt
Craig Melvin
Peter Alexander
Joe Scarborough
Mika Brzezinski
Mark Murray
Chris Matthews
John Berman
Kate Bolduan
Carol Costello
John Heilemann
Mark Halperin
George Stephanopoulos
Chris Jansing
Hallie Jackson
Don Lemon
Chris Hayes
Chris Cillizza
Rachel Maddow
Lawrence O'Donnell
Brooke Baldwin
I'm sure I've left somebody out.
Loki
(3,825 posts)N/t
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,128 posts)It would be easy to retweet that way.
Loki
(3,825 posts)calimary
(81,383 posts)Last edited Wed Sep 7, 2016, 03:07 PM - Edit history (1)
Andrea Mitchell - @mitchellreports
Kristen Welker - @kwelkernbc
Chuck Todd - @chucktodd
Anderson Cooper - @andersoncooper
Jake Tapper - @jaketapper
Kasie Hunt - @kasie
Craig Melvin - @craigmelvin
Peter Alexander - @PeterAlexander
Joe Scarborough - @JoeNBC
Mika Brzezinski - @morningmika
Mark Murray - @mmurraypolitics
Chris Matthews - @HardballChris
John Berman - @JohnBerman
Kate Bolduan - @KateBolduan
Carol Costello - @CarolCNN
John Heilemann - @jheil
Mark Halperin - @MarkHalperin
George Stephanopoulos - @GStephanopoulos
Chris Jansing - @ChrisJansing
Hallie Jackson - @HallieJackson
Don Lemon - @donlemon
Chris Hayes - @allinwithchris
Chris Cillizza - @TheFix
Rachel Maddow - @maddow
Lawrence O'Donnell - @Lawrence
Brooke Baldwin - @BrookeBCNN
Joe Johns - @joejohnscnn
Poppy Harlow - @PoppyHarlowCNN
Wolf Blitzer - @wolfblitzer
Kate Snow - @tvkatesnow
Erin Burnett - @ErinBurnett
Who'd I forget?
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,128 posts)You can share them.
i.e. https://twitter.com/mawee_nguyen/status/772855793137946624
PatSeg
(47,547 posts)of hearing the word "trust" or "trustworthy" repeated over and over again. They aren't questioning Hillary's "trust deficit", they are creating it. And the media wonders why Hillary doesn't want to hold press conferences or do interviews. She's been through 25 plus years of this crap. Do they suppose that she thinks things will be different now?
LuckyLib
(6,819 posts)calimary
(81,383 posts)when the opportunity arose. I said my usual thank you with "...and don't forget to vote!"
The doctor and her assistant both said versions of "meh... don't like either of 'em... I dunno... Hillary has problems... "
And I went to work. "But it's a whole lotta NOTHING. It's ALWAYS been a whole lotta NOTHING. They've never come up with ANYTHING! But can you imagine how it'd feel if YOU had been almost literally PERSECUTED for about 25 years? With enemies and investigators almost literally going through everything from your underwear drawers and your bellybutton lint? Wouldn't YOU be hesitant, too? Wouldn't you be careful with your words, and protective of yourself - maybe even OVER-protective?"
Interestingly enough, they both nodded ever so slightly and they took on these facial expressions that said - "hmmm... I hadn't thought of THAT... yeah, you're probably RIGHT..."
Sometimes these folks just have NOT been helped to see the reality. All they get is this constant din of clucking discontent over Hillary, but nobody can ever put their finger on why that is. And sometimes you gently have to set them straight - or SUGGEST it. Guaranteed: it won't have occurred to them that there might be something else to take into consideration. Thats because they will NOT have had ANYONE present another way to think about this. That's because, for the most part, nobody does present any other way to think about this. You have to invite them to consider things with a different filter and a different point of view.
When all people hear is vague talk about distrust over and over again, they will assume that there is an underlying reason for it even if no one defines it. It probably doesn't help that Hillary as a candidate is not incredibly engaging. Not everyone is a natural politician like her husband and years of being a target for the right wing has made her extremely cautious in public.
I remember a much younger and very open Hillary in the early 1990s. I thought she was so refreshing and outspoken, but republicans and the media were not as impressed as I was evidently. A decade later, we saw a much different Hillary, much more defensive and scripted. One cannot blame her for putting up walls, but I found myself missing the Hillary fresh from Arkansas.
I think she's come a long way since 2008. She is a far better candidate and I'm learning to love her all over again, but the media still is stuck in the "bash Hillary" gear. She gets it from the left, as well as the right, but I don't hear hardly anyone reporting on her accurately and fairly. I don't expect the media to give Hillary a free pass, just do their job and do it truthfully, minus the republican bogus talking points.
Good for you, asking the right questions and making people think outside their bubbles!
annabanana
(52,791 posts)handle so I can follow & retweet!
michaz
(1,352 posts)Loki
(3,825 posts)@tamronhall
@mitchellreports
@chucktodd
@MSNBC
@JoyAnnReid
@andersoncooper
@maddow
@CNNPolitics
@Lawrence
@chrislhayes
@HardballChris
@Eugene_Robinson
@MarthaRaddatz
adding some more
@ScottPelley
@NBCNightlyNews
@LesterHoltNBC
@ABC
@GStephanopoulos
A few for starters
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)calimary
(81,383 posts)I forgot Steve Kornacki - @SteveKornacki
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Plus, they'll just think you're a paid Hillary person.
Twitter is not the place for this since each person controls what they see. You just get turned into invisible. Place your words where they matter.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)Nice play Lil Missy.
PatSeg
(47,547 posts)Mark Halperin of all people admitted that Trump is held to a different standard than Clinton right now. The press is not treating them equally. If Clinton did the things that Trump did, she would be hit a lot harder. "We shouldn't be doing that. We need to fix that." He sounded a bit nervous when he said, "We shouldn't be doing that".
"The press should be harder on Donald Trump, but it should not stop being tough on Hillary Clinton," John Heilemann, also sounding a bit uncomfortable.
I think there has been a shakeup at MSNBC. We'll see if this tone continues throughout the evening. I wasn't paying close attention to other programs today, but I didn't hear "trust deficit" once.
This is getting very interesting.
calimary
(81,383 posts)Husband just got home and we were talking about it. I was in another room, working, and listening to the TV. "With All Due Respect" did indeed talk about this! I think they opened with it! By the time they broke for commercial, it was 15 minutes past the hour.
I only heard the term "trust deficit" early this morning from Kristen Welker talking to one of the anchors - maybe Tamron Hall, to whom I tweet-stormed, also, but forgot to add her on the list upthread - @tamronhall - and I didn't hear the term "trust deficit" again for the rest of the day.
And Joy Reid now, as I write this, is covering the double standard in coverage of Trump and coverage of Hillary! GOOD!!!! AMAZING, actually!
I have no idea whether we did this, or maybe we just added to it, and perhaps functioned as the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. Maybe we helped reach critical mass?
I find myself thinking about the Buckminster Fuller "trim-tab" discussion. The whole idea behind that is - imagine you have to turn a huge ship, cruise liner, oil tanker, something. You're at the wheel. Nobody has the human physical strength to turn the whole big boat. The physics of it just refuse to play. But what you CAN humanly do, is turn this little tiny tab at the edge of the ship's propeller that CAN be moved by human effort at the controls up at the helm. You turn the little bitty trim tab, and it then turns a larger flap on the propeller, which then turns the propeller itself, which then, at last, turns the ship. WHAT WE ARE, in this case, ARE THE TRIM-tabs.
But something's important here: DO NOT STOP NOW. This is NO time to rest on our laurels. There are no laurels to rest on. The fact that a couple of shows on MSNBC today focused on the double standard in reporting on Hillary versus that easy-street way they "cover" Donald Trump. As Scarlett O'Hara once famously said, "tomorrow is another day." And we have a whole bunch of 'em before we get Hillary Clinton across the finish line.
PatSeg
(47,547 posts)I'm glad you caught "With All Due Respect". I tried to capture as much of what I heard as I could, it was like someone opened a window and let in some fresh air.
It is possible that your "Twitter War" contributed to this change and perhaps there were other people who were as fed up as we are here. I also believe that cable news stations check out boards like DU to get a feel for what their viewers are saying. There probably are people who search for "MSNBC" or the names of their hosts to get unsolicited feedback.
Years ago before Twitter, I would periodically email MSNBC when I had a complaint and it did appear to have an effect. Perhaps we should keep an eye on the various Twitter accounts and Facebook pages and let them know when we agree and disagree with their performance. I suppose that would be more effective than cursing at the TV!
Meanwhile, there appears to be some kind of domino effect going on. Soledad O'Brien eviscerated CNN for its Trump coverage and another journalist wrote of the unwritten rules governing coverage of Hillary Clinton. It sure feels like a "pivot"!!!
calimary
(81,383 posts)I was in the other room, working on a Christmas craft. The TV was on elsewhere, so I could listen in while I worked. I was listening and growing more astonished. And eventually I stopped what I was doing and set the glue gun down. Difficult to believe what I was hearing - particularly from THESE guys who basically come from Bloomberg News, and lean CONservative. They were acknowledging that there were complaints about a double standard, the so-called "Clinton Rules"
http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2016/08/24/the-clinton-rules-are-in-play-again-as-ap-blows-the-story
http://www.vox.com/2015/7/6/8900143/hillary-clinton-reporting-rules
It went on for so many minutes that I left my craft room and checked out the TV and clock in the other room. They went to commercial at quarter after the hour, after spending all that first segment time on this subject. And it wasn't about denying this was "a thing," either. Gratifying! Particularly since we all know it most definitely IS "a thing."
PatSeg
(47,547 posts)as if they were guilty and being forced to admit what they were doing. It was especially satisfying hearing it from Mark Halperin who I find to be obnoxiously smug. I don't mind John Heilemann so much, he seems relatively reasonable.
I'm so glad you got to see (hear) it. It was a rather rare moment in this election season. We'll see how long this balanced reporting lasts. If they'd just stop scripting the campaigns and just try reporting on them, that would be satisfactory.
calimary
(81,383 posts)Sounded almost like they were hanging their heads. And yes. They're know-it-alls. Mark Halperin a MUCH bigger offender, definitely the worse of the two, and smug as hell. And he, too, sounded rather chastened. No cocky let's-jump-all-over-Hillary-again attitude this time from either of them. Very straightforward and no attempt to deny or rebut, or blame somebody else.
I couldn't believe what I was hearing.
PatSeg
(47,547 posts)their show because of the insufferable smugness. I just lucked out this time, as the TV was on while I (like you) was doing something else! I would have never believed it if someone else had tried to explain it to me.
riversedge
(70,264 posts)He didn't?!?! That is pretty sad, but I'm sure you aren't the only one.
scardycat
(169 posts)When I see trump on the news I turn the channel. I hate his voice. Had it on cnn...showing trump speech. Imediately changed to MSNBC and trump was also on. The thing that pissed me off the most was both of them cnn and msnbc had trump speech and then Hillary Clinton speech in a little corner box!! I HATE THEM!!!! Turned the channel on both of them
PatSeg
(47,547 posts)I went and did something else for a while, but the TV was still on. They did switch to Clinton's speech. I think the problem there was Trump started speaking first and it may have been hard to know when to cut away from one and go to the other, though for me it would be as soon as he opened his mouth.
calimary
(81,383 posts)Glad you're here! I went to my craft room and resumed work on some Christmas presents. I did that recently when Trump was roaring and snarling during that horrid Arizona speech about the immigration issue. It went on and on and on and on and I started wondering "SHIT, how long IS this?" And I gave up and went to do some crafting. Making stuff. It refreshes my spirit. Helps for fast-fast-fast relief from Trump.
calimary
(81,383 posts)That's what I could find for Chris "Meh,-I'm-Not-Gonna-Bother-To-Do-My-Job-As-A-'Journalist'" Wallace!
@FoxNewsSunday
Now I need to go take a bath...
Persondem
(1,936 posts)like the NY Times main site, CNN etc. That way I know (well, pretty sure) my tweets aren't going to disappear. I have tweeted several stories recently on CNN's feed about CNN's crappy election coverage - i.e. giving Trump a pass.
I am also tagging all my tweets with #dumptrump