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nolabear

(41,987 posts)
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 11:15 AM Aug 2016

One of the scariest Op-Eds you'll ever read, from The Dallas Observer

As Trump foments more and more violence, a paper who knows what media and leadership complacency about hate speech can lead to pens a plea.

I've been mad, ashamed, shocked, and many more things as that madman ramps up, but I'v never before been afraid for the current candidate or future president.

http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/unrepudiated-and-unabated-trumps-climate-of-rage-will-find-its-oswald-8579787

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One of the scariest Op-Eds you'll ever read, from The Dallas Observer (Original Post) nolabear Aug 2016 OP
Trump's dog whistle reminds me of the dog whistle before Kennedy was assassinated. no_hypocrisy Aug 2016 #1
Yes, it does. I can hear Trump's voice. nolabear Aug 2016 #2
..."betraying our friend Cuba"..... thecrow Aug 2016 #4
I think this was distributed the morning of the assassination thucythucy Aug 2016 #8
By that the poster's authors meant their right-wing bros in Cuba... a la izquierda Aug 2016 #12
No, it was the Bay of Pigs that infuriated the right. Nitram Aug 2016 #36
Wasn't the invasion underway already?... freebrew Aug 2016 #52
Yeah, I know. a la izquierda Aug 2016 #55
"Our Cuban friends" refers to the ex-patriot Cuban paramilitary force that invaded Nitram Aug 2016 #71
#7 Seedersandleechers Aug 2016 #44
It's not a dog whistle when you literally say that Obama and Clinton are the co-founders of ISIS oberliner Aug 2016 #46
No kidding gopiscrap Aug 2016 #63
Thank you! I had never seen that "Wanted" poster! Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #65
K & R. n/t FSogol Aug 2016 #3
And Trump knows exactly what he is doing lillypaddle Aug 2016 #5
That, to me, is the most frightening part. People who do nothing. nolabear Aug 2016 #6
Good men who do nothing Stonepounder Aug 2016 #9
Great quote. Zing Zing Zingbah Aug 2016 #57
Then we can't be afraid to speak up in public WHEN CRABS ROAR Aug 2016 #60
agree saidsimplesimon Aug 2016 #45
I don't think Trump knows what he's doing but his handlers do. yardwork Aug 2016 #15
You seem to have missed the point ymetca Aug 2016 #24
Excellent!. eom PufPuf23 Aug 2016 #73
... lillypaddle Aug 2016 #41
Just shows the malignancy that is the repug party these days. lark Aug 2016 #25
Sane crazy doesn't mean brave crazy. Or caring crazy. Ryan and McConnell are cowards... Moonwalk Aug 2016 #33
Amen, indeed........... MyOwnPeace Aug 2016 #39
Not dumbfounding at all oberliner Aug 2016 #47
The picture.... Aviation Pro Aug 2016 #7
Remember that "vast right wing conspiracy" that Hillary used to refer to? world wide wally Aug 2016 #10
Hannity is simply awful oberliner Aug 2016 #48
I was genuinely, gut-clenching afraid for Obama back in 2009-2010 Hortensis Aug 2016 #11
Yes, Hortensis, so was I. Nitram Aug 2016 #37
I believe Oswald became infected with right wing hate Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #13
OTOH oswaldactedalone Aug 2016 #16
He called himself a Marxist in a TV interview Recursion Aug 2016 #31
Oswald could listen to Radio Havana's English-language broadcasts in Dallas and New Orleans. If KingCharlemagne Aug 2016 #40
The Church Committee is one of the greatest acts ever undertaken by our Senate GoDawgs Aug 2016 #49
k and r. niyad Aug 2016 #14
Good point about how believing in conspiracies blinds us to the root cause. yardwork Aug 2016 #17
Thank you good read. I remember reading that after the JFK assaination Person 2713 Aug 2016 #18
K&R MichiganVote Aug 2016 #19
Folks - Read this article! dem in texas Aug 2016 #20
This Has Been RobinA Aug 2016 #21
K&R fleabiscuit Aug 2016 #22
Powerful and sobering. liberalmuse Aug 2016 #23
The media? Nitram Aug 2016 #38
Excellent article and needs to be more widely understood. Pacifist Patriot Aug 2016 #26
Very well crafted article and S P O T O N Cosmocat Aug 2016 #27
I fear his thesis is a little off zipplewrath Aug 2016 #28
The media scum will then have a roundtable and absolve themselves of any wrongdoing. anamandujano Aug 2016 #30
I so wish there was someone I could think of who would do the John McCain thing. nolabear Aug 2016 #29
Pence zipplewrath Aug 2016 #32
I think it would take Limpballs awoke_in_2003 Aug 2016 #64
Really brilliant article! Put it on your Facebook pages, tweet about it, send it to every.... Moonwalk Aug 2016 #34
I agree...and I also think the Internet is the tool we need for publicizing social change. BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2016 #53
k&r DesertRat Aug 2016 #35
The Media Has Made a God out of Trump McKim Aug 2016 #42
They're subject to a kind of crowd delusion, believing they are a tiny part and so not responsible. nolabear Aug 2016 #43
Interesting... I can see that Zing Zing Zingbah Aug 2016 #58
You'd think. But sadly, you'd sometimes be wrong. nolabear Aug 2016 #61
He has been trying to crack into the Russian market for his projects for years. Is all of this 63splitwindow Aug 2016 #50
K&R! DemonGoddess Aug 2016 #51
K & R ......for visibility..nt Wounded Bear Aug 2016 #54
Thanks. I hope it's getting a lot of attention. nolabear Aug 2016 #56
Correct me if I am Wrong, … but, CRH Aug 2016 #59
It's your assumption that the initial concept is flawed. And you're deflecting. nolabear Aug 2016 #62
Even if you believe in multiple shooters awoke_in_2003 Aug 2016 #66
Operation Northwoods. Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #67
Why, growing up, there was never a bottle of Hunt's Ketchup in our house. mobeau69 Aug 2016 #68
Dallas is a sewer. Take it from me. TonyPDX Aug 2016 #69
The link within the article showing the insanity at tRumps bund rallies Javaman Aug 2016 #70
Right Wing Hate Was All Over Dallas colsohlibgal Aug 2016 #72

thucythucy

(8,072 posts)
8. I think this was distributed the morning of the assassination
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 11:42 AM
Aug 2016

and the days leading up to it.

"Betraying Cuba" I think meant not backing the Bay of Pigs fiasco with an all-out American invasion of the island in 1961.

Nitram

(22,822 posts)
36. No, it was the Bay of Pigs that infuriated the right.
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 02:19 PM
Aug 2016

They thought the US should have intervened with air power to aid the CIA-trained paramilitary invasion force. They considered it a betrayal and never forgave Kennedy.

freebrew

(1,917 posts)
52. Wasn't the invasion underway already?...
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 05:43 PM
Aug 2016

Seems that the big deal was that Kennedy stopped it in its tracks.

As you said, infuriated the PTB including Dulles, Johnson and the BFEE.



a la izquierda

(11,795 posts)
55. Yeah, I know.
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 06:25 PM
Aug 2016

I have a PhD in Latin American history...I realize the right was infuriated by the Bay of Pigs. However, the "Wanted" poster refers to "our Cuban friends." That's who I was discussing

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
46. It's not a dog whistle when you literally say that Obama and Clinton are the co-founders of ISIS
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 04:41 PM
Aug 2016

And then repeat it in news interviews the next day, even correcting reporters who try to suggest that you may have meant something else.

ISIS is viewed by Americans as the most depraved and despicable terror organization in the world.

Trump explicitly and repeatedly has said that Obama and Clinton founded this organization.

That's no dog whistle.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,855 posts)
65. Thank you! I had never seen that "Wanted" poster!
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 08:24 PM
Aug 2016

Wow. Right-wingers have been trouble-making pests for so long.

McCarthyism and on and on.

I'm so pleased that Kennedy didn't agree to Operation Northwoods!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Operation Northwoods was a proposed false flag operation against the Cuban government, that originated within the Department of Defense (DoD) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) of the United States government in 1962. The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) or other U.S. government operatives to commit acts of terrorism against American civilians and military targets, blaming it on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba.

lillypaddle

(9,581 posts)
5. And Trump knows exactly what he is doing
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 11:27 AM
Aug 2016

What is dumbfounding is that the more sane crazies like Ryan and McConnell continue to support this freak. And DT continues on, suffering no consequences at all.

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
9. Good men who do nothing
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 11:57 AM
Aug 2016

Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion. Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing.

-Attributed to John Stuart Mill

WHEN CRABS ROAR

(3,813 posts)
60. Then we can't be afraid to speak up in public
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 07:35 PM
Aug 2016

While standing in line in the markets and stores, engage people in real conversations, respectively of course, but don't be shy.
That's how people change their minds, you have more power than you think.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
45. agree
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 04:39 PM
Aug 2016

Is Mrs. Clinton willing to bet lives on her demonstrated propincity toward regime change? It's a fact, don't flame me for telling the truth. I know she is levels above my intellectual capacity. Perhaps I am a moron?

yardwork

(61,651 posts)
15. I don't think Trump knows what he's doing but his handlers do.
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 12:12 PM
Aug 2016

When the former director of the CIA says he believes that Trump is an unwitting agent of the Russian Federation, we should believe him.

Putin would love to install Trump as a puppet.

ymetca

(1,182 posts)
24. You seem to have missed the point
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 12:51 PM
Aug 2016

It's not a conspiracy, but a sociological climate. It's something arising from our collective unconscious, as Karl Jung suggested. And probably best outlined in The Golden Bough. It's the ritualistic "killing of the king" scenario, which humanity keeps repeating, generation after generation. It's the writhing, roiling madness of Cthulhu; the inchoate unfolding of our ancient atavistic desires to lash out, to kill, to devour. All the reprehensible behaviors long suppressed by organized religion and mutually agreed upon social norms. That "darkly-splendid world" Zoroaster warned us to "stoop not down" into...

lark

(23,116 posts)
25. Just shows the malignancy that is the repug party these days.
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 01:06 PM
Aug 2016

They know Drumpf will end up getting people injured or killed, but it doesn't matter one bit to them. They know he's crazy and can't be trusted with our nuclear arsenal, and don't give a rat fuck because war is good for them. Guess they think WW111 would be even better than a regional conflict and know that Drumpf could easily push us there by supporting Russia against Europe. They also know people die because of their healthcare policies (or total resistance to them, anyway) and again, think they are actually happy because it's the poor that will die and more minorities than whites, so again, they don't give a shit. They are traitors to the people of their country, but because they are also the rich, they control the media and lead the sheeple by the nose.

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
33. Sane crazy doesn't mean brave crazy. Or caring crazy. Ryan and McConnell are cowards...
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 01:52 PM
Aug 2016

...who feel snug and safe in their corporate financed cocoons, and all they care about is remaining in power themselves. They don't care, have not a thread of moral fiber, and they haven't any courage. They're Ayn Rand incarnate. Think only about yourself and do only what helps you. If something comes along that's trouble, duck, weave and keep out of way. Let it steam roll anyone else, just not you.

Pretty sadly simple.

world wide wally

(21,744 posts)
10. Remember that "vast right wing conspiracy" that Hillary used to refer to?
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 12:00 PM
Aug 2016

IF anything happens to her, Trump, McConnell, Ryan, Fox, Hannity, et al. are complicit and should be prosecuted as such.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. I was genuinely, gut-clenching afraid for Obama back in 2009-2010
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 12:04 PM
Aug 2016

when the Fox blondes and the rest of the right wing media were trolling for his assassination. All day long "will no one rid me of this troublesome priest" messages. A stunning phenomenon.

Demsrule86

(68,593 posts)
13. I believe Oswald became infected with right wing hate
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 12:07 PM
Aug 2016

and killed Kennedy. They always tried to make it seem like there was some foreign conspiracy...the Cubans or the Russians but there was no evidence of that...nope it was a homegrown assassination... and Trump just called for another one a couple of days ago. I always have thought this. I did a paper in college about Kennedy and the assassination and when I looked at old papers and such...the hatred of Kennedy in Texas was overwhelming. Johnson wrote about how he feared for his life as well and as this article points out, he had reason.

oswaldactedalone

(3,491 posts)
16. OTOH
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 12:19 PM
Aug 2016

I think he killed Kennedy as a last desperate plea to Castro to allow him to emigrate to Cuba. Oswald's plan after shooting JFK was to bus to Mexico to again plead his case to either the Cubans or Soviets to grant him asylum. He was going to plea that he was a loyal soldier to Communism and look at what he had just done to prove it. During the final few weeks in Dallas, Oswald was a desperate man who was desperately unhappy with his life.
Feel free to disagree.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
40. Oswald could listen to Radio Havana's English-language broadcasts in Dallas and New Orleans. If
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 02:58 PM
Aug 2016

he did, he would have heard the Cuban government condemn the ongoing campaign of CIA-backed sabotage against Fidel Castro, even after the disastrous end of the Bay of Pigs and the peaceful stand-down of the Cuban Missile Crisis. (This campaign, code-named "Operation Mongoose," only came to light in the mid-70s as a result of hearings conducted by Senator Frank Church.)

The evidence suggests that Oswald was all too well aware of the ongoing campaign of illegal aggression waged by the Kennedy administration against Cuba, even if most Americans were not.

GoDawgs

(267 posts)
49. The Church Committee is one of the greatest acts ever undertaken by our Senate
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 04:55 PM
Aug 2016

Also, worth keeping in mind it was Dick Cheney's job to disrupt, obfuscate, and interfere with the investigations. Once a Cheney.....

From a great e-book at GWU:
http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB522-Church-Committee-Faced-White-House-Attempts-to-Curb-CIA-Probe/

1975, it was then-Deputy Chief of Staff Dick Cheney who spearheaded the Ford White House’s hostile approach to Congress, which required the CIA to submit all proposed responses to Capitol Hill for prior presidential approval and featured the explicit intent to keep investigators away from the most sensitive records

yardwork

(61,651 posts)
17. Good point about how believing in conspiracies blinds us to the root cause.
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 12:20 PM
Aug 2016

It's so much more comforting to believe that Oswald was tricked into participating in a vast conspiracy beyond our control, rather than recognizing that we the people set off a lunatic.

Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
18. Thank you good read. I remember reading that after the JFK assaination
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 12:21 PM
Aug 2016

his wife thought they would try to still kill her while she was still in TX leaving the hospital, she knew they were hated by so many there.

dem in texas

(2,674 posts)
20. Folks - Read this article!
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 12:31 PM
Aug 2016

What goes around, comes around! So sad that politicians have no moral code and that the Media only care about ratings. Every person, every politician, every newspaper and every cable show should renounce Trump's remarks. Right now, there is some lost soul soaking up all his hate filled words. We are being set up for another terrible tragedy.

RobinA

(9,894 posts)
21. This Has Been
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 12:34 PM
Aug 2016

a concern of mine since they started on the "hanging in the Mall," "firing squad" rhetoric. Since when is it OK to talk like that????? Talking about it is one step toward making it OK.

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
23. Powerful and sobering.
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 12:40 PM
Aug 2016

I'm heartsick and disgusted that our media is enabling Trump's hateful campaign.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
28. I fear his thesis is a little off
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 01:10 PM
Aug 2016

I'm afraid that unfortunately leaders speaking up may not change things. I fear that it will take another assassination that is not connected to ISIS to change things.

nolabear

(41,987 posts)
29. I so wish there was someone I could think of who would do the John McCain thing.
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 01:11 PM
Aug 2016

But Trump is so good at fomenting hatred and division and making anyone who disagrees with him suspect that I can't think of anyone who could help.

Now and then I have Dead Zone fantasies about him melting down in a massively self-destructive fashion but I don't think that's going to happen. And his followers wouldn't come around even if he did.

I don't have enough fingers to cross.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
64. I think it would take Limpballs
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 08:24 PM
Aug 2016

All RW talk show hosts repeat what he says. I have a better choice of winning the Powerball then that happening.

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
34. Really brilliant article! Put it on your Facebook pages, tweet about it, send it to every....
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 01:55 PM
Aug 2016

...media outlet. This should be repeated and repeated and repeated until it becomes a meme that major news organizations can't ignore.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
53. I agree...and I also think the Internet is the tool we need for publicizing social change.
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 05:45 PM
Aug 2016

In all the calamities of the past, isolation from the rest of the world's awareness helped the hate and social manipulation to ferment.

The Liberal Truth can now be broadcast in spite of mushroom farms like Fux. We NEED to repeat the truth loudly and often.

Repudiate the media that banks on sensational lies. Get that awareness out there too.

McKim

(2,412 posts)
42. The Media Has Made a God out of Trump
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 03:13 PM
Aug 2016

With the rise of news as infotainment, the media has made a God out of Trump. He would never have gotten this far without the media
hanging on his every word. This is disgusting. I want candidates that are adults who care about the rest of us. Trump is beyond belief and so are the hate mongers who support him. This has been stirred up by years of FOX News and Republican Radio and Hate Radio.
We have to put a stop to this destructive media.

nolabear

(41,987 posts)
43. They're subject to a kind of crowd delusion, believing they are a tiny part and so not responsible.
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 03:48 PM
Aug 2016

It's amazing to me there's not more responsibility taking in the media. Was I myself deluded in thinking they were the arbiters of fairness? Or did it all change?

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
58. Interesting... I can see that
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 07:17 PM
Aug 2016

A lot of people just want to belong to something and they will put up with some bad stuff that their group does as long as it doesn't hurt them directly. It's sounds so elementary school to me. You'd think adults would know better and be more mature than that.

nolabear

(41,987 posts)
61. You'd think. But sadly, you'd sometimes be wrong.
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 07:37 PM
Aug 2016

I think the whole of history is that tension between trying to know better and fighting against it.

 

63splitwindow

(2,657 posts)
50. He has been trying to crack into the Russian market for his projects for years. Is all of this
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 04:59 PM
Aug 2016

nothing more than the cost of admission? HIS ONLY CONCERN IS TRUMP!

CRH

(1,553 posts)
59. Correct me if I am Wrong, … but,
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 07:34 PM
Aug 2016

This article seeks to gain legitimacy by assuming the Dallas company line that Oswald was indeed a sole triggerman, or a triggerman at all, mis representing history, and somehow attaching the lunacy of the social environment of the time, to Trump today.
No matter how hard one tries, if the initial concept is flawed, all that follows is BS. Caveat Emptor.
Trump is sick, and a product of republican voters, but there is nothing to be admired in this article, when assuming Oswald was a lone crazy, effected and infected, by a perverted social environment. It gives life to the bigger lie.
Flame on.

nolabear

(41,987 posts)
62. It's your assumption that the initial concept is flawed. And you're deflecting.
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 07:47 PM
Aug 2016

I don't care to argue about conspiracies and the newspaper clearly doesn't either. It's making a deeper point and using its connection to an assassin, one of many who have been influenced by inflammatory rhetoric, to express the real fear of the vulnerability of a political candidate.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
66. Even if you believe in multiple shooters
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 08:35 PM
Aug 2016

Which I do, the people behind it needed a Patsy. The environment created the Patsy (Oswald). I do believe he was a shooter, and he scored at least a hit, but his wasn't the kill shot.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,855 posts)
67. Operation Northwoods.
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 08:35 PM
Aug 2016

It's possible that Oswald was "stirred up" by local media, but let's not forget that Kennedy had also developed some enemies in the government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Operation Northwoods was a proposed false flag operation against the Cuban government, that originated within the Department of Defense (DoD) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) of the United States government in 1962. The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) or other U.S. government operatives to commit acts of terrorism against American civilians and military targets, blaming it on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba. The proposals were rejected by the Kennedy administration.


http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/news/20010430/index.html

mobeau69

(11,145 posts)
68. Why, growing up, there was never a bottle of Hunt's Ketchup in our house.
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 10:59 PM
Aug 2016

None in my place today and there never will be.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
72. Right Wing Hate Was All Over Dallas
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 09:13 AM
Aug 2016

But as I have researched that day, aided by some things that have seen daylight after 50 years through the FOIA...I am reasonably sure Oswald was nothing more than a patsy, just as he proclaimed shortly before he was silenced forever right in the freaking police station. Dallas was try 3 after Chicago and then Miami did not work out.

So I firmly believe JFK was hit by the Mafia and right wing lunatics in the CIA etc, all because JFK worked out a deal to avoid nuclear war, crazy as that seems.

That said, in the current climate, with mass shootings happening almost weekly in a different day,it is totally irresponsible for Trump to make any veiled threats. We have seen his thugs brutally attack protesters already.

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