2016 Postmortem
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Glimmer of Hope
(5,823 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)438 Electoral votes. Might as well go for broke, eh?
rock
(13,218 posts)I personally believe we are being too (maybe way too) conservative on predicting the electoral votes split.
brooklynite
(94,598 posts)Texas is potentially winnable, but is it worth the investment of resources?
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)House seats in that state with a strong campaign. That would make it worthwhile.
brooklynite
(94,598 posts)cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)a poll on Texas. Last one I saw on 538 was taken before either convention and that was also before Trump stared shooting himself in the foot daily! That one had Trump 7 points ahead (June 10-20 - 32 Clinton, 39 Trump and 7 Johnson - that leaves 22 undecided I guess http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/texas/ ) I don't know if he's that far ahead now. Of course, it could be all the Cruz people went to Trump but I'm not so sure.
liberal N proud
(60,336 posts)And a full divide of the red
mopinko
(70,129 posts)LAS14
(13,783 posts)Curtland1015
(4,404 posts)and Evan McMullin?
Fla Dem
(23,691 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Gary Johnson could give us Montana and Alaska also. Missouri could happen too.
Iowa could be trending GOP. The state is rural and is stagnant on the matter of population growth.
I would not be taken aback should Trump win there.
sheshe2
(83,791 posts)And I love the swath of blue!
Thank you Randy!
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,862 posts)I find it hard to imagine either state that color in November. Are you thinking that Jill Stein and Garry Johnson will take so many votes from the Trump column that Clinton will win in those places?
LonePirate
(13,426 posts)Romney won the district by 10. It's reasonable to assume Clinton has a small lead in KS-02 and KS-04. Trump is probably leading KS-01 by 10-12, though.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)If we could match the turnout among Hispanics as to whites, Arizona should always be blue.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,862 posts)Hokie
(4,288 posts)We don't even know what states are going to have McMullin on the ballot yet do we? I think he is a sure thing for Utah though and that's where he could hurt Trump the most. If he could get 20% in Utah Clinton could win.
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)No chance 15EV:
KS
SC
Little chance 33EV:
UT (only if the Maguffin catches fire with Mormons and splits the vote)
GA (yes I've seen the polls but there's always one "ooh a Dixie state could flip!" red herring every cycle)
IN (08 was a fluke with record youth/minority turnout)
Will need luck but plausible 55EV:
NC (demographics and HB2 backlash?)
AZ (demographics finally come through?)
FL (never easy to call)
Likely but some risk 31EV:
OH
VA
Good news though - she'd have to lose every single one of all the above to lose, and with the best political minds in the country running the campaign with an unmatched data arsenal, if they start seeing two, much less 3 or gods help us 4, of OH VA NC and FL looking like likely losses you can guarantee a GOTV and last month push for votes like you've never seen.
Weird shit happens, but losing this one should be akin to predicting the horse Incitatus becoming Consul.
lancer78
(1,495 posts)you don't realize how weak Trump is. My county went for Romney in 2012 85%-15%. I have YET TO SEE A SINGLE TRUMP CAMPAIGN SIGN, but have seen several Clinton/Kaine.
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)He's not weak here. Trump signs are the ONLY signs for the GE visible yet and have grown since the primaries. I'm sure a few brave Dem signs will crop up later but his have been loud proud and ubiquitous since 2015. I pass 3 private houses with Trump FLAGS for chrissake on my commute, many more signs and countless bumper stickers. It's truly good news your deep red area is less obnoxious at the moment, but no polls have indicated that is universal. He's a weak candidate for sure, but by now most should have worked out his goal is not to expand his support or persuade the vacillating. His only, slim thank Vishnu, path is what he's doing - energizing and frothing up his angry know nothing white knuckledragger base so that they all miss a bit of happy hour at the local dive and get off their saggy asses to vote for once. He's just betting there are 70 million of them. I think he's a bit optimistic, but by fucking Enlil however many there are will drag themselves over hot coals to vote for their Fuhrer who has made ignorance, bigotry, racism and misogyny politically acceptable again. He's never been talking to us. He's not talking to the centrists now. He's screaming for the mallingering deadenders, the Aryan Brotherhood, the feckless anti-intellectuals with their inferiority complexes, the MRA kids with chips bigger than a gorilla's shoulders, the jingoistic mouthbreathers who think imaginary lines on a distorted map confer special qualities and divine approval. 65-70 million of them is what he needs, and he'll get every damned blessed one out there. All we can do is bet the under.
Bok_Tukalo
(4,323 posts)As long as she keeps Iowa and Nevada. And I think Virginia is stronger than those two.
Maru Kitteh
(28,341 posts)1 more electoral vote for Madam President!
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)But I honestly can't see it. This place is full of conservative idiots. Bayh will probably get elected, and MAYBE Gregg will take governor, but....
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)I hope like hell he wins. We do NOT need another R governor. I figure Bayh will get it. He's well respected on both sides of the aisle.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Hopefully we can reverse some the damage Pence has caused this state.
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)You know, him and the jackass in KY, have both pissed off the women something fierce. I don't know ANY woman, Dem or Rep who would've voted for Pence. Not a ONE.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Not going to happen.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)People are boiling mad at Brownback, and we did vote for Sebelius, twice.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)And Brownback was elected to a second term as governor just two years ago, in spite of the destruction he wrought on the state during his first term.
Trust me, we aren't winning Kansas.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)But I do agree that it probably won't go Dem.
citood
(550 posts)That's really all there is to it. Don't believe me, ask 5 people who Brownback ran against both times...and I mean involved, voting people. I bet at least 4 won't know without looking it up.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)But I do believe the pain here is becoming so acute, that people are waking up, just a bit.
chillfactor
(7,576 posts)hope it holds to be the truth!
gademocrat7
(10,660 posts)RKP5637
(67,111 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)tom_kelly
(960 posts)forest444
(5,902 posts)But I'd substitute Iowa for Kansas.
Other than that, I think you're on to something here Randy.
geardaddy
(24,931 posts)democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)I know it is more conservative than the state as a whole but I don't think Hillary will lose that if she wins South Carolina, Kansas and Utah. Obama won all 4 electoral votes in Maine twice, as did Kerry and Gore.
citood
(550 posts)Its not going Blue for the foreseeable future. I think Nebraska splits delegates like Maine, and li8kely will this time. The rest seems feasible.
ananda
(28,866 posts)I hope to see even more blue in November!
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Buckeye_Democrat
(14,855 posts)I think that's right.
I'll be surprised if Clinton wins Kansas. She'll more likely win nearby Iowa and Missouri.
Time will tell.
Wounded Bear
(58,670 posts)ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Or Missouri?
And why the fuck would Maine split?
CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)If you want 400 exactlythis would be more realistic.
It needs to be noted that, since 1984, Iowa has had a Democatic tilt. The Republicans who carried the state were Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush, with their 1984 and 2004 re-elections, and they won the state with lower percentage-points margins than the ones they received in the U.S. Popular Vote.
If a Democrat is winning the presidency
Iowa carries. Along with New Mexico, Iowa was the only other state which carried for popular-vote winners Al Gore (2000) and George W. Bush (2004)and did so very closely to the popular-vote percentage-points margins. It tilts to the Ds by about +2.
Donald Trump is not going to win a Republican pickup of Iowa without winning a Republican pickup of both the Electoral College and the U.S. Popular Vote.
These recent Iowa polls are not comporting to the recent presidential election cycles and how the state has performed. I dismiss them.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)Hell, we could get Texas too...and I don't think Trump will get Iowa.
Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)Botany
(70,516 posts)Texas is almost 40% Hispanic.
West VA, KY, Alabama, Oklahoma, Wyoming, and Idaho are Trump's firewall.
nixonwasbetterthanW
(1,317 posts)Clinton's base is 242 EVs, representing the 17 states plus D.C. that have gone D in every election since 1992: CA, CT, DE, DC, HI, IL, ME, MD, MA, MI, MN, NJ, NY, PA, RI, VT, WA and WI.
Likeliest Clinton pickups (in order)
VA (13)
NH (4)
CO (9)
NM (5)
FL (29)
NV (6)
OH (18)
NC (15)
IA (6)
That's 105, bringing Clinton to 347.
Longer shots:
AZ (11)
GA (16)
UT (6)
IN (11)
NE 2nd CD (1)
Another 45, with a 392 total.
Longest shots:
SC (9)
MO (10)
411 EVs. Possible -- maybe a 15% chance at this point?