2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumPoll: Trump ahead by 3 in SC.
PPP's newest South Carolina poll* finds that the state is trending toward being competitive in the Presidential race this year, just like in neighboring Georgia. Donald Trump has only a 2 point lead with 41% to 39% for Hillary Clinton, 5% for Gary Johnson, and 2% for Jill Stein.
The closeness is a function of Democrats being a lot happier with their party's candidate than Republicans are with theirs. Clinton is winning 84% of the Democratic vote, compared to Trump's 77% of the Republican vote. Although neither candidate is well liked by voters in the state Trump's favorability, at 38% positive and 56% negative, comes in slightly worse than Clinton's at 38/55.
Whether Democrats end up winning South Carolina in the Presidential race this fall or not, the generational differences in the state portend well for the party in the decades ahead. Trump is only ahead because of a massive advantage among seniors in the state at 58/30. When you look at everyone in the electorate below the age of 65, Clinton leads Trump 41/36. That suggests the potential for the Palmetto State to become much more of a battleground in the years ahead, just as in migration and the increasing diversity of the electorate has done in Southern states like Virginia and North Carolina.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/08/clintontrump-race-tight-in-south-carolina.html
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)Trump. It makes no sense, he's an obvious fraud and defective merchandise.
Frances
(8,545 posts)It's incredible to me that the Republican is leading the Democrat by only 3 percentage points
This is good news!
Kaleva
(36,312 posts)It's human nature.
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)It's not much more likely this time either.
lancer78
(1,495 posts)every month, 90,000 minorities turn 18 around the country. Demographics have always been the future, and demographics are on our side.
apnu
(8,758 posts)And I say this as a straight white male.
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)2024 maybe, but I don't see 16 happening in SC.
GoCubsGo
(32,086 posts)There was little doubt that South Carolina would stay bright red. I say that as a long-time resident of the state. This time, it may happen, however. There are still plenty of uneducated, racist rubes here who will vote for Trump, but a lot of the republicans here are retiree transplants from the Northeast. They are more like the Romneys and Bushes than they are the blatant racist/misogynist types. They are embarrassed by Trump, and there is no way in hell they are going to vote for him. Trump will likely still win this state, but I am not in the least bit surprised that the race is this close.
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)It's fairly typical for a deep red state (and it must be said a deep blue one too) to be polled much closer a few months ahead of the election and get people overexcited.
Will demographice help? Of course, but given how red it generally is, into double digits, and the poor turnout of the younger blocs where diversity is increasing fastest, it would take Trump crapping on both US AND Confederate flags while proposing closing the VA and defaulting on military pensions for him to lose SC this time, and I'd not be too hopeful for 2020 either.
GoCubsGo
(32,086 posts)That's what you're going by? And, Business Insider is a clickbait site. Sorry. Not buying it. As I said, I live in South Carolina. I saw what went on first-hand. I don't need some cherry-picked polls from Turdblossom to tell me otherwise.
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GoCubsGo
(32,086 posts)Nobody here is going to take seriously anything with KKKarl Rove's name on it. And, I sure as hell am not going to waste any more time on you and your nastiness. Good day.
RandySF
(58,911 posts)Though he could have made a play in 2008 if he wanted to. That was eight years ago and I'm sure tines have changed.
Ace Rothstein
(3,163 posts)If South Carolina is Trump +5 or less then Hillary probably wins by 9-10 points nationwide.
axiom3
(54 posts)He is already losing AZ and GA, which only reduces his chances of victory further. If he also loses SC, he can kiss the election goodbye. He needs to not only win all of the swing states, but must also flip several blue states too, which is pretty much impossible at this point.
CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)In the last three presidential elections2004, 2008, and 2012Georgia and South Carolina have averaged 2.31 percentage points in their margins spread from each other.
Election 2004
Georgia R+16.60
South Carolina R+17.08
(Spread: 0.48)
Election 2008
Georgia R+5.20
South Carolina R+8.98
(Spread: 3.78)
Election 2012
Georgia R+7.80
South Carolina R+10.47
(Spread: 2.67)
Math: 0.48 + 3.78 + 2.67 = 6.93; and 6.93 divided by 3 = 2.31.
If Hillary Clinton wins a Democratic pickup of Georgia and carries it by D+4
that may be enough to also flip South Carolina.
book_worm
(15,951 posts)or even blue.