Talk me down, please !!!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

Anybody familiar with my post history knows I eschew conspiracy theories but I am afraid the GOP will dump Trump.

Please tell me they won't.

[NurseJackie]

1. Okay. They won't.

[LoverOfLiberty]

2. If they do

they will have a lot of pissed off Trump supporters on their hands.

They really are in a no-win situation.

[pnwmom]

3. If they did, wouldn't Trump just run independently? Even if he told all his followers

to write him in, he could wreak tremendous havoc.

[NurseJackie]

4. And even if they do, those who supported them will abandon the party.

The party does WORSE if they do dump him (in my opinion.)

[vollehosen]

5. They can't dump him

He must choose to drop out on his own. Personally I think his ego is too large for him to allow himself to concede.

[RDANGELO]

11. One exception

If there is any truth to the theory that he is a Clinton plant, and they could find any proof of it. I imagine they could take him to court and have him removed. If that is the case, then he self imploding too early. He would have waited until maybe October.

[writes3000]

12. He's not a plant.

It makes no logical sense.

[RDANGELO]

17. What about it makes no sense?

[MoonRiver]

20. Everything. No way would Hillary want such a cretin spewing vile insults at her day in and day out.

Puhleeeeze!

[vollehosen]

27. He would never allow his brand

to become this damaged solely to support another candidate. Unless Hillary has some incriminating pictures of him...

[obamanut2012]

16. lolz Clinton plant

[Hortensis]

21. HOW could this dingdong be ANYONE'S plant?

He has NO discipline. People have known for decades that he has a seriously disabling personality disorder. Would that that diarrhea-mouth even to keep a birthday present secret? This is just an incredibly silly idea for that reason alone, but I'll give you another one.

Federal penitentiary. What you are suggesting is possible is extremely illegal and would mean ruin for everyone involved. Except those who managed to cut a deal with the feds, and they'd be mostly ruined.

Think about it. You might also consider that suggesting Clinton could be complicit in major criminal activity is a violation of the TOS.

[SomethingNew]

29. This is my all time favorite conspiracy theory.

I certainly don't believe it but it is fun to think about. He could be a Clinton plant that has just grown out of control. Like a runaway AI that has achieved consciousness and no longer plays by the rules.

[emulatorloo]

31. Don't you remember Trump was Birther-in-Chief and also heavily involved in the

"Obama must release his college transcripts cuz I know Obama is ignorant" movement?

Trump is not a plant.

[brooklynite]

44. No, they can't "take him to court"...

...no legal basis involve the Government in the operations of a private organization.

[JustAnotherGen]

6. They won't

He would have to step down - or they lose his base of voters. If they eject him - they will all just write him in if their state allows it.

Or - Maybe they vote for Clinton in protest!

[geek tragedy]

7. they can't. he has to withdraw, otherwise they are stuck with him nt

[democrattotheend]

8. I am too, sort of

I don't think they can actually dump him now that he has been nominated, but I could see him quitting if he realizes he can't win. After all, he is mostly self-financing, and he is not going to want to keep wasting money if he knows he can't win. Whether or not his ego would allow him to come to that conclusion is a separate matter entirely.

[writes3000]

9. If they dump him or if he quits, the damage to the true followers is done.

Imagine this scenario....

Imagine if Bernie had won the Dem primary and after he became the nominee, the press and the party turned on him knocking him out of the race. Imagine Hillary stepping in to take the nomination.

How do you think Bernie supporters would react? Would they rally around Hillary or would it be WW3?

Exactly.

[radical noodle]

10. I don't think they can dump him

the Trump true believers will eviscerate them if they do.

[MohRokTah]

13. The can't. It's a done deal.

[BainsBane]

14. He would have to voluntarily step down

within the next month or so. After that, it's too late to get anyone else's name on the ballot.

[piechartking]

15. They can't. He has to decide he doesn't want it.

That's what I heard on Morning Joe. But after September 1, it's too late, no matter what. After then, they're stuck with him.

[emulatorloo]

18. Calm down for a sec and listen to me.

1. If they dump Trump, he'll run Third Party. Said as much during primary.

2. If they dump Trump, their insane base will refuse to vote for down ticket 'Rinos' who they will believe sold out Trump and stole the nomination from him

I am sure they are praying for him to drop out, his ego will not allow that.

I want to also make note of his current behavior on campaign trail and interviews. I read all this stuff about implosion etc. However Trumps attitude seems to me to be very optimistic and upbeat. His campaign may indeed be imploding, but Trump doesn't think so. He's convinced he will win.

This optimism also convinces me that there is no way he's going quietly. In his WAPO interview he talked about setting up superPACs to destroy Kasich and Cruz. If Republican Party tries to dump him he will be quite happy to fuck them over. GOP elite is aware of that.

[womanofthehills]

39. If his numbers are down, I doubt he will run 3rd party

I don't see the optimistic and upbeat - I see an angry confused man.

[auntpurl]

19. It doesn't matter either way.

If he leaves or is ejected (although there's no plausible way for them to eject him), the GOP loses. If he carries on and continues to be awful, the GOP loses.

[cleveramerican]

22. The show must go on

The big Clinton,Trump showdown cannot be derailed.
Flailing about and the swirl of chaos all are part of the process.

[TwilightZone]

23. Nah, he isn't going anywhere.

Except to a loss in November. Preferably a double-digit one.

[Adrahil]

24. Unless Trump quits, they can't.

At least not without breaking their own rules.

If he were to be removed without quitting, it would be a bloodbath.

If he quits, I can;t see it being ALL that much better.

But I doubt he will quit so long as the margin stays less than, say 15 points over the next month, which it almost certainly will, just based on a a solid base of 35% who would likely vote for him even if he committed a human sacrifice during one of his rallies.

I think all this talk of replacing him is just wishful thinking for the NeverTrumpers.

[sufrommich]

25. If they dump him he will burn them down.

They won't officially dump him,they'll just let him go on without party support,not that there's been much of that anyway.

[Blue Idaho]

26. Let's remember

He still has a path to victory in November. We need to put all our energy into defeating that SOB because he is going nowhere.

[MineralMan]

28. I do not believe the party will be able to organize itself

well enough to take the steps needed to remove Trump as its candidate. If they do, however, it will lead to an even larger landslide for Hillary Clinton, since Trump supporters will vote in very large numbers for Gary Johnson in protest. Republican Party leaders watched the voters select the least qualified candidate as the nominee. Trump isn't even a Republican, really.

He's not a tea party candidate. He's not a classic Republican candidate. He is sui generis. He is the result of a complete breakdown of unity within the GOP. Anything the GOP leadership does will result in a Clinton win.

They are well and truly screwed in 2016, and they did it to themselves.

Please proceed, Republicans.

[Turin_C3PO]

33. I bet

the Republicans add superdelegates to the nomination process from here on out, to prevent another lunatic from winning the primary in 2020.

[MineralMan]

34. Too late for that now.

By 2020, it may be too late altogether for a very long time.

[Turin_C3PO]

35. True.

My hope is a more sane, moderate, Republican party emerges from the ashes of the Donald Car Crash of 2016, but that's probably wishful thinking.

[longship]

38. And they vetted 17 freaking candidates to get here!

Amazing!

Madness! Madness!

[Nay]

43. Yeah! Think about that! Even if they could throw Trump out, who the hell are

they going to install as their puppet? There wasn't one sane one in the bunch!

[emulatorloo]

30. DSB please see "Josh Marshall: That Ship Has Sailed"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512339390#post3

Babylonsister posted this, please be sure to rec her thread.

Here's Marshall's analysis, and IMHO he's right:

That Ship Has Sailed

By Josh Marshall
Published August 3, 2016, 9:28 AM EDT

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/that-ship-has-sailed


There's a lot of chatter this morning - based on absolutely nothing, so far as I can tell - that Donald Trump might drop out of the presidential race. I emphasize: as far as I can tell, chatter based on nothing but what I suspect is wishful thinking on the part of Republicans. At the same time, reporters are quoting high level Republicans sources saying that in the next few days top tier Republicans might come out in opposition to Trump. I will totally believe it when I see it.

But I can't help but note what seems obvious.

We've had Judge Curiel, Megyn Kelly, the banning of an entire religion from America's shores, the demand to deport 3% of the US population, the Khan family, protester beatings. Tell me when to stop, okay? There's a lot more. And yet what seems to have been the red line was Trump refusing to endorse Paul Ryan and John McCain in their Republican primaries. Yes, the Khan debacle was big. But little more than a week ago we had Republicans coming out of Cleveland saying that Trump was killing it.

Even if you take a more generous view - an extremely generous view - and say that it wasn't really the non-endorsements, that it was just the flood of everything that's happened since the convention, still there's a problem. Because Trump can say, not without real credibility, that the GOP power structure only turned on him when he refused to endorse them. He has maneuvered them into looking deeply craven, having missed the opportunity to abandon him on their own terms. Of course this isn't that unfair since they are actually craven regardless.

In truth, I don't think it's really the Khans or the endorsements. It's the polls. Seasoned politicians should know that a convention bounce can subside rather quickly. But this is a sizable bounce. And Trump's behavior coming out of the DNC doesn't inspire a lot of confidence that he'll regain his footing.

When Trump clinched the nomination, his polls surged. It turned out to be a fleeting surge. But it provided critical grease on the skids of numerous Republicans coming around to at least nominal support for his candidacy. The dip in his numbers, fleeting or enduring, are having a similar effect. But whatever. Bad polls numbers, the refusal to endorse the House Speaker in his primary race, these appear to be the drivers. Is there really anything we've seen about Donald Trump in the last week that wasn't entirely obvious two weeks ago? Of course not. This is craven and ridiculous any way you slice it. Sometimes the train is rumbling down the tracks at 120 miles an hour. You have no brakes. You have no conductor. You have no way to change physics.



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[ismnotwasm]

32. Can they even do that?

I think if they could have they would have

[mcar]

36. I don't think they will

He's not going to bow out gracefully and the bigot contingent would go batsh!t insane all over the GOP if he got forced out.

Seems to me they still think they can control the guy. Their delusion is complete.

[longship]

37. First question. How do they even do that?

We're in uncharted territory here. No nominated presidential candidate of a major US political party has ever been removed (that I know of).

Trump is the GOP nominee.

GOP clusterfuck!

[womanofthehills]

40. Did you see the news today

An intervention is in the works!!! This should be good.

[longship]

42. But how?

I think people just don't know. So they speculate wildly, which serves no purpose whatsoever.

[Old Terp]

41. I can't help wondering how much money from donations

he will try to grab for himself for services provided to the campaign by his various companies.