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My revised map. Feel free to laugh. (Original Post) RandySF Aug 2016 OP
I dig it. Glimmer of Hope Aug 2016 #1
Oh, hell. As Kansas goes, so goes Texas. MineralMan Aug 2016 #2
I like your thinking rock Aug 2016 #12
I heard John Podesta talk about this yesterday... brooklynite Aug 2016 #13
For me, that would depend on whether we could pick up some MineralMan Aug 2016 #15
My book says that only TX-23 (Gallego-Hurd) is remotely competetive brooklynite Aug 2016 #16
I'd like to see cannabis_flower Aug 2016 #36
Take Missouri and it would be coast to coast liberal N proud Aug 2016 #3
works for me. mopinko Aug 2016 #4
Sure, why not go for Missouri? LAS14 Aug 2016 #5
Where's all the states Jill Stein will win? Curtland1015 Aug 2016 #6
Lol! Fla Dem Aug 2016 #17
Very possible. Dawson Leery Aug 2016 #7
I am on the east coast.... sheshe2 Aug 2016 #8
What makes you think Kansas and Arizona will go blue? PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2016 #9
An internal poll by incumbent GOP Rep. Yoder in KS-03 has Clinton +6 in his district (KC suburbs). LonePirate Aug 2016 #10
Possibly multiple polls showing Clinton leading Trump in Arizona... dbackjon Aug 2016 #18
Oh, good. I didn't realize that. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2016 #21
I can see Iowa before South Carolina and Kansas Hokie Aug 2016 #11
And just a bit high...in Major League parlance whatthehey Aug 2016 #14
If you don't live in a heavy red area lancer78 Aug 2016 #44
I'm in a exurban/rural NC R+8 (147/435) red district whatthehey Aug 2016 #55
She could lose all of those and still win with 272 Bok_Tukalo Aug 2016 #54
Nebraska's 2nd district will go for Hillary. Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #19
Dude... I would love if Indiana went Blue.... Adrahil Aug 2016 #20
I'm donating directly to Gregg this month DemonGoddess Aug 2016 #24
I'll be volunteering for Gregg this fall. Hillary too! Adrahil Aug 2016 #26
I hope so! DemonGoddess Aug 2016 #28
Zero chance for Kansas oberliner Aug 2016 #22
Well, I live there and we're hearing it's in play, although still a long shot. MoonRiver Aug 2016 #23
Romney won it by over 20 points oberliner Aug 2016 #25
There was significant voter fraud two years ago. That's the only way he "won." MoonRiver Aug 2016 #33
Here in Kansas, we're suckers for name recogntion citood Aug 2016 #40
It's not just in Kansas. MoonRiver Aug 2016 #48
love your map.... chillfactor Aug 2016 #27
I like your map. gademocrat7 Aug 2016 #29
Looks good to me! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2016 #30
Texas will probably end up in the Red column but I think Houston will be blue again. Thinkingabout Aug 2016 #31
A lot of plain dumb in the middle! n/t tom_kelly Aug 2016 #32
I like it. forest444 Aug 2016 #34
I think Iowa would go blue before KS. geardaddy Aug 2016 #35
Do you give Trump Maine's 2nd Congressional District? democrattotheend Aug 2016 #37
I live in Kansas citood Aug 2016 #38
Looks good to me! ananda Aug 2016 #39
Not laughing here... I LOVE it! lunamagica Aug 2016 #41
Thanks for turning Ohio blue this time. Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #42
Love the optimism... Wounded Bear Aug 2016 #43
Kansas but not Iowa? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2016 #45
RandySF—Trade Kansas and Iowa (same-numbered electoral votes) CobaltBlue Aug 2016 #46
I would trade Iowa and Kansas and give her 1 more EC vote from Nebraska. phleshdef Aug 2016 #47
It is within the realm of possibility. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #49
I think Iowa will swing blue also Peacetrain Aug 2016 #50
Texas, Missouri, and Iowa might go blue too Botany Aug 2016 #51
Ranking the possible pickups nixonwasbetterthanW Aug 2016 #52
Switch Kansas and Texas and you're good to go. kaiden Aug 2016 #53

rock

(13,218 posts)
12. I like your thinking
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 03:15 PM
Aug 2016

I personally believe we are being too (maybe way too) conservative on predicting the electoral votes split.

brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
13. I heard John Podesta talk about this yesterday...
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 03:32 PM
Aug 2016

Texas is potentially winnable, but is it worth the investment of resources?

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
15. For me, that would depend on whether we could pick up some
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 03:34 PM
Aug 2016

House seats in that state with a strong campaign. That would make it worthwhile.

cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
36. I'd like to see
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 05:17 PM
Aug 2016

a poll on Texas. Last one I saw on 538 was taken before either convention and that was also before Trump stared shooting himself in the foot daily! That one had Trump 7 points ahead (June 10-20 - 32 Clinton, 39 Trump and 7 Johnson - that leaves 22 undecided I guess http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/texas/ ) I don't know if he's that far ahead now. Of course, it could be all the Cruz people went to Trump but I'm not so sure.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
7. Very possible.
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 02:55 PM
Aug 2016

Gary Johnson could give us Montana and Alaska also. Missouri could happen too.

Iowa could be trending GOP. The state is rural and is stagnant on the matter of population growth.
I would not be taken aback should Trump win there.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,862 posts)
9. What makes you think Kansas and Arizona will go blue?
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 03:04 PM
Aug 2016

I find it hard to imagine either state that color in November. Are you thinking that Jill Stein and Garry Johnson will take so many votes from the Trump column that Clinton will win in those places?

LonePirate

(13,426 posts)
10. An internal poll by incumbent GOP Rep. Yoder in KS-03 has Clinton +6 in his district (KC suburbs).
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 03:07 PM
Aug 2016

Romney won the district by 10. It's reasonable to assume Clinton has a small lead in KS-02 and KS-04. Trump is probably leading KS-01 by 10-12, though.

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
18. Possibly multiple polls showing Clinton leading Trump in Arizona...
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 03:56 PM
Aug 2016

If we could match the turnout among Hispanics as to whites, Arizona should always be blue.

Hokie

(4,288 posts)
11. I can see Iowa before South Carolina and Kansas
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 03:14 PM
Aug 2016

We don't even know what states are going to have McMullin on the ballot yet do we? I think he is a sure thing for Utah though and that's where he could hurt Trump the most. If he could get 20% in Utah Clinton could win.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
14. And just a bit high...in Major League parlance
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 03:33 PM
Aug 2016

No chance 15EV:

KS
SC

Little chance 33EV:

UT (only if the Maguffin catches fire with Mormons and splits the vote)
GA (yes I've seen the polls but there's always one "ooh a Dixie state could flip!" red herring every cycle)
IN (08 was a fluke with record youth/minority turnout)

Will need luck but plausible 55EV:

NC (demographics and HB2 backlash?)
AZ (demographics finally come through?)
FL (never easy to call)

Likely but some risk 31EV:
OH
VA

Good news though - she'd have to lose every single one of all the above to lose, and with the best political minds in the country running the campaign with an unmatched data arsenal, if they start seeing two, much less 3 or gods help us 4, of OH VA NC and FL looking like likely losses you can guarantee a GOTV and last month push for votes like you've never seen.

Weird shit happens, but losing this one should be akin to predicting the horse Incitatus becoming Consul.

 

lancer78

(1,495 posts)
44. If you don't live in a heavy red area
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 05:45 PM
Aug 2016

you don't realize how weak Trump is. My county went for Romney in 2012 85%-15%. I have YET TO SEE A SINGLE TRUMP CAMPAIGN SIGN, but have seen several Clinton/Kaine.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
55. I'm in a exurban/rural NC R+8 (147/435) red district
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 10:53 AM
Aug 2016

He's not weak here. Trump signs are the ONLY signs for the GE visible yet and have grown since the primaries. I'm sure a few brave Dem signs will crop up later but his have been loud proud and ubiquitous since 2015. I pass 3 private houses with Trump FLAGS for chrissake on my commute, many more signs and countless bumper stickers. It's truly good news your deep red area is less obnoxious at the moment, but no polls have indicated that is universal. He's a weak candidate for sure, but by now most should have worked out his goal is not to expand his support or persuade the vacillating. His only, slim thank Vishnu, path is what he's doing - energizing and frothing up his angry know nothing white knuckledragger base so that they all miss a bit of happy hour at the local dive and get off their saggy asses to vote for once. He's just betting there are 70 million of them. I think he's a bit optimistic, but by fucking Enlil however many there are will drag themselves over hot coals to vote for their Fuhrer who has made ignorance, bigotry, racism and misogyny politically acceptable again. He's never been talking to us. He's not talking to the centrists now. He's screaming for the mallingering deadenders, the Aryan Brotherhood, the feckless anti-intellectuals with their inferiority complexes, the MRA kids with chips bigger than a gorilla's shoulders, the jingoistic mouthbreathers who think imaginary lines on a distorted map confer special qualities and divine approval. 65-70 million of them is what he needs, and he'll get every damned blessed one out there. All we can do is bet the under.

Bok_Tukalo

(4,323 posts)
54. She could lose all of those and still win with 272
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 10:31 AM
Aug 2016

As long as she keeps Iowa and Nevada. And I think Virginia is stronger than those two.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
20. Dude... I would love if Indiana went Blue....
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 03:57 PM
Aug 2016

But I honestly can't see it. This place is full of conservative idiots. Bayh will probably get elected, and MAYBE Gregg will take governor, but....

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
24. I'm donating directly to Gregg this month
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 04:52 PM
Aug 2016

I hope like hell he wins. We do NOT need another R governor. I figure Bayh will get it. He's well respected on both sides of the aisle.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
26. I'll be volunteering for Gregg this fall. Hillary too!
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 04:54 PM
Aug 2016

Hopefully we can reverse some the damage Pence has caused this state.

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
28. I hope so!
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 04:56 PM
Aug 2016

You know, him and the jackass in KY, have both pissed off the women something fierce. I don't know ANY woman, Dem or Rep who would've voted for Pence. Not a ONE.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
23. Well, I live there and we're hearing it's in play, although still a long shot.
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 04:49 PM
Aug 2016

People are boiling mad at Brownback, and we did vote for Sebelius, twice.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
25. Romney won it by over 20 points
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 04:53 PM
Aug 2016

And Brownback was elected to a second term as governor just two years ago, in spite of the destruction he wrought on the state during his first term.

Trust me, we aren't winning Kansas.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
33. There was significant voter fraud two years ago. That's the only way he "won."
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 05:03 PM
Aug 2016

But I do agree that it probably won't go Dem.

citood

(550 posts)
40. Here in Kansas, we're suckers for name recogntion
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 05:35 PM
Aug 2016

That's really all there is to it. Don't believe me, ask 5 people who Brownback ran against both times...and I mean involved, voting people. I bet at least 4 won't know without looking it up.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
48. It's not just in Kansas.
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 07:51 AM
Aug 2016

But I do believe the pain here is becoming so acute, that people are waking up, just a bit.

forest444

(5,902 posts)
34. I like it.
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 05:04 PM
Aug 2016

But I'd substitute Iowa for Kansas.

Other than that, I think you're on to something here Randy.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
37. Do you give Trump Maine's 2nd Congressional District?
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 05:20 PM
Aug 2016

I know it is more conservative than the state as a whole but I don't think Hillary will lose that if she wins South Carolina, Kansas and Utah. Obama won all 4 electoral votes in Maine twice, as did Kerry and Gore.

citood

(550 posts)
38. I live in Kansas
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 05:32 PM
Aug 2016

Its not going Blue for the foreseeable future. I think Nebraska splits delegates like Maine, and li8kely will this time. The rest seems feasible.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,855 posts)
42. Thanks for turning Ohio blue this time.
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 05:41 PM
Aug 2016

I think that's right.

I'll be surprised if Clinton wins Kansas. She'll more likely win nearby Iowa and Missouri.

Time will tell.

 

CobaltBlue

(1,122 posts)
46. RandySF—Trade Kansas and Iowa (same-numbered electoral votes)
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 05:50 PM
Aug 2016

If you want “400” exactly—this would be more realistic.

It needs to be noted that, since 1984, Iowa has had a Democatic tilt. The Republicans who carried the state were Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush, with their 1984 and 2004 re-elections, and they won the state with lower percentage-points margins than the ones they received in the U.S. Popular Vote.

If a Democrat is winning the presidency…Iowa carries. Along with New Mexico, Iowa was the only other state which carried for popular-vote winners Al Gore (2000) and George W. Bush (2004)—and did so very closely to the popular-vote percentage-points margins. It tilts to the Ds by about +2.

Donald Trump is not going to win a Republican pickup of Iowa without winning a Republican pickup of both the Electoral College and the U.S. Popular Vote.


These recent Iowa polls are not comporting to the recent presidential election cycles and how the state has performed. I dismiss them.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
49. It is within the realm of possibility.
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 10:02 AM
Aug 2016

Hell, we could get Texas too...and I don't think Trump will get Iowa.

Botany

(70,516 posts)
51. Texas, Missouri, and Iowa might go blue too
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 10:12 AM
Aug 2016

Texas is almost 40% Hispanic.

West VA, KY, Alabama, Oklahoma, Wyoming, and Idaho are Trump's firewall.

nixonwasbetterthanW

(1,317 posts)
52. Ranking the possible pickups
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 10:17 AM
Aug 2016

Clinton's base is 242 EVs, representing the 17 states plus D.C. that have gone D in every election since 1992: CA, CT, DE, DC, HI, IL, ME, MD, MA, MI, MN, NJ, NY, PA, RI, VT, WA and WI.

Likeliest Clinton pickups (in order)
VA (13)
NH (4)
CO (9)
NM (5)
FL (29)
NV (6)
OH (18)
NC (15)
IA (6)

That's 105, bringing Clinton to 347.

Longer shots:
AZ (11)
GA (16)
UT (6)
IN (11)
NE 2nd CD (1)

Another 45, with a 392 total.

Longest shots:

SC (9)
MO (10)

411 EVs. Possible -- maybe a 15% chance at this point?

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