2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSteve Kornacki Outlines Current Electoral Map On MSNBC: 390 Hillary - 148 Orange Con Man
msongs
(67,462 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,193 posts)The only 2 states that are optimistic are AZ and GA. With McMullin in the race, Utah will hit to Hillary. Also, SC is in play and so is MS.
Renew Deal
(81,883 posts)MFM008
(19,823 posts)So think 1984.
Mondale lost all states but Minnesota.
And Mondale was a good guy not a mental case.
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)We got this
Only if we vote
RandySF
(59,438 posts)Buckeye_Democrat
(14,858 posts)dflprincess
(28,086 posts)because Herr Trump has insulted Mitt Romney and, while a Mormon may knock on your door and try and convert you, they're not big on religious persecution as they've been on the receiving end of that. His attitude toward Islam may be something that hits a tad too close to home for many Mormons.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)who writes about the Mormons and he mentioned several reasons don the con got clobbered in UT in the primaries - thrice married, his vulgarity and exactly what you mentioned - the religious persecution that is very much part of Mormon history here in the US.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)nt
Democrats Ascendant
(601 posts)He and Dumpster split the red vote, giving Clinton the chance to take it. Maybe.
yellowcanine
(35,702 posts)Because Hillary doesn't need Utah and Utah is not going to put Trump anywhere close to 270.
chillfactor
(7,584 posts)t-rump's wife...that does not fly well in Utah.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Democrats Ascendant
(601 posts)basically what I keep coming up with (+1 from NE2). Now I'm dreaming of TX and MS....
KMOD
(7,906 posts)I am feeling that it is indeed possible.
Rstrstx
(1,399 posts)Unfortunately the Republicans will probably spend every last dime they have to to keep the state red, so much so that it makes little sense for Democrats to spend money in the state when it would pay off much higher dividends elsewhere.
Flipping Arizona would make a lot more sense - it's cheaper, has as many nutjobs per capita that need to be removed from office and offers (slightly) better demographics. If successful a blue Arizona could serve as a kind of a master blueprint for conquering its larger relative further down the line.
In the meantime I think the most likely way to wrestle the state out of Republican hands is with an independent run for governor by someone like Cuban, who could do a lot of good by just vetoing the nonsense that comes down the pike. I think there's a good pro-business case to be made to the soccer moms in Frisco that the cuckoo Repubs are risking the future of the state by wasting our money peeping into toilet stalls, mandating fetal funerals, turning down free Medicaid money, and inundating our federal government with endless frivolous lawsuits. The fervent Republican base is way too stupid to see those issues for the big red flags they are, and with the right candidate it could catch them with their pants down.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)And probably not Arizona either.
The rest seems feasible.
Zynx
(21,328 posts)The state's only 55% non-Hispanic white.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Which tends to depress turnout among non-whites.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Arizona too.
The Utah polls are curiously interesting.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)relayerbob
(6,561 posts)StevieM
(10,500 posts)At least with Trump on the ticket.
If we can win by 8 points nationally then I think we will win Arizona by 1 point.
SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)Barack Obama lost the state with 45% of the vote in 2012 while losing white women by 14 points. Hillary is currently running ahead of Trump with that group.
CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)Georgia was one of three (out of 22) states carried by John McCain, in 2008, in which Barack Obama carried the female vote54%. (That was actually better than what Obama received in Democratic pickup states Florida, Ohio, and Virginia.)
There were five (out of 22) McCain states in which the white voterss size of the vote times their McCain/Republican support was not enough for immediate carriage: Missouri, Montana, Georgia, Arizona, and Texas.
yellowcanine
(35,702 posts)csziggy
(34,139 posts)August 6, 2016
Democrat Hillary Clinton has built a slim lead over Donald Trump in Georgia after one of the worst weeks of the Republicans campaign, and the Libertarian presidential ticket cracked double-digits, according to a new Atlanta Journal-Constitution poll.
The poll released Friday shows Clinton at 44 percent and Trump at 40 percent in a head-to-head matchup, within the polls margin of error. It is the latest showing a close race between the two candidates in Georgia, a state that has voted for the GOP nominee since 1996.
In a four-way race, Clinton led Trump 41-38, followed by Libertarian Gary Johnson with 11 percent and Green Party candidate Jill Stein with 2 percent. When including which candidates voters lean toward, Clinton led Trump 43-39, and Johnson netted 12 percent.
http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2016/08/05/ajc-poll-hillary-clinton-has-slim-lead-over-donald-trump-in-georgia/
Georgia poll: Clinton leads by 7 points
By Jesse Byrnes
Clinton leads Trump by 7 points, 44 to 37 percent, in the JMC Analytics poll released Monday, with Libertarian nominee Gary Johnson taking 7 percent.
Another 10 percent of respondents were undecided, while Green Party candidate Jill Stein registered just 1 percent support in the poll.
Clinton leads Trump, 84 to 6 percent, among black respondents, while Trump leads her among white respondents, 52 to 25 percent.
Clinton also holds a big advantage among women, 48 to 35 percent, while men are more evenly split, 41 to 40 percent, in favor of Trump.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/290725-georgia-poll-clinton-leads-by-7-points
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)AZ before this new independent guy got in. Arizona has A LOT of Mormons and they really don't like don the con. If we can get the cons to split their votes between donnie and this new guy (sorry, I don't care enough to look up his name again), Hillary maybe could squeak by.
axiom3
(54 posts)At this rate, I fully expect a massive landslide victory for Hillary, with her possibly obtaining over 400 electoral votes, carrying several traditionally red states such as AZ and SC. Her margin of victory would probably be similar to what GHWB had over Dukakis in 1988.
Honestly, Trump is such an utter prick that it would be more fitting for him to obtain the same amount of votes McGovern and Mondale did.
Miigwech
(3,741 posts)Get out the vote for Democrats. Work hard, don't stop, don't get complacent.
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)I agree with the rest though.
Too bad I'm not a pundit on TV, because if you're just someone normal, you'll get called an idiot for making predictions like this.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Where Bill was governor.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,374 posts)results in November!
Some of those states that are currently shown in red are gradually lightening in color. Some could even turn blue with Trump as the candidate, especially in the more sparsely populated Western states where Gary Johnson will siphon off some GOP votes from Trump.
We need to wholeheartedly support the Clinton-Kaine ticket in EVERY way that we can.
st17011864200074656
(190 posts)But probably 347-191 is the most likely outcome at this stage though more blue is always better.
GOTV!
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)We can still lose OH and FL on swing state chicanery and still win. You don't get to be "President Plus" with 390 as opposed to 291.