2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumOne of the scariest Op-Eds you'll ever read, from The Dallas Observer
As Trump foments more and more violence, a paper who knows what media and leadership complacency about hate speech can lead to pens a plea.
I've been mad, ashamed, shocked, and many more things as that madman ramps up, but I'v never before been afraid for the current candidate or future president.
http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/unrepudiated-and-unabated-trumps-climate-of-rage-will-find-its-oswald-8579787
no_hypocrisy
(46,130 posts)nolabear
(41,987 posts)thecrow
(5,519 posts)This must be before the missile crisis.
Good catch
thucythucy
(8,072 posts)and the days leading up to it.
"Betraying Cuba" I think meant not backing the Bay of Pigs fiasco with an all-out American invasion of the island in 1961.
a la izquierda
(11,795 posts)Battista et al.
Nitram
(22,822 posts)They thought the US should have intervened with air power to aid the CIA-trained paramilitary invasion force. They considered it a betrayal and never forgave Kennedy.
freebrew
(1,917 posts)Seems that the big deal was that Kennedy stopped it in its tracks.
As you said, infuriated the PTB including Dulles, Johnson and the BFEE.
a la izquierda
(11,795 posts)I have a PhD in Latin American history...I realize the right was infuriated by the Bay of Pigs. However, the "Wanted" poster refers to "our Cuban friends." That's who I was discussing
Nitram
(22,822 posts)the Bay of Pigs.
Seedersandleechers
(3,044 posts)his previous marriage and divorce?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)And then repeat it in news interviews the next day, even correcting reporters who try to suggest that you may have meant something else.
ISIS is viewed by Americans as the most depraved and despicable terror organization in the world.
Trump explicitly and repeatedly has said that Obama and Clinton founded this organization.
That's no dog whistle.
gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)Trump should be in a jail cell for solicitating murder
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,855 posts)Wow. Right-wingers have been trouble-making pests for so long.
McCarthyism and on and on.
I'm so pleased that Kennedy didn't agree to Operation Northwoods!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
Operation Northwoods was a proposed false flag operation against the Cuban government, that originated within the Department of Defense (DoD) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) of the United States government in 1962. The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) or other U.S. government operatives to commit acts of terrorism against American civilians and military targets, blaming it on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba.
FSogol
(45,490 posts)lillypaddle
(9,581 posts)What is dumbfounding is that the more sane crazies like Ryan and McConnell continue to support this freak. And DT continues on, suffering no consequences at all.
nolabear
(41,987 posts)They're betting peoples' lives.
Stonepounder
(4,033 posts)Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion. Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing.
-Attributed to John Stuart Mill
Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)To choose to ignore and not repudiate means silent agreement.
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)While standing in line in the markets and stores, engage people in real conversations, respectively of course, but don't be shy.
That's how people change their minds, you have more power than you think.
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)Is Mrs. Clinton willing to bet lives on her demonstrated propincity toward regime change? It's a fact, don't flame me for telling the truth. I know she is levels above my intellectual capacity. Perhaps I am a moron?
yardwork
(61,651 posts)When the former director of the CIA says he believes that Trump is an unwitting agent of the Russian Federation, we should believe him.
Putin would love to install Trump as a puppet.
ymetca
(1,182 posts)It's not a conspiracy, but a sociological climate. It's something arising from our collective unconscious, as Karl Jung suggested. And probably best outlined in The Golden Bough. It's the ritualistic "killing of the king" scenario, which humanity keeps repeating, generation after generation. It's the writhing, roiling madness of Cthulhu; the inchoate unfolding of our ancient atavistic desires to lash out, to kill, to devour. All the reprehensible behaviors long suppressed by organized religion and mutually agreed upon social norms. That "darkly-splendid world" Zoroaster warned us to "stoop not down" into...
PufPuf23
(8,791 posts)lark
(23,116 posts)They know Drumpf will end up getting people injured or killed, but it doesn't matter one bit to them. They know he's crazy and can't be trusted with our nuclear arsenal, and don't give a rat fuck because war is good for them. Guess they think WW111 would be even better than a regional conflict and know that Drumpf could easily push us there by supporting Russia against Europe. They also know people die because of their healthcare policies (or total resistance to them, anyway) and again, think they are actually happy because it's the poor that will die and more minorities than whites, so again, they don't give a shit. They are traitors to the people of their country, but because they are also the rich, they control the media and lead the sheeple by the nose.
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)...who feel snug and safe in their corporate financed cocoons, and all they care about is remaining in power themselves. They don't care, have not a thread of moral fiber, and they haven't any courage. They're Ayn Rand incarnate. Think only about yourself and do only what helps you. If something comes along that's trouble, duck, weave and keep out of way. Let it steam roll anyone else, just not you.
Pretty sadly simple.
MyOwnPeace
(16,928 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Trump is saying he will implement Ryan's tax plan.
Aviation Pro
(12,172 posts)...of the unhinged Trump supporter is frightening.
world wide wally
(21,744 posts)IF anything happens to her, Trump, McConnell, Ryan, Fox, Hannity, et al. are complicit and should be prosecuted as such.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I don't know how he sleeps at night. Ditto Michael Savage.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)when the Fox blondes and the rest of the right wing media were trolling for his assassination. All day long "will no one rid me of this troublesome priest" messages. A stunning phenomenon.
Nitram
(22,822 posts)Demsrule86
(68,593 posts)and killed Kennedy. They always tried to make it seem like there was some foreign conspiracy...the Cubans or the Russians but there was no evidence of that...nope it was a homegrown assassination... and Trump just called for another one a couple of days ago. I always have thought this. I did a paper in college about Kennedy and the assassination and when I looked at old papers and such...the hatred of Kennedy in Texas was overwhelming. Johnson wrote about how he feared for his life as well and as this article points out, he had reason.
oswaldactedalone
(3,491 posts)I think he killed Kennedy as a last desperate plea to Castro to allow him to emigrate to Cuba. Oswald's plan after shooting JFK was to bus to Mexico to again plead his case to either the Cubans or Soviets to grant him asylum. He was going to plea that he was a loyal soldier to Communism and look at what he had just done to prove it. During the final few weeks in Dallas, Oswald was a desperate man who was desperately unhappy with his life.
Feel free to disagree.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)He was trying to get to Cuba to live there...
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)he did, he would have heard the Cuban government condemn the ongoing campaign of CIA-backed sabotage against Fidel Castro, even after the disastrous end of the Bay of Pigs and the peaceful stand-down of the Cuban Missile Crisis. (This campaign, code-named "Operation Mongoose," only came to light in the mid-70s as a result of hearings conducted by Senator Frank Church.)
The evidence suggests that Oswald was all too well aware of the ongoing campaign of illegal aggression waged by the Kennedy administration against Cuba, even if most Americans were not.
GoDawgs
(267 posts)Also, worth keeping in mind it was Dick Cheney's job to disrupt, obfuscate, and interfere with the investigations. Once a Cheney.....
From a great e-book at GWU:
http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB522-Church-Committee-Faced-White-House-Attempts-to-Curb-CIA-Probe/
niyad
(113,364 posts)yardwork
(61,651 posts)It's so much more comforting to believe that Oswald was tricked into participating in a vast conspiracy beyond our control, rather than recognizing that we the people set off a lunatic.
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)his wife thought they would try to still kill her while she was still in TX leaving the hospital, she knew they were hated by so many there.
MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)dem in texas
(2,674 posts)What goes around, comes around! So sad that politicians have no moral code and that the Media only care about ratings. Every person, every politician, every newspaper and every cable show should renounce Trump's remarks. Right now, there is some lost soul soaking up all his hate filled words. We are being set up for another terrible tragedy.
RobinA
(9,894 posts)a concern of mine since they started on the "hanging in the Mall," "firing squad" rhetoric. Since when is it OK to talk like that????? Talking about it is one step toward making it OK.
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)I'm heartsick and disgusted that our media is enabling Trump's hateful campaign.
Nitram
(22,822 posts)Not the media I consult. NPR, BBC and the Washington Post.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)Cosmocat
(14,566 posts)thank you for sharing.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)I'm afraid that unfortunately leaders speaking up may not change things. I fear that it will take another assassination that is not connected to ISIS to change things.
anamandujano
(7,004 posts)nolabear
(41,987 posts)But Trump is so good at fomenting hatred and division and making anyone who disagrees with him suspect that I can't think of anyone who could help.
Now and then I have Dead Zone fantasies about him melting down in a massively self-destructive fashion but I don't think that's going to happen. And his followers wouldn't come around even if he did.
I don't have enough fingers to cross.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)I kinda think this is roughly why he was chosen, to do that kind of thing for Trump.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)All RW talk show hosts repeat what he says. I have a better choice of winning the Powerball then that happening.
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)...media outlet. This should be repeated and repeated and repeated until it becomes a meme that major news organizations can't ignore.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)In all the calamities of the past, isolation from the rest of the world's awareness helped the hate and social manipulation to ferment.
The Liberal Truth can now be broadcast in spite of mushroom farms like Fux. We NEED to repeat the truth loudly and often.
Repudiate the media that banks on sensational lies. Get that awareness out there too.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)McKim
(2,412 posts)With the rise of news as infotainment, the media has made a God out of Trump. He would never have gotten this far without the media
hanging on his every word. This is disgusting. I want candidates that are adults who care about the rest of us. Trump is beyond belief and so are the hate mongers who support him. This has been stirred up by years of FOX News and Republican Radio and Hate Radio.
We have to put a stop to this destructive media.
nolabear
(41,987 posts)It's amazing to me there's not more responsibility taking in the media. Was I myself deluded in thinking they were the arbiters of fairness? Or did it all change?
Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)A lot of people just want to belong to something and they will put up with some bad stuff that their group does as long as it doesn't hurt them directly. It's sounds so elementary school to me. You'd think adults would know better and be more mature than that.
nolabear
(41,987 posts)I think the whole of history is that tension between trying to know better and fighting against it.
63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)nothing more than the cost of admission? HIS ONLY CONCERN IS TRUMP!
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)I sincerely hope that somehow, Trump's hate filled rhetoric does NOT cause this to happen.
Wounded Bear
(58,670 posts)nolabear
(41,987 posts)CRH
(1,553 posts)This article seeks to gain legitimacy by assuming the Dallas company line that Oswald was indeed a sole triggerman, or a triggerman at all, mis representing history, and somehow attaching the lunacy of the social environment of the time, to Trump today.
No matter how hard one tries, if the initial concept is flawed, all that follows is BS. Caveat Emptor.
Trump is sick, and a product of republican voters, but there is nothing to be admired in this article, when assuming Oswald was a lone crazy, effected and infected, by a perverted social environment. It gives life to the bigger lie.
Flame on.
nolabear
(41,987 posts)I don't care to argue about conspiracies and the newspaper clearly doesn't either. It's making a deeper point and using its connection to an assassin, one of many who have been influenced by inflammatory rhetoric, to express the real fear of the vulnerability of a political candidate.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Which I do, the people behind it needed a Patsy. The environment created the Patsy (Oswald). I do believe he was a shooter, and he scored at least a hit, but his wasn't the kill shot.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,855 posts)It's possible that Oswald was "stirred up" by local media, but let's not forget that Kennedy had also developed some enemies in the government.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
Operation Northwoods was a proposed false flag operation against the Cuban government, that originated within the Department of Defense (DoD) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) of the United States government in 1962. The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) or other U.S. government operatives to commit acts of terrorism against American civilians and military targets, blaming it on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba. The proposals were rejected by the Kennedy administration.
http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/news/20010430/index.html
mobeau69
(11,145 posts)None in my place today and there never will be.
TonyPDX
(962 posts)Javaman
(62,531 posts)is fucking terrifying.
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)But as I have researched that day, aided by some things that have seen daylight after 50 years through the FOIA...I am reasonably sure Oswald was nothing more than a patsy, just as he proclaimed shortly before he was silenced forever right in the freaking police station. Dallas was try 3 after Chicago and then Miami did not work out.
So I firmly believe JFK was hit by the Mafia and right wing lunatics in the CIA etc, all because JFK worked out a deal to avoid nuclear war, crazy as that seems.
That said, in the current climate, with mass shootings happening almost weekly in a different day,it is totally irresponsible for Trump to make any veiled threats. We have seen his thugs brutally attack protesters already.