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New Indiana (internal) poll: Clinton 44 - Trump 44 (Original Post) brooklynite Aug 2016 OP
K & R SunSeeker Aug 2016 #1
Right now everything looks a lot like the 2008 map bluestateguy Aug 2016 #2
Throw in Lefthacker Aug 2016 #4
I'm cautiously optimistic, but... Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #3
FWIW, Bayh has a good lead, and the Governor's race is a tossup. brooklynite Aug 2016 #6
Great! I hope they're "waking up." n/t Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #7
Holy shitballs vadermike Aug 2016 #5
No way this is fake Indiana is too red! kimbutgar Aug 2016 #8
Hillary was only - 2 in South Carolina Charles Bukowski Aug 2016 #9
That's scary. Not so much that they're tied, PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2016 #10
The ones that are going to vote for him? DemonGoddess Aug 2016 #17
As high as the enthusiasm for gun ownership is in this country, PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2016 #18
You don't know the lunatics with their guns that live around me DemonGoddess Aug 2016 #19
And I bet they've been spouting for eight years so far PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2016 #20
yep, they vote too DemonGoddess Aug 2016 #21
I'm in the deep south and have no idea what Hortensis Aug 2016 #29
You should ask them how she will take their guns when Obama already did? onecaliberal Aug 2016 #30
Come visit for a while.... Adrahil Aug 2016 #23
That's nice to know. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2016 #25
That part of the state is beautiful..... Adrahil Aug 2016 #26
Are the voters of Indiana supporting Trump or their homestate candidate Pence? bulloney Aug 2016 #33
I haven't a clue who the voters of Indiana are really supporting, PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2016 #35
Ouch, Trump's taking quite a beating in the polls Ken_Jones21 Aug 2016 #11
If only there was a regional Repub politician on the ticket to appeal to citizens of Indiana! LonePirate Aug 2016 #12
Pence is not representing I guess fun n serious Aug 2016 #13
Pence is NOT terribly popular here. Adrahil Aug 2016 #24
Imagine if she campaigned there. Tactical Peek Aug 2016 #14
We'd love to have her visit here in Muncie! NT Adrahil Aug 2016 #27
Pence is very disliked here AwakeAtLast Aug 2016 #15
Indiana is the most conservative of the Great Lakes States. amandabeech Aug 2016 #16
After Mitch Daniels and Pence, Indiana is starting to wake the hell up. B Calm Aug 2016 #22
Please let it be so Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2016 #28
What he did to Glenda Ritz will never be forgotten. She won election with B Calm Aug 2016 #32
I get frustrated with the backwardness of our state sometimes (a lot) Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2016 #34
:3 conan1409 Aug 2016 #31

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,857 posts)
3. I'm cautiously optimistic, but...
Sun Aug 14, 2016, 12:21 AM
Aug 2016

... Indiana is full of Southern Baptists.

Trump was beating Clinton 69% to 19% among white Evangelicals in a recent FOX poll.

vadermike

(1,417 posts)
5. Holy shitballs
Sun Aug 14, 2016, 12:26 AM
Aug 2016

Wowza still think trump will probably win Indy but damn I think the RNC gonna cut him loose and concentrate down ballot

 

Charles Bukowski

(1,132 posts)
9. Hillary was only - 2 in South Carolina
Sun Aug 14, 2016, 01:18 AM
Aug 2016

and that state is redder than Indiana.

With Toxic Trump, anything is possible.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,898 posts)
10. That's scary. Not so much that they're tied,
Sun Aug 14, 2016, 01:23 AM
Aug 2016

but that 44% of the good people of Indiana apparently plan to vote for Trump in November. What can they be thinking?

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,898 posts)
18. As high as the enthusiasm for gun ownership is in this country,
Sun Aug 14, 2016, 10:39 PM
Aug 2016

I sincerely doubt that it's only the worst of the gun crazies who will vote for him.

Truly sensible gun owners understand that no one is going to take their guns away.

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
19. You don't know the lunatics with their guns that live around me
Sun Aug 14, 2016, 10:43 PM
Aug 2016

and have been spouting for over a YEAR "she's going to take away our guns!!". I live in Southeast Indiana, so I see and hear this shit every day.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,898 posts)
20. And I bet they've been spouting for eight years so far
Sun Aug 14, 2016, 11:40 PM
Aug 2016

that Obama is going to take away their guns any minute now.

There's nothing to do with people like that, except to avoid them if you possibly can.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
29. I'm in the deep south and have no idea what
Mon Aug 15, 2016, 09:42 AM
Aug 2016

a number of acquaintances are really thinking. Agreeableness is the mode down here, and while most strong conservatives do chat about what they assume are rock-hard issues for everyone, there are always significant numbers who just smile and nod.

I think to assume most are motivated by gun rights and not a wide range of values important to them would be to make a very grave mistake. Study after study have shown that people vote their values, including those we don't bother to understand enough to realize they have any.

Also, to assume that all are the kind of hard-core conservatives we all shake our heads at, not to mention the extremists, would be a grave mistake. Big Money may have pushed the electorate right and mostly purged elective office of moderate conservatives, but they didn't manage actual brain transplants in the electorate.

One thing that most I've seen do agree on is the "danger" of the liberals taking over the Supreme Court. I'm only guessing but doubt that moderates who are keeping their mouths mostly shut would want a strongly ideologically court either direction, but I believe they'll go vote for a conservative court.

onecaliberal

(32,898 posts)
30. You should ask them how she will take their guns when Obama already did?
Mon Aug 15, 2016, 09:58 AM
Aug 2016

They're told them same shit with NO evidence to back it up every time but they still have their killing machines don't they.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
23. Come visit for a while....
Mon Aug 15, 2016, 08:10 AM
Aug 2016

Especially in Northern Kentucky.... oops, I mean Southern Indiana.

There are pockets of blue here, such as my small city, and it gets better as you move north (generally).

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,898 posts)
25. That's nice to know.
Mon Aug 15, 2016, 09:30 AM
Aug 2016

Thanks for the invite. I have never really visited that part of the country to speak of. About a decade ago, on a cross country drive, I stayed for a few days with a friend who lived in Indiana, not too far from Louisville, and that's the only time I've spent there.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
26. That part of the state is beautiful.....
Mon Aug 15, 2016, 09:34 AM
Aug 2016

much nice than the glacial plain area I live in (IMO), but it is extremely conservative down there.

bulloney

(4,113 posts)
33. Are the voters of Indiana supporting Trump or their homestate candidate Pence?
Mon Aug 15, 2016, 10:54 AM
Aug 2016

If there's any hint of accuracy about Clinton and Trump being even in a red state like Indiana, especially with the Republican VP Candidate being a Hoosier, is pretty significant.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,898 posts)
35. I haven't a clue who the voters of Indiana are really supporting,
Mon Aug 15, 2016, 02:48 PM
Aug 2016

although the OP says Clinton and Trump are tied.

I don't live in or near Indiana.

Many have posted that Pence was facing a very uphill battle for re-election as Governor, which may have been a factor in his accepting the VP slot.

 

Ken_Jones21

(8 posts)
11. Ouch, Trump's taking quite a beating in the polls
Sun Aug 14, 2016, 01:41 AM
Aug 2016

It seems that picking Pence as his VP wasn't such a smart choice for Donald. After all, Pence is pretty much despised in that state, even more so than Mitch Daniels, who was a real scumbag.

In any case, Trump's chances of winning the election just keep getting tinier day by day. Pretty soon he'll have just a 1% chance of victory.

LonePirate

(13,431 posts)
12. If only there was a regional Repub politician on the ticket to appeal to citizens of Indiana!
Sun Aug 14, 2016, 01:45 AM
Aug 2016

Would love to see a 40+ state win by Clinton as that would probably bring the House and Senate back into the Dem column.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
24. Pence is NOT terribly popular here.
Mon Aug 15, 2016, 08:11 AM
Aug 2016

He had a good chance of losing re-election. That same internal poll shows Gregg ahead. Now Gregg is a pretty conservative Democrat, but he is MILES better than Pence, or his no-name replacement.

AwakeAtLast

(14,134 posts)
15. Pence is very disliked here
Sun Aug 14, 2016, 10:07 PM
Aug 2016

He was going to have a hard time getting reelected. He has been a disaster, and adding him to the ticket did nothing to help Trump here.

I'm ecstatic! Got rid of a bad Governor, and John Gregg will hopefully be boosted into office by the failures of these nitwits!

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
16. Indiana is the most conservative of the Great Lakes States.
Sun Aug 14, 2016, 10:16 PM
Aug 2016

It is most often Republican or conservative Democrat.

However, this summer Carrier, the big AC company in Indianapolis, announced that it was moving to Mexico. That didn't go down well.

Trump says, I repeat says, he is going to renegotiate NAFTA.

Maybe that's a factor.

Who knows?

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,438 posts)
28. Please let it be so
Mon Aug 15, 2016, 09:39 AM
Aug 2016

Republicans have been running roughshod over everybody since 2004, including essentially stripping one of the few Democratic officials in the state of her authority, and meddling in the composition of Indianapolis' City-County Council, not to mention Pence's debacle with him signing a version of RFRA that sought to allow discrimination based on religious belief, which alienated many in the business community and threatened to send businesses packing. Although I don't want him anywhere near being a heartbeat away from the Presidency, I'm glad that he decided to tie himself to what looks more and more like a fast sinking ship with Trump.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
32. What he did to Glenda Ritz will never be forgotten. She won election with
Mon Aug 15, 2016, 10:35 AM
Aug 2016

more votes than Pence.

I know a lot of republican voters here in Indiana that is getting fed up with republican obstruction to medical marijuana too.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,438 posts)
34. I get frustrated with the backwardness of our state sometimes (a lot)
Mon Aug 15, 2016, 10:58 AM
Aug 2016

and what happened to the Democratic Party here in Indiana? Does it officially exist anymore? I seriously can't tell. It seems like Bayh/O'Bannon were propping the party up for awhile and once they left State politics, it's just never been the same.

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