2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum**Breaking: Evan McMullin for President***
Just heard on Morning Joe. Well-Funded 40-year old former CIA operative, supported by Republicans looking for a different choice. Graduate of Penn (Wharton) and worked at Goldman Sachs.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)Renew Deal
(81,868 posts)LynneSin
(95,337 posts)then he is AWESOME!!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)means what he says about real funding. If this guy can perform nicely in front of the cameras, more money will flood in. He doesn't need to win to improve things greatly for the GOP and hurt us. He's entering as a spoiler for the Democrats AND to get the Republican Party a new face.
He has a nice resume of being concerned about refugees but is an ex-CIA officer who is strong on defense. He worked as a banker at Goldman Sachs before working for the GOP Congress but will undoubtedly pose as an outsider who's never held office and try to draw both anti-establishment populists and mainstream conservatives.
My scary question is, could they possibly hope to throw the election to the Republican-controlled Congress? I.e., could he win anyway?
But my almost as scary questions are,
* We now have a fairly good chance of getting a majority in the Senate, perhaps even control. Could he spoil that by drawing off voters?
* We have a distant but real chance of getting a majority in the House. Has that just become
virtually impossible for the same reason?
* How might this affect all the other down-ticket races we have hopes of winning?
eShirl
(18,496 posts)an Egg McMuffin
a kennedy
(29,693 posts)rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)on YouTube speaking at Penn about the future of the GOP.
He has very little charisma. He's a wonky nerdy guy. This is a joke.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)He looks good in photos, very NOT party establishment-ish.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)He's a handsome, intelligent, articulate guy
And a bachelor in his 40s. That's sort of interesting and maybe a breakthrough of sorts.
When was our last bachelor president?
However he does not have big room charisma that I can tell.
Wonder how the Goldman Sachs connection will play? Or how Julian Assange and Vlad Putin feel about having an actual CIA agent in the race?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)of getting majorities in the House and even the Senate. AND to rescue the image of the GOP somewhat. Even though he's running as an independent the party could embrace him enough to give conservatives sufficient hope that they will continue on with McConnell, Ryan, the Koch alliance, etc.
As for 3 years at Goldman-Sachs, I'm guessing that won't hurt him with conservative voters, more perhaps just nicely rounded experience?
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)But there are ways that could backfire on us.
They don't need to win. They need to keep anyone from reaching 270, and then the House decides.
I hope the immediate effect is to make Trump lose his shit. It well could.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)the presidency -- horrible as the very unlikely specter is -- but rather our hopes for control of Congress and some state legislatures, governorships, judgships, etc.
randome
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pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)artyteacher
(598 posts)piechartking
(617 posts)This is total kamikaze territory. They're just trying to keep Trump from 270 and also provoke some unhinged responses.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)They are also hoping to keep Hillary from 270 to send this to the House so we get President McMullin.
Not gonna work but that's what they're thinking.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)And some of those swing states might help keep them in Hillary's tally
Demsrule86
(68,632 posts)And this is a ploy to get it into the House..and Trump wins.
brooklynite
(94,670 posts)Buckeye_Democrat
(14,855 posts)grubbs
(356 posts)There will be tweets. The gutters will overflow. There will be tweets in the cities. Tweets in the towns and villages. Tweets in the forests and the hills. And they will never stop until trumpansy blows a blood vessel. This is gonna righteously epic dudes and duddettes.
Yet somehow asinine and juvenile.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)still_one
(92,319 posts)http://heavy.com/news/2016/08/evan-mcmullin-anti-donald-trump-who-is-joe-scarborough-cia-house-republicans-independent-running-for-president/
"McMullin Thinks America Needs to Show Strength Around the World & Criticized Obama for Leaving Iraq"
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Buckeye_Democrat
(14,855 posts)... then they should be running a strong anti-abortion candidate.
Trump's lead over Clinton among white evangelical Christians was 69% to 19% in a recent poll, his biggest lead BY FAR among any group. Their main concern is stacking the Supreme Court with anti-abortion judges.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)and we know exactly where the Christianiat crazies will go with that.
Weird times we live in.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,855 posts)Hmm... I'm not too giddy about him running at this point. I doubt that he'll end up hurting Clinton, but I'd feel better if I KNEW that he'd hurt Trump.
Yeah, the religious nuts would probably prefer a multiple-divorced creep like Trump instead of a bachelor. He might be GAY! Oh, no!
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)The plot thickens. He's a BYU grad from Provo. If he's LDS he's anti-choice, most likely. And he could destiny Trump in Utah with that BYU degree.
But the batchelor thing gets even more interesting.
If this is a Utah-specific candidate that's fascinating. It really would be a boost to Hillary at little risk to her if so.
What are the odds a never-married maybe-Mormon CIA agent and a constitution-waving Muslim gold star dad and mom cost Trump his dreams? Who could make this shit up?
What strange times.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,855 posts)Is he Mormon?
He might help Clinton win Utah? It's a pretty small electoral prize, though.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)Something big up here.
And I like it. It's a pro Clinton move if he's a Utah specific candidate.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,855 posts)rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)What are the filing deadlines in the big three LDS states?
This is a crazy development but if it's a specific play for LDS voters in those states it helps Hillary immensely with no downside.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,855 posts)General election deadlines shown near the bottom.
Arizona: Unclear
Nevada: August 30th
Utah: August 31st
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)A bachelor Mormon man. That is very unusual, at his age.
Zambero
(8,965 posts)How many of the 10 Commandments posted in their front yards hast he violated so far? But aw shucks, God is forgiving, and so are humans (only selectively so).
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,855 posts)rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)That's why the McMullin candidacy is fascinating. He's a Utah native with a BYU degree.
Zambero
(8,965 posts)Johnson is already pulling quite a few Republican votes away from Trump in Utah. McMullin could bleed away quite a few more.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)Mormons certainly do mind this and it's why Johnson is at 17% in Utah.
Say what you will about LDS folks, they are serious about the character issue.
Zambero
(8,965 posts)RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)tavernier
(12,395 posts)Sorry, just my initial impression when I saw him speak this morning.