Wasserman Schultz poised to beat Sanders-backed challenger

[brooklynite]

Politico

Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s summer from hell has been a hand-wrapped gift to her Bernie Sanders-backed primary opponent. But even her critics say it would take a miracle for the longtime Miami congresswoman and persona non grata of the progressive left to lose her seat in the Aug. 30 election.

The fallout from the embarrassing Democratic National Committee email leak last month was swift and severe, costing Wasserman Schultz her chairmanship on the eve of the party's national convention after five years in that job. There’s quite a ways between that, however, and losing reelection: A fixture of South Florida politics for nearly a quarter-century, Wasserman Schultz remains the prohibitive favorite to beat Tim Canova and return to the House for a seventh term, according to recent polling and Florida political operatives.

“As much as I would like to say otherwise, I think his chances are pretty slim,” said Ben Pollara, a Democratic political consultant who once worked for Wasserman Schultz but is now a critic.

“I think on the basis of demographics, it doesn’t matter who the challenger is or what the issues are, barring something like an indictment, it’s her district,” he said. Pollara manages United for Care, a group backing the medical marijuana initiative that Wasserman Schultz has fought against.

Personally, I think too much of Canova's campaign, and the drive of his out-of-State contributors was her role as DNC Chair, which I don't think the average district voter cared about.

[NurseJackie]

1. Good! She'll be a much-needed, seasoned and experienced ally in congress.

[Ken Burch]

64. There's no need for anyone who supports private prison subsidies, payday usury,

and the status quo on drug policy.

All of those positions serve only the 1%.

[NurseJackie]

66. The voters disagree.

[Ken Burch]

68. She's only eight points ahead in the poll that was just released, so the voters may NOT agree.

Other than the fact that she was for HRC, what exactly do you like about her, and what could make up for all of those reactionary policy stands she takes?

It's not as if she's on the side of the 99% to any real degree.

[NurseJackie]

76. Eight points is eight points. There's a reason she's winning. She knows what her constituents want.

It will be good to have an experienced winner in congress to help move Hillary's plans and policies forward.

You guys just have to face it, sometimes the "best" and purest candidate isn't always the one that can win the election and help to move (or keep) the balance of power in our favor. Sometimes you have to be strategic instead of emotional. That's always been one of your shortcomings and we saw how that turned out during the primaries. You'd think you'd learn from mistakes. (And by "you" I mean "you all" collectively.)

We'll see how things turn out when the voters finally get to have their say.

[Ken Burch]

77. How do you know that DWS is worth saving?

Other than guns and choice, she doesn't fight for our side on most issues.

And there's no excuse for any Dem to still support the war on drugs. Her district isn't full of far-right law and order types, and anybody there who is like that is going to vote GOP no matter what.

We never serve progressive goals by choosing the least-progressive candidate as Democratic nominee. 1976 and 1992 prove this.

[NurseJackie]

81. Later rinse repeat.

She's the one that the majority of her constituents want, and obviously she'll fare pretty well in the general. Again, the purest candidate isn't always the one who can win.

Strategy vs emotion. I'll give the edge to strategy and being practical.

All these hand-wringers and purity-test worry-warts are all the same. Sometimes the ACTUAL WIN is more important than the "warm afterglow" knowing that you picked the purest candidate but losing anyway.

[Ken Burch]

83. It's a safe Democratic seat. And the voters there aren't drug war extremists

or supporters of private prisons.

There are very few seats anywhere now where we have to settle for someone who is mixed on the issues.

None where we have to get the support of the payday usury industry.

[NurseJackie]

87. Looks like you'll have to deal with being disappointed again.

Pity.

Besides, everyone knows that DWS is just a convenient punching bag for Hillary Haters.

It's a safe Democratic seat.

Yes! Thank you, DWS! Good work!

You guys crack me up!

[Ken Burch]

112. You've got nothing to be contemptuous about towards progressives.

We won the argument on the issues and the platform is a lot better than it would have been if HRC had been coronated.
Those victories on platform language are the reason the Green vote is as inconsequentally low as it is. You should therefore be grateful that the Sanders campaign happened.

It's not about "purity", it's about defending principle and this party doesn't need to water things down to win. None of us have made a big deal about nothing on the issues.

In fact, if we HAD put the specific "no TPP" language in the platform, we'd probably be twenty points up by now because we'd be breaking even among working-class whites(and doing so without betraying any of the issues you prioritize and that I join you in supporting).

It's only the centrist planks on economics that keep Drumpf within striking difference.

[NurseJackie]

122. You guys flatter yourselves ...

... undeservedly.

[Hortensis]

192. I'm afraid I agree. Senator Sanders' great contribution was to

reveal the strength of desire among DEMOCRATS, ESPECIALLY LIBERAL DEMOCRATS, for stronger progressive solutions. No one suspected it was that strong, not even political scientists deciding what questions to ask on studies of what people wanted, so Sanders' candidacy performed a great service for the entire nation.

HOWEVER,
* all liberal Democrats are progressive, and no doubt even some of our conservative Democrats,
* the vast majority of Sanders' supporters are/were liberal Democrats, and
* to credit only the far left with the progressivism of the Democratic platform and of Hillary Clinton is just plain unrealistic.

It's a shame this isn't appreciated by quite all because we are winding up to achieve really significant goals through use of progressive government actions. It's time to be very hopeful and very grateful to each other.

[NurseJackie]

162. In my opinion, she makes a convenient and "safe" punching bag...

... for people who still have "issues" with Hillary but who daren't express their honest and innermost regrets about her.

DWS is a fucking traitor to the Democratic party, and we'd be better off without that kind of 'friend'.

Well, you can't please everyone, JohnPoet. At least those who voted for her are happy... so that's something, right?

[NurseJackie]

164. Or, maybe they don't see or characterize things the same way that you do.

Keep punching. Get it all out of your system. DWS can take it.

[MADem]

188. I would not be surprised if she eventually replaces Pelosi or Hoyer in the House.

People in her district like her, but most importantly, HER PEERS IN THE HOUSE like her.

They really don't give two figs about what someone from some other state might think--they find her effective.

After all this brouhaha fades, and "Waaaah DWS" is as distant a memory as "Occupy Wall Street" (remember that? Camping on the frozen ground, pooping in plastic bags, fighting with the police over temporary kitchens....politicians and public officials rolling their eyes and chuckling indulgently? The only effective demonstrations coordinated by tough, hairy union guys who went home to their soft beds every night? Demonstrations routinely disrupted by hate-filled Black Bloc anarchists and nut-job Paulbots? THAT OWS? LOL!*) I think it's onward and upward for a very tough and very smart female, Jewish politician who makes no apologies or excuses for who she is, how she feels and what she cares about. I may not agree with her on every line item, but she understands the trajectory and she's capable of tacking to keep the boat sailing forward.

*Sidebar: I was in a parking lot yesterday, and I passed by a fancy black Lexus with a "We are the 99%" bumper sticker. I wasn't sure if it was a snarking asshole or someone completely unaware of the concept....or maybe a clueless urban camper!

[NurseJackie]

194. But, but, but ... she's not pure! :-P

You explained everything perfectly. She's just the convenient enemy of the month. And Jill Stein is the convenient victim of the month.

The folks who blindly and irrationally "hate" DWS (among them many stealthy Hillary haters, I presume) appear to be dealing with some sort of issues that aren't yet resolved.

If you carefully read their words, sometimes the truth is inadvertently revealed. Other times you have to know someone's posting history (both here and "abroad&quot and it's easier to read between the lines and to understand their motivation as well as their true meaning and intent.

Ultimately, we need to all come together and get on-board and on the same page to make sure that Hillary wins, and that we take as many seats as possible in the House and Senate.

[hollowdweller]

216. I totally agree. She's just like Paul Ryan

Some of us may hate what they stand for but their constituents make the decision.

[Bill USA]

115. it's never good to confuse religion with politics.

[Ken Burch]

140. I didn't mean "saving" in that sense. n/t.

[NurseJackie]

135. Awww... I love you too, Chascarrillo. :-P

[George II]

136. Gone too fast, I would have said something "sweet", too. Nice guy, eh?

[NurseJackie]

139. This is why they keep losing.

[Ken Burch]

141. Who do you mean by "they"?

Nobody here is an intruder.

As to progressives, we've actually won a fair amount of the time.

Not sure why you think being like this helps HRC.

[NurseJackie]

143. The Hillary haters. How are they helping?

There are many intruders here ... I'm not blind and I'm not stupid. Are Jill Stein voters progressives too?

[Ken Burch]

150. I'm not a Hillary hater or a Stein supporter.

Stein is dead in the water and the best way to keep her that way is to make a positive case to former Sanders supporters that his campaign made a difference. Doing that is going to be far more effective than screaming "Stein is working with Trump".

And you should want people who are working to win over the tiny number of former Sanders people who aren't yet backing our ticket to be effective in doing so-not treating us as if we can't be trusted.

[NurseJackie]

160. The effort made for that "tiny number" would be better spent ...

And you should want people who are working to win over the tiny number of former Sanders people who aren't yet backing our ticket...

The effort made for that "tiny number" would be better spent going after reasonable voters who reside nearer the center of the political spectrum. If that "tiny number" is not on-board with Hillary yet, then they are definitely kooky fringe voters (in my opinion). They'll never be happy with anything, so why bother with them? You can't please everyone, and it makes no sense to risk LOSING more votes from the center and center-right just to gain a few votes from the left-fringe.

...who aren't yet backing our ticket to be effective in doing so-not treating us as if we can't be trusted.

"Us" ?? Interesting that you include yourself in that group. Surely it's just a slip of the tongue, an inadvertent choice of words, eh?

Regardless, the Bobs have made very clear their intentions. I'll take them at their word. In my opinion, it's probably best for the campaign to simply write off the unappeasable and perpetual malcontents, and instead, to put their main focus on GOTV efforts. That's going to be much more productive.

[Ken Burch]

174. By "us", I meant the people doing the persuading, not the Bobs. I'm not a Bob.

And I'll thank you never to question my loyalties again.

And denouncing Stein isn't going to impress anyone near the center at all. Besides which, at this point, we've got everyone in the middle of the road that we CAN get...and we've won them without tacking right.

[NurseJackie]

177. Actually, I noted your odd and awkward wording and gave you the benefit of the doubt.

And I'll thank you never to question my loyalties again.

Is that what you thought? How weird! What an imagination!

And denouncing Stein isn't going to impress anyone near the center at all.

Nor will taking our party in the direction of the koo-koo-fringe Greenies. Nor will trying to make-nice with the Hillary Haters.

Tack-right, tack-left, there's an ideal SWEET SPOT that's perfectly balanced to optimize the maximum number of votes. I'm all in favor of Hillary and our party finding that spot. If it "loses" the support of a few hypersensitive, tightly-wound Jill defenders, but gains hundreds more from the center and center-right, well... that's fine with me.

You guys can just keep bashing on DWS as a convenient backdoor and under-the-radar roundabout proxy. Get it out of your system now. The weather is starting to warm up and the ice is getting thinner.

[Ken Burch]

200. We're in that spot now. We're in a stronger place than any Democratic ticket in decades

at this point in the race.

The way to win "centrist" votes is(as HRC manages to brilliantly)to present practical solutions and look competent. You don't win them by saying "I hate the left more than the right, and the Sixties, the Rainbow Coalition, and Occupy were bullshit". Nobody out there is looking for this party to tell the left to go to hell. Left ideas are popular and inspire enthusiasm.

Maybe you hate us(what did the left ever do to you, personally?), but we aren't your enemies.

We can't ever go back to Nineties politics. That was a dead zone.

[Armstead]

169. Stop being logical

[MADem]

189. Well, the one doing the "screaming" is Trump, himself.

And THE HILL agrees with him--so maybe you should recalibrate your POV on this matter....?

Trump: A Vote For Jill Stein Helps Me
July 28, 2016 by Michael Stone 31 Comments


Donald Trump supports Jill Stein, says a vote for the Green Party will help him win the election.
On the campaign trail Wednesday Trump praised Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein, saying he would be happy if people voted for the Green Party candidate for president because it would draw votes away from Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton.
During a rally in Toledo, Ohio, Trump said:

I think a vote for Stein would be good – that’s the Green Party – Because I figure anyone voting for Stein is gonna be for Hillary. So I think vote for Stein is fine.

The Hill notes that Trump is correct, and that a vote for Stein does amount to a vote for Trump. They point to the 2000 presidential election, when Democrat Al Gore lost to Republican George W. Bush in a very close race, which was at least partially because Gore lost many liberal votes to Ralph Nader.
- See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2016/07/trump-a-vote-for-jill-stein-helps-me/#sthash.jARcLDhE.dpuf

[KMOD]

144. You need to stop.

Hillary Clinton has been progressive, liberal, left, however you want to define it, her entire career.

You can not name another Democrat who has done more good than she has.

True liberals, or true progressives, or however you wish to define them, back Hillary Clinton and we back her strongly.

[Ken Burch]

145. I'm supporting her now.

This is not about the primaries. We're past that now.

[KMOD]

146. Are you?

[Ken Burch]

148. Absolutely.

Nothing I've posted in this thread is hostile to HRC. I accept that she's the nominee and have started several threads working to persuade former Sanders supporters to back the Clinton/Kaine ticket.

[Maru Kitteh]

151. I'm glad to see & appreciate the entire spectrum of people who are supporting HRC

We really ARE stronger together!

I'm excited about the progressive platform Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton constructed together and even more excited that she is doubling down on higher minimum wage and single-payer option for all!



I'm also happy that SBS is working to get progressive Dems elected across the country, especially in areas that were red. Makes me all happy inside.

GO DEMS!

[Ken Burch]

153. Thanks. n/t.

[NurseJackie]

157. Not *directly* hostile, of course not. You're too smart for that. Well done, you!

Nothing I've posted in this thread is hostile to HRC.

Ahh, the predictable "Who me?" moment. A very carefully and precisely worded defense that's matched only by the precision of attacks and smears on DWS. But I can see what this is about, and what DWS represents to you.

I accept that she's the nominee and have started several threads working to persuade former Sanders supporters to back the Clinton/Kaine ticket.

Well, at least you haven't been one of those horrid little snakes who post things about how Jill Stein has a lot of valid and valuable ideas that could make the Democratic party better if only we'd be smart enough to adopt them... or that we should stop being critical of Jill Stein because we need her supporters ... blah blah blah.

[Armstead]

170. From a horrid little snake....

Some of us happen to support the principles of the Democratic party but also look beyond the "Go Team Go" mentality, and look at what the "game" is all about, and the actual stakes involved.

You may now post one of your sassy, dismissive gifs.

[NurseJackie]

172. Winning is everything! Defeating the GOP is everything. GO TEAM GO!!

Victory BEFORE vanity!

Go, Hillary! Beat Trump!

[Ken Burch]

176. Not even indirectly hostile. I don't have to support DWS to support HRC.

BTW, what is so horrible about adopting ideas from parties to our left? That's basically where we got everything in the New Deal...none of those ideas were adopted by centrists.

The issue here is Stein splitting the vote...not the notion that Stein's supposed principles are evil.

Bashing the Greens is never going to gain us votes in the center. Nobody is going to swing to us if only HRC goes "Sistah Souljah" on the independent left.

[NurseJackie]

179. It's 2016, not 1932.

Bashing the Greens is never going to gain us votes in the center.

Becoming Green won't either. It's likely to LOSE more voters than koo-koo-flake fringe voters it would gain.

So, y'all just keep on with the hate hate hate of DWS. She'll just shake it off!

[Ken Burch]

198. It's not "hate". It's legitimate disagreement on the issues.

I have no feelings one way or the other about DWS as a person, and her defeat wouldn't harm HRC's chances in the fall in the slightest. ANY Dem can win that district.

People are looking for bigger change. That's why HRC is running on a significantly different platform than in '08(and why she'd be doing even better if we had made it clear in the platform that TPP will not happen if HRC is elected). This is not a bland centrist era.

And we aren't going to BECOME the Greens, but embracing at least some of their ideas(most of which they didn't invent)isn't a bad thing.

And we don't need DWS to be renominated to win centrist votes for HRC.

[NurseJackie]

203. It's definitely "hate" ... an irrational fixation on a single high-profile symbolic target.

And we aren't going to BECOME the Greens, but embracing at least some of their ideas(most of which they didn't invent)isn't a bad thing.

No we're not, despite your efforts, thankfully. The reason they're a separate and fringe party is because they glom on to the most extreme ideas that have already been rejected by our party, and because of their "no compromise ever" attitude. Why weaken our party by becoming as kooky as the lunatic fringe?

They are a gadfly party. Nothing but trouble. They're dangerous. Fuck them, fuck their supporters and fuck their defenders and admirers.

And we don't need DWS to be renominated to win centrist votes for HRC.

When did I say that, Mr. Strawman? We need DWS in congress. Not some newbie.

[Ken Burch]

205. You've said that when you've argued that voting against DWS hurts HRC somehow.

If HRC wins, she's just going to appoint DWS to Congress, so re-nominating her is actually pointless. If Trump wins, it doesn't MATTER who's in Congress, because then we'll be organizing an antifascist resistance movement rather than a political party-normal politics will no longer exist in that situation.

[NurseJackie]

206. You're no longer making sense. Take a break.

[Demsrule86]

209. Yeah but we might be at risk to lose the seat...we need that seat. nt

[Ken Burch]

212. It's a seat any Dem can win.

We don't have to nominate a drug warrior who loves payday usury and private prisons to hold it.

[Demsrule86]

213. so says you.

Why take the risk and why do you even care? Come one, we all know that this hatred of DWS is primary related...and the primary is over.

[Ken Burch]

214. The other point is this:

If HRC wins(as she almost certainly will), HRC will appoint her to some position(hopefully not drug czar) and there will have to be a special election to fill the seat anyway.

Given that, is there really any point to re-nominating DWS?

It's not "hatred"...it's about legitimate disagreements with DWS over the unnecessarily right-wing positions she takes on many major issues(most of them, in fact, other than guns and choice...not that those aren't important, but they aren't worth conservatism on other major issues). Also, she has hurt the Democratic Party in Florida by refusing to campaign for the Democratic candidates in winnable seats currently held by Republicans.

And I support Tim Canova for positive reasons...because I think he is much more progressive, because it is a way to carry forward the values Sanders people fought for and still fight for(I assume you'll accept that as a legitimate objective), and because, for myself, I find it a wonderfully good sign to see a progressive politician of Cuban exile ancestry rising in Florida politics. It's a wonderful thing when someone like that emerges from any historically right wing community(As a person whose family moved from Tennessee to Oregon in 1914, I'd say the same thing about progressive white Southern politicians if they started appearing in any significant numbers).

So you've got me wrong. I support HRC AND I support Tim. A lot of people can say the same.

[Demsrule86]

217. I don't think DWS will serve in the cabinet.

She is too controversial. I know little about Canova good or bad. In general, the candidate must be right for the district. If you have an incumbent who can win...I am not in favor of primarying that person unless there is a very good reason.

[Ken Burch]

218. If not in the cabinet, she could be some sort of "czar"-or possibly chief of staff.

n/t.

[Demsrule86]

219. I don't think so. she is a legislator and is interested in House leadership. nt.

[BobbyDrake]

187. You wrote "coronated," which kind of exposes you as an HRC hater.

Try to deny you wrote that now. I need a good laugh.

[Ken Burch]

199. I won't deny it. I supported Bernie in the primaries.

It doesn't mean I hate HRC. And I support HRC now. It's just that she wasn't entitled to an uncontested nomination and nothing would be better if she'd won THAT way. HRC is a stronger candidate because of the way the primaries played out and is doing much better than she otherwise would have been in the polls.

Why do you seem to be fixated on discrediting me personally? I've done nothing to you. You have no reason to feel hostility towards me.

I'm just as loyal to the Democratic ticket as you are.

[BobbyDrake]

204. NurseJackie is right, you ARE the fixated one. Fixated on spreading your Clinton hate.

And I'm tired of it, so while I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt before, now you're going on Ignore.

Goodbye, HRC hater.

[Armstead]

168. Strategic rather than emotional?

Tell that to the parents of someone who is sitting in a private prison because he got busted for smoking a reefer.

This is real life, not some reality game show.

[NurseJackie]

171. We need strong Dems in congress. Nobody's perfect and you can't please everyone.

But it appears that she pleases enough voters to remain in office.

Keep punching at DWS if it makes you feel better ... she can take it.

[skylucy]

126. I agree.

[NurseJackie]

165. Hillary and Obama both disagree with you.

I doubt either one would want to associate so closely with a "fucking traitor" (as you call her.) So, that makes me question whether your judgement is based on strategy and reason, or just emotion and anger and an inability to move on, and finding comfort in holding grudges.

In any case, it really doesn't matter one way or the other. Hillary is our nominee, and I'm sure that DWS doesn't mind being a punching bag. She can take the hostility, hate and anger that's directed toward her.

[lamp_shade]

2. Good.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. Too bad. DWS is an embarrassment.

[Snotcicles]

4. If she does lose she can always go back to carrying water for payday lenders. nt

[geardaddy]

57. And a shill for Republicans when it's expedient for her. n/t

[Sorceress]

156. Agreed. This is not a good look. eom

[scscholar]

5. Good. It was sad to see people hate her because of the media's bias

[Wilms]

12. You are behind on your studies, Scholar.

[Ken Burch]

65. She is opposed because of her right-wing vies, not because of anything the media did.

You're not a Democrat if you support payday usury, the status quo on the drug war, and continued mass federal subsidies for private prisons.

Even in Florida, a Democrat doesn't ever need to sound like she agrees with Horatio Caine on anything.

[Demsrule86]

117. She is opposed because some think she caused Sanders to lose

She did no such thing and the primary is over...time to move on...who cares about a congressional seat in Florida except for the overall dem numbers...I live in Ohio and I don't...I do feel she was treated unfairly.

[MadBadger]

222. Okay, Donald

[Mika]

6. I'm supporting Canova, with my money and time.

Cannot forgive DWS for not supporting Democratic campaigns against Florida republicans in her past and present.

[Snotcicles]

7. .

[bekkilyn]

26. +1 (nt)

[VulgarPoet]

47. +1

[Demsrule86]

118. That is your right. nt

[BlueMTexpat]

8. I'm no great fan of

DWS. But the anti-DWS crap was WAY OTT even here on DU, IMO. It even contributed to my sending her some $$$ because it really pissed me off.

She has represented her district well and those voters will likely re-elect her, despite her - mostly - out-of-state detractors.

Tim Canova may be a decent guy and a good candidate. All kudos to him for running. But it would have been better for him to be able to run in a district where the seat is currently held by a GOPer. Where we really need good Dems in 2016 and in the future is as challengers for GOP seats, NOT for safe Dem seats.

[KMOD]

11. +1

Well said.

[Grassy Knoll]

13. Nice..

[misterhighwasted]

32. Thank You. His campaign was there for revenge. Not the heart of the District nor the

defeat of the GOP. In this election he may have indeed unseated a Repub considering their currently fraying Party.

would have been better for him to be able to run in a district where the seat is currently held by a GOPer. Where we really need good Dems in 2016[/i]

[Tarheel_Dem]

53. ^^^ THIS ^^^

[Ken Burch]

74. More of Tim's donors in-state. It's not as though only out-of-state people had issues with DWS

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She's right-wing in a progressive district. That district doesn't NEED someone who still supports the failed drug war, who still defends payday usury, who still defends private prison subsidies.

[BobbyDrake]

79. Link? Citation? Evidence?

Sorry Ken, but your word is simply not enough.

[Ken Burch]

84. It's been posted here before.

I'll find a damn link, but you know I'm not lying.

[BobbyDrake]

95. I'll wait then, because I don't give credit for "I saw it around here somewhere."

By all means, prove me wrong.

[Ken Burch]

100. Yet you give credit for the claim that Canova's campaign is an out-of-state anti-Florida

plot(a claim that is a variant on the "outside agitators" canard aimed at every people's movement that ever happened anywhere).

[BobbyDrake]

106. I've done no such thing. And deflection won't change the fact that you made a false claim

and now you can't prove it.

In other words, the same thing you always do.

Find that link yet? Still waiting.

[Ken Burch]

110. I didn't make a false claim.

http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/news/only-10-percent-of-tim-canovas-huge-fundraising-total-came-from-floridians-7748436

(I'll find more links later).

This shows that DWS had 128 fewer in-state donors than Canova (though her in-state donors gave more, being wealthier and thus more corrupt and self-interested).

And out of state donors are only an issue if they make big donations that can distort the process). It's no big deal when people send you twenty or thirty bucks from somewhere else. That's just legitimate democratic participation. It's no different than thousands of college kids from all over the country going to New Hampshire or Wisconsin or Oregon to work for Eugene McCarthy in 1968.

[BobbyDrake]

111. "Most of Tim's money was in-state." Proven false by your own link.

2nd paragraph:

According to figures Canova's campaign provided, roughly 90 percent of Canova's donations have come from non-Floridians.

And then there's this, towards the bottom:

The Center for Responsive Politics, which operates the website OpenSecrets.org, keeps demographic data on every federal election in the country; according to the site, just 1 percent of Canova's large donations — a scant $1,000 — have come from his own district.

Among donors of $200 or more, Canova's top five zip codes are Park Slope, Brooklyn; Manhattan's Upper West Side; Princeton, New Jersey; Malibu, California; and Key Largo, Florida.

Sorry, Ken.

[Ken Burch]

113. What matters is that Tim has more in-state donors than DWS.

BOTH of them get more donations out of state than in-state, therefore where the donations come from doesn't matter.

Tiny out-of-state donors are not illegitimate and don't discredit a candidate.

And most in-state DWS donors are rich people. Democrats shouldn't try to appeal to the wealthy.

It's a badge of honor to have fewer big donors and more small ones.

Big donors are always a sign of corruption

[BobbyDrake]

120. Again, deflection doesn't save you. What you claimed isn't true, verified by your own link.

[Ken Burch]

123. You're hairsplitting.

The point is, if DWS has fewer in-state donors than Tim, it means they are BOTH getting most of the money from out of state and that there is no issue here.

I got it wrong on one trivially small detail, I'll concede that point. And I corrected the post on that one small detail.

No intentional false claim, just a minor and rectified mistake.

[LuvLoogie]

149. Ken, you sound more like a demagogue than a progressive.

"Democrats shouldn't try to appeal to the wealthy.

It's a badge of honor to have fewer big donors and more small ones.

Big donors are always a sign of corruption"

That statement really borders on the maudlin.

[Ken Burch]

152. It's what FDR would say.

Seeking big donors always means watering down our principles. It serves no greater good. We cam win on enthusiam and people power.

[think]

180. Lobbyists are cool now aye?

[DemonGoddess]

93. ^^^This!!!

[onehandle]

9. Canova never had a chance. People in the district essentially think of him as a 'carpetbagger.'

Because of the influence of out of district money. No matter where he's actually from.

They know Wasserman Schultz from her high visibility and success actually in the district.

Now, thanks to people who wanted her out of the DNC, she has time to win this easily.

[BlueMTexpat]

15. This ...

Now, thanks to people who wanted her out of the DNC, she has time to win this easily.

It's been a great example of unintended consequences.

[Glamrock]

133. As long ad she's no longer running anything

I'm fine with the "unintended consequences".

[Ken Burch]

73. DWS gets more out of district money than Tim. Nobody in the district cares about

Tim getting out of state support.

Why defend someone who is right wing on the drug war, on private prisons, on payday usury and on trade policy?

It's not a conservative district.

[tammywammy]

82. Link?

DWS gets more out of district money than Tim. Nobody in the district cares about

Tim getting out of state support.

[onehandle]

98. Canova is famous for his out of district money and nothing more in the 23rd district.

And how 'outsiders' are trying to oust their present Representative.

This is what friends have told me from that area.

Additionally, Hillary is very, very popular there, and so is Debbie.

[Ken Burch]

101. This has nothing to do with HRC. I'm supporting HRC in the fall.

It's about DWS on her merits.

She's way too far to the right to be representing a safe Democratic seat.

[think]

105. DWS is famous for refusing to support other local House Democratic candidates because of her GOP

House relationships.

How does that help the Democrats in any fashion?

[Mika]

130. It doesn't help. We have too many RWers in Fl.

And by not campaigning nor supporting Dem opponents of these Fla GOPers she is aiding and abetting them by default.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

10. Canova's been forced to beg for votes on "Ballots and Bullets" nutbag Joyce Kaufman's radio show.

He's done.

[BobbyDrake]

14. Awesome. Glad to see her overcome the bitter and petty forces who malign her. nt

[FighttheFuture]

24. God forbid people who remember the values of the Democratic Party, reaffirmed by FDR and LBJ

should dare call out a DLC Democrat like DWS!!! It must be all "bitter and petty forces". Never mind the Empress with no clothes. Move along.

[BobbyDrake]

50. Who do you mean by "Empress with no clothes?"

I'm genuinely curious.

[George Eliot]

72. Why does any DUer support a proven corrupt Democrat who supports payday lenders? Integrity anyone?

I want someone with integrity.

[okasha]

132. You know LBJ was massively corrupt, right?

[FighttheFuture]

166. And he accomplished massively good things for our society and millions. That's the reality.

I understand it can be hard to see how someone who was a real wheeler dealer Texas style politician of his time, what you might call corrupt, could also use his influence to actually start enforcing real civil rights and lifting millions of people out of poverty, cutting it in half, and change the entire nature of the debate. A quick list of his accomplishments:

Domestic accomplishments of President Johnson:
o Designed his signature "Great Society" legislation, which included laws upholding civil rights, public broadcasting, Medicare, Medicaid, environmental protection, aid to education, and the abolition of poverty
o Signed the Civil Rights Acts of 1964 and 1968 outlawing most forms of racial segregation and providing equal housing opportunities regardless of race, creed, or national origin, and passed the Voting Rights Act of 1965 outlawing discrimination in voting
o Appointed Thurgood Marshall as the first African American justice on the Supreme Court
o Signed the Elementary and Secondary Education Act and Higher Education Act to improve funding to schools, especially those in poor districts
o Established the National Endowment for the Humanities and the National Endowment for the Arts to support humanists and artists
o Created programs to tackle poverty such as Head Start, food stamps, Work Study, Medicare, and Medicaid
o Presided over the first manned flight to the Moon with the Apollo 8 program

Foreign policy accomplishments of President Johnson:
o Signed the Immigration Act of 1965, which substantially liberalized US immigration policy towards non-Europeans
o Drastically escalated American involvement in Vietnam following the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution from 16,000 advisors/soldiers to 550,000 combat troops in 1968

Now, I won't praise the Vietnam war escalation, but it was the times of the cold war, the rise of the MIC, Kennedy was previously assassinated and many thought it was Cuba that did it at that time. So, I can cut him some slack because he actually really did something good with his power, something positive. I do not see that with many similarly corrupt politicians and they just have my disdain.

[okasha]

184. You just made my point. Thank you.

Despite his corruption, LBJ did an enormous amount of good.

And there's no "might be called corrupt" to it. He was crooked as they come. He had a strong network with the (equally crooked) patrones of South Texas, was joined at the hip with major defense contractor Brown Root, got elected to the Senate by literally stealing a ballot box.

[FighttheFuture]

190. I don't know what point you think I am making for you; why don't you spell it out.

History will, and has judged LBJ fairly well, I would say. He was a flawed individual, no doubt, but his accomplishments temper his seedier side. I also don't think his corruptions rose to the level of, say Nixon, who was actually doing treasonous activities with his backdoor negotiations with the North Vietnamese while he was a private citizen in order to sabotage efforts by LBJ -- something also done by Reagan, I refer to his "October Surprise&quot . BTW, Johnson knew about this but did not want to expose it; it would be too explosive. I cannot say the same thing about the petty corruption and ignoring the principles of the party today which has drifted far off its foundations.

[PufPuf23]

207. Yet Nixon was (probably inadvertently) the best environmental POTUS of all time.

Agencies, legislation, and programs that have been under siege since Reagan under both GOP (more so) and Democratic administrations and Congresses.

[FighttheFuture]

208. Again, what point are you trying to make?

I agree Nixon was more by omission whereas LBJ was by commission, purposeful. Comparing the two really doesn't fly. Also, the entire point of this thread is really not about Nixon or LBJ. So, what point are you try to make?

[roody]

33. That would be people who wanted Democrats

to win, not lose.

[Tatiana]

16. The 23rd is very friendly territory for her.

Her lack of support for Democrats in Florida is troublesome. No one can explain why she supports Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Lincoln Diaz-Balart and Mario Diaz-Balart other than the fact that they are her friends. I suppose if Donald Trump was her friend, she'd support him too?

Canova has a near impossible task. He doesn't have a lot of name recognition. However, I admire him for giving DWS her first primary challenge in 6 elections.

[Recursion]

21. It was also never clear that Canova could carry the district

There's a reason they elect somebody like DWS: it's a pretty conservative constituency.

[yallerdawg]

22. In the South...

Republican and Democrat can be almost indistinguishable.

Often, if you hate and despise all Republicans, you will lead a very lonely life.

Trump is not a Southerner.

[Tatiana]

54. I understand. I'm not saying DWS needs to hate all Republicans.

I'm just saying that as a Democrat, she should be comfortable saying something to the effect of, "I am always willing to work across the aisle to get things accomplished, however, as a Democrat, I endorse the Democratic candidate in this race..."

It is long time for the Miami Mafia and anti-Castro Cuban exiles to lose their grip on power in Florida politics. I understand that the South is, generally speaking, conservative. But DWS seems unwilling to support even a moderate or conservative Democrat running against her so-called friends and that is wrong, especially given the political positions her friends promote.

[McKim]

39. DWS and Ros-Lehtinen

It is helpful when thinking of a connection to DWS and Ros-Lehtinen to recall that the foreign policy around Venezuela, Argentina,
Cuba and etc. under Secretary Clinton was moving forward in ways that Ros Lehtinen truly approved of.

[progressoid]

17. That's good. Payday lenders need a voice in congress.

[Coolest Ranger]

18. Excellent

she got a raw deal and i hope she beats him badly too

[Loki]

19. Good

I'm not fond of smear jobs, no matter where they come from. She will stand or fall on the votes of her constituents, as it should be.

[Cary]

20. As it should be

[Larkspur]

23. To me DWS is Rahm Emmanuel in heels.

Both are hated in Progressive circles.

[Tatiana]

25. This is a great analogy.

And Rahm's doing an awful job as mayor. These people are so hungry for power, money, and recognition that they lose sight of the purpose of "public service."

[The Wizard]

29. Both of them

give the Jewish people a bad name.

[Fla Dem]

45. Why reference their religion. Would you say the same for a Christian or Muslim politician

whose political actions you disagreed? They give all Catholics a bad name, they give all Baptists a bad name, they give all Muslims a bad name? If not then, why reference their religions?

[The Wizard]

195. yes I would

[Ken Burch]

102. Both are opposed for their actions.

Calling it "hate" implies that opposition to those two is people making a big deal over nothing.

(Not saying that was your intent, but that's how it reads).

[Larkspur]

107. Opposed not just for their actions but also for their hubris and contempt of the Dem base

especially of the Progressive wing of the party. Joe Lieberman also shared that hubris and arrogance towards the Progressive wing of the Dem base.

[MineralMan]

27. Canova's run was a long shot from the beginning.

It is amazingly hard to unseat an incumbent representative who won her last election with over 60% of the vote. Pretty much impossible, really.

[Purveyor]

28. I'm deeply saddened, indeed! The 'Rahm Emmanuel in heels' analogy upthread is spot on.

Yes perhaps she shall win but her reputation will forever be tarnished by her despicable actions as head of the DNC.

Party unity is now the theme until election day but there will be hell to pay post election for these antics. Bank on it!

[KMOD]

31. The new DU rules will continue to be in effect

post election as well.

[Purveyor]

34. Guess I won't last long then as there is only so much worthy news to ignore. I never did 'group

gropes' very well anyway.

[Maru Kitteh]

75. If supporting Democrats on Democratic Underground presents an undue burden on you

then you may well be right.

[BobbyDrake]

96. Equating DU with the Nazis just reflects poorly on you.

[Purveyor]

99. Here. Educate yourself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goose_step

[misterhighwasted]

35. Support Dems.

[KMOD]

38. Yup!

[Larkspur]

43. I support the Dems that I can support. n/t

[xocet]

69. Support Dems who support democratic values - rather. n/t

[FighttheFuture]

167. Are people allowed to point out crappy Democrats, buttressed with facts?

I mean, God forbid Democrats may actually try to look critically at themselves. Better to be lemmings marching off a cliff? It that it?

Regardless, I see as the republicans further disintegrate after this Trump Dumpster fire and their insane ideologies and blatant greed and power lust --can't blame these on Trump! Democratic leaders will try to pull more republicans to them to prop themselves up. This will have the interesting effect of fracturing the Democratic Party into the "New" Republicans and the more liberal Democrats. It, or something like it, is inevitable as our creaky system only supports two main factions (i.e. parties) and nature abhors a vacuum.

DU can be part of the process of sorting that all out, or it can exist to help cement the existing power structure in place. A structure that is showing itself to be more and more out of step with what the country and its people want and need. That's plain to see, given the rise of "Independent" voters and people who simply do not vote. Lots of choices coming up for the Mods and owners of this site.

[KMOD]

173. My understanding is that criticism is allowed.

However, wishing to call someone a "crappy" dem is not.

I would suggest you post in ATA for further clarity.

[FighttheFuture]

181. Fair enough. Thank you. What is "ATA", just making sure.

[FighttheFuture]

182. Oh, I see... "Asking the Administrators"

[KMOD]

183. There's a forum for it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1259

[BobbyDrake]

52. "She helped elect the first woman President." Yeah, some "tarnished" legacy there...

[KMOD]

59. and the first black President.

Her legacy will gone down as very impressive.

[think]

60. Yes. Refusing to support Democratic House candidates in her area due to her personal relationships

with the GOP incumbents will certainly be some legacy for a former DNC chair....

[Demsrule86]

210. Link to support this?

I looked and could find nothing.

[bettyellen]

196. Hell to pay? Are you hoping to punish people here for being Hillary supporters? That's not happening

Here dude. Didn't you agree to the TOS?

[tiredtoo]

30. would or could one of DWS supporters here

be so kind as to explain to me why DWS's support of payday lenders is a good thing?

[bonemachine]

78. Good luck with that

The closest thing to an explanation I've heard is that if the people who used those loan sharks couldn't, then they would have no credit access at all.

[LexVegas]

37. Good. I love DWS! nt

[misterhighwasted]

40. She is a solid loyal Dem vote for the House. Our Dem President will need it.

Her opinions on advancing equality for women's issues and fight for keeping some RW perv from barging in on a woman's gyno appt, can be counted on.

DWS is on Hillary's side completely on this subject.

[think]

46. Here's a heart breaker for you: "Democrats torn between party, GOP friends"

Democrats torn between party, GOP friends

Democratic party leaders have tapped Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz to raise money and coach candidates in a high-stakes, aggressive bid to expand the Democratic majority in the House of Representatives.

But as three Miami Democrats look to unseat three of her South Florida Republican colleagues, Wasserman Schultz is staying on the sidelines. So is Rep. Kendrick Meek, a Miami Democrat and loyal ally to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

That wasn't the case just two years ago when the pair flouted a long-standing Florida delegation agreement to not campaign against colleagues and vigorously backed Ron Klein in his winning bid to oust veteran Republican Rep. Clay Shaw.

This time around, Wasserman Schultz and Meek say their relationships with the Republican incumbents, Reps. Lincoln Diaz-Balart and his brother Mario, and Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, leave them little choice but to sit out the three races.

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article24478039.html#storylink=cpy

[lapucelle]

56. She's a strong voice on gun issues,

and she staged a hell of a convention, even if she didn't get to attend it because of one scandalous email that she wasn't party to.

[misterhighwasted]

61. Didn't she tho! That convention ran like a well oiled machine.

That required a superior organizational skillset.
She did it & she will serve her District, her Dem Party & its President very well in the House.
Too bad she took the fall for the nasty emails that not one was sent by her.
That is rather honorable & her Dem loyalty in 2016 is loud & clear.
Trump & his Putin hackers and pathetic Assange can go puff their chests at their big boy coup.
They will get nothing in the end because it will be Hillary & DWS and those who stand by their side who will lead this nation back to a fully functioning society.

[Ken Burch]

71. Her gun stance doesn't outweigh her Republican views on trade, the drug war, payday usury

and private prisons.

[bravenak]

131. I think she represents her area well. People try to bully her and it pisses me off

[BlueMTexpat]

155. + a million! eom

[turbinetree]

41. Pay Day Lenders & TPP, CAFTA, NAFTA

I think there should be a page just on how exactly tariffs of imports and exports work and have that compared side by side to see if this is how Alexander Hamilton envisioned this country back then and today----------------it is about "tariffs":

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/tariff

She still will not debate him----------------why?

Then the question can be asked to her, and Canova about tariffs and how they relate to her votes on "trade deals" and other
co-sponsored legislation and votes


Honk-------------------for "Our Revolution"

[Omaha Steve]

42. Tim has more FL donors & $ than DWS

Donate to Democratic Underground for Tim Canova FL-23 HERE: https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/du4timcanova




He is the current hot donation on Act Blue.

[Omaha Steve]

49. I forgot a donation link, Donate to Democratic Underground for Tim Canova FL-23 HERE

Donate to Democratic Underground for Tim Canova FL-23 HERE: https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/du4timcanova

[Scalded Nun]

44. The sooner the Democratic party dumps DWS and her ilk the better off this country will be.

Anyone who backs her while stating they care about 'the people' should be ashamed. She represents everything our party should be fighting.

[Tarheel_Dem]

55. I support her, and I'm not the least bit ashamed.

[RAFisher]

48. She opposes Medical Marijuana despite representing the most pro MM part of the state. Ridiculous.

We have Republican turned Independent turned Democrat Charlie Crist in favor of it. But no. She wants to be on the side with Lord Voldemort and Pam Blondy. But if John Morgan stops saying mean things about her and give her money she said she'd change he mind. What a fucking joke.

[Tarheel_Dem]

51. Good for Debbie.

[SaschaHM]

58. It was already a very tough race. It became dead in the water when Bernie latched on to it.

[Ken Burch]

70. She's only eight points ahead in the poll that was just release.

Nothing to be smug about, with three weeks left in the race.

Why would you even want someone as right wing as DWS to be renominated as a Dem?

Someone who still supports the drug war even though the country has turned against it?

Someone who defends payday usury?

Someone who defends massive taxpayer funding of private prisons(a type of institution we never needed)?

What's to like?

[SaschaHM]

88. I could do a nitpicking negative rundown about Bernie, but I'm not going to refight the primary.

She's been made a punching bag by the BoBer's. Her district likes her, and they didn't like Bernie. Propping up Canova's campaign because of high feud with DWS just tanked his chances.

[Ken Burch]

89. IF she's under 50% in that poll, her district may NOT like her anymore.

DWS brought everything she got on herself. She had an obligation, in the position she was in, to be totally neutral in the primaries and to do nothing at all to try to influence the result of that process.

Had she done that, there's a good chance HRC would have won anyway, but at least then none of the young Sanders people(most of whom have now made it clear they support the ticket)would feel that the party was treating them and their candidate as an invading force that needed to be crushed.

[SaschaHM]

94. Yeah, they would have acted like adults during the DNC and not have latched on to...

conspiracy theories. Bye. You won't be getting responses from me again. I can't wait for the disappointment over the Canova defeat.

[Ken Burch]

97. I've said nothing personally hostile to you.

As to the DNC, I don't approve of most of the things that happened at the DNC that you referenced there, but if you're going to be honest about it, at least some of those bad responses were provoked by the party's actions. There's blame to be assigned on both sides for that.

[Gore1FL]

62. Too bad. We need less like DWS and more like Canova in congress. nt

[Ken Burch]

63. Most of Canova's donations were in-state...DWS had MORE out-of-state donations.

That district doesn't NEED a congressmember who still backs hardline drug policies, defends payday usury and supports continued federal subsidy of the private prison system.

This isn't a district where a Dem has to support big chunks of right-wing policies like those to get elected and re-elected.

Also, the most recent poll shows DWS only eight points ahead.

[Ken Burch]

67. The latest poll showed her only eight points ahead.

Nothing is sure in this race.

Why would any Democrat WANT a Dem who supports payday usury, the failed drug war, and mass federal subsidies for private prisons to get renominated?

It's not like you have to take stands like that to win that district.

And it doesn't matter where the damn donations came from(most of Tim's were in-state, btw, and DWS got MORE out-of-state donations).

Why bother defending a reactionary like DWS?

[Thinkingabout]

80. Good for her, I dont think her seat was in question, she worked hard to reelect President Obama

And the 2016 DNC Convention was very well planned and executed.

[NurseJackie]

85. She's a convenient punching-bag. Just a proxy for the lingering Hillary Haters ...

... and the Bob's (elsewhere on the internet) to antagonize and root against.

Let 'em. Who cares? Gripe, moan, whine ... it's all the same, it never ends, and nothing you say will make any difference. All or nothing. Stubbornness for the sake of only pride and vanity. No compromise. No common ground. No other opinions other than their own have any worth or validity. (That's why they're called "fringe" and that's why they're so ineffective. You'd think they'd learn.)

Debbie WS has been and will be a strong and experienced ally for Hillary ... just what President Clinton will need.

[Thinkingabout]

86. Yes she will.

[Ken Burch]

114. This has nothing to do with HRC. DWS fights for the rich instead of the people.

A seat that will always vote Democratic doesn't need a congresssmember who supports private prisons and the drug war(especially since the drug war is mainly a way to abet white supremacy by stripping people of color of the right to vote on trivial pretexts-something)and payday usury. And who acts as if she is above having to debate her primary opponent.

There's nothing she'll be able to do in Congress that Tim couldn't do...and she won't start fighting for workers and the poor if she never fought for them before this.

A progressive Democratic district deserves a progressive voice in Congress.

[NurseJackie]

121. They get the candidate they prefer ...

... not necessarily the one you happen to prefer. Cope.

[Ken Burch]

124. It's a close race. You may be the one who needs to cope.

Besides, HRC will probably appoint DWS to something and she'd resign the seat if she did still have it, so why even bother renominating her?

Voting for Tim will not only mean a better Dem gets elected(ANY Dem is guaranteed to win that district), it will probably save the taxpayers the cost of a special election.

[NurseJackie]

125. I'm not emotionally invested.

[Ken Burch]

128. Yeah, right.

And your desperation about trying to convince everyone that people to the left of your comfort zone are totally irrelevant and deserving of derisive laughter is supposed to prove that?

I'm actually not emotionally invested as much as I just won't let you get away with drive-by snark without proving that you've got nothing to be smarky and superior-sounding about.

Your smugness masks fear.

[NurseJackie]

129. No ... It's my contempt for Hillary haters who use

DWS as a proxy punching bag.

[Demsrule86]

119. That is the truth. nt

[white_wolf]

90. I hope Payday Debbie crashes and burns.

Anyone who supports the Payday Loan industry is no friend to the poor or middle class.

[fun n serious]

186. Anyone who does not support the brady bill

is NO progressive!

[seaglass]

91. Canova is an asshole attacking DWS as not a true friend of Israel because she voted for the Iran

deal. Not a big fan of some of DWS' positions but I hope he loses bad.

[glennward]

154. He is a Likud puppy. Glad she is leading. nt

[rateyes]

103. Maybe Canova will pull a Lieberman after the primary.

[SoCalMusicLover]

104. She's Gone In January

She'll be offered a cabinet position within seconds of Hillary winning the election.

If you think she hasn't been promised a job in the administration, I've got a bridge to sell.

[baldguy]

108. Good.

She's a strong progressive voice, and she's been scapegoated for bullshit.

[seaglass]

109. It appears Tad Devine and co have left Canova's campaign.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/tim-canova-bernie-sanders-strategists-226936

Less than two weeks after publicly signing on to help the campaign of ousted Democratic National Committee chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s challenger, Bernie Sanders’ top political and media strategists are no longer working for Tim Canova.

[Demsrule86]

116. She was treated unfairly and scapegoated.

I am glad she is winning. Often a primary defeat of an incumbent meant the election of a Republican. we don't need that shit.

[Sunlei]

127. Her district knows how well she serves in Congress and will probably vote for her again.

[dflprincess]

137. Sorry to hear this

I was hoping voters would start weeding out the Third Way types and give us a more progressive Congress.

[GulfCoast66]

142. Voters elect the reps they like

And we are a big tent party. Many of us do not identify as progressives if by that you mean democratic socialist. Some of us see ourselves as social democrats. A big difference.

[dflprincess]

197. By progressive I mean someone who identifies

more with the values of the New Deal and Great Society, not the "DLC/Third Way/New Democrats" who identify more with the attitudes of Nelson Rockefeller (though I'm not sure old Nelson wasn't to the left of a good many of today's "new" Democrats.)

And certainly not someone who calls herself a Democrat but supports Republicans in House races in her state.

[bluedye33139]

138. The district went two to one for Clinton, no?

[obamanut2012]

191. Yes, it is traditionally very blue and very liberal

It is very close to me.

[Jamaal510]

147. K&R

[bigwillq]

161. That's too bad

DWS is awful, imo.

[auntpurl]

175. Well, I don't want her back as DNC chair, but she seems to be working for her constituents

so, good.

[stonecutter357]

178. Good for Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

[fun n serious]

185. I have never delved deep into DWS voting record but...

It was poor taste, boorish bullying that was used against her. Democrats should NEVER treat other democrats in the way some treated DWS. It's GOP attacks on your own. Also, it discussed me to no end how BS tried to have influence on who Hillary picked as VP. Sick! Hillary was within 1% of Obama and did not BULLY him like what was seen here..

[BlueMTexpat]

202. +1! eom

[Rex]

193. Okay.

[oasis]

201. ImWithHerII

Go Debbie.

[G_j]

211. Leaked Emails Show DNC Staffers Keeping Close Eye on Tim Canova's Rise

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/leaked-emails-show-dnc-staffers-keeping-close-eye-on-tim-canovas-rise-8626585

[Demsrule86]

215. A big who cares.

[G_j]

220. Obliviously

not yourself..

[Demsrule86]

221. It is in Florida

And I think she got a raw deal anyway. People don't dislike her because of payday lending or all the other stuff that has been posted... they are angry on Bernie's behalf. The primary is over. Time to move on. And as I said before, I have been poor really really poor...and I know that sometimes you need some cash to keep the lights on or a roof over your head...we need to improve the safety net before we go after the only way many poor people can get money. Banks won't give them loans and subprime credit is gone...Is it a bad industry...yes of course. What is really the problem is we have left the poor at such risk that they have little choice sometimes...and if you end it...they will go to a worse place...loansharks.