2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary +5 in newest Poll
http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/TM651Y15_DS_13/And the bump begins. I want to see her up by at least 5 across the board by next Thursday. And the statewide polls are trending her way too.
calguy
(5,325 posts)but what do I know?
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Now will the media report this? I have my doubts.
Johnny2X2X
(19,114 posts)A lot of the polls won't come out for a few more days.
She had a 5 point lead a few weeks ago, she'll get that back, but the difference will be that more people will have made up their mind permanently.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Don't need to give that goal time.
Johnny2X2X
(19,114 posts)I want to see every poll have her up by at least a few points again.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Charles Bukowski
(1,132 posts)Right-leaning Rasmussen actually had Clinton in the lead, and I didn't hear a peep about it.
It's the MSM's best interest to sell this race as a nail-biter, similar to Clinton vs Sanders (which wasn't a nail-biter at all).
padfun
(1,787 posts)I even remember a point where they refused to mention his name on air.
It was only when Bernie started winning some states that they started the horse race meme.
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calimary
(81,451 posts)it confuses me when I see this - that there's a sense of the Sanders campaign being almost ignored by the mainstream media. Seriously? I find that astounding. To me it seemed rather glaringly the opposite.
I mostly watch MSNBC. And some CNN. NEVER Pox Noise, of course. For some reason, my husband and I stopped watching the "Big 3" networks a long time ago. Today neither of us has any clue what shows are on prime time on any night on any network. We're always on alternative channels. But on MSNBC, please forgive me saying this but I felt it was Hillary getting SEVERELY short shrift. Week after week, I felt like people like Chris Hayes and others on MSNBC were almost literally trying to jam Bernie Sanders down my throat.
I actually grew not to like Chris Hayes in particular, because of that. Show after show, I'd sit there and grouse to my husband - "shit, does he EVER cover Hillary? Oh great. Yet ANOTHER interview coming up with Bernie Sanders. Is this a weekly feature now? How long has it been since he had Hillary on?" Almost everything Chris Hayes said had some sort of Bernie angle to it, or how this compared to Bernie, or what Bernie was doing about such-and-such, or what Bernie said about this or that, or somehow related back to Bernie. Even a quickie network promo that briefly featured him (maybe for a mere three seconds) showed him as part of a panel where, sure enough, he was bringing up Bernie Sanders. His interview with Ilyse Hogue of NARAL was stunning! He pushed and pushed and pushed, to the point where I felt he had to have made some bet, off-screen, that he could flip her to Bernie right there live on the air. But as the interview dragged on, and she held firm, his facial expression actually turned visibly darker and darker, and more and more concerned, she wouldn't budge, and he finally gave up. Frankly, sometimes I couldn't help but suspect that what Chris Hayes was really doing on his show was auditioning to become White House Press Secretary in a Bernie Sanders administration. Hey, it's happened before. Ron Nessen certainly made the jump from network news to White House Press Secretary - for Gerald Ford. Again, my own personal bias here as a Hillary supporter. SO much more attention seems to have been paid to Bernie Sanders that sometimes I just couldn't even watch anything anymore, out of sheer frustration.
I still don't understand how anyone could think Bernie got short shrift in the media. Quite the contrary. To me it felt strongly as though some anchors and reporters were quite literally obsessed with him.
treestar
(82,383 posts)the way they would if Donald was ahead.
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)piechartking
(617 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)ffr
(22,671 posts)I'm thinking more along the lines of +55% by the way we've just destroyed the whole republican belief system, from their leaders to their followers.
Silent3
(15,263 posts)While I'm feeling fairly good about Clinton winning in November, it's still a major source of anxiety for me that the election could possibly be this close. Trump's odds of winning in an even slightly sane world should be nearly zero.
Mira
(22,380 posts)We cannot let up and cannot become complacent.
Johnny2X2X
(19,114 posts)I want to see us up by at least 5 because I think the superior ground game we have is worth another 3-5 points at the voting booths.
A win more than 7 points is not only a mandate, it also means really good things down ticket.
RexCasual
(171 posts)After last week's republican convention, I need my faith in humanity restored.
calimary
(81,451 posts)I know how you feel. I was so relieved that the Democratic convention came second. We got the last word, and we'll be the main takeaway from this two-week period. People tend to remember best what they heard last.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)by 2.x percent..... LOL!
Still, that's an awful lot of people out to sea.
Their trendline shows much more of a steady decline by Trump than a Clinton gain; Clinton is more or less at the same level as a week ago, maybe a point higher.
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)sometimes people feel less pressure to commit.
Cosmocat
(14,572 posts)they attributed polls that came out immediately after the RNC to be a "bounce" but in reality that most likely was the result of the shitfest over Hillaries e-mails.
What this is showing is the period that would be where a "bounce" would be the Donald loses support.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)of the RNC?
That is actually very possible. That thing was a nightmare.
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)Wonder what's up with that furry dog?
Maru Kitteh
(28,342 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Donald will lose more and more the more voters know about him.
StraightRazor
(260 posts)she should be solidly +25 right now against the Abomination - almost any other Democrat would be. The Abomination should never poll above the 35% or so that are his solidly 'completely lost to reason and reality' base.
I think it's going to be way closer than it needs to be through the Fall, but she'll win by a razor-thin margin.
I see 7 points.
Johnny2X2X
(19,114 posts)Where are you seeing +7?
killbotfactory
(13,566 posts)I don't care what you think about Hillary, this is a no-brainer.
No progressive cause any of us cares about will be advanced under a Trump presidency. None. Flat out.