2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNew Indiana (internal) poll: Clinton 44 - Trump 44
https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/764655114309234688SunSeeker
(51,709 posts)bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)nt
Lefthacker
(264 posts)Georgia, Az and perhaps Utah for good measure.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,857 posts)... Indiana is full of Southern Baptists.
Trump was beating Clinton 69% to 19% among white Evangelicals in a recent FOX poll.
brooklynite
(94,736 posts)Buckeye_Democrat
(14,857 posts)vadermike
(1,417 posts)Wowza still think trump will probably win Indy but damn I think the RNC gonna cut him loose and concentrate down ballot
kimbutgar
(21,195 posts)Charles Bukowski
(1,132 posts)and that state is redder than Indiana.
With Toxic Trump, anything is possible.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,898 posts)but that 44% of the good people of Indiana apparently plan to vote for Trump in November. What can they be thinking?
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)It's all about the guns.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,898 posts)I sincerely doubt that it's only the worst of the gun crazies who will vote for him.
Truly sensible gun owners understand that no one is going to take their guns away.
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)and have been spouting for over a YEAR "she's going to take away our guns!!". I live in Southeast Indiana, so I see and hear this shit every day.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,898 posts)that Obama is going to take away their guns any minute now.
There's nothing to do with people like that, except to avoid them if you possibly can.
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)and therein lies the problem, and why Indiana has so many that will vote Trump
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)a number of acquaintances are really thinking. Agreeableness is the mode down here, and while most strong conservatives do chat about what they assume are rock-hard issues for everyone, there are always significant numbers who just smile and nod.
I think to assume most are motivated by gun rights and not a wide range of values important to them would be to make a very grave mistake. Study after study have shown that people vote their values, including those we don't bother to understand enough to realize they have any.
Also, to assume that all are the kind of hard-core conservatives we all shake our heads at, not to mention the extremists, would be a grave mistake. Big Money may have pushed the electorate right and mostly purged elective office of moderate conservatives, but they didn't manage actual brain transplants in the electorate.
One thing that most I've seen do agree on is the "danger" of the liberals taking over the Supreme Court. I'm only guessing but doubt that moderates who are keeping their mouths mostly shut would want a strongly ideologically court either direction, but I believe they'll go vote for a conservative court.
onecaliberal
(32,898 posts)They're told them same shit with NO evidence to back it up every time but they still have their killing machines don't they.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Especially in Northern Kentucky.... oops, I mean Southern Indiana.
There are pockets of blue here, such as my small city, and it gets better as you move north (generally).
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,898 posts)Thanks for the invite. I have never really visited that part of the country to speak of. About a decade ago, on a cross country drive, I stayed for a few days with a friend who lived in Indiana, not too far from Louisville, and that's the only time I've spent there.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)much nice than the glacial plain area I live in (IMO), but it is extremely conservative down there.
bulloney
(4,113 posts)If there's any hint of accuracy about Clinton and Trump being even in a red state like Indiana, especially with the Republican VP Candidate being a Hoosier, is pretty significant.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,898 posts)although the OP says Clinton and Trump are tied.
I don't live in or near Indiana.
Many have posted that Pence was facing a very uphill battle for re-election as Governor, which may have been a factor in his accepting the VP slot.
Ken_Jones21
(8 posts)It seems that picking Pence as his VP wasn't such a smart choice for Donald. After all, Pence is pretty much despised in that state, even more so than Mitch Daniels, who was a real scumbag.
In any case, Trump's chances of winning the election just keep getting tinier day by day. Pretty soon he'll have just a 1% chance of victory.
LonePirate
(13,431 posts)Would love to see a 40+ state win by Clinton as that would probably bring the House and Senate back into the Dem column.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Lol.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)He had a good chance of losing re-election. That same internal poll shows Gregg ahead. Now Gregg is a pretty conservative Democrat, but he is MILES better than Pence, or his no-name replacement.
Tactical Peek
(1,212 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)AwakeAtLast
(14,134 posts)He was going to have a hard time getting reelected. He has been a disaster, and adding him to the ticket did nothing to help Trump here.
I'm ecstatic! Got rid of a bad Governor, and John Gregg will hopefully be boosted into office by the failures of these nitwits!
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)It is most often Republican or conservative Democrat.
However, this summer Carrier, the big AC company in Indianapolis, announced that it was moving to Mexico. That didn't go down well.
Trump says, I repeat says, he is going to renegotiate NAFTA.
Maybe that's a factor.
Who knows?
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,438 posts)Republicans have been running roughshod over everybody since 2004, including essentially stripping one of the few Democratic officials in the state of her authority, and meddling in the composition of Indianapolis' City-County Council, not to mention Pence's debacle with him signing a version of RFRA that sought to allow discrimination based on religious belief, which alienated many in the business community and threatened to send businesses packing. Although I don't want him anywhere near being a heartbeat away from the Presidency, I'm glad that he decided to tie himself to what looks more and more like a fast sinking ship with Trump.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)more votes than Pence.
I know a lot of republican voters here in Indiana that is getting fed up with republican obstruction to medical marijuana too.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,438 posts)and what happened to the Democratic Party here in Indiana? Does it officially exist anymore? I seriously can't tell. It seems like Bayh/O'Bannon were propping the party up for awhile and once they left State politics, it's just never been the same.