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retrowire

(10,345 posts)
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 03:48 PM Aug 2016

to those out there who say, Hillary caused the wars and killed innocents

That say that Hillary screwed our economy and coated millions of jobs.

That say that Hillary is to blame for so much...

I, as a passionate Berniecrat must say something.

She never acted alone. She alone does not hold the responsibility for the war in Iraq or the creation of ISIS or anything like that.

She acted along with many others in power. She isn't perfect, no leader is...

But her worst critics need to realize that while we may live in an oligarchy, Hillary alone has not been solely responsible for pulling strings at the top.

Now that we're out of primary season and I've been able to reconsider the field, I know I've learned alot of good things about Hillary now that I'm not playing against her.

Again, the point is, it is unfair to hold her accountable for the actions of an entire government that she could not have pulled off herself.

That's all I'm saying.

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BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
3. Her statement on the IWR resolution is part of the public record.
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 04:00 PM
Aug 2016

Anyone who hasn't seen it should search for it and educate themselves. Derangement syndrome is the only excuse for anyone who considers her a "hawk" after reading it.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
2. realistically, although her vote on Iraq was some combination of pandering and bad judgment,
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 03:53 PM
Aug 2016

there isn't a person who died there who would be alive had she voted the other way. Bush and Cheney made the decision to go to war, and there wasn't going to be any stopping them. And, sadly, the IWR passed with such large margins (thanks in part to both 2004 nominees Kerry and Edwards, our 2000 Vice Presidential nominee Joementum, as well as future Vice President Biden) that Clinton's vote didn't possibly have the power to stop it.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
5. And if the fall IWR hadn't passed, they would have gotten a blank check IWR with the
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 04:04 PM
Aug 2016

incoming Rethug Congress. Either way, it was a done deal.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
4. Thank you. But let's just underline the indisputable fact that it was George Bush
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 04:02 PM
Aug 2016

and his administration, including Cheney and Colin Powell, who fed us false information about WMD's and led the charge into that war.

Not any Democrat like Hillary who had no access to the confidential information the Bush administration had.

And Hillary took no action as Senator or Secretary of State that was connected to the loss of millions of jobs -- except for her stimulus votes that helped to save millions of jobs.

R B Garr

(16,957 posts)
6. +1000, thank you, and about Iraq, she also had the behavior of two previous
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 04:23 PM
Aug 2016

Presidents (one a Republican and one a Democrat) to look at how they handled conflicts there, neither of which was a predictor to the absolute malice, aggression, and dishonesty of the Bush son's administration.

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