2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI've reached a point where I lose respect for someone solely on account of their Trump support.
For me, it's become similar to when I learn someone is an anti-Semite or drops the N-word with regularity. I consider it socially unacceptable.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)It's hard to witness.
Zynx
(21,328 posts)That must actually be genuinely difficult.
unapatriciated
(5,390 posts)I'm at my son's home, taking care of the grandkids while he has surgery. His dad my ex is here and he is a trump supporter. If our son wasn't battling cancer I would tear his dad a new one.
barbtries
(28,811 posts)all the best for a healthy outcome
mountain grammy
(26,648 posts)No visits this year.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Astraea
(468 posts)Embracing a party that stands for homophobia is not something I can tolerate.
It's personal. If you can support inhumanity like that, I can't associate with you anymore.
I don't think that makes me a "single-issue" voter. It makes me a human being.
LittleGirl
(8,291 posts)I've done the same.
lapfog_1
(29,223 posts)like Nixon and Reagan... I disliked people that liked them... but starting with W (and then Palin and now Trump), I pretty much write off anyone that even sort of likes them or even those who are neutral.
pansypoo53219
(20,995 posts)barbtries
(28,811 posts)at work, even though i know there are a couple drumpf supporters, there is no vocal support at all. i don't see bumperstickers or yard signs though admittedly i now live in a bluer part of town and don't commute anymore (yay).
what i think is they're losing respect for themselves as well. he just keeps getting worse too. pundits like to claim that his supporters will never change, but i don't believe it and the polls do not bear that out. this could be a historical, spectacular loss for the republicans, as long as we get out the vote.
TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts).
I was on speakerphone so I didn't really know who was in earshot, but I said it was against an HR policy we just recently took training on. One where we all had to sign an "I attest" acknowledgement that we would adhere to this new policy.
They replied with, "Well, you passed that test."
They then said that he "seemed like he was an alien from Mars."
I just responded, "Well, I haven't seen the antennas pop up from his head yet."
.
barbtries
(28,811 posts)who wanted to put that policy in place. my bet is on the republican - because once you can start talking about it, you have the opportunity to confront with all of his bad acts. people will turn.
TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)There is no reason to discuss politics when you are supposed to be working. I never would at work. Typically on break, we discuss project of work we are doing. Doesn't make sense to discuss politics if your company isn't a political company.
barbtries
(28,811 posts)we're friends as well as co-workers so maybe that's the difference. haven't experienced any hostility yet.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)drray23
(7,637 posts)We have the same policies in our lab. No need to risk offending or even harassing people because of whom they vote for.
jambo101
(797 posts)My Dad and Brother are totally consumed with rightwing politics to the point its becoming difficult to talk to them as all they talk about is politics,the level of hate they spew on a variety of subjects makes me concerned to their mental well being, as i'm not into politics that much and think their Trump thing is a jerk they call me the family communist/socialist and treat me with disdain,a rather sad turn of events. i swear they have become afflicted with some form of collective dementia/psychosis which i think is a form of brainwashing perpetrated by the rightwing media they continually watch ,listen to and read.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Khan Affair? What about when Trump mocked the reporter with the physical disability?
Jerry442
(1,265 posts)People become ideologues because bugs crawl into their ear and eat their brains.
PatSeg
(47,586 posts)It does appear to be 'some form of collective dementia/psychosis' and I blame Fox news and right-wing radio. My family members who have bought into the extreme right-wing dogma are people who became addicted to reality TV before this political awakening. They hadn't been interested in politics previously. This has become their new reality TV and they honestly think they are informed. After all they are watching NEWS!
I think the groundwork for all this was laid after 9/11 when most of us had news channels turned on a good deal of the time. Unfortunately, some people were watching Fox and got hooked. It is designed to be addictive.
Akamai
(1,779 posts)can be fooled by the FOX network. Hartmann is certainly an advocate of a progressive news network that runs news on an ongoing basis, this from a progressive viewpoint. I sure agree with that!
PatSeg
(47,586 posts)the news channels. I was just trying to find out what was going on and I'd switch between three channels throughout the day, barely noticing what channel I was watching. I can see how someone could tune into Fox and leave it there. Eventually it would become familiar and the gradual brainwashing could begin. Most people, myself included, fall into TV viewing habits, though I honestly don't think Fox would have "taken" with me. I was reading newspapers and books as well!
helpisontheway
(5,008 posts)people on FB. They post some stupid shit (really hate filled, right wing videos about Hillary) that raises my blood pressure. I don't have time for that. I might follow them again after the election or I might leave it the way it is. One thing I did notice before unfollowing them is that none of them posted positive stuff about Trump (like they did for past presidential candidates) ! No instead they posted really awful things about Hillary or President Obama. I want to say guess what assholes, you are in the minority! Hillary is ahead and Obama is a popular president. If they stuck to the issues then I would not have an issue. Agree to disagree...However, they lose me when they substitute a K for the H in Hillary's name or start that birther shit about our President. Stick to the issues..
jambo101
(797 posts)Its as if righties have become addicted to the emotion of hate as they seem to hate everything and apparently enjoy coming up with ever increasing levels of hate , .Bros new one is evidently Hillary has killed 90 people.
barbtries
(28,811 posts)I said okay, i'll look it up, and then followed that with the truth, that i could find no credible source. silence. he may not vote for drumpf but he definitely will not vote for hillary, he's got that hate going on too strong. as unfortunately I find in many democrats these days.
apcalc
(4,465 posts)FB is dead to me. I might visit every few weeks...but beyond that , it is a cesspool of rwbs.
PatSeg
(47,586 posts)when what they post can be perceived as racism. Now it will be misogyny I think. Having different political views is one thing, but out and out ugly hate is another thing entirely.
OnionPatch
(6,169 posts)A few of my cousins, etc. are GOP supporters and the stuff they post is nothing but inflammatory, hate filled name-calling. No serious comments, questions or links about the issues. Just hate-mongering vitriol. It's disgusting. At least my liberal friends post thoughtful, even-toned comments on the issues.
sherlocksistah
(51 posts)I think they are embarrassed by Trump at this juncture! Hubby says he doesn't hear much from Trumpites anymore either. Nice to know they've decided to just STFU for awhile!
JustAnotherGen
(31,879 posts)I know one. But I work with her.
In my social media life I now (as of Thursday) know - NONE.
MyOwnPeace
(16,937 posts)car or house with a TRUMP sign, I simply look and wonder, "What's WRONG with these people?!?"
AwakeAtLast
(14,133 posts)apcalc
(4,465 posts)PasadenaTrudy
(3,998 posts)a Trump sticker or yard sign. Counting my blessings!
ailsagirl
(22,899 posts)Like me. I really don't see any political bumper stickers here (SF Bay Area)
At least not yet
PasadenaTrudy
(3,998 posts)Sanders stickers and a few Clintons. No Johnson stickers, naturally lol.
jcgoldie
(11,645 posts)You don't flip 'em the bird? I know its stupid and juvenile but I do when no-one's looking just to make myself feel better
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)I have good friends that will probably vote for him.
We go way back and share lots of interests and history. Watched and helped as their kids grew up. We really do not talk politics and they do not follow politics as closely as I do. I will not end these relationships because of politics and hope they do not. When we are all 80 and the kids have kids I do not think the election of 2016 will be that important to us personally. I think it is of critical importance now! But ending these non political relationships will not help Hillary get elected.
Most of them live very homogenous lives and would not understand Trump's potential impact on those with less power since they do not know any. I work with a very diverse group of people so probably have a broader perspective.
And if I end the relationship I will never help influence a change. I do know they are talking about it way less than the did during the past 5 presidential elections. Like none at all which I can live with.
TheBaculumKing
(102 posts)He is making people reveal themselves. All the hidden bigots and racists and general misanthropes are irresistibly drawn to support him, which exposes them. People you may never have suspected will reveal themselves.
They will not change just because he loses in November, they'll just try to duck back into their shells like turtles.
But we will all remember.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)I have found out that many of my friends are closet racists during all of this. An adjunct faculty member I knew and have kept in contact with is a nut right now. Sending awful emails about Hillary and racist stuff from Trump and his people. I have totally lost respect for him and asked him to stop emailing me. He is using the university email for this stuff if you can imagine.
PatSeg
(47,586 posts)Trump has given them permission to be openly hateful and mean-spirited. Repressed racism is coming to the surface, which is the only way it can be dealt with. I think of it like a pimple, that has to come to the surface in order to be healed.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)tnvoter
(257 posts)When I learn that one of my friends supports Trump, it's like finding out you have a friend who supports Hitler. It's a relationship-changing, actually, life-changing, event for me.
ailsagirl
(22,899 posts)Fortunately I don't know anyone who supports that jackass-- if I did, I think I would dump them
I'm lucky-- all my friends are Dems
Martin Eden
(12,875 posts)Ignorance and stupidity. Those traits are more forgivable than bigotry and cruelty, which seem to be prevalent among his supporters.
ailsagirl
(22,899 posts)It speaks volumes about their personalities or whatever
sarae
(3,284 posts)It's become an involuntary association in my mind, just like seeing a swastika or a burning cross.
I wish the news would start asking Trump voters, "How long have you been a racist?"
Paladin
(28,272 posts)pitiful human beings.
axiom3
(54 posts)Pretty much all of the Trump voters I am acquainted with are a bunch of crypto-fascist racists. They are the same morons who think Obama is a secret Muslim born in Kenya. I've tried to reason with these morons, but to no avail. So I cut ties with most of them.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)...how someone you respect and trust could support someone like Donald Trump. It is socially unacceptable. It is a line that cannot be crossed.
Doctor Jack
(3,072 posts)And I instantly though "look at this asshole". Sure I never thought highly of Bush, McCain, or Romney supporters but I never had this level of visceral disgust towards them. I think if someone supports trump, after everything he has said and done, that they are the bottom of the barrel in our society.
unitedwethrive
(1,997 posts)All of my staunchly Republican relatives have turned away from Trump for this election cycle. Most are voting for Hillary Still working on a few more!
Zynx
(21,328 posts)I joked with them, "Boy, you wouldn't think that talking to the Bernie folks."
UMTerp01
(1,048 posts)I can't speak to you or associate with you or even try to see your perspective if you support Trump, and I 99% of the time try to at least hear the other person out and hear their perspective. I can't do it if you support Trump.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)I don't want to know that I have to work with someone who supports a right-winger.
drray23
(7,637 posts)Everybody on my side and my wife's side are liberal democrats. Most of us are academics as well. There must be a correlation.. I have a few distant cousins who look like they are rw but i have no contact with them anyway.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)conservatives is to identify different facets you can respect and even admire. And from the others try to understand what's behind the statements.
For instance, distress at having the old home neighborhood where someone expected to grow old turn into something very different from what it was is very understandable, and we should be able to sympathize and care and excuse mild expressions of hostility toward newer residents, if not outrageous ones.
It might surprise some, but traditional conservatism is "temporally" (time) oriented -- with most resistance against change, less to virtually none against people because they're different. Others are economically oriented. It's the third main type, social conservatives, who fear and resent people for being different, and even among them the degree of negativism is a wide spectrum.
People like this have an important role to play in our nation. Political bigotry is just as real as racial bigotry, and to despise all conservatives as bigots is to be just as unreasonably and hatefully bigoted.
SCantiGOP
(13,873 posts)I think I would actually think better of someone if they just said, "Look, I just don't like people of other races and I want women to be compliant like they were 100 years ago" instead of spinning all the bullshit to disguise their fear and hate.
Kennah
(14,315 posts)Her RW crazy is undeterred, even though her beloved Reagan woulda kicked Trump in the nuts.
Zynx
(21,328 posts)I have no idea how someone who idolizes Reagan would like Trump. Reagan's whole pitch was that he wanted to take power away from Washington and leave more power at the local level. Trump wants us to give him sweeping powers because he claims that he alone can fix our problems. It's kind of the opposite of what Reagan sold.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,856 posts)... because I basically know that they're not very bright.
One of my nephews earned a degree in business (taking the easy route) and stated that his support for Trump is because "we need a businessman in charge for once." That's the totality of his argument, and he'll just quickly repeat it if I bring up Trump's lunacy. I don't see the point in creating a scene at family gatherings about it.
progressoid
(49,999 posts)And Trump seems to have energized them. Prior to this, they we actually kind of apathetic about politics. It's weird and disturbing.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)These Republicans are good people. We work together on many community and veteran projects here. For those who had been with Trump, the turning point was his attacking a Gold Star family.
LeftRant
(524 posts)/shunnnnnnnn-nuh