2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI refuse to baby these grown ass idiots protesting our convention
Time to kick them out and finish our party. These are not really democrats. These are busters and soon to be Trump voters who would rather let Trump win as revenge for them not getting their way and being outvoted. News flash! You ain't doing nothing but making yourselves look irrelevant, privileged, angry, stupid, ignorant, loud, uninformed, pathetic, ridiculous, and nobody is going to join you in your obsolescence just because you get loud and start frothing at the mouth.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Those muthafuckers bet not interrupt Joe or O or Hill. I will scream so loud, I am finally outraged
Awknid
(381 posts)Do you hear yourself? Do any of you posters hear yourselves? I've never imagined the party to be so divided. You guys are not helping that!!!
one_voice
(20,043 posts)Could someone please tell me exactly how we can help.
Anything said about BoB's or ignorant protestors (there's a difference) gets 'you're not helping'
It seems to me that the **some** of the Bernie supporters what the rights to say & do whatever they want & everyone is supposed to sit quietly. How far are we supposed to bend while people shit all over the convention. Every night they've disrupted. EVERY NIGHT. To the point you couldn't hear some of the speakers.
Do any of you posters hear yourself? The constant threat/blackmail of not voting is getting old. Kinda like how you guys say YOU don't want to be blackmailed with fear of Trump.
I don't think anyone is saying is not ok to protest. After all that's how progress is made. However, there has to be some kind of respect for the other people.
luxmatic
(31 posts)Pretty sure there's a misunderstanding around who, exactly, owns the convention. Hint: the entire party, not just those who win.
bjobotts
(9,141 posts)according to MSNBC. You want to get rid of protesters when you disagree with them? That's what republican fascists do. They have the right to do what they are doing and you have the right ignore them rather than demand they not exist.
They don't feel their party is hearing them and to a certain extent they are right.."They should have their credentials stripped". This is what democracy looks like so take a pill.
DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)Else's rights.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)Hekate
(90,755 posts)They are behaving like rude spoiled brats having a tantrum in public to embarrass mommy and daddy for enforcing bedtime.
Midnight Writer
(21,778 posts)Maybe you can enlighten me, because I see every speaker giving a shout out to the Bernies. I see a party platform that has changed to please the Bernies. Every one from Uncle Joe, Tim Kaine, Obama, has specifically praised Bernie and said "I hear you".
Bernie supporters even got to cast their Bernie votes on the convention floor. I have never seen that before.
I have not seen a single shouting, booing, jeering Bernie supporter removed or chastised from the floor, even when the speaker was interrupted. In fact, I turned off my damn TV in disgust when I saw Bernie himself being shouted down and jeered by his own supporters.
Tell me, please, what deal, compromise, policy, subjugation is required here to let the Sanders supporters know that they are being heard?
Short of giving him the nomination that he lost through the primary process by over three million votes.
bfealk
(477 posts)e-mails.
Even though Bernie said Hillary won fair and square, we now know that just wasn't true. The DNC had their thumb on the scale the entire time.
If Hillary loses, it won't be because of Bernie supporters, it will be because Hillary is a flawed candidate with very high unfavorables and lack of trust numbers and no central theme to her campaign.
dirtydickcheney
(242 posts)It'll "all be Bernie supporters fault!!"
What a complete lark!
If HRC loses it'll be on account of her negatives and the DNC rigging the election with one of the least trusted candidates in history.
Not due to Bernie. He actually has Republicans that like him.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)They do us all a disservice by making it likely that the party will be more restrictive in terms of who can be a delegate in the future.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)After this? Fuck that, no more 'independents' need apply, join or not. But no more repubs and indys in our party
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)I really don't think closed primaries will accomplish what you think it will.
George II
(67,782 posts)....choosing MY candidate.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)I read on TPM that it was started by the Oregon delegation. Oregon is a closed primary state, which means only registered Democrats can run for delegate and vote in the primary.
George II
(67,782 posts)Joy Reid:
"Sorry, but that was shameful. Chanting "lies" while Leon Panetta was making the case against Trump inviting a Russian cyber attack? Fail."
Hekate
(90,755 posts)They were determined to heckle him regardless of what he said, even if it made them look stupid.
George II
(67,782 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)who has been worth a damn in the last month or so.
calimary
(81,383 posts)All it's gonna do, for most people, is alienate them from whatever cause or grievance is being shouted about. And when you heckle somebody like John Lewis or Elijah Cummings, who deserve NOTHING BUT respect, then you really lose your case. All you wind up doing is pissing people off, particularly those who really might agree with you. Guaranteed you'll lose a bunch of 'em.
I'm sorry. It's just not right. Yes these folks have the First Amendment. But sheesh - so do all the people who could yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater, who don't do so. For the same reason: because you just shouldn't.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)STFU! STFU! STFU!!!!
Gothmog
(145,433 posts)I was to eliminate caucuses. Sanders got the bulk of his wins in undemocratic caucus states
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)Perhaps you are confusing it with Washington, which is a caucus state?
George II
(67,782 posts)...and they were Sanders delegates.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)In other words, registered Democrats in a closed primary state.
goldent
(1,582 posts)DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)What do you want to make a bet they left the party as soon as they voted in the primary.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)You can't say that people can't participate unless they are registered Dems and then make it so you can't register.
DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)In the Dems, and when he lost they were trying to force him even though he lost. If your not willing to accept a loss What good does that do?
livetohike
(22,156 posts)Turin_C3PO
(14,016 posts)Some are Democrats. My eye doctor is a 48 democratic delegate and has radicalized these past few months and now is probably among the idiots disrupting.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)bjobotts
(9,141 posts)leave. lol Shoot 'em. Lock 'em up. USA USA black lives matter but not single payer or renewable energy.or police brutality. It's a convention. Relax. No one is getting beat up or shot.
Turin_C3PO
(14,016 posts)I just don't like the ridiculous interrupting.
emulatorloo
(44,156 posts)Hekate
(90,755 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)Now, there's no way I'd ever want to see an open primary that would allow these jerks to disrupt the proceedings like they have.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)mcar
(42,358 posts)They are not helping their cause.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)lapucelle
(18,296 posts)support of Bernie are thinking, "Hey, I wanted you in there, lobbying for Bernie's agenda, not outside burning flags. I didn't sign on for that."
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)The delegates I voted for, if they are part of the crowd heckling and burning flags, are not the kind of people I thought I was selecting to represent me. I would still vote for Bernie but I wish I had run for delegate and encouraged other more sane supporters to do the same.
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)and that's where the money for their cushy upbringing came from.....
Parents just forgot to teach them anykind of manners!
Bunch of Iphone Apple computer using self entitled hypocrites!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)The wear their factory made corporate sold anti TPP shirts and act like they are the earths children.
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)the Mother's Movement walked onto the stage to tell their story.....
Bunch of clueless self centered Know-it-all spoiled ass brats!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)Hekate
(90,755 posts)mcar
(42,358 posts)It's all about them.
bjobotts
(9,141 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)When a Black Lives Matter march arrived, tensions rose as they refused to unite the two protests. This message is not gonna get drowned out. I will not allow it one BLM protestor said, as he argued that the Bernie or Bust crowd only wanted to protest together to make their own movement look larger than it was, not to address racial injustice.
A group of Sanders supporters attempted to ease tensions with we are in this together chants that clashed with hell no DNC we wont vote for Hillary screams.
This is why we cant do anything a Sanders supporter said of BLMs attempts to keep the two protests separate.
A BLM activist replied that he had joined the Bernie or Bust movement before, but that their this is what democracy looks like motto did not represent his demands as a black man. Ive been shot in the street. You wanna talk about that? he asked the Berner.
From the national review
lancer78
(1,495 posts)Really? You are going to quote that right-wing trash magazine here?
Hekate
(90,755 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,342 posts)Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)And I hate these busters as much as you do, and I'm voting for Hillary, and I'm cheering on every speaker. Apple is a corporation that has had more than its share of shameful business practices--I won't excuse those, nor will I apologize for my choice...but are you really saying that Hillary/Bernie supporters only use Android phones and Sony computers? Because those aren't corporate and have sterling business practices?
And I'd like to point out, that I remember when "Occupy" protesters were "mocked" for being iPhone using Apple computer users. Funny how the other side mocks us Apple users for being left, while you mock us for being right...
Hate Apple if you like, there are plenty of reasons to...and I'm sure some of those Busters are Apple users. But Apple user = Buster? Why would you say that? What has a single Apple user ever done to you, outside of buying and using a certain smartphone and computer, that you would make such a hurtful assumption about all of us?
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)Altogether.....
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)...you didn't mean that the entitled children of corporate leaders who didn't teach them manners favor such devices? I mean, I didn't mean to misunderstand you, but that is how the post reads.
Let me ask you this, and maybe you'll see what I mean. If you were describing a group of big-hearted, charitable, courteous and decent people, would you ever say: "A group of iPhone Apple computer using honest, hard working souls"?
If not, then maybe you didn't quite see what you were saying with that extra description. "Self-entitled hypocrites" I understand. But I'm confused as to why you felt it important to point out what devices they have to be using, unless you presume that using such devices are part and parcel of being a self-entitled hypocrite.
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)Good on them!!
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/apple-wont-aid-gop-convention-over-trump-224513
Sent from my IPad
What up on the Apple diss?
certainot
(9,090 posts)the dinner table
and there are prob also a few lazy 'libertarians' who used to be republicans, maybe even a few trolls in there
Tarheel_Dem
(31,236 posts)DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)NBachers
(17,130 posts)unitedwethrive
(1,997 posts)no matter their age!
Cha
(297,446 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)They hate us so much they can leave. But it might be hard to get attention without us.
Cha
(297,446 posts)not going to take it anymore.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)MFM008
(19,818 posts)I'm sure. Drag them out by the hair. Get the net. Get the hook.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Fuck it. If theres going to be a disruption we can at least get rid of them
Haveadream
(1,630 posts)Particularly the ones who are saying they won't vote for Hillary.
Hugely well heeled, well educated, well employed, privileged beyond belief. Really.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Cha
(297,446 posts)They need to get the fuck out of our Convention.
We're for the People.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)sarae
(3,284 posts)I think they would lose all steam without the cameras.
Cha
(297,446 posts)Response to Cha (Reply #25)
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Cha
(297,446 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Haveadream
(1,630 posts)Incredibly privileged to attend top tier schools and have the opportunities that follow from that yet having learned absolutely nothing about the risk their recklessness will cause those who are not so fortunate. Unlike them, millions cannot withstand the damage Trump's regime will do. As for war, it is the least privileged TRUMP will send to the front lines to die, not the loud mouthed delegate weasels who are interrupting the leaders trying to prevent that disaster.
For people who have had the benefit of the best schools, they are incredibly stupid and self absorbed.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Well heeled, well educated, white as hell... Not all, but many of the really influential ones, as I recall.
Had a few things to learn, as it turned out. But they had a much better start than many.
Anyway, they said all those bad things about them, us, back then, and more. But we did some good stuff too.
And look at what self-indulgent, selfish, short-sighted, and white as hell group a few turned out to be.
Glad it wasn't all of us.
Oh, and is Canada taking people who avoid a draft? I'll help.
Haveadream
(1,630 posts)Minorities cannot withstand a Trump presidency. And, as far as protesting, his candidacy is our current Viet Nam. The anger is right but their target is wrong. If Trump wins, I will completely, unequivocally blame not only the Republicans but all the idiots on the left who aided and abetted that. Every death, every war, every loss of rights, every deportation, every police state escalation, every white supremacy militia, every shooting, all the kids who cannot afford to go to school, all the people who die for want of healthcare, the ruining of the planet, and on and on. They can own it because right now they should be doing everything they can to stop him but instead they are helping him win.
DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)Speech given a civil rights icon.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)all the other institutions, many of which were just as revered.
Times change.
DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)It seems to me that these new protesters that the poster is trying to liken to the student activists of old seem to have no sense of history. In other words, IMO these new protesters don't have the class of the old. They had respect where these new kids don't. They're assholes plain and simple.
DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)I'm sure they probably grew up and voted for Reagan.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)might be more inclined to see them as people.
They all had their moments, faults, strengths.
We had protesters turn on each other, absolutely. There were people being killed, serious times. The person next to you might well be FBI feeding you a plan to blow something up.
Overall we had a lot more security, free time, hope to work with. You could get an education and a job at nearly any university for almost nothing. Today we are at the tail end of a financial theft, tens of millions of Americans falling off the cliff in various forms, 40 years of no longer investing in education, mental health, etc, aggressive wars we start with lies and a world that is beginning to really dislike what we are doing.
And when people want to talk to folks that should be on their side, they find them writing bills to send their jobs overseas, to cut their food stamps, to make the bank$ters that stole their homes richer. No help there, and certainly none from the fascists across the aisle.
I wouldn't be surprised if they interrupted Jesus.
So they are scared, trying to figure things out. I wouldn't say no class, I would say untrained, and facing things they weren't prepared for. (There likely are some disruptions, but this isn't about them). There are people who care very deeply, but see the people around them screwing a lot of people while talking practicality, a lot of their neighbors hurting, and excuses where there should be relief.
We had the benefit of thousands of people teaching each other to see each other as people, to look a little higher. , and opening our minds to a lot of new things. People just flopped down and started blowing a joint and talking.
And while the talking went on, we didn't fight.
Haveadream
(1,630 posts)They also protested Humphrey so much the country ended up with Nixon and more Viet Nam. I hope these dopes will use their awesome internet research power to see how well that turned out.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Haveadream
(1,630 posts)Particularly the ones who are saying they won't vote for Hillary.
Hugely well heeled, well educated, well employed, privileged beyond belief. Really.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)"that well-education" just didn't make sense.
Thanks
Haveadream
(1,630 posts)I don't know what Hissyspit means by "well-education". Vernacular for "ignorant" I suspect.
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)A top education doesn't guarantee a rational mind. Nor does it guarantee that you're have a good heart, or the ability to emphasize or care. There's some very smart narcissists.
"that well-education," the way it was phrased didn't make a lick of sense.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2313232
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)Hitler was one damn smart guy! But he wasn't a good guy.
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)...top schools, broad curriculum (math, foreign language, literature, music), and higher education like college and graduate school.
He was a good student at elementary level, but then he went into a school that focused on science, which he (notably) hated, he got poorer marks and, to quote from one site: "When he was 16 years old in 1905, he was no longer required to attend school. Of course, he had the option to go on to receive a higher education; but, he decided that he was done with schooling forever."
So, well-educated? He was educated. But he wasn't what we usually mean by that term. He didn't relish the education he got and seek to expand on it--he didn't even both self-educating himself as so many intelligent men/women do if they haven't the opportunity for a higher education.
But I kinda think that we're a bit off topic here. I don't think anyone is calling these Busters "Hitler." What we are saying is that they're the sort who are easily duped by a Hitler, and we usually like to think that those who are "well educated" know better and can see through such.
sarae
(3,284 posts)they don't act privileged at all.
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,998 posts)Whatever point they are attempting is lost in the basic fact of their idiocy.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)But I'm sure msnbc will blow it up
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Horrible, I know.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)I know? Because they dont give a crap they just wnt to act out and get attention. They are too scared to do this shit at the RNC. Glad they are making themselves irrelevant as fuck with their hypocrisy.
ismnotwasm
(41,998 posts)Probably hate their own damn selves
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I saw one who was just so pissed that they were acting like this convention was for Hillary. I have no clue wtf they thought a convention was.
Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #61)
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procon
(15,805 posts)They should pay for their own arena to carry on with their screaming and yelling instead of trying to hijack the Democrat's nominating convention. Their disruptive behavior has created enough disgust and condemnation that they've done more harm to themselves than any sympathetic goodwill.
ismnotwasm
(41,998 posts)Could you clarify?
Hekate
(90,755 posts)xocet
(3,871 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,998 posts)How do they not get this? They are not making friends or influencing people.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)And in the future I think any delegate has to have actually been a registered democrat for at least three years.
Be a good rule for candidates too.
And closed primaries. We cannot be forced to digest the radical loony left. They're as poisonous to us as the birther far right is to the GOP.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I'm sick of this shit.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)Better to eject people seen disrupting tonight and yank their credentials. If you are talking about banning all Bernie delegates en masse I can't support you on that.
I don't like any of your proposed rules, especially the proposal about requiring people to be registered Democrats for three years. That would mean that nobody under the age of 21 could be a delegate, and it wouldn't work in states like Virginia that have no party registration at all.
I don't think closing the primaries would do much good. Do you really think that if Dennis Kucinich had won more delegates they would not have acted the same way?
I don't support what the disruptive delegates are doing, but you will never convince me that we would be better off if Bernie hadn't run and hadn't raised the issues he raised and inspired people and gotten people involved.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)you put security in the aisle. You ask others around them who was yelling.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Revoke their credentials NOW DNC!
lostnfound
(16,187 posts)Throw them all out. Maybe they will start their own party and we can hate them for being spoilers in some future elections. Lovely.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)If there were ever a terrorist attack the first thing they'd want to do would be to pass out the name tags for a peace conference with ISIS.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)I DO believe wholeheartedly in self defense, however. And not negotiating with terrorists.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)IMHO.
Bernie told those assholes not do that on the floor the other day.
This shit is on Jill Stein and the news media that encourages this behavior!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I'm done with Fox news lite (MSNBC)
IronLionZion
(45,480 posts)but anything less than supporting our nominees this election is just helping Trump.
Bernie gets it.
Many others are a little too privileged to care that real people will suffer if Democrats don't win big.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)They want an easy win or else they disrupt.
Third Doctor
(1,574 posts)The problems with the DNC can be ironed out later. We have a more urgent fight on our hands now. Trump cannot be allowed to win. These fools are shortsighted and selfish. If they are not actually voting Trump they might as well be.
Johnny2X2X
(19,087 posts)They aren't Democrats.
world wide wally
(21,749 posts)It is all about "THEM"
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Just go to JPR to see the proof.
This crap is a Jill Stein/MSM production now!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Skittles
(153,170 posts)misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)Btw..what ever became of the wiff off?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)The idea stunk
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)Basic LA
(2,047 posts)I keep hearing, "Oh, they're not Bernie supporters. They're just agitators pretending to be." Yeah, and that wasn't the Japanese Navy that bombed Pearl Harbor, just agitators pretending to be.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)He asked them to cut it out. I am trying not to blame him fully for these losers.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)and they are doing it.
I don't see a "follower" in there do you?
Not to mention 90% of Bernie supporters are going to vote for Hillary.
These creeps are part of the 10% fringe.
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)fucking assholes. He sent out emails AND texts saying not to do this, please. And this is how they respect him. Fuck that shit. That is NOT respectful.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)I hope they just kick rocks
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)We gonna have to clse up our primaries real tight like
dobleremolque
(492 posts)mcar
(42,358 posts)WTF are they even protesting?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Skittles
(153,170 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,175 posts)My gawd the righteous anger is ridiculous. Shouting No More War to a corporate war hawk
It's a big tent. Just because the progressive candidate lost doesn't mean we all have to walk lockstep behind a man calling for a thirty year war.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)Coolest Ranger
(2,034 posts)We are supposed to be uniting but these guys are making it hard to encourage them with behavior like this.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Cha
(297,446 posts)glowing
(12,233 posts)Much a liberal item. I don't have a problem protesting Panetta.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Because thats not wtf this was about.
DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)Last edited Sun Jul 31, 2016, 04:03 AM - Edit history (1)
glowing
(12,233 posts)lapucelle
(18,296 posts)Protesters shout down E. Cummings, walk out on Mothers of the Movement, and heckle Panetta while he's berating Trump.
They're self-centered idiots.
OKDem08
(1,340 posts)Have you read any DNC leak e-mails? It's not intellectually honest to disregard corruption within. Speaking the truth.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)SalviaBlue
(2,917 posts)Some people thrive on the drama.
I have no idea what they said. Watch C-Span. Just say no to the drama.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)SalviaBlue
(2,917 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)They are not victims and I will continue pointing out their hypocrisies as they happen
SalviaBlue
(2,917 posts)With your name calling.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)ericson00
(2,707 posts)IamTheNoodle
(98 posts)that's exactly what he wants.
ericson00
(2,707 posts)but he's a scumbag who has no place in the Democratic OR Republican parties. He should go hang out with the CPUSA or Green or even Libertarian party.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)HeartoftheMidwest
(309 posts)You're all frothing at the mouth over, I think, "millennial" protesters at the convention??
Really.
The generation that will inherit a planet in a death spiral because of our greed and selfishness and lack of action?
The generation that at last count holds about 3.5 trillion dollars of educational debt? That has a rotten jobs outlook because we destroyed our economic base here in the USA, in order to increase profits for ourselves?
Perhaps the first generation in ages that will have a lower living standard and life expectancy, because of our greed?
The generation that is stuck cleaning up our wars for oil, and the horrible human suffering we caused worldwide because of it?
How dare they spoil a nice choreographed television spectacle with their messy belief in a right to protest?!!!??? That's unDemocratic!!!!
I think it's wonderful that they care enough about the issues that face them to get involved. We older folks complain that the millennials were "too lazy and privileged to get out and vote in the elections" and when they DO, we criticize them because they don't do it the way we like???? Their participation in the process is one of the healthiest things I've experienced in a LONG time.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)HeartoftheMidwest
(309 posts)I hope to goodness that there aren't many younger, impassioned voters reading all this venom and negativity being spewed at them by their party, and the people who claim to want their votes.
Because they will turn you off, and never look back.
And they will create their own party, and continue to grow, and the Democratic party will shrivel and die and become as irrelevant as the Republican party is now.
That can't possibly be what many of the above posters want.
Response to HeartoftheMidwest (Reply #98)
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EvolveOrConvolve
(6,452 posts)I note with interest that you didn't have the same response when BLM protesters interrupted a Bernie campaign appearance.
Edit to add: just so it's clear, I disagree with what the protesters are doing. Just calling out your flamebait.
PoutrageFatigue
(416 posts)EvolveOrConvolve
(6,452 posts)Pretty interesting...
heaven05
(18,124 posts)wake up and smell the S*** you're spreading, We can talk about who, since the murder of Trayvon Martin, as an arbitrary starting point, on DU has used the words thug, criminal, ect when describing PoC laying on the ground with a pudddle of their blood soaking into this blood washed land. Anti-semetic nothing. Bernie Sanders supporters for the most part were not crude privileged idiots like these die hard dumbells. But they have always been here at DU diminishing and distracting from the truth, Bernie didn't want to address issues specifically targeting PoC in America. He has since said that he is concerned, but tepidly. Our only concern now is to prevent the american nazi party fuhrer from taking over this country. All this sniping bullshit is totally counterproductive and the original OP is right on the mark.
PoutrageFatigue
(416 posts)That's all it is FFS!!
DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Up and go home and work on their hurt feelings instead of messing with our convention.
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)Ilsa
(61,695 posts)I always hope people will behave with dignity as if the camera is directly on them. And earlier I felt bad for them because of all of the recent mess. But we're down to business now, the nominations are made and accepted. It's time to whip up the delegates and people who will be working on the campaigns, not fighting old problems or trying to express their grief over losing to Clinton.
demwing
(16,916 posts)Ilsa
(61,695 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)not them for all Bernie supporters, not you
wallyworld2
(375 posts)It's part of the process and the convention is going on just fine with them there.
Democracy isn't a bad thing and kicking people out who don't tow some kind of made up party line is more like chumps party than what our party keeps claiming to be.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....booing John Lewis? That was an all-time low.
They are an embarrassment to our Party.
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wallyworld2
(375 posts)is not the hallmark of progressive positive change.
What these people are pushing for will benefit the nation
That's what Democrats are supposed to be about, not business as usual.
The place to protest is where the people are.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)When a Black Lives Matter march arrived, tensions rose as they refused to unite the two protests. This message is not gonna get drowned out. I will not allow it one BLM protestor said, as he argued that the Bernie or Bust crowd only wanted to protest together to make their own movement look larger than it was, not to address racial injustice.
A group of Sanders supporters attempted to ease tensions with we are in this together chants that clashed with hell no DNC we wont vote for Hillary screams.
This is why we cant do anything a Sanders supporter said of BLMs attempts to keep the two protests separate.
A BLM activist replied that he had joined the Bernie or Bust movement before, but that their this is what democracy looks like motto did not represent his demands as a black man. Ive been shot in the street. You wanna talk about that? he asked the Berner.
From the national memo
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)No more and no less a part of the process than criticizing their actions-- which is in fact, part and parcel of "what our party keeps claiming to be..."
Lithos
(26,403 posts)Some of it involves people who are still grieving... I'm ok with them... I'm one of those who voted for Bernie.
However, I also know there are many who voted for Bernie because he was not Hillary and can't move on beyond that point. I'm not ok with those people as they seem to think there is some sort of third way. Unfortunately it helps Trump.
I'm with Bernie and like him support Hillary because she'll make a far better president than any other option on the table.
Maru Kitteh
(28,342 posts)they wouldn't be taking a crap all over his entire campaign by acting like spoiled brats, loonies and Trump supporters.
To hell with their little "feelings." Kick them off that convention floor.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Then don't.
I'm sure they will really care.
But they got you posting one of these types of threads almost daily.
We're all really impressed.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)They're a laugh riot!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)cliffordu
(30,994 posts)They don't want your 'babying'
Maybe they're for real about putting a little skin in the game for an unpopular (around here) stance.
You, I believe would have said the same thing about me at the riots I went to and participated in.
I was with Vietnam Veterans Against the War.
And babies like us kicked our little feet and helped end the goddamned war.
Question: What would it take for you to get out of your house and swim against the current in real life, in public, when people you are supposed to be siding with revile you for your effort, misguided or not? What would it take?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)They dont know shit about that life or being the real fucking oppressed. I was IN the LA riots in 92 as a fucking kid. I know how violence is and I know lifelong struggle. If you wanna compare these self important well off and educated entitled brats to people who live the struggle day in and day out, thats on you.
Haveadream
(1,630 posts)and years more of Viet Nam! Babies like this gave us BUSH and they are well on their way to giving us TRUMP.
The protesters need to *think*, be strategic in their message and stop targeting the very allies who can help avert disaster. The rightwing always takes advantage of division and will make everything the protesters don't want become reality tenfold. Why do you think Bernie is absolutely mortified and imploring them to stop?! The situation always become worse and it will again. The people least able to defend themselves will die. Hundreds of thousands of people will die. Democrats with a sense of history and commonsense don't have a problem with "protests", they are trying to avert the disaster of Trump.
betsuni
(25,582 posts)This morning on the news my husband saw some of the disruptors with tape over their mouths, weeping, faces distorted with rage and despair, as if they were being arrested and sent to a Siberian labor camp for 20 years. He said, "They're ugly." Willful ignorance and selfishness makes people ugly.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)smack down.
Obama validates the democratic process, messy as it can be.
I love this president and will miss him.
bjobotts
(9,141 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)A-yup.
Obama understands and gives his blessing. Will be sad to see him go
SunSeeker
(51,607 posts)Their booing and chanting to shut down Dem speakers is not an exercise of free speech rights, it is an attempt to take away fellow Dems free speech rights. It is shameful and counterproductive.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)oh wait...
Nah, he didn't.
He said, "We all need to be as vocal and as organized as Bernie Sanders's supporters have been".
Are you dissing our greatest President?
SunSeeker
(51,607 posts)He was talking about working hard to elect Dems at all levels, not throwing silly temper tantrums.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Sorry you don't
SunSeeker
(51,607 posts)It is the Bernie-or-Bust jerks who are ignoring Obama's words.
ismnotwasm
(41,998 posts)And not the thousands of hard working volunteers throughout Sanders campaign? Really?
Huh.
DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)DON'T BOO? VOTE
SunSeeker
(51,607 posts)The Bernie-or-Bust people booing and chanting to shut down Dem speakers at the DNC, after the Dems have chosen their nominee, is not an exercise of free speech rights, it does not get Dems elected (which was the context in which Obama made that statement). It is an attempt to take away fellow Dems' free speech rights and weaken our nominee. It is shameful and counterproductive.
Yallow
(1,926 posts)It's not all good.....
Maybe some of the folks are sick of our pay to play government, and know it will only become more corrupt as our planet spins in a death spiral of heat waves, floods, droughts, tornadoes and hurricanes.
There are more issues at stake then "just" defeating Trump.
Maybe if someone actually mentioned fighting government corruption, half of Trump's supporters might become Democrats.
Like that will happen.
I know two Trump supporters, and they say they will vote for Trump because he is not corrupt.
For what it's worth.
They don't care if his is a "$^**%@(*&(*^*&&_&_" asshole.
Nice shiny convention. Now when will the 1% be paying to fix the planet they are destroying for profit?
I think not......
Go back to your pretend world where tunnel vision is all that is allowed. The 99% will keep up the fight until we all win.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)A bunch of memes and talking points all stuck together in an incoherent ramble is what I get from them. These are people who have never missed a fucking meal or lived in a shithole ghetto as I have so I am not impressed with their pristine ass ideology that does not work in real life. And they could give a shit about the hood or racism or anyfuckingthing that does not affect them directly.
Yallow
(1,926 posts)Putting down people because they are smart enough to know our government is completely corrupt is silly in my book.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/princeton-experts-say-us-no-longer-democracy
WE ARE NOT A DEMOCRACY
Now go on pretending your vote really matters, while the people you vote for serve the people who pay them the most.
Some of us want something done.
How about you?
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Now go on pretending your vote really matters..."
Which is different than "Now go on pretending your protests really matters" precisely how?
SunSeeker
(51,607 posts)Their booing and chanting to shut down Dem speakers is not an exercise of free speech rights, it is an attempt to take away fellow Dems free speech rights. It is shameful and counterproductive.
Yallow
(1,926 posts)Do Not Get In The Way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
While you are clutching your pearls count the state houses, governorships, and congressional seats our party has lost while bending over backwards to Wall Street, and surrendering to the Republicans, and their economic treason.
The billionaires, or fear of their money own almost all Republicans, and most Dems.
Accept it, or keep living in your pretend world.
There are a hell of a lot of Dems who voted for a lot of horrible legislation, and even support the Fascist TPP corporate takeover of our democracy. The problem isn't just Republicans my friends. Tens of millions of Americans understand this. Do you? Even Jimmy Carter (who was not invited because he tells the truth) says America is an Oligarchy with unlimited political bribery. The convention is full of the folks who profit from these bribes, whether you believe me or not. It's simply a fact that no one can deny.
Thank God there are a few Democrats that want to fix ALL OUR PROBLEMS and not pretend they don't exist, and continue throwing crumbs at the masses while the 1% amass more power and wealth every second.
I repeat. It's not all good.
SunSeeker
(51,607 posts)Protest outside, like everyone else.
No one is pretending our problems don't exist. They're trying to talk about them and how we will fix them. But a tiny group of rude jerks want to shut those Dem speakers down.
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SunSeeker
(51,607 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I find it rather illustrative that you maintain the self-validating pretense that anyone who disagrees with your position doesn't live in the real world.
Maru Kitteh
(28,342 posts)Via video because you know what? The poor guy is getting up there, not to mention he was given a death sentence not too long ago! His address was touching, and his endorsement VERY clear.
You should bother to know something about our party and our convention before you start blathering apologies for the entitled, patchouli-soaked, shit-stained little vermin in Philadelphia that are actively derailing and discouraging any growth of Bernie's message among those who would be natural allies. No liberal, no progressive wants to join a bunch of racist, spoiled little brats repeatedly shouting down civil rights icon John Lewis.
Yallow
(1,926 posts)"take away fellow Dems free speech rights"
Half the folks who's free speech was infringed upon will be VOTING FOR TPP.
Now Let's Talk about REALLY screwing someone.
SunSeeker
(51,607 posts)Jackilope
(819 posts)with being against it.
Obama is for TPP.
If HRC evolves again, finding gold in it, are those protesting it still going to be "whiney@ssed babies"?
Democracy is messy. Peaceful protest is all we've got when you can't pull together $200,000 a plate private dining and influential ear bending with party elites.
SunSeeker
(51,607 posts)You are pushing a truncated quote of a sratement she made in 2012, as Secretary of State, in which she was talking about the TPP goals of protecting US workers and the environment.
Jackilope
(819 posts)they have No TPP signs tonight?
Maru Kitteh
(28,342 posts)That's why. If they don't like it, and they can't control themselves, they can go join the Green vermin and patchouli-soaked bongo-bangers outside and protest their privileged little brains out.
SunSeeker
(51,607 posts)Which would give the TV audience the wrong impression.
Jackilope
(819 posts)ABC ran footage of money and the influential and how if you have 200,000, you get audience with top party people (Clinton, Biden, Obama). For you and I (I'm assuming you don't have that kind of cash to drop for dinner), besides calling an office or sending a letter, this is the one route to make sure you are at least heard or looked at.
With all this money being dropped, this brings distrust and concern from the little people.
Obama is pushing it, I fear that HRC is going to evolve back in favor of it.
SunSeeker
(51,607 posts)raindaddy
(1,370 posts)And for a party that has gone from representing half the electoriate to barely a third to so easily reject young Dems for peacefully protesting just shows how rigidly close minded it's become.
It was always the Republicans that had clockwork conventions where everyone marched to the same drummer. They all carried the same matching signs, wore the same stupid hats all bobbing their heads in unison.
While the Dems were more transparent, let their disagreements be visible, unapologetic as they fought over ther platform.
I think Chomsky might be right when he said the Democratic Party is the new moderate Republican Party..
Jackilope
(819 posts)I watched footage and observations from Sanders delegates at the convention. Heard a few accounts regarding ADA needs and how one disabled person needed a cart and a cart driver said he could help her, after he carted the VIP wealthy and invited people to where they needed to be.
One huge reason why Sanders had the appeal and hearts of supporters was identifying the problem with money and the influence of it in our broken system. To truly listen, you'd expect a Democratic Convention to not embrace and try to attract that kind of dysfunction and disconnect with us unwashed masses.
I agree with Chomsky.
DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)Your telling us that Trump isn't corrupt, unlike the Democratic party. and if you really think that Trump is not corrupt there is no hope for you
SunSeeker
(51,607 posts)MellowDem
(5,018 posts)I don't think that it's much of anything unusual, or that they have had any negative impact, besides raising the blood pressure of some sensitive souls. I agree they are obnoxious, like many protesters can be, but I have the feeling they won't be Trump supporters, and the majority will be voting Hillary in the end.
Lots of Democrats can be immature assholes, it's a big tent when there are only two viable parties, they're still Democrats, and people. And there are some young people (and a couple older people) who are very passionate, stubborn and naive (imagine that!). Better position to be in than the GOP, to actually have young people in the party. I'd rather have some young obnoxious privileged assholes making some noise at inappropriate times out of a much larger group of young people bringing energy to the party than a small cadre of young people that sit on their hands.
Yallow
(1,926 posts)The young and the screwed.
I hope they get involved before they are left to die.....
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Sure, disrupting is rude, but disrupting and protesting has always been a part of the poltical process.
Let them make noise - you don't have to agree with them, and if they take things too far, they'll just make asses of themselves.
Relax.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Even President Obama refuses to shit on them and instead he praises them.
You could learn a lesson.
Jackilope
(819 posts)... and not to worry! The media barely covers them and seat fillers give a nice illusion that all is harmonious and well in the convention hall.
bjmack83
(1 post)You don't think people who had there vote stolen in a rigged primary have reason to be upset. This who process was the biggest fruad in American history. The votes of millions of people including REGISTERED DEMOCRATS, and many first time voters was for nothing as the party elites decided who they wanted before the first vote was cast. The emails proved it, and these protestors are sure not republicans, they are democrats who the neo liberal party elites have forgot about.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)didn't say that much when Pres. O was speaking, unless the troublemakers got booted out already.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)davidn3600
(6,342 posts)...unless you disagree with the first amendment, the people outside have a right to be there.
You do understand this is still a democracy, right?
melman
(7,681 posts)Not the OP, that's for sure. The name of the game is attention and rec's, that's all that matters.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"unless you disagree with the first amendment, the people outside have a right to be there..."
I fail to see how an OP on a message board denies anyone their right to be there. That the OP is in fact, a practical use and accurate illustration of that same first amendment you invoked.
"You do understand this is still a democracy, right?"
heaven05
(18,124 posts)and has to be all the way into November.
Fla Dem
(23,716 posts)But, seriously, folks, chill. brooklynite's got this.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2316333
Gothmog
(145,433 posts)This kid is pissing off dveryone and may have his credentials pulled
JCanete
(5,272 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)If they can't see the extremely obvious differences between the two major candidates, they're imbeciles and I have no time for imbeciles. I learned that lesson with nader and his merry band of morons.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)The Polack MSgt
(13,191 posts)But I can't get too worked up about what seems to be 10% or less of Senator Sanders' supporters.
Yeah they need to shut up - and disrupting Rep. Cummings was a classless move that foolishly displays the level of privilege that they deny so angrily when it gets pointed out... All true Bravenak, all true, no argument.
Here is what I worry about though - If we look back on this election and Sanders supporters are seen as an obstacle not an asset, the Democratic party will lose an opportunity to get younger, more energized and more solidly liberal.
I'm not advocating that we kiss their pampered asses, just that we don't make these loud assholes the symbol of all the new Democrats that Bernie brought into the tent.
posted this on day 1 of the convention
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512296493
KPN
(15,647 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Nobody is protesting "the convention".
Protesting failed policies such as endless war in the Middle East, yes.
crim son
(27,464 posts)despite the sad lack of character displayed by some of her supporters.
Lyric
(12,675 posts)The asshole river flows both ways.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)dembotoz
(16,812 posts)and where do i pick up my copy of your dem purity test????
is it hard copy or must i take it online?
if i flunk your test can i get my contributions refunded? would not want to taint ya know
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I don't think a mere OP simply expressing an opinion is indicative of god-hood, regardless of whether you revived an imaginary memo or not.
dembotoz
(16,812 posts)but the purge mentality is so delightful
rladdi
(581 posts)that you cannot win everything. As kids, their parents have given them everything, not wanting for nothing. They have all the electronic toys. cars, other basic items. But really lack a good education. Our education is a failure as well as the parents. Parents don't raise kids anymore, they raise themselves, Cry and get what they want. The excuses they have given for not supporting Clinton, shows they have never listened to her. 3 young females interviewed Tuesday night was ignorant about Clinton and her policies. They have never listened to Clinton, but they say he doesn't support their views. Sometimes not all views are supported. That is America, that is Democracy, that is freedom, we have views, we have wants, but NOT always do we get all of those.
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Lunabell
(6,103 posts)We can't just kick them out of the party because YOU disagree with them. There are some legitimate problems that need to be fixed and sweeping or shoving it under the rug won't fix it!
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)An irony being that the very same people telling us that your OP is denying the protesters their right to free speech are guilty of precisely the same thing vis-a-vis you.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)stupidicus
(2,570 posts)you know, like those that resent dissent and whine about it from the relative safety of pixelworld
And this is particularly true when you consider that their heavy in person involvement/investment that got them there justifies their dissent in principle and practice, and that censorship is for authoritarians.
What other privileges do you want besides shutting them up/booting them out, and why do you think your effort here deserves any better a descriptions/characterizations than you applied to them?
MasonDreams
(756 posts)what about green lives ?? do they matter???
Have you served in the military?
Efforts to save the lives of our troops are worthwhile.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)If you vote for Greens or indepedents in the ge you are merely a trump helper
MasonDreams
(756 posts)I simply oppose the bloodier portions of her stated foreign policy. In my opinion, some changes will get her more votes and save lives. I am not the only one.
demwing
(16,916 posts)check yourself
Condescenturion
(6 posts)Even though Hillary adopted Bernie's platform.
Side note: voting for Hillary.
cpwm17
(3,829 posts)Oh that's right, the center of the Universe.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)I have no influence either way.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)My babying them would merely be to ignore it or justify them acting stupid
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)wyldwolf
(43,868 posts)For 15 years I've been on DU, often very active and sometimes not, but I've been consistent in my belief that the left fringe of the Democratic party/movement/progressive realm are simply and willfully naive fundamentalists. It isn't their ideas that are the issue, it's their behavior, their 'more progressive than thou' attitudes, all the while lacking fundamental 8th grade American civics knowledge.
Oh, they've behaved this way before. '36, '48, '60, '68, '72, '80, 2000....
In a 1935 letter to the DNC addressing the heavy criticism her husband was getting from the left, Eleanor Roosevelt wrote: "The ups and downs in peoples feelings, particularly on the liberal side, are an old, old story. The liberals always get discouraged when they do not see the measures they are interested in go through immediately. Considering the time we have had to work in the past for almost every slight improvement, I should think they might get over with it, but they never do."
1948 should have settled the absurd notion that "progressives" were the real base of the part when the third party run of Henry Wallace resulted in an popular vote and electoral rout.
I agree with you. I'd rather woo disaffected Republicans or spend an election cycle of two in the political wilderness than put up with these kids.
15 years on DU reading tirades and threats of "progressive" revolution fizzled out this week with whimpers and farts.
DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)Demsrule86
(68,625 posts)I agree completely. They stepped on Bernie Sanders, and honestly he deserved better from them. I still say they are not Bernie supporters. This shows how much the movement meant to them...just a game like looking for Pokemon.