Can RNC replace trump without trump's permission> YES, but looks undoable

[beachbum bob]

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in timeframe as th RNC would have to convene a vote and have time periods per their rules....but they could vote on a new rule and if passed by 3/5ths of the members...


link to RNC bylaws https://s3.amazonaws.com/prod-static-ngop-pbl/docs/Rules_of_the_Republican+Party_FINAL_S14090314.pdf

The Republican Party rules states that “the Republican National Committee is hereby authorized and empowered to fill any and all vacancies which may occur by reason of death, declination, or otherwise of the Republican candidate for President of the United States or the Republican candidate for Vice President of the United States.”

"declination"
"or otherwise".....

it would take a majority vote of the RNC membership I suspect to remove trump and name a replacement


the problem is time frame as state ballots are about to start to be printed.....

[brooklynite]

1. "otherwise" doesn't create a vacancy that RNC can fill.

You still would have to get him to quit.

[beachbum bob]

8. I have many lawyer friends and my best buddy is a lawyer who is involved with

creations of 501c3s and other types of organizations and he says the term "othersise" is a classic catchall so a board can vote to oust some one for a variety of issues as long as the board agrees..so yes, the RNC can deem any candidate for president as a problem and vote to oust him and then vote on a replacement most likely by simple majority depending on their bylaws

[Cosmocat]

12. Not what most are saying

the post you replied to is what the general consensus on this language is ...

FURTHER, you know damn well trump would take it to court, and no way a count would rule against him on it, at worst they would let the clock run out on it and not rule on it before the actual election.

[beachbum bob]

16. I tell you the court would have no jurisdiction if the lawsuit is anything BUT following the bylaws

the court doesn't have the authority over an organization bylaw's definition of removal scenarios.... and only be involved if the bylaws are not followed

[Cosmocat]

18. Which is what Trump would claim

and again, by the view of most, would have a legitimate claim ...

Again, at best it would frozen past the point where he would end up on the ballots.

[beachbum bob]

19. the vote wouldn't count if trump is removed as the RNC nominee...even if name is the ballot

I have seen the same scenario played out in local elections.....again trumps lawsuit would have to be on the following the procedure of the bylaws.....not on the "definition" of the cause of removal as that definition is solely in the hands of the RNC ALONE

[MoonRiver]

20. What reason would they give?

Rump, as far as I know, has not been diagnosed with any mental illness or declared incompetent by a judge. Personality disorders, e.g. Narcissistic Personality Disorder, are NOT mental illnesses. They simply ARE one's PERSONALITY. Probably at least half of Congress could be diagnosed with a Personality Disorder. So, based on this analysis, what excuse would the RNC use to remove Rump without his consent?

[NurseJackie]

2. I'm reading the word "otherwise" as a description of possible reasons for the vacancy to occur.

Not as a justification for forcing someone out, or for creating a vacancy in order to replace them.

[Cosmocat]

14. Currect

and IF they tried to pull this, no ifs, ands, or buts Trump would go to court on it, and no way a court rule in this short of a time frame before the election, to allow them to take him off the ballot.

[NewJeffCT]

3. I think "otherwise"

means that the vacancy can occur for other reasons besides death or declination. (say, being indicted over Trump University, Trump being declared insane, or maybe extreme physical injury.)

[Cosmocat]

15. correct

nm

[beachbum bob]

17. the removal doesn't have to have a legal backing at all...

all that has to happen is a majority vote of the RNC on keeping trump because he has become "unfit"...no court can intercede on trump's behalf as its a vote of a private organization based on the powers granted via the bylaws..and trump could only sue or get a restraining order if the bylaws were not followed

[In_The_Wind]

4. The only option we'll have to keep Trump out is by voting Hillary into the Oval Office.

[MohRokTah]

5. It wouldn't ever hold up in court if they tried.

If they tried, voted, and the vote came out against Trump, he'd have lawsuit and a restraining order in place so quick it would make their heads spin, he would never stop being the nominee, and the RNC would likely end up owing him a shit ton of money because a court would throw that shit out before it was ever heard.

"Otherwise" is not an explicit grant of power to reject a nominee after having nominated them and the language would have to be explicit and specific in order for them to do it and have it hold up in court.

[beachbum bob]

11. untrue...if RNC bylaws are what they are, trump's lawsuit is frivolous as long as the RNC conducts

the motions and takes the vote according to their bylaws....trump only point of argument would be if the RNC violated their own bylaws.....a court has no jurisdiction on what a board's definition of "otherwise"...that is a matter for the RNC itself to determine as power granted to them under their bylaws

[MohRokTah]

22. Where did you get your law degree?

Because you are due a refund if that's how they taught you about torts, contractual language, and private organizations.

[oberliner]

6. This is not going to happen

Trump is the Republican nominee and will remain so.

[Cosmocat]

9. correct

nm

[BigDemVoter]

7. Wouldn't this be an ugly, mesmerizing clown show to watch?

I'm afraid I'd have to call in sick for work in order to eat popcorn and watch those wretched creatures claw each other's skin off.

[UCmeNdc]

10. Trump's hardcore voters would revolt and take the whole GOP down.

The RNC cannot take Trump out without Trump's supporters attacking the GOP. Only way is if the RNC bribed Donald Trump to leave.

[beachbum bob]

13. even bribing trump won't stop his zealots from abandoning the GOP, thats the beauty of this mess

the RNC can pick a short view or long view on their destruction and what can be salvaged

[LAS14]

21. I think "vacancies which may occur" has to happen...

... before the RNC votes to replace. They're not authorized to cause the vacancy. But.. if a nominee became incapacitated... couldn't talk, couldn't think... OH! HEY! Couldn't think!!! Well, yeah, maybe....