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bravenak

(34,648 posts)
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:07 PM Jul 2016

I refuse to baby these grown ass idiots protesting our convention

Time to kick them out and finish our party. These are not really democrats. These are busters and soon to be Trump voters who would rather let Trump win as revenge for them not getting their way and being outvoted. News flash! You ain't doing nothing but making yourselves look irrelevant, privileged, angry, stupid, ignorant, loud, uninformed, pathetic, ridiculous, and nobody is going to join you in your obsolescence just because you get loud and start frothing at the mouth.

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I refuse to baby these grown ass idiots protesting our convention (Original Post) bravenak Jul 2016 OP
+1000. They should have had their credentials stripped. Metric System Jul 2016 #1
Hell yes. bravenak Jul 2016 #2
How old are you? Awknid Jul 2016 #279
I keep reading 'you guys aren't helping' for unity.. one_voice Jul 2016 #281
"Our convention" luxmatic Jul 2016 #286
If Trump wins it won't be because of these people.90% of Bernie supporters are voting for Hillary bjobotts Jul 2016 #154
protest on their own dime not the DNC's. also they drawn out a speaker denying someone DLCWIdem Jul 2016 #184
It is my dime. Protest people! grahamhgreen Jul 2016 #241
the DNC dime to get our candidate off to a good start and for that purpose DLCWIdem Jul 2016 #302
They are inside the Democratic National Convention. This is not the place or the time. Hekate Jul 2016 #198
OK, I gotta ask. In what specific way is their party not hearing them? Midnight Writer Jul 2016 #206
You obviously didn't read the wikileaks bfealk Jul 2016 #267
Amen to that! dirtydickcheney Jul 2016 #268
I'm a Bernie supporter and I basically agree democrattotheend Jul 2016 #3
I want closed primaries now in all states with party registration and an end to caucuses. Period. bravenak Jul 2016 #5
I bet many of them are registered Democrats from closed primary states democrattotheend Jul 2016 #11
Bet not, but we'll never know. But Brave's sentiment is there - I only want DEMOCRATS.... George II Jul 2016 #126
Actually, the "no more war" chanting was started by delegates from a closed primary state democrattotheend Jul 2016 #128
How about THIS chant? George II Jul 2016 #138
I'm with Joy Hekate Jul 2016 #202
She's been on fire the last few days. George II Jul 2016 #219
She's the only one on MSNBC leftynyc Jul 2016 #232
I hope they understand, too, that it's mighty counterproductive. calimary Jul 2016 #278
how about this chant back atem heaven05 Jul 2016 #221
An undemocratic caucus state Gothmog Jul 2016 #229
Oregon is a primary state. A closed primary. democrattotheend Jul 2016 #234
They were California delegates who started it, a semi-closed state allowing unaffiliated voters.... George II Jul 2016 #245
No, according to TPM, the Oregon delegate started the "no more wars" chant democrattotheend Jul 2016 #249
Not a bad chant! goldent Jul 2016 #277
well then if you remember there was a huge uptick in dem registrations that last month DLCWIdem Jul 2016 #303
You can't have it both ways democrattotheend Jul 2016 #311
my point is that it was all those young uns who only wanted Sanders and were not really interested DLCWIdem Jul 2016 #312
+1000 livetohike Jul 2016 #12
Sadly Turin_C3PO Jul 2016 #31
If he gets 86'd he can brag to his buddies bravenak Jul 2016 #38
I want everybody to be just like me. But never disagree or protest what I demand or you can just l bjobotts Jul 2016 #155
Lol didn't say that at all. Turin_C3PO Jul 2016 #158
Sorry, no body said that. emulatorloo Jul 2016 #192
Goodness, your projections are running wild tonight Hekate Jul 2016 #204
+1 Haveadream Jul 2016 #211
Yes. I was willing to see a change before all these desruptions. procon Jul 2016 #71
If they had acted normal I would have relented. Now? Oh no! Bye, felicia! bravenak Jul 2016 #81
I agree too. It's over. Move the hell on. Nothing good is coming from their tantrums. floriduck Jul 2016 #65
Exactly floriduck mcar Jul 2016 #70
unless you are a republican or republican troll DonRedwood Jul 2016 #246
So these demonstrators are Republicans? Maybe some are. But many are not. floriduck Jul 2016 #270
I wonder how many people who sent them to the convention as representives of their lapucelle Jul 2016 #255
That's certainly how I feel democrattotheend Jul 2016 #258
Bet their Parents work for Corporations..... FrenchieCat Jul 2016 #4
I bet you are absolutely right bravenak Jul 2016 #8
Bet they were the same ones who walked out as FrenchieCat Jul 2016 #16
If it aint about them it dont matter bravenak Jul 2016 #21
They truly believe if they were in charge, everything would be peachy keen..... FrenchieCat Jul 2016 #27
If they were in charge it would turn out to be hard work and dare I say it compromise. smh Hekate Jul 2016 #208
You got it in one sentence, brave mcar Jul 2016 #79
Geez you people are making a lot of assumptions as to character and motivation. Goober talk bjobotts Jul 2016 #156
Nope! bravenak Jul 2016 #157
"From the national review" lancer78 Jul 2016 #212
When someone tells you what they are -- believe them. They showed us. Hekate Jul 2016 #209
Racist brats. Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #264
HEY! I'm an iPhone Apple Computer User.... Moonwalk Jul 2016 #107
You misread my post.... FrenchieCat Jul 2016 #112
My apologies. So when you said "Bunch of Iphone Apple computer using self entitled hypocrites!" Moonwalk Jul 2016 #124
Apple Corp refused to participate in the RNC( provide service etc) Person 2713 Jul 2016 #137
growing up their parents recited limbaugh's attacks on hillary around certainot Jul 2016 #238
^^^ THIS ^^^ Tarheel_Dem Jul 2016 #282
K&R! DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #6
They better cut that shit out bravenak Jul 2016 #22
Agreed! DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #24
As they used to say in my neighborhood, they need their asses whupped! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2016 #7
They really do. bravenak Jul 2016 #10
... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #14
yeh. Corporal punishment is always the right way to go. HERVEPA Jul 2016 #127
Sorry, and anyone who wants can condemn me, but I'm ready for a little ass whup diplomacy. NBachers Jul 2016 #167
Time to grow up... unitedwethrive Jul 2016 #239
They should be gone.. they've made their point how self-absorbed they are. Cha Jul 2016 #9
Yes. Why the fuck they want to stick around, I do not understand. bravenak Jul 2016 #13
They want to get their ignorant rage out.. they're mad @ Dems and they're Cha Jul 2016 #20
For attention, and to make us look bad. nt Jamaal510 Jul 2016 #214
They plan to disrupt Kaine MFM008 Jul 2016 #15
Yes!!! Time to DRAG them out bravenak Jul 2016 #18
I've been doing some research on some of his delegates Haveadream Jul 2016 #17
Sarandon types bravenak Jul 2016 #19
Exactly.. self-absorbed assholes. Cha Jul 2016 #25
I want them gone so bad bravenak Jul 2016 #28
They're addicted to the attention... sarae Jul 2016 #48
Oh, yeah.. the attention and the ignorant rage. Cha Jul 2016 #53
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #159
They're #I'mwithnina self-absorbed assholes. We Are for the People. Cha Jul 2016 #177
Damn that well-education! Hissyspit Jul 2016 #29
I should rephrase that Haveadream Jul 2016 #55
You do know that you described many of the student leaders of the 60s just then? jtuck004 Jul 2016 #132
The point is that their actions are putting the underprivileged at risk Haveadream Jul 2016 #170
yes and do you think those same students leaders would haved booed through a civil rights DLCWIdem Jul 2016 #196
Welll, the civil rights "icons" were being made then, so no. But they sure took on jtuck004 Jul 2016 #197
I mean would they have booed the ones that were just like them who trail blazed paths DLCWIdem Jul 2016 #201
oh by the way I'm sure there were classless student protesters of old, as well. DLCWIdem Jul 2016 #205
I think people look way better through the distance of time. Had you been there you jtuck004 Jul 2016 #215
Yep, and the more they remain the same Haveadream Jul 2016 #207
That what? Bobbie Jo Jul 2016 #58
My earlier post re: BoB delegates shouting Haveadream Jul 2016 #67
I see Bobbie Jo Jul 2016 #78
No, it didn't Haveadream Jul 2016 #92
Well-educated doesn't make sense? Ben Carson was a brain surgeon... Moonwalk Jul 2016 #111
No Bobbie Jo Jul 2016 #115
Yeah cannabis_flower Jul 2016 #147
Actually not if, by well-educated, we mean.... Moonwalk Jul 2016 #176
what a surprise... sarae Jul 2016 #34
sickening ain't it? DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #105
Well they look like idiots ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #23
I can't even hear what they are screaming bravenak Jul 2016 #26
"No more war" Hissyspit Jul 2016 #30
Horrible that they never scream it at D Trump bravenak Jul 2016 #33
There were protesters at Trump rallies. Hissyspit Jul 2016 #39
Why were they not at the war convention, the RNC convention? bravenak Jul 2016 #47
They hate Hillary and they hate Democrats ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #61
True that. bravenak Jul 2016 #68
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #160
Everyone else shouldn't be forced to put up with their temper tantrums. procon Jul 2016 #186
I don't understand your post ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #190
Ooo, name names why don't you. Don't hold yourself back. Hekate Jul 2016 #217
Code Pink was at the RNC. n/t xocet Jul 2016 #188
Is there a new one started I don't know about? ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #60
Yes mcar Jul 2016 #74
Ban them before tomorrow night rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #32
Yes yes yes bravenak Jul 2016 #36
How do you determine who to ban? democrattotheend Jul 2016 #75
You look at video rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #77
You got to know these green freaks are just waiting for Hillary's speech workinclasszero Jul 2016 #213
It's those damn NPR listeners. lostnfound Jul 2016 #35
Thank God those people will never be in charge of national security bluestateguy Jul 2016 #37
Fucking shit I honestly agree with you bravenak Jul 2016 #41
Hell, I agree with you and I'm very much a pacifist. kestrel91316 Jul 2016 #59
They are shameless POS workinclasszero Jul 2016 #40
Msnbc is a sad place the way they keep pumping this shit up bravenak Jul 2016 #42
Those creeps! workinclasszero Jul 2016 #44
These people can improve the process for the next election IronLionZion Jul 2016 #43
I don't think they want to do the work it take to effect changes bravenak Jul 2016 #49
I agree 100% Third Doctor Jul 2016 #73
Throw them out Johnny2X2X Jul 2016 #45
Yes bravenak Jul 2016 #50
I can't imagine that they believe this somehow makes a point for Bernie... world wide wally Jul 2016 #46
They threw Bernie under the bus a while ago workinclasszero Jul 2016 #51
They reflect terribly on him as I always knew they would bravenak Jul 2016 #52
it was always about THEM Skittles Jul 2016 #54
They're just farts in the wind misterhighwasted Jul 2016 #56
I think they gave up on the fart in bravenak Jul 2016 #89
Bravenak. misterhighwasted Jul 2016 #135
I'm a dork bravenak Jul 2016 #139
Big time! workinclasszero Jul 2016 #210
... In_The_Wind Jul 2016 #266
What gets me is everyone making excuses for them. Basic LA Jul 2016 #57
True. But at this point? Even if they were bernie supporters they sure aint supporting him now bravenak Jul 2016 #62
Bernie told them not to do that workinclasszero Jul 2016 #72
They sure are showing their support of him aren't they DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #110
they need to put that tape back over their mouths rbrnmw Jul 2016 #63
Please. They act like we force them to come and they are our hostages bravenak Jul 2016 #82
they will act a fool when Tim Kaine comes out rbrnmw Jul 2016 #88
They better stop this shit bravenak Jul 2016 #91
Righteous! Teach! n/t dobleremolque Jul 2016 #64
They were awful tonight mcar Jul 2016 #66
Democracy. They are actually protesting fucking democracy. Wow bravenak Jul 2016 #84
SMH mcar Jul 2016 #90
they're protesting being LOSERS Skittles Jul 2016 #131
Your whole OP you could be talking about yourself LiberalLovinLug Jul 2016 #69
Bullshit bravenak Jul 2016 #85
+1,000 Vattel Jul 2016 #122
I agree with you too Coolest Ranger Jul 2016 #76
We both know they never wanted unity with us bravenak Jul 2016 #87
KICK.. and yes, they're Assholes. Cha Jul 2016 #80
Democrats saying "no more war", seems pretty glowing Jul 2016 #83
I bet they wont say it at the war party convention, the RNC bravenak Jul 2016 #86
But are they reallly protesting war? or are protesting Nina Turner and losing? DLCWIdem Jul 2016 #95
War... "No more War" pretty much says it. glowing Jul 2016 #180
While he's attacking the Republican nominee? lapucelle Jul 2016 #260
They have legitimate complaints. OKDem08 Jul 2016 #93
Yeah i read them. Ho hum. Yawn. bravenak Jul 2016 #94
You are engaging with them. SalviaBlue Jul 2016 #96
They drowned out the speaker bravenak Jul 2016 #100
No. Watch CSPAN... and don't feed their fire unless you want it to keep burning. SalviaBlue Jul 2016 #104
I'm calling them out so they don't set the narritive bravenak Jul 2016 #108
You're going low. SalviaBlue Jul 2016 #116
Don't worry about my low self bravenak Jul 2016 #120
here's the twitter handle of one of them: ericson00 Jul 2016 #97
Don't give him any attention IamTheNoodle Jul 2016 #109
I didn't give him attention; ericson00 Jul 2016 #113
What an ass. nt sufrommich Jul 2016 #130
Yep bravenak Jul 2016 #165
Let me see if I have this right. HeartoftheMidwest Jul 2016 #98
Um HAI? I am a damn millennial. Thx bravenak Jul 2016 #101
Addendum: HeartoftheMidwest Jul 2016 #103
This message was self-deleted by its author shadowandblossom Jul 2016 #166
I'm sure your sweet words and gentle demeanor are winnin' 'em over EvolveOrConvolve Jul 2016 #99
Oh well that is totally different because reasons. PoutrageFatigue Jul 2016 #117
Defending someone who's posted some nasty anti-semitic shit? EvolveOrConvolve Jul 2016 #150
REALLY heaven05 Jul 2016 #222
"All this sniping bullshit"....did you read the OP? PoutrageFatigue Jul 2016 #242
difference between being shot and murdered or losing. Quite a difference DLCWIdem Jul 2016 #305
If they are still so aggrieved by the third night, they need to pack it Ilsa Jul 2016 #102
I agree bravenak Jul 2016 #106
^^^This!!! DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #114
I gave them a near-pass for earlier. Ilsa Jul 2016 #118
It's their convention as well /nt demwing Jul 2016 #271
And they are an embarrassment to the rest of us Bernie supporters. NT Ilsa Jul 2016 #283
no one speaks for all demwing Jul 2016 #287
get over it wallyworld2 Jul 2016 #119
No. I wont get over it. I will discuss how stupid they look bravenak Jul 2016 #121
"Show a little class, let them be frustrated for a while." Vice President Joe Biden Hissyspit Jul 2016 #123
No bravenak Jul 2016 #125
Of course. Hissyspit Jul 2016 #133
They had their little temper tantrums, now is the time to grow up and act like adults.... George II Jul 2016 #129
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #142
towing the line wallyworld2 Jul 2016 #144
Umm hmm bravenak Jul 2016 #145
No more and no less a part of the process than criticizing their actions LanternWaste Jul 2016 #250
I'm ok to a point Lithos Jul 2016 #134
They are NOT Democrats and they are NOT Bernie supporters, if they gave a shit about him Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #136
Jumping up and down and shitting in their own pants isn't going to achieve jack... Nt Sheepshank Jul 2016 #140
Seriously. bravenak Jul 2016 #146
I refuse to baby these grown ass idiots protesting our convention AlbertCat Jul 2016 #141
I see you enjoy my ops. Thanks bravenak Jul 2016 #152
I see you enjoy my ops. AlbertCat Jul 2016 #169
For me too bravenak Jul 2016 #173
Maybe, and I mean just maybe, cliffordu Jul 2016 #143
They do want my babying and they wont get it bravenak Jul 2016 #151
Babies like this protested Humphrey and gave us NIXON Haveadream Jul 2016 #223
Anyone who thinks Democrats are worse than Republicans is brainwashed or an idiot. betsuni Jul 2016 #148
Yep. Ugly Americans bravenak Jul 2016 #149
"We all need to be as vocal and as organized as Bernie Sanders's supporters have been" riderinthestorm Jul 2016 #153
Finally a voice of reason and deliberation.. Thanks ridin bjobotts Jul 2016 #161
"We all need to be as vocal and as organized as Bernie Sanders's supporters have been" Arazi Jul 2016 #162
Obama is not giving his blessing to jerks shouting down Dem speakers. SunSeeker Jul 2016 #172
Lol, that's just what Obama said: "shameful and unproductive" Arazi Jul 2016 #174
No. You are dissing our President by suggesting he approves of jerks shutting down Dem speakers. SunSeeker Jul 2016 #179
I take him at his word. I believe him when he says something Arazi Jul 2016 #182
‘Don’t Boo, Vote’ - Obama, 7-27-16 SunSeeker Jul 2016 #187
You really think he was referring to the hecklers? ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #224
O said don't Boo Vote. DLCWIdem Jul 2016 #306
Obama was not referring to shouting down Dem speakers at the DNC. SunSeeker Jul 2016 #175
I Hate To Break It To You Folks Yallow Jul 2016 #163
Yeah, bullshit bravenak Jul 2016 #168
How Do You Know Where "They" Lived Yallow Jul 2016 #181
Which is different than "Now go on pretending your protests really matters" precisely how LanternWaste Jul 2016 #252
Keep up the fight but aim your anger at Republicans. SunSeeker Jul 2016 #171
So They Should Protest At The North Pole? Yallow Jul 2016 #178
No. Protest without shutting down speakers at our convention. SunSeeker Jul 2016 #183
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #189
Protesting is hard work, often without air conditioning. Sad news for spoiled brats. nt SunSeeker Jul 2016 #193
I find it rather illustrative that you pretend anyone who disagrees with your position... LanternWaste Jul 2016 #253
Jimmy Carter endorsed Hillary and urges all to vote for her! He was invited and spoke. Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #263
Another Thought Yallow Jul 2016 #194
You are making shit up. Hillary opposes TPP. nt SunSeeker Jul 2016 #195
Actually, she was for it and touted it as "Gold Standard" until Sanders had traction Jackilope Jul 2016 #228
She was not talking about the current TPP terms. You are pushing Trump talking points. SunSeeker Jul 2016 #254
Why are delegates told they will be stripped of credentials if Jackilope Jul 2016 #262
Many of those delegates have been acting like assholes and disruptive shit-stains. Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #265
I imagine because such a protest implies she supports TPP. SunSeeker Jul 2016 #274
There is grave and legitimate concern. Jackilope Jul 2016 #288
Your grave concern is duly noted, Jackilope. nt SunSeeker Jul 2016 #290
So much for trying to drag this party back to its populist roots... raindaddy Jul 2016 #280
Well, there were cheers and applauding for Reagan last night. Jackilope Jul 2016 #289
lelt me get this straight DLCWIdem Jul 2016 #307
K & R SunSeeker Jul 2016 #164
You sure let them get under your skin... MellowDem Jul 2016 #185
Thank You Yallow Jul 2016 #191
The more I see them, the less I worry about them. backscatter712 Jul 2016 #199
These are Democratic convention delegates. Representative of 45% of our party riderinthestorm Jul 2016 #200
+1 Jackilope Jul 2016 #236
convention protestors bjmack83 Jul 2016 #203
I'm surprised they Jamaal510 Jul 2016 #216
They knewxbetter. He would just embarass them bravenak Jul 2016 #293
Are you talking about the protesters outside? or inside? davidn3600 Jul 2016 #218
Who cares? melman Jul 2016 #233
I fail to see how an OP on a message board denies anyone their right to be there. LanternWaste Jul 2016 #256
tell it like it is heaven05 Jul 2016 #220
This is what happens when you don't have closed primaries. Fla Dem Jul 2016 #225
. merrily Jul 2016 #226
I rode back on the bus with a clinton delegate who may kill a sanders idiot Gothmog Jul 2016 #227
LOL bravenak Jul 2016 #300
that's a real surprise. you've usually been such a measured and thoughtful voice. nt JCanete Jul 2016 #230
I've been tired of their shit for months leftynyc Jul 2016 #231
I Know. This has been long. Glad we are still beating Trump Even for these idiots bravenak Jul 2016 #298
I agree it's past time for them to settle down The Polack MSgt Jul 2016 #235
So you disagree with our President? KPN Jul 2016 #237
Are you name calling? Are you calling me a grown ass idiot? grahamhgreen Jul 2016 #240
And I will hold my nose and vote for Hillary crim son Jul 2016 #243
But without calling out the sad lack of character on the other side. Lyric Jul 2016 #285
You're being ridiculous! One of the 99 Jul 2016 #309
i must have missed the memo....who died and made you god? dembotoz Jul 2016 #244
I don't think a mere OP simply expressing an opinion is indicative of god-hood LanternWaste Jul 2016 #259
ah contrary....the op professes to be holier than me anyway....prob not hard to do dembotoz Jul 2016 #275
These are the uneducated, non political young. They have NO clue about how politics works. No Clue rladdi Jul 2016 #247
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #248
I call bullshit Lunabell Jul 2016 #251
An irony being that the very same people telling us that your OP is denying the protesters LanternWaste Jul 2016 #257
I Noticed that bravenak Jul 2016 #296
they have a knack for brave actions others lack stupidicus Jul 2016 #261
please dont call me a trump voter MasonDreams Jul 2016 #269
If you vote for Trump you are a Trump voter bravenak Jul 2016 #297
I am, of course, voting for Clinton. MasonDreams Jul 2016 #304
Authoritarians vote for Trump demwing Jul 2016 #272
Ironic Condescenturion Jul 2016 #273
And you are who? cpwm17 Jul 2016 #276
I am just about as significant as you and those idiots I Referred to bravenak Jul 2016 #295
Are you in a position to baby them? ZombieHorde Jul 2016 #284
Yeah. We could all baby them and tell them how super they are and give them everything they want bravenak Jul 2016 #294
Do you know who they are? nt ZombieHorde Jul 2016 #301
Hear, hear! smirkymonkey Jul 2016 #291
15 years wyldwolf Jul 2016 #292
+1 bravenak Jul 2016 #299
please, please will you give information came from? DLCWIdem Jul 2016 #308
Hi Bravenak Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #310
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
2. Hell yes.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:10 PM
Jul 2016

Those muthafuckers bet not interrupt Joe or O or Hill. I will scream so loud, I am finally outraged

Awknid

(381 posts)
279. How old are you?
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:29 PM
Jul 2016

Do you hear yourself? Do any of you posters hear yourselves? I've never imagined the party to be so divided. You guys are not helping that!!!

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
281. I keep reading 'you guys aren't helping' for unity..
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:42 PM
Jul 2016

Could someone please tell me exactly how we can help.

Anything said about BoB's or ignorant protestors (there's a difference) gets 'you're not helping'

It seems to me that the **some** of the Bernie supporters what the rights to say & do whatever they want & everyone is supposed to sit quietly. How far are we supposed to bend while people shit all over the convention. Every night they've disrupted. EVERY NIGHT. To the point you couldn't hear some of the speakers.

Do any of you posters hear yourself? The constant threat/blackmail of not voting is getting old. Kinda like how you guys say YOU don't want to be blackmailed with fear of Trump.

I don't think anyone is saying is not ok to protest. After all that's how progress is made. However, there has to be some kind of respect for the other people.


luxmatic

(31 posts)
286. "Our convention"
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:30 PM
Jul 2016

Pretty sure there's a misunderstanding around who, exactly, owns the convention. Hint: the entire party, not just those who win.

 

bjobotts

(9,141 posts)
154. If Trump wins it won't be because of these people.90% of Bernie supporters are voting for Hillary
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:34 PM
Jul 2016

according to MSNBC. You want to get rid of protesters when you disagree with them? That's what republican fascists do. They have the right to do what they are doing and you have the right ignore them rather than demand they not exist.
They don't feel their party is hearing them and to a certain extent they are right.."They should have their credentials stripped". This is what democracy looks like so take a pill.

DLCWIdem

(1,580 posts)
184. protest on their own dime not the DNC's. also they drawn out a speaker denying someone
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:23 AM
Jul 2016

Else's rights.

Hekate

(90,755 posts)
198. They are inside the Democratic National Convention. This is not the place or the time.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:49 AM
Jul 2016

They are behaving like rude spoiled brats having a tantrum in public to embarrass mommy and daddy for enforcing bedtime.

Midnight Writer

(21,778 posts)
206. OK, I gotta ask. In what specific way is their party not hearing them?
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:02 AM
Jul 2016

Maybe you can enlighten me, because I see every speaker giving a shout out to the Bernies. I see a party platform that has changed to please the Bernies. Every one from Uncle Joe, Tim Kaine, Obama, has specifically praised Bernie and said "I hear you".

Bernie supporters even got to cast their Bernie votes on the convention floor. I have never seen that before.

I have not seen a single shouting, booing, jeering Bernie supporter removed or chastised from the floor, even when the speaker was interrupted. In fact, I turned off my damn TV in disgust when I saw Bernie himself being shouted down and jeered by his own supporters.

Tell me, please, what deal, compromise, policy, subjugation is required here to let the Sanders supporters know that they are being heard?

Short of giving him the nomination that he lost through the primary process by over three million votes.

bfealk

(477 posts)
267. You obviously didn't read the wikileaks
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 04:13 PM
Jul 2016

e-mails.

Even though Bernie said Hillary won fair and square, we now know that just wasn't true. The DNC had their thumb on the scale the entire time.

If Hillary loses, it won't be because of Bernie supporters, it will be because Hillary is a flawed candidate with very high unfavorables and lack of trust numbers and no central theme to her campaign.

 

dirtydickcheney

(242 posts)
268. Amen to that!
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 05:16 PM
Jul 2016

It'll "all be Bernie supporters fault!!"

What a complete lark!


If HRC loses it'll be on account of her negatives and the DNC rigging the election with one of the least trusted candidates in history.

Not due to Bernie. He actually has Republicans that like him.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
3. I'm a Bernie supporter and I basically agree
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:13 PM
Jul 2016

They do us all a disservice by making it likely that the party will be more restrictive in terms of who can be a delegate in the future.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
5. I want closed primaries now in all states with party registration and an end to caucuses. Period.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:15 PM
Jul 2016

After this? Fuck that, no more 'independents' need apply, join or not. But no more repubs and indys in our party

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
11. I bet many of them are registered Democrats from closed primary states
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:17 PM
Jul 2016

I really don't think closed primaries will accomplish what you think it will.

George II

(67,782 posts)
126. Bet not, but we'll never know. But Brave's sentiment is there - I only want DEMOCRATS....
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:45 PM
Jul 2016

....choosing MY candidate.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
128. Actually, the "no more war" chanting was started by delegates from a closed primary state
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:46 PM
Jul 2016

I read on TPM that it was started by the Oregon delegation. Oregon is a closed primary state, which means only registered Democrats can run for delegate and vote in the primary.

George II

(67,782 posts)
138. How about THIS chant?
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:00 PM
Jul 2016

Joy Reid:

"Sorry, but that was shameful. Chanting "lies" while Leon Panetta was making the case against Trump inviting a Russian cyber attack? Fail."

Hekate

(90,755 posts)
202. I'm with Joy
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:57 AM
Jul 2016

They were determined to heckle him regardless of what he said, even if it made them look stupid.

calimary

(81,383 posts)
278. I hope they understand, too, that it's mighty counterproductive.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:28 PM
Jul 2016

All it's gonna do, for most people, is alienate them from whatever cause or grievance is being shouted about. And when you heckle somebody like John Lewis or Elijah Cummings, who deserve NOTHING BUT respect, then you really lose your case. All you wind up doing is pissing people off, particularly those who really might agree with you. Guaranteed you'll lose a bunch of 'em.

I'm sorry. It's just not right. Yes these folks have the First Amendment. But sheesh - so do all the people who could yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater, who don't do so. For the same reason: because you just shouldn't.

Gothmog

(145,433 posts)
229. An undemocratic caucus state
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:45 AM
Jul 2016

I was to eliminate caucuses. Sanders got the bulk of his wins in undemocratic caucus states

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
234. Oregon is a primary state. A closed primary.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:56 AM
Jul 2016

Perhaps you are confusing it with Washington, which is a caucus state?

George II

(67,782 posts)
245. They were California delegates who started it, a semi-closed state allowing unaffiliated voters....
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:06 PM
Jul 2016

...and they were Sanders delegates.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
249. No, according to TPM, the Oregon delegate started the "no more wars" chant
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:30 PM
Jul 2016

In other words, registered Democrats in a closed primary state.

DLCWIdem

(1,580 posts)
303. well then if you remember there was a huge uptick in dem registrations that last month
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 03:49 AM
Jul 2016

What do you want to make a bet they left the party as soon as they voted in the primary.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
311. You can't have it both ways
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 04:30 PM
Jul 2016

You can't say that people can't participate unless they are registered Dems and then make it so you can't register.

DLCWIdem

(1,580 posts)
312. my point is that it was all those young uns who only wanted Sanders and were not really interested
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 04:49 PM
Jul 2016

In the Dems, and when he lost they were trying to force him even though he lost. If your not willing to accept a loss What good does that do?

Turin_C3PO

(14,016 posts)
31. Sadly
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:28 PM
Jul 2016

Some are Democrats. My eye doctor is a 48 democratic delegate and has radicalized these past few months and now is probably among the idiots disrupting.

 

bjobotts

(9,141 posts)
155. I want everybody to be just like me. But never disagree or protest what I demand or you can just l
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:41 PM
Jul 2016

leave. lol Shoot 'em. Lock 'em up. USA USA black lives matter but not single payer or renewable energy.or police brutality. It's a convention. Relax. No one is getting beat up or shot.

procon

(15,805 posts)
71. Yes. I was willing to see a change before all these desruptions.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:46 PM
Jul 2016

Now, there's no way I'd ever want to see an open primary that would allow these jerks to disrupt the proceedings like they have.

lapucelle

(18,296 posts)
255. I wonder how many people who sent them to the convention as representives of their
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:52 PM
Jul 2016

support of Bernie are thinking, "Hey, I wanted you in there, lobbying for Bernie's agenda, not outside burning flags. I didn't sign on for that."

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
258. That's certainly how I feel
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:57 PM
Jul 2016

The delegates I voted for, if they are part of the crowd heckling and burning flags, are not the kind of people I thought I was selecting to represent me. I would still vote for Bernie but I wish I had run for delegate and encouraged other more sane supporters to do the same.

FrenchieCat

(68,867 posts)
4. Bet their Parents work for Corporations.....
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:14 PM
Jul 2016

and that's where the money for their cushy upbringing came from.....
Parents just forgot to teach them anykind of manners!

Bunch of Iphone Apple computer using self entitled hypocrites!

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
8. I bet you are absolutely right
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:16 PM
Jul 2016

The wear their factory made corporate sold anti TPP shirts and act like they are the earths children.

FrenchieCat

(68,867 posts)
16. Bet they were the same ones who walked out as
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:20 PM
Jul 2016

the Mother's Movement walked onto the stage to tell their story.....

Bunch of clueless self centered Know-it-all spoiled ass brats!

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
157. Nope!
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:45 PM
Jul 2016
When a Black Lives Matter march arrived, tensions rose as they refused to unite the two protests. “This message is not gonna get drowned out. I will not allow it” one BLM protestor said, as he argued that the Bernie or Bust crowd only wanted to protest together to make their own movement look larger than it was, not to address racial injustice.

A group of Sanders supporters attempted to ease tensions with “we are in this together” chants that clashed with “hell no DNC we won’t vote for Hillary” screams.

“This is why we can’t do anything” a Sanders supporter said of BLM’s attempts to keep the two protests separate.

A BLM activist replied that he had joined the Bernie or Bust movement before, but that their “this is what democracy looks like” motto did not represent his demands as a black man. “I’ve been shot in the street. You wanna talk about that?” he asked the Berner.

From the national review

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
107. HEY! I'm an iPhone Apple Computer User....
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:23 PM
Jul 2016

And I hate these busters as much as you do, and I'm voting for Hillary, and I'm cheering on every speaker. Apple is a corporation that has had more than its share of shameful business practices--I won't excuse those, nor will I apologize for my choice...but are you really saying that Hillary/Bernie supporters only use Android phones and Sony computers? Because those aren't corporate and have sterling business practices?

And I'd like to point out, that I remember when "Occupy" protesters were "mocked" for being iPhone using Apple computer users. Funny how the other side mocks us Apple users for being left, while you mock us for being right...



Hate Apple if you like, there are plenty of reasons to...and I'm sure some of those Busters are Apple users. But Apple user = Buster? Why would you say that? What has a single Apple user ever done to you, outside of buying and using a certain smartphone and computer, that you would make such a hurtful assumption about all of us?

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
124. My apologies. So when you said "Bunch of Iphone Apple computer using self entitled hypocrites!"
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:44 PM
Jul 2016

...you didn't mean that the entitled children of corporate leaders who didn't teach them manners favor such devices? I mean, I didn't mean to misunderstand you, but that is how the post reads.

Let me ask you this, and maybe you'll see what I mean. If you were describing a group of big-hearted, charitable, courteous and decent people, would you ever say: "A group of iPhone Apple computer using honest, hard working souls"?

If not, then maybe you didn't quite see what you were saying with that extra description. "Self-entitled hypocrites" I understand. But I'm confused as to why you felt it important to point out what devices they have to be using, unless you presume that using such devices are part and parcel of being a self-entitled hypocrite.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
238. growing up their parents recited limbaugh's attacks on hillary around
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:35 AM
Jul 2016

the dinner table

and there are prob also a few lazy 'libertarians' who used to be republicans, maybe even a few trolls in there

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
13. Yes. Why the fuck they want to stick around, I do not understand.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:17 PM
Jul 2016

They hate us so much they can leave. But it might be hard to get attention without us.

Cha

(297,446 posts)
20. They want to get their ignorant rage out.. they're mad @ Dems and they're
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:24 PM
Jul 2016

not going to take it anymore.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
18. Yes!!! Time to DRAG them out
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:22 PM
Jul 2016

Fuck it. If theres going to be a disruption we can at least get rid of them

Haveadream

(1,630 posts)
17. I've been doing some research on some of his delegates
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:21 PM
Jul 2016

Particularly the ones who are saying they won't vote for Hillary.

Hugely well heeled, well educated, well employed, privileged beyond belief. Really.

Cha

(297,446 posts)
25. Exactly.. self-absorbed assholes.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:25 PM
Jul 2016

They need to get the fuck out of our Convention.

We're for the People.

Response to Cha (Reply #25)

Haveadream

(1,630 posts)
55. I should rephrase that
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:37 PM
Jul 2016

Incredibly privileged to attend top tier schools and have the opportunities that follow from that yet having learned absolutely nothing about the risk their recklessness will cause those who are not so fortunate. Unlike them, millions cannot withstand the damage Trump's regime will do. As for war, it is the least privileged TRUMP will send to the front lines to die, not the loud mouthed delegate weasels who are interrupting the leaders trying to prevent that disaster.

For people who have had the benefit of the best schools, they are incredibly stupid and self absorbed.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
132. You do know that you described many of the student leaders of the 60s just then?
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:54 PM
Jul 2016

Well heeled, well educated, white as hell... Not all, but many of the really influential ones, as I recall.

Had a few things to learn, as it turned out. But they had a much better start than many.

Anyway, they said all those bad things about them, us, back then, and more. But we did some good stuff too.

And look at what self-indulgent, selfish, short-sighted, and white as hell group a few turned out to be.

Glad it wasn't all of us.

Oh, and is Canada taking people who avoid a draft? I'll help.


Haveadream

(1,630 posts)
170. The point is that their actions are putting the underprivileged at risk
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:01 AM
Jul 2016

Minorities cannot withstand a Trump presidency. And, as far as protesting, his candidacy is our current Viet Nam. The anger is right but their target is wrong. If Trump wins, I will completely, unequivocally blame not only the Republicans but all the idiots on the left who aided and abetted that. Every death, every war, every loss of rights, every deportation, every police state escalation, every white supremacy militia, every shooting, all the kids who cannot afford to go to school, all the people who die for want of healthcare, the ruining of the planet, and on and on. They can own it because right now they should be doing everything they can to stop him but instead they are helping him win.

DLCWIdem

(1,580 posts)
196. yes and do you think those same students leaders would haved booed through a civil rights
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:40 AM
Jul 2016

Speech given a civil rights icon.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
197. Welll, the civil rights "icons" were being made then, so no. But they sure took on
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:45 AM
Jul 2016

all the other institutions, many of which were just as revered.

Times change.

DLCWIdem

(1,580 posts)
201. I mean would they have booed the ones that were just like them who trail blazed paths
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:55 AM
Jul 2016

It seems to me that these new protesters that the poster is trying to liken to the student activists of old seem to have no sense of history. In other words, IMO these new protesters don't have the class of the old. They had respect where these new kids don't. They're assholes plain and simple.

DLCWIdem

(1,580 posts)
205. oh by the way I'm sure there were classless student protesters of old, as well.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:00 AM
Jul 2016

I'm sure they probably grew up and voted for Reagan.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
215. I think people look way better through the distance of time. Had you been there you
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:14 AM
Jul 2016

might be more inclined to see them as people.

They all had their moments, faults, strengths.

We had protesters turn on each other, absolutely. There were people being killed, serious times. The person next to you might well be FBI feeding you a plan to blow something up.

Overall we had a lot more security, free time, hope to work with. You could get an education and a job at nearly any university for almost nothing. Today we are at the tail end of a financial theft, tens of millions of Americans falling off the cliff in various forms, 40 years of no longer investing in education, mental health, etc, aggressive wars we start with lies and a world that is beginning to really dislike what we are doing.

And when people want to talk to folks that should be on their side, they find them writing bills to send their jobs overseas, to cut their food stamps, to make the bank$ters that stole their homes richer. No help there, and certainly none from the fascists across the aisle.

I wouldn't be surprised if they interrupted Jesus.

So they are scared, trying to figure things out. I wouldn't say no class, I would say untrained, and facing things they weren't prepared for. (There likely are some disruptions, but this isn't about them). There are people who care very deeply, but see the people around them screwing a lot of people while talking practicality, a lot of their neighbors hurting, and excuses where there should be relief.

We had the benefit of thousands of people teaching each other to see each other as people, to look a little higher. , and opening our minds to a lot of new things. People just flopped down and started blowing a joint and talking.

And while the talking went on, we didn't fight.


Haveadream

(1,630 posts)
207. Yep, and the more they remain the same
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:02 AM
Jul 2016

They also protested Humphrey so much the country ended up with Nixon and more Viet Nam. I hope these dopes will use their awesome internet research power to see how well that turned out.


Haveadream

(1,630 posts)
67. My earlier post re: BoB delegates shouting
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:44 PM
Jul 2016
17. I've been doing some research on some of his delegates

Particularly the ones who are saying they won't vote for Hillary.

Hugely well heeled, well educated, well employed, privileged beyond belief. Really.

Haveadream

(1,630 posts)
92. No, it didn't
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:04 PM
Jul 2016

I don't know what Hissyspit means by "well-education". Vernacular for "ignorant" I suspect.

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
111. Well-educated doesn't make sense? Ben Carson was a brain surgeon...
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:27 PM
Jul 2016

A top education doesn't guarantee a rational mind. Nor does it guarantee that you're have a good heart, or the ability to emphasize or care. There's some very smart narcissists.

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
176. Actually not if, by well-educated, we mean....
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:11 AM
Jul 2016

...top schools, broad curriculum (math, foreign language, literature, music), and higher education like college and graduate school.

He was a good student at elementary level, but then he went into a school that focused on science, which he (notably) hated, he got poorer marks and, to quote from one site: "When he was 16 years old in 1905, he was no longer required to attend school. Of course, he had the option to go on to receive a higher education; but, he decided that he was done with schooling forever."

So, well-educated? He was educated. But he wasn't what we usually mean by that term. He didn't relish the education he got and seek to expand on it--he didn't even both self-educating himself as so many intelligent men/women do if they haven't the opportunity for a higher education.

But I kinda think that we're a bit off topic here. I don't think anyone is calling these Busters "Hitler." What we are saying is that they're the sort who are easily duped by a Hitler, and we usually like to think that those who are "well educated" know better and can see through such.

ismnotwasm

(41,998 posts)
23. Well they look like idiots
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:24 PM
Jul 2016

Whatever point they are attempting is lost in the basic fact of their idiocy.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
47. Why were they not at the war convention, the RNC convention?
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:34 PM
Jul 2016

I know? Because they dont give a crap they just wnt to act out and get attention. They are too scared to do this shit at the RNC. Glad they are making themselves irrelevant as fuck with their hypocrisy.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
68. True that.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:44 PM
Jul 2016

I saw one who was just so pissed that they were acting like this convention was for Hillary. I have no clue wtf they thought a convention was.

Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #61)

procon

(15,805 posts)
186. Everyone else shouldn't be forced to put up with their temper tantrums.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:26 AM
Jul 2016

They should pay for their own arena to carry on with their screaming and yelling instead of trying to hijack the Democrat's nominating convention. Their disruptive behavior has created enough disgust and condemnation that they've done more harm to themselves than any sympathetic goodwill.

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
32. Ban them before tomorrow night
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:29 PM
Jul 2016

And in the future I think any delegate has to have actually been a registered democrat for at least three years.

Be a good rule for candidates too.

And closed primaries. We cannot be forced to digest the radical loony left. They're as poisonous to us as the birther far right is to the GOP.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
75. How do you determine who to ban?
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:48 PM
Jul 2016

Better to eject people seen disrupting tonight and yank their credentials. If you are talking about banning all Bernie delegates en masse I can't support you on that.

I don't like any of your proposed rules, especially the proposal about requiring people to be registered Democrats for three years. That would mean that nobody under the age of 21 could be a delegate, and it wouldn't work in states like Virginia that have no party registration at all.

I don't think closing the primaries would do much good. Do you really think that if Dennis Kucinich had won more delegates they would not have acted the same way?

I don't support what the disruptive delegates are doing, but you will never convince me that we would be better off if Bernie hadn't run and hadn't raised the issues he raised and inspired people and gotten people involved.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
213. You got to know these green freaks are just waiting for Hillary's speech
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:08 AM
Jul 2016

Revoke their credentials NOW DNC!

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
37. Thank God those people will never be in charge of national security
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:30 PM
Jul 2016

If there were ever a terrorist attack the first thing they'd want to do would be to pass out the name tags for a peace conference with ISIS.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
59. Hell, I agree with you and I'm very much a pacifist.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:41 PM
Jul 2016

I DO believe wholeheartedly in self defense, however. And not negotiating with terrorists.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
40. They are shameless POS
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:32 PM
Jul 2016

IMHO.

Bernie told those assholes not do that on the floor the other day.

This shit is on Jill Stein and the news media that encourages this behavior!

IronLionZion

(45,480 posts)
43. These people can improve the process for the next election
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:33 PM
Jul 2016

but anything less than supporting our nominees this election is just helping Trump.

Bernie gets it.

Many others are a little too privileged to care that real people will suffer if Democrats don't win big.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
49. I don't think they want to do the work it take to effect changes
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:35 PM
Jul 2016

They want an easy win or else they disrupt.

Third Doctor

(1,574 posts)
73. I agree 100%
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:47 PM
Jul 2016

The problems with the DNC can be ironed out later. We have a more urgent fight on our hands now. Trump cannot be allowed to win. These fools are shortsighted and selfish. If they are not actually voting Trump they might as well be.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
51. They threw Bernie under the bus a while ago
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:36 PM
Jul 2016

Just go to JPR to see the proof.

This crap is a Jill Stein/MSM production now!

 

Basic LA

(2,047 posts)
57. What gets me is everyone making excuses for them.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:40 PM
Jul 2016

I keep hearing, "Oh, they're not Bernie supporters. They're just agitators pretending to be." Yeah, and that wasn't the Japanese Navy that bombed Pearl Harbor, just agitators pretending to be.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
62. True. But at this point? Even if they were bernie supporters they sure aint supporting him now
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:42 PM
Jul 2016

He asked them to cut it out. I am trying not to blame him fully for these losers.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
72. Bernie told them not to do that
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:47 PM
Jul 2016

and they are doing it.

I don't see a "follower" in there do you?

Not to mention 90% of Bernie supporters are going to vote for Hillary.

These creeps are part of the 10% fringe.

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
110. They sure are showing their support of him aren't they
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:26 PM
Jul 2016

fucking assholes. He sent out emails AND texts saying not to do this, please. And this is how they respect him. Fuck that shit. That is NOT respectful.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
82. Please. They act like we force them to come and they are our hostages
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:53 PM
Jul 2016

I hope they just kick rocks

LiberalLovinLug

(14,175 posts)
69. Your whole OP you could be talking about yourself
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:44 PM
Jul 2016

My gawd the righteous anger is ridiculous. Shouting No More War to a corporate war hawk
It's a big tent. Just because the progressive candidate lost doesn't mean we all have to walk lockstep behind a man calling for a thirty year war.

Coolest Ranger

(2,034 posts)
76. I agree with you too
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:48 PM
Jul 2016

We are supposed to be uniting but these guys are making it hard to encourage them with behavior like this.

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
83. Democrats saying "no more war", seems pretty
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:53 PM
Jul 2016

Much a liberal item. I don't have a problem protesting Panetta.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
86. I bet they wont say it at the war party convention, the RNC
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:56 PM
Jul 2016

Because thats not wtf this was about.

DLCWIdem

(1,580 posts)
95. But are they reallly protesting war? or are protesting Nina Turner and losing?
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:14 PM
Jul 2016

Last edited Sun Jul 31, 2016, 04:03 AM - Edit history (1)

lapucelle

(18,296 posts)
260. While he's attacking the Republican nominee?
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 03:02 PM
Jul 2016

Protesters shout down E. Cummings, walk out on Mothers of the Movement, and heckle Panetta while he's berating Trump.

They're self-centered idiots.

OKDem08

(1,340 posts)
93. They have legitimate complaints.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:08 PM
Jul 2016

Have you read any DNC leak e-mails? It's not intellectually honest to disregard corruption within. Speaking the truth.

SalviaBlue

(2,917 posts)
96. You are engaging with them.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:14 PM
Jul 2016

Some people thrive on the drama.

I have no idea what they said. Watch C-Span. Just say no to the drama.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
108. I'm calling them out so they don't set the narritive
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:24 PM
Jul 2016

They are not victims and I will continue pointing out their hypocrisies as they happen

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
113. I didn't give him attention;
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:27 PM
Jul 2016

but he's a scumbag who has no place in the Democratic OR Republican parties. He should go hang out with the CPUSA or Green or even Libertarian party.

HeartoftheMidwest

(309 posts)
98. Let me see if I have this right.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:15 PM
Jul 2016

You're all frothing at the mouth over, I think, "millennial" protesters at the convention??

Really.
The generation that will inherit a planet in a death spiral because of our greed and selfishness and lack of action?

The generation that at last count holds about 3.5 trillion dollars of educational debt? That has a rotten jobs outlook because we destroyed our economic base here in the USA, in order to increase profits for ourselves?

Perhaps the first generation in ages that will have a lower living standard and life expectancy, because of our greed?

The generation that is stuck cleaning up our wars for oil, and the horrible human suffering we caused worldwide because of it?

How dare they spoil a nice choreographed television spectacle with their messy belief in a right to protest?!!!??? That's unDemocratic!!!!

I think it's wonderful that they care enough about the issues that face them to get involved. We older folks complain that the millennials were "too lazy and privileged to get out and vote in the elections" and when they DO, we criticize them because they don't do it the way we like???? Their participation in the process is one of the healthiest things I've experienced in a LONG time.

HeartoftheMidwest

(309 posts)
103. Addendum:
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:21 PM
Jul 2016

I hope to goodness that there aren't many younger, impassioned voters reading all this venom and negativity being spewed at them by their party, and the people who claim to want their votes.

Because they will turn you off, and never look back.

And they will create their own party, and continue to grow, and the Democratic party will shrivel and die and become as irrelevant as the Republican party is now.

That can't possibly be what many of the above posters want.

Response to HeartoftheMidwest (Reply #98)

EvolveOrConvolve

(6,452 posts)
99. I'm sure your sweet words and gentle demeanor are winnin' 'em over
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:17 PM
Jul 2016

I note with interest that you didn't have the same response when BLM protesters interrupted a Bernie campaign appearance.

Edit to add: just so it's clear, I disagree with what the protesters are doing. Just calling out your flamebait.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
222. REALLY
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:49 AM
Jul 2016

wake up and smell the S*** you're spreading, We can talk about who, since the murder of Trayvon Martin, as an arbitrary starting point, on DU has used the words thug, criminal, ect when describing PoC laying on the ground with a pudddle of their blood soaking into this blood washed land. Anti-semetic nothing. Bernie Sanders supporters for the most part were not crude privileged idiots like these die hard dumbells. But they have always been here at DU diminishing and distracting from the truth, Bernie didn't want to address issues specifically targeting PoC in America. He has since said that he is concerned, but tepidly. Our only concern now is to prevent the american nazi party fuhrer from taking over this country. All this sniping bullshit is totally counterproductive and the original OP is right on the mark.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
102. If they are still so aggrieved by the third night, they need to pack it
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:20 PM
Jul 2016

Up and go home and work on their hurt feelings instead of messing with our convention.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
118. I gave them a near-pass for earlier.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:36 PM
Jul 2016

I always hope people will behave with dignity as if the camera is directly on them. And earlier I felt bad for them because of all of the recent mess. But we're down to business now, the nominations are made and accepted. It's time to whip up the delegates and people who will be working on the campaigns, not fighting old problems or trying to express their grief over losing to Clinton.

wallyworld2

(375 posts)
119. get over it
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:37 PM
Jul 2016

It's part of the process and the convention is going on just fine with them there.

Democracy isn't a bad thing and kicking people out who don't tow some kind of made up party line is more like chumps party than what our party keeps claiming to be.

George II

(67,782 posts)
129. They had their little temper tantrums, now is the time to grow up and act like adults....
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:48 PM
Jul 2016

....booing John Lewis? That was an all-time low.

They are an embarrassment to our Party.

Response to George II (Reply #129)

wallyworld2

(375 posts)
144. towing the line
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:11 PM
Jul 2016

is not the hallmark of progressive positive change.

What these people are pushing for will benefit the nation

That's what Democrats are supposed to be about, not business as usual.

The place to protest is where the people are.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
145. Umm hmm
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:12 PM
Jul 2016
When a Black Lives Matter march arrived, tensions rose as they refused to unite the two protests. “This message is not gonna get drowned out. I will not allow it” one BLM protestor said, as he argued that the Bernie or Bust crowd only wanted to protest together to make their own movement look larger than it was, not to address racial injustice.

A group of Sanders supporters attempted to ease tensions with “we are in this together” chants that clashed with “hell no DNC we won’t vote for Hillary” screams.

“This is why we can’t do anything” a Sanders supporter said of BLM’s attempts to keep the two protests separate.

A BLM activist replied that he had joined the Bernie or Bust movement before, but that their “this is what democracy looks like” motto did not represent his demands as a black man. “I’ve been shot in the street. You wanna talk about that?” he asked the Berner.


From the national memo
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
250. No more and no less a part of the process than criticizing their actions
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:45 PM
Jul 2016

No more and no less a part of the process than criticizing their actions-- which is in fact, part and parcel of "what our party keeps claiming to be..."

Lithos

(26,403 posts)
134. I'm ok to a point
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:57 PM
Jul 2016

Some of it involves people who are still grieving... I'm ok with them... I'm one of those who voted for Bernie.

However, I also know there are many who voted for Bernie because he was not Hillary and can't move on beyond that point. I'm not ok with those people as they seem to think there is some sort of third way. Unfortunately it helps Trump.

I'm with Bernie and like him support Hillary because she'll make a far better president than any other option on the table.



Maru Kitteh

(28,342 posts)
136. They are NOT Democrats and they are NOT Bernie supporters, if they gave a shit about him
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:57 PM
Jul 2016

they wouldn't be taking a crap all over his entire campaign by acting like spoiled brats, loonies and Trump supporters.

To hell with their little "feelings." Kick them off that convention floor.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
141. I refuse to baby these grown ass idiots protesting our convention
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:05 PM
Jul 2016

Then don't.

I'm sure they will really care.



But they got you posting one of these types of threads almost daily.

We're all really impressed.

cliffordu

(30,994 posts)
143. Maybe, and I mean just maybe,
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:09 PM
Jul 2016

They don't want your 'babying'
Maybe they're for real about putting a little skin in the game for an unpopular (around here) stance.

You, I believe would have said the same thing about me at the riots I went to and participated in.

I was with Vietnam Veterans Against the War.

And babies like us kicked our little feet and helped end the goddamned war.

Question: What would it take for you to get out of your house and swim against the current in real life, in public, when people you are supposed to be siding with revile you for your effort, misguided or not? What would it take?

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
151. They do want my babying and they wont get it
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:30 PM
Jul 2016

They dont know shit about that life or being the real fucking oppressed. I was IN the LA riots in 92 as a fucking kid. I know how violence is and I know lifelong struggle. If you wanna compare these self important well off and educated entitled brats to people who live the struggle day in and day out, thats on you.

Haveadream

(1,630 posts)
223. Babies like this protested Humphrey and gave us NIXON
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:55 AM
Jul 2016

and years more of Viet Nam! Babies like this gave us BUSH and they are well on their way to giving us TRUMP.

The protesters need to *think*, be strategic in their message and stop targeting the very allies who can help avert disaster. The rightwing always takes advantage of division and will make everything the protesters don't want become reality tenfold. Why do you think Bernie is absolutely mortified and imploring them to stop?! The situation always become worse and it will again. The people least able to defend themselves will die. Hundreds of thousands of people will die. Democrats with a sense of history and commonsense don't have a problem with "protests", they are trying to avert the disaster of Trump.


betsuni

(25,582 posts)
148. Anyone who thinks Democrats are worse than Republicans is brainwashed or an idiot.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:26 PM
Jul 2016

This morning on the news my husband saw some of the disruptors with tape over their mouths, weeping, faces distorted with rage and despair, as if they were being arrested and sent to a Siberian labor camp for 20 years. He said, "They're ugly." Willful ignorance and selfishness makes people ugly.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
153. "We all need to be as vocal and as organized as Bernie Sanders's supporters have been"
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:33 PM
Jul 2016

smack down.

Obama validates the democratic process, messy as it can be.

I love this president and will miss him.


Arazi

(6,829 posts)
162. "We all need to be as vocal and as organized as Bernie Sanders's supporters have been"
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:54 PM
Jul 2016

A-yup.

Obama understands and gives his blessing. Will be sad to see him go

SunSeeker

(51,607 posts)
172. Obama is not giving his blessing to jerks shouting down Dem speakers.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:04 AM
Jul 2016

Their booing and chanting to shut down Dem speakers is not an exercise of free speech rights, it is an attempt to take away fellow Dems free speech rights. It is shameful and counterproductive.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
174. Lol, that's just what Obama said: "shameful and unproductive"
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:09 AM
Jul 2016

oh wait...

Nah, he didn't.

He said, "We all need to be as vocal and as organized as Bernie Sanders's supporters have been".

Are you dissing our greatest President?

SunSeeker

(51,607 posts)
179. No. You are dissing our President by suggesting he approves of jerks shutting down Dem speakers.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:13 AM
Jul 2016

He was talking about working hard to elect Dems at all levels, not throwing silly temper tantrums.

ismnotwasm

(41,998 posts)
224. You really think he was referring to the hecklers?
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:58 AM
Jul 2016

And not the thousands of hard working volunteers throughout Sanders campaign? Really?

Huh.

SunSeeker

(51,607 posts)
175. Obama was not referring to shouting down Dem speakers at the DNC.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:10 AM
Jul 2016

The Bernie-or-Bust people booing and chanting to shut down Dem speakers at the DNC, after the Dems have chosen their nominee, is not an exercise of free speech rights, it does not get Dems elected (which was the context in which Obama made that statement). It is an attempt to take away fellow Dems' free speech rights and weaken our nominee. It is shameful and counterproductive.

 

Yallow

(1,926 posts)
163. I Hate To Break It To You Folks
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:56 PM
Jul 2016

It's not all good.....

Maybe some of the folks are sick of our pay to play government, and know it will only become more corrupt as our planet spins in a death spiral of heat waves, floods, droughts, tornadoes and hurricanes.

There are more issues at stake then "just" defeating Trump.

Maybe if someone actually mentioned fighting government corruption, half of Trump's supporters might become Democrats.

Like that will happen.

I know two Trump supporters, and they say they will vote for Trump because he is not corrupt.

For what it's worth.

They don't care if his is a "$^**%@(*&(*^*&&_&_" asshole.

Nice shiny convention. Now when will the 1% be paying to fix the planet they are destroying for profit?

I think not......

Go back to your pretend world where tunnel vision is all that is allowed. The 99% will keep up the fight until we all win.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
168. Yeah, bullshit
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:59 PM
Jul 2016

A bunch of memes and talking points all stuck together in an incoherent ramble is what I get from them. These are people who have never missed a fucking meal or lived in a shithole ghetto as I have so I am not impressed with their pristine ass ideology that does not work in real life. And they could give a shit about the hood or racism or anyfuckingthing that does not affect them directly.

 

Yallow

(1,926 posts)
181. How Do You Know Where "They" Lived
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:18 AM
Jul 2016

Putting down people because they are smart enough to know our government is completely corrupt is silly in my book.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/princeton-experts-say-us-no-longer-democracy

WE ARE NOT A DEMOCRACY

Now go on pretending your vote really matters, while the people you vote for serve the people who pay them the most.

Some of us want something done.

How about you?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
252. Which is different than "Now go on pretending your protests really matters" precisely how
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:48 PM
Jul 2016

"Now go on pretending your vote really matters..."

Which is different than "Now go on pretending your protests really matters" precisely how?

SunSeeker

(51,607 posts)
171. Keep up the fight but aim your anger at Republicans.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:01 AM
Jul 2016

Their booing and chanting to shut down Dem speakers is not an exercise of free speech rights, it is an attempt to take away fellow Dems free speech rights. It is shameful and counterproductive.

 

Yallow

(1,926 posts)
178. So They Should Protest At The North Pole?
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:13 AM
Jul 2016

Do Not Get In The Way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

While you are clutching your pearls count the state houses, governorships, and congressional seats our party has lost while bending over backwards to Wall Street, and surrendering to the Republicans, and their economic treason.

The billionaires, or fear of their money own almost all Republicans, and most Dems.

Accept it, or keep living in your pretend world.

There are a hell of a lot of Dems who voted for a lot of horrible legislation, and even support the Fascist TPP corporate takeover of our democracy. The problem isn't just Republicans my friends. Tens of millions of Americans understand this. Do you? Even Jimmy Carter (who was not invited because he tells the truth) says America is an Oligarchy with unlimited political bribery. The convention is full of the folks who profit from these bribes, whether you believe me or not. It's simply a fact that no one can deny.

Thank God there are a few Democrats that want to fix ALL OUR PROBLEMS and not pretend they don't exist, and continue throwing crumbs at the masses while the 1% amass more power and wealth every second.

I repeat. It's not all good.

SunSeeker

(51,607 posts)
183. No. Protest without shutting down speakers at our convention.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:20 AM
Jul 2016

Protest outside, like everyone else.

No one is pretending our problems don't exist. They're trying to talk about them and how we will fix them. But a tiny group of rude jerks want to shut those Dem speakers down.

Response to SunSeeker (Reply #183)

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
253. I find it rather illustrative that you pretend anyone who disagrees with your position...
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:50 PM
Jul 2016

I find it rather illustrative that you maintain the self-validating pretense that anyone who disagrees with your position doesn't live in the real world.

Maru Kitteh

(28,342 posts)
263. Jimmy Carter endorsed Hillary and urges all to vote for her! He was invited and spoke.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 03:38 PM
Jul 2016

Via video because you know what? The poor guy is getting up there, not to mention he was given a death sentence not too long ago! His address was touching, and his endorsement VERY clear.

You should bother to know something about our party and our convention before you start blathering apologies for the entitled, patchouli-soaked, shit-stained little vermin in Philadelphia that are actively derailing and discouraging any growth of Bernie's message among those who would be natural allies. No liberal, no progressive wants to join a bunch of racist, spoiled little brats repeatedly shouting down civil rights icon John Lewis.



 

Yallow

(1,926 posts)
194. Another Thought
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:37 AM
Jul 2016

"take away fellow Dems free speech rights"

Half the folks who's free speech was infringed upon will be VOTING FOR TPP.

Now Let's Talk about REALLY screwing someone.

Jackilope

(819 posts)
228. Actually, she was for it and touted it as "Gold Standard" until Sanders had traction
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:44 AM
Jul 2016

with being against it.

Obama is for TPP.

If HRC evolves again, finding gold in it, are those protesting it still going to be "whiney@ssed babies"?

Democracy is messy. Peaceful protest is all we've got when you can't pull together $200,000 a plate private dining and influential ear bending with party elites.

SunSeeker

(51,607 posts)
254. She was not talking about the current TPP terms. You are pushing Trump talking points.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:52 PM
Jul 2016

You are pushing a truncated quote of a sratement she made in 2012, as Secretary of State, in which she was talking about the TPP goals of protecting US workers and the environment.

Maru Kitteh

(28,342 posts)
265. Many of those delegates have been acting like assholes and disruptive shit-stains.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 03:47 PM
Jul 2016

That's why. If they don't like it, and they can't control themselves, they can go join the Green vermin and patchouli-soaked bongo-bangers outside and protest their privileged little brains out.


SunSeeker

(51,607 posts)
274. I imagine because such a protest implies she supports TPP.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:54 PM
Jul 2016

Which would give the TV audience the wrong impression.

Jackilope

(819 posts)
288. There is grave and legitimate concern.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 01:08 PM
Jul 2016

ABC ran footage of money and the influential and how if you have 200,000, you get audience with top party people (Clinton, Biden, Obama). For you and I (I'm assuming you don't have that kind of cash to drop for dinner), besides calling an office or sending a letter, this is the one route to make sure you are at least heard or looked at.

With all this money being dropped, this brings distrust and concern from the little people.

Obama is pushing it, I fear that HRC is going to evolve back in favor of it.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
280. So much for trying to drag this party back to its populist roots...
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:31 PM
Jul 2016

And for a party that has gone from representing half the electoriate to barely a third to so easily reject young Dems for peacefully protesting just shows how rigidly close minded it's become.

It was always the Republicans that had clockwork conventions where everyone marched to the same drummer. They all carried the same matching signs, wore the same stupid hats all bobbing their heads in unison.

While the Dems were more transparent, let their disagreements be visible, unapologetic as they fought over ther platform.

I think Chomsky might be right when he said the Democratic Party is the new moderate Republican Party..

Jackilope

(819 posts)
289. Well, there were cheers and applauding for Reagan last night.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 01:21 PM
Jul 2016

I watched footage and observations from Sanders delegates at the convention. Heard a few accounts regarding ADA needs and how one disabled person needed a cart and a cart driver said he could help her, after he carted the VIP wealthy and invited people to where they needed to be.

One huge reason why Sanders had the appeal and hearts of supporters was identifying the problem with money and the influence of it in our broken system. To truly listen, you'd expect a Democratic Convention to not embrace and try to attract that kind of dysfunction and disconnect with us unwashed masses.

I agree with Chomsky.

DLCWIdem

(1,580 posts)
307. lelt me get this straight
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 04:40 AM
Jul 2016

Your telling us that Trump isn't corrupt, unlike the Democratic party. and if you really think that Trump is not corrupt there is no hope for you

MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
185. You sure let them get under your skin...
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:25 AM
Jul 2016

I don't think that it's much of anything unusual, or that they have had any negative impact, besides raising the blood pressure of some sensitive souls. I agree they are obnoxious, like many protesters can be, but I have the feeling they won't be Trump supporters, and the majority will be voting Hillary in the end.

Lots of Democrats can be immature assholes, it's a big tent when there are only two viable parties, they're still Democrats, and people. And there are some young people (and a couple older people) who are very passionate, stubborn and naive (imagine that!). Better position to be in than the GOP, to actually have young people in the party. I'd rather have some young obnoxious privileged assholes making some noise at inappropriate times out of a much larger group of young people bringing energy to the party than a small cadre of young people that sit on their hands.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
199. The more I see them, the less I worry about them.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:50 AM
Jul 2016

Sure, disrupting is rude, but disrupting and protesting has always been a part of the poltical process.

Let them make noise - you don't have to agree with them, and if they take things too far, they'll just make asses of themselves.

Relax.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
200. These are Democratic convention delegates. Representative of 45% of our party
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:55 AM
Jul 2016

Even President Obama refuses to shit on them and instead he praises them.

You could learn a lesson.

Jackilope

(819 posts)
236. +1
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:06 AM
Jul 2016

... and not to worry! The media barely covers them and seat fillers give a nice illusion that all is harmonious and well in the convention hall.

bjmack83

(1 post)
203. convention protestors
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:57 AM
Jul 2016

You don't think people who had there vote stolen in a rigged primary have reason to be upset. This who process was the biggest fruad in American history. The votes of millions of people including REGISTERED DEMOCRATS, and many first time voters was for nothing as the party elites decided who they wanted before the first vote was cast. The emails proved it, and these protestors are sure not republicans, they are democrats who the neo liberal party elites have forgot about.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
216. I'm surprised they
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:15 AM
Jul 2016

didn't say that much when Pres. O was speaking, unless the troublemakers got booted out already.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
218. Are you talking about the protesters outside? or inside?
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:22 AM
Jul 2016

...unless you disagree with the first amendment, the people outside have a right to be there.

You do understand this is still a democracy, right?

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
233. Who cares?
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:53 AM
Jul 2016

Not the OP, that's for sure. The name of the game is attention and rec's, that's all that matters.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
256. I fail to see how an OP on a message board denies anyone their right to be there.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:54 PM
Jul 2016

"unless you disagree with the first amendment, the people outside have a right to be there..."

I fail to see how an OP on a message board denies anyone their right to be there. That the OP is in fact, a practical use and accurate illustration of that same first amendment you invoked.

"You do understand this is still a democracy, right?"

Gothmog

(145,433 posts)
227. I rode back on the bus with a clinton delegate who may kill a sanders idiot
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:42 AM
Jul 2016

This kid is pissing off dveryone and may have his credentials pulled

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
231. I've been tired of their shit for months
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:51 AM
Jul 2016

If they can't see the extremely obvious differences between the two major candidates, they're imbeciles and I have no time for imbeciles. I learned that lesson with nader and his merry band of morons.

The Polack MSgt

(13,191 posts)
235. I agree it's past time for them to settle down
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:03 AM
Jul 2016

But I can't get too worked up about what seems to be 10% or less of Senator Sanders' supporters.

Yeah they need to shut up - and disrupting Rep. Cummings was a classless move that foolishly displays the level of privilege that they deny so angrily when it gets pointed out... All true Bravenak, all true, no argument.

Here is what I worry about though - If we look back on this election and Sanders supporters are seen as an obstacle not an asset, the Democratic party will lose an opportunity to get younger, more energized and more solidly liberal.

I'm not advocating that we kiss their pampered asses, just that we don't make these loud assholes the symbol of all the new Democrats that Bernie brought into the tent.

posted this on day 1 of the convention
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512296493

 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
240. Are you name calling? Are you calling me a grown ass idiot?
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:32 PM
Jul 2016

Nobody is protesting "the convention".

Protesting failed policies such as endless war in the Middle East, yes.

crim son

(27,464 posts)
243. And I will hold my nose and vote for Hillary
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:48 PM
Jul 2016

despite the sad lack of character displayed by some of her supporters.

Lyric

(12,675 posts)
285. But without calling out the sad lack of character on the other side.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:28 PM
Jul 2016

The asshole river flows both ways.

dembotoz

(16,812 posts)
244. i must have missed the memo....who died and made you god?
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:56 PM
Jul 2016

and where do i pick up my copy of your dem purity test????
is it hard copy or must i take it online?


if i flunk your test can i get my contributions refunded? would not want to taint ya know

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
259. I don't think a mere OP simply expressing an opinion is indicative of god-hood
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:59 PM
Jul 2016

I don't think a mere OP simply expressing an opinion is indicative of god-hood, regardless of whether you revived an imaginary memo or not.

dembotoz

(16,812 posts)
275. ah contrary....the op professes to be holier than me anyway....prob not hard to do
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:12 PM
Jul 2016

but the purge mentality is so delightful

rladdi

(581 posts)
247. These are the uneducated, non political young. They have NO clue about how politics works. No Clue
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:17 PM
Jul 2016

that you cannot win everything. As kids, their parents have given them everything, not wanting for nothing. They have all the electronic toys. cars, other basic items. But really lack a good education. Our education is a failure as well as the parents. Parents don't raise kids anymore, they raise themselves, Cry and get what they want. The excuses they have given for not supporting Clinton, shows they have never listened to her. 3 young females interviewed Tuesday night was ignorant about Clinton and her policies. They have never listened to Clinton, but they say he doesn't support their views. Sometimes not all views are supported. That is America, that is Democracy, that is freedom, we have views, we have wants, but NOT always do we get all of those.

Response to bravenak (Original post)

Lunabell

(6,103 posts)
251. I call bullshit
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:47 PM
Jul 2016

We can't just kick them out of the party because YOU disagree with them. There are some legitimate problems that need to be fixed and sweeping or shoving it under the rug won't fix it!

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
257. An irony being that the very same people telling us that your OP is denying the protesters
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:56 PM
Jul 2016

An irony being that the very same people telling us that your OP is denying the protesters their right to free speech are guilty of precisely the same thing vis-a-vis you.

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
261. they have a knack for brave actions others lack
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 03:04 PM
Jul 2016

you know, like those that resent dissent and whine about it from the relative safety of pixelworld

And this is particularly true when you consider that their heavy in person involvement/investment that got them there justifies their dissent in principle and practice, and that censorship is for authoritarians.

What other privileges do you want besides shutting them up/booting them out, and why do you think your effort here deserves any better a descriptions/characterizations than you applied to them?

MasonDreams

(756 posts)
269. please dont call me a trump voter
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 05:52 PM
Jul 2016

what about green lives ?? do they matter???
Have you served in the military?
Efforts to save the lives of our troops are worthwhile.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
297. If you vote for Trump you are a Trump voter
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:22 PM
Jul 2016

If you vote for Greens or indepedents in the ge you are merely a trump helper

MasonDreams

(756 posts)
304. I am, of course, voting for Clinton.
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 03:59 AM
Jul 2016

I simply oppose the bloodier portions of her stated foreign policy. In my opinion, some changes will get her more votes and save lives. I am not the only one.

Condescenturion

(6 posts)
273. Ironic
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:46 PM
Jul 2016
"...and nobody is going to join you in your obsolescence..."

Even though Hillary adopted Bernie's platform.

Side note: voting for Hillary.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
294. Yeah. We could all baby them and tell them how super they are and give them everything they want
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:18 PM
Jul 2016

My babying them would merely be to ignore it or justify them acting stupid

wyldwolf

(43,868 posts)
292. 15 years
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 06:32 PM
Jul 2016

For 15 years I've been on DU, often very active and sometimes not, but I've been consistent in my belief that the left fringe of the Democratic party/movement/progressive realm are simply and willfully naive fundamentalists. It isn't their ideas that are the issue, it's their behavior, their 'more progressive than thou' attitudes, all the while lacking fundamental 8th grade American civics knowledge.

Oh, they've behaved this way before. '36, '48, '60, '68, '72, '80, 2000....

In a 1935 letter to the DNC addressing the heavy criticism her husband was getting from the left, Eleanor Roosevelt wrote: "The ups and downs in peoples’ feelings, particularly on the liberal side, are an old, old story. The liberals always get discouraged when they do not see the measures they are interested in go through immediately. Considering the time we have had to work in the past for almost every slight improvement, I should think they might get over with it, but they never do."

1948 should have settled the absurd notion that "progressives" were the real base of the part when the third party run of Henry Wallace resulted in an popular vote and electoral rout.

I agree with you. I'd rather woo disaffected Republicans or spend an election cycle of two in the political wilderness than put up with these kids.

15 years on DU reading tirades and threats of "progressive" revolution fizzled out this week with whimpers and farts.

Demsrule86

(68,625 posts)
310. Hi Bravenak
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 08:35 AM
Jul 2016

I agree completely. They stepped on Bernie Sanders, and honestly he deserved better from them. I still say they are not Bernie supporters. This shows how much the movement meant to them...just a game like looking for Pokemon.

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