Just heard on MSNBC

[Peigan68]

One of their female reporters just said she was talking to some Bernie delegates and has found out that there will be some kind of protest tonight in the convention hall possibly during Hillary Clinton's speech. In other words, they will try to embarrass her while she's giving her all important acceptance speech.

These people give new meaning to the phrase "sore losers."

[sufrommich]

1. If the left is good at anything, it's shooting their own foot. nt

[MADem]

9. I don't think a lot of them are "left" -- or they're so far left they're now far right.

Any group that can insult a civil rights icon and not have a fucking clue how the nomination process works, while ignoring the personal entreaties of the candidate they purport to suport, is a member of the SMSL (Selfish Me, Sore Loser) Party.

Immaturity gets MORE embarrassing with time, not less!

[Hortensis]

67. They're probably most far left. This kind of hostility,

ruthless selfishness, contempt for the needs and opinions of others, and whatever dishonesty and self foolery are required to sustain it all are very characteristic of people with at least some extremist traits. On both the right and left.

There's a reason they're called extremists, and it has little or nothing to do with issues and everything with how they regard and react to the world around them. Anyone doubting that should remember that Bernie's positions in this election year are all traditiuonal, long-accepted and supported liberal positions. That's why a large majority of his support is from mainstream Democrats.

And of course you're right that there may well be some right-wingers in there. They're fraternal twins who both are full of hostility toward moderates but who hate Democrats more than anyone else.

[GreenPartyVoter]

13. We need a better name than the left. Many Dems and progressives are Lefties.

[sufrommich]

15. I like The Herbal Tea Party. That fits since the Know Nothings

is already taken.

[GreenPartyVoter]

18. I am drinking herbal tea right now. LOL One bag of Bengal spice chai, and one

licorice spice. Tastes Like spice drops!

[sufrommich]

20. Lol,I've never had a taste for tea.I'm a strong coffee drinker and the

stronger the better.

[GreenPartyVoter]

21. Coffee is my morning drink, tea is for afternoons, and cocoa for evenings. Most days, anyway.

[JaneQPublic]

22. Someone needs to offer them some herbal tea...

...laced with double doses of Lunesta or Ambien.

When they wake up, it'll all be over.

[cynatnite]

35. Is it a big tent party?

Iced tea drinker here!

[emulatorloo]

19. I totally agree

But I will note that madem put the word "left" in quotations, so maybe that works?

I think maybe a better description might be 'binary-thinking ideologues' but that's a hell of a mouthful, lol.

[ismnotwasm]

24. I agree

They are doing the left a disfavor

[Alfresco]

31. The FLEAs - Far Left Entitled Anarchists

[RKP5637]

42. ...

[Paladin]

62. Perfect description, from what I've heard and seen. (nt)

[Person 2713]

66. Like it

[3catwoman3]

74. Most...

...excellent.

If they do this, then, in the words of my 94 yr old mother, "Shame on them!"

[Fresh_Start]

82. enjoying that

I may borrow it.

[PragmaticLiberal]

48. I agree.

I consider myself "left", but what I'm not is an entitled ass....like some of these people.

[One of the 99]

81. How about the hipster left.

That's how I think of them.

[cynatnite]

2. Their deranged hatred of Hillary rivals the repukes. n/t

[one_voice]

16. this.

[LisaM]

3. Why? Why? WHAT are they protesting?

Honestly.

[Cali_Democrat]

4. I don't think they even know what they're protesting

They just want to get a bunch of facebook likes.

[stopbush]

7. Yep. It's not about Bernie or a progressive cause.

It's about them and their own self aggrandizement.

[RKP5637]

43. Exactly what it's about IMO. Frankly, they don't even give a sh** about Bernie either. n/t

[Native]

41. "The house is on fire. Stop crying because we aren't putting it out with your hose." - Seth Meyers

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/seth-meyers-bernie-or-bust_us_57984499e4b0d3568f852c28

“We’re on the cusp of electing a racist demagogue, and that never ends well. I don’t know which class you ditched to go to those Bernie rallies, but I have a feeling it was history.”

See his full “HEY!” segment in the clip above.

[JaneyVee]

11. Democracy.

[MADem]

12. It's like someone took their lollipop, or something... nt

[redstatebluegirl]

75. And they are stomping their feet and screaming until they get what they want.

[MADem]

80. It reminds me of fine restaurant dining when there are children in the joint who

haven't been taught how to behave--WWWWWAAAAAAAH!!!!! SHRIEKKKKK!!! LET's RUIN THE EXPERIENCE FOR EVERYONE!!!!!!!!


Dad did tell them he wanted them to behave--maybe now he needs to send them to bed without any dessert.

The ones yelling Trump the other night are moles, and cretins. They aren't for anything that Sanders or Clinton stand for.

That kind of thing, though, it energizes me. The lower they go, the higher it makes me want to go...!

[TDale313]

32. If you don't know, then you haven't listened

Throughout the primaries. The issues are actually pretty consistent. You may not agree with them, or might feel the tactics are counterproductive (I'd agree) but the why and what has been stated all throughout the primaries.

[LisaM]

40. I have listened. i have never seen a runner-up

dominate an event like this. They have received tons of concessions. The primaries were not rigged in favor of Hillary, whose legal team has been working against voter suppression for ages. I have been listening. It just seems that they are still determined to make this about perceived slights rather than marking this amazing milestone of finally having a major party nominate a woman, and a pretty great woman at that.

[Zen Democrat]

55. Are you too young to remember 1980? When Ted Kennedy split the Democratic Party

and gave us Ronnie Raygun. Ted wouldn't even do the staged unity moment at the conclusion. Ted never conceded.

[KitSileya]

59. Which is why we're so adamant they join or get thrown out.

Reagan was a disaster for America, how much more catastrophic would a Trump presidency be? There's a lot at stake here, and they are being absolutely ridiculous, and entitled, and selfish, and spoiled, and dangerous.

[geek tragedy]

64. these are the loons who think Clinton stole the nomination via election fraud

those people are about 11 donuts short of a dozen.

the people for whom it was policy and not psychosis have already moved on

[asuhornets]

5. Found this on JPR in regards to Chelsea Clinton's speech

The chant tonight for Chealea

Should be, “HEDGE FUND, HEDGE FUND”

[NurseJackie]

6. Here's one of them rehearsing what they'll do ...

[BlueStateLib]

79. Great movie

[seaglass]

8. hmm, I might need to watch this with closed captioning. Not interested in hearing a bunch

of farting buffoons.

Hopefully they will walk out and get locked out.

[leftofcool]

10. Not to worry, they will be drowned out by cheers

After tonight, will all fade away

[sufrommich]

17. That will still interrupt her speech,that's all they care about. Must

delegitimize this historic moment at all costs.

[bbmykel]

14. On the plus side...

to put it in Trump terms--maybe the uncertainty of what might happen will increase ratings!

I'm pretty sure Hillary Clinton can handle hecklers is she needs to, no?

Mike

[GumboYaYa]

23. If anyone is Bernie or bust after the last few nights, they need to be kicked out of DU, kicked out

of the convention if they are there and generally treated like the fools they are.

I was Bernie from the start. I have a history of being for the most progressive candidate in the primary. I also am very much on record about opposing nepotism in politics. I made a documentary film that was distributed nationally on that very issue. I am adamantly anti-war. I have plenty of reasons that Hillary is not the best candidate for me.

None of that matters when the choice we have is Trump versus Hillary. The decision is not even close. If the Bernie or bust folks cannot see this, I want nothing to do with them. Please go away and don't come back until you are ready to support our party. We vote for Democrats here.

[JCMach1]

26. Obama made it pretty clear... BOB= Pro-Fascist

Because that is the dead-end of their actions...

[onecaliberal]

27. ^^^That^^^

Why are these people still being allowed in the building.

[democrattotheend]

34. How do you keep them out?

How do you figure out which ones are going to be disruptive when they come in?

I hope that they have been escorting people out and removing their credentials if they are found to be disruptive. Then fewer would be able to get in tonight.

[ismnotwasm]

30. Whoa

That is very impressive and I thank you. Those of us who supported Hillary, or perhaps I should speak for myself, are very aware of the perception of her flaws and her mistakes. I can acknowledge them, wholeheartedly support her, and still understand the reservations of certain folk.



We can move forward, still fighting for the most progressive agenda possible.

[DemonGoddess]

51. ^^^This!!!

and what you and many others have said in the same vein, is why those of use who've been vocal about the Busters are making a concerted EFFORT to separate you from them.

Thank you for this!

[MineralMan]

25. Headline: 'Angry Assholes Disrupt Clinton Speech"

It's their chance at fame, and the cameras will be live. How pathetic their little outbursts are!

[Tatiana]

28. Donna Brazile needs to make sure Rep. Fudge has what she needs to maintain order.

There should be floor whips and security placed throughout the center. If people indicate they want to disrupt, they must be escorted out immediately.

[99th_Monkey]

44. Now you're sounding like Trump. "Get 'em outa here!! Take their coats too!!" n/t

[Tatiana]

46. No, I'm sounding like our President.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2015/jun/25/barack-obama-lgbt-heckler-immigration-white-house-video

The convention center is the Democratic Party's "house" for the time being. It's fine to make your opinion(s) known and to communicate your message of dissent. That's happened. Let's see if it continues to happen when the cameras are off. If they want to protest outside or elsewhere in public spaces, that's fine. But just like no one has the right to come into my house and heckle, yell at, our disrupt my routine, these protesters need to understand that there is a certain level of respect that needs to be conveyed. Just like they were invited in, they can be uninvited if they cannot demonstrate simple respect and courtesy.

[99th_Monkey]

52. Well, at least Obama said it more eloquently than the Donald.

The convention of the "Big Tent" party should be about more than just maintaining "appearances" ..

Had not the DNC emails been leaked, we wouldn't be seeing any of this, not at this level. Throwing
out delegates at their own convention would only insure the Party pushes them to Jill Stein. If they
get the rage at being defrauded out of their system at the convention, they may remember that and
vote for Hillary anyway.

Just a thought.

[geek tragedy]

58. the people crazy and stupid enough to think that Clinton stole the nomination

would have been acting like the crazy people they are regardless.

People who write crap like "Election fraud has now been officially and unapologetically embraced by the 'Democratic' party" are foes, and they cannot be our friends.

There's no reaching such people, they're obstacles not allies.

Obstacles get removed, not reasoned with.

TL;DR--Screw them.

[Tatiana]

63. I'm not so sure of that.

I think some of these people were not prepared to accept anyone other than Bernie Sanders as the nominee. I think the email leaks have intensified the situation, but I really think that some of these people are not conducting these actions on principle.

I am good friends with several Sanders delegates that are disturbed by what went on at the DNC. However, anyone who is pushed to Jill Stein at this point is no better than a Trump supporter. In fact, a Jill Stein supporter IS a Trump supporter and a supporter of all the things that Donald Trump stands for. The Sanders delegates will not support Trump in any fashion, but these protesters are a different story.

Hillary Clinton was not my primary choice. But here we are. Yes, the system is rigged. This contest has made me more committed to changing the system than ever.

I'm proud of what Bernie did and I'm proud of Bernie's supporters standing up and fighting for others. But we have a house that's drenched in gasoline with Donald Trump holding a lit match. If he gets elected, he will render the protester's efforts near meaningless.

The point has been made. Now what are these protesters prepared to do to fix this rigged system? Are they going to work at the municipal, county, and state levels to change the rules and regulations? Or are they going to pack up their marbles and go home?

[Andy823]

77. Those causing the problems now

Where never going to vote for Hillary. They were part of the "anyone but Hillary" crowd, who started out as the "anti Obama" crowd. They are not now, nor have they most likely ever voted for a Democrat. They are immature assholes.

[Loki Liesmith]

78. They are a few hundred gadflies their votes don't matter

[geek tragedy]

49. This moment is not about the spoiled, unchaperoned children

still wanting to make a spectacle of themselves during someone else's event.

If they are going to drop a turd in the punch bowl, they don't get to attend the party.

I imagine they can call their parents to come pick them up and take them to the mall or something.

[democrattotheend]

33. I really hope not

These people are hurting everything Bernie fought for, especially his effort to open up the party. After the last few days I wouldn't be surprised if the DNC adopts more restrictive rules that limit delegate status to elected officials and fatcats, because at least they can be "trusted" not to make a scene.

[leftofcool]

36. I understand that is pretty much what is going to happen.

[democrattotheend]

39. From who?

Do you have sources on the inside, or has that been reported?

[leftofcool]

83. A few inside sources

They are slightly more than rumors at this point.

[Koinos]

69. It reminds me of kids "acting out" for attention in primary school classrooms.

Their disruptive behavior causes the teacher or principal to make new rules and punishments that hurt the learning environment for the disrupters themselves and all the other students in the class.

Those who feel strongly about their principles should use their energy in community and political action in order to bring about real improvements rather than evoke backlash that profits no one and in the end casts a shadow on their cause.

I'm sure that all true progressives are embarrassed and chagrined by what they perceive as childish and pointless attempts to get "bad attention."

Obama was right: "Don't boo. Vote." Jump in the arena and work hard to make sure your cause is effectively promoted.

Protesting is often appropriate and necessary. But effective protesting is done with non-violence, decorum, and foresight as to what is best for expanding the movement. Effective protesting requires lots of training in order to avoid counterproductive behavior.

I would hate to see morons disrupting, along with Hillary's speech, the entire progressive movement.

[RKP5637]

37. FFS! Why don't they just vote for Trump and go away! They don't even have any respect for Bernie! nt

[Chasstev365]

38. I truly hope it's wrong!

MSNBC has been trying so hard to stir up shit.

However as a former Sanders supporter, I used to think the sore loser rap was untrue. However, I can totally see it now.

These last hold outs who are disrupting the convention are a bunch of immature fools. GROW THE FUCK UP: YOU DON'T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WANT! You are not only embarrassing Senator Sanders, you are embarrassing yourselves.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

45. There are no Bernie delegates anymore. Bernie's no longer a pres candidate. He's endorsed Hillary.

And did so with much grace and dignity, I'll add.

Anyone belaboring the issue at this point is a disruptor and a nihilist.

[DinahMoeHum]

47. These are the people Doris "Granny D" Haddock warned against. . .

. . .back in 2003. An oldie but goodie. . .
http://www.alternet.org/story/15789/don't_stand_in_the_way_of_our_joy

(boldface emphasis is mine: DMH)

(snip)
There are many among us on the peace trail who will not support a candidate unless that candidate is perfect on every issue. Politics is about winning. For us, it is about winning to save lives and raise people up from poverty and illness and loneliness and injustice. Those posturing on the left sometimes forget that. Don't tell me that you can't support a particular candidate because of this or that. This isn't about you and your precious political standards. It is about saving nature and our people. We are coming out to win, so please don't stand in our way. When we have reasonable people in power, let us start our arguments again, for we can not move forward unless we have a decent government underneath us and a Bill of Rights to let us speak freely.
(snip)

[DemonGoddess]

54. wonderful article! thank you for the link!

[OilemFirchen]

50. ...

[SummerSnow]

53. Put them out, and anyway Sanders left the Democratic party today.

[glennward]

56. Is he back to being an Independent? What did you mean by "left the Democratic party?" nt

[geek tragedy]

61. Sanders is a Clinton supporter and an important ally.

It's unfortunate that these people followed him into our nominating process, but he's with us, and not them.

[democrattotheend]

70. He did not "leave the party" today

He said when asked, as he has said before, that he will serve out his term as an independent because he was elected as an independent. That is being spun into way more than it is.

[kacekwl]

57. MSNBC just trying to stir the pot

to grab those all important Fox viewers.

[Thinkingabout]

60. The shouting goes to closed ears, it can result to closed doors. Nothing to protest.

[MoonRiver]

65. Ship of fools!

[Politicub]

68. Not worried - Hillary will be ready

She's always prepared and approaches everything with a steady hand.

[dubyadiprecession]

71. They are very sad people.

[GeorgeGist]

73. If MSNBC is good at anything ...

I don't know what it is.

[Gothmog]

76. This will really piss people off

People have lost patience with the bernie bros

[jodymarie aimee]

84. consider the source

calm down folks...consider the source....MSNBC trying to gin up fireworks. Shame on them forevermore.

[John Poet]

85. The people who have been "sore winners" have not helped matters, I'm sure.

I hope nothing happens during the speech.

If I were there, as a Bernie supporter during the primaries, I would try to convince them to forego any speech disruption and limit any protest to some other moment... but of course, I'm not there and don't know anyone who is a delegate.