2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIs it safe now to speculate about 2016?
POLL: Who will be the Democratic Party Presidential Nominee in 2016?I think that Cuomo is pretty much the shoe in. Probably versus Christie. A New Yorker versus a fat guy from New Jersey. Shouldn't be much of a fight.
I'd prefer Dean, but he'll be too old. As for Hillary, I think she's ready to retire tomorrow.
Please. No.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Before we starting talking about the next one?
Plus we might want to try to do some governing in the next 3 year as well. Lots of issues to still be worked on. Let's let the people who are thinking about running assess what just happened and how it will affect the next election. This was the first major election without spending limits. Some people might not want to jump in when it requires fundraising all that money and a huge commitment on the part of their families. Lots of questions to be asked though...
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)the worst part of the whole last 4 years of campaigning was that it sucked away all the energy from Governing.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)The GOP'ers aren't going to forget the wet sloppy kiss he gave President Obama last week.
LeftofObama
(4,243 posts)I hate to sound like a rethug, but he's earned it for supporting our President and I would fully support him!
Zadoc
(195 posts)I worked for Biden's 2008 campaign. But he's going to be 73 in 2016. He'll probably retire.
mojitojoe
(94 posts)...or will it go the way of the Whig party and condense into an unelectable lump of angry old white men?
Zadoc
(195 posts)global1
(25,284 posts)and if it's not Hillary I got this feeling last night that it might be Elizabeth Warren.
realFedUp
(25,053 posts)but Elizabeth won't be the nominee
barbiegeek
(1,140 posts)global1
(25,284 posts)but if she is true to her word that she is not interested - Elizabeth Warren is my pick.
djg21
(1,803 posts)She is far smarter than Cuomo, and isn't a "DINO."
I hope Hillary runs. Anyone but Cuomo.
Cosmocat
(14,575 posts)I like her A LOT. She has heart, and she is pretty tough.
But, not a chance a very liberal women from Massachusetts could win a general election in our lives.
realFedUp
(25,053 posts)Clooney as VP
shayes51
(1,105 posts)realFedUp
(25,053 posts)Christie acted like a human being and that really pisses off the right.
I'm sure they'll do a 180 in 10 seconds when/if they realize he's their best chance. They're never principled. They mold their standards/beliefs around their candidate. If they think Christie can win, they'll kiss his ass like nobody's business.
gkhouston
(21,642 posts)Seriously, not going to spend 4 years talking about the next election.
union_maid
(3,502 posts)I don't mind speculating, but by the time primary season rolls around things often look different than they do right after the election. One thing I really hope for is that whoever's on the ticket it's not two white, non-Hispanics, even if one is female. I think that would be a huge mistake.
animalcrackers
(93 posts)or continuing, however you want to see it.
But I think Democrats and Obama supporters have to approach this term with a new strategy. It can't be a "Heya Mr. Pres, so your back in the Whitehouse... I'mma let you do your thing and go back to whatever". Repubs still have the house majority, and a lot of the obstructionist pukes are still there.
So moving forward we have to think about a number of things:
1) Will the Repubs continue obstructionism, hyper-partisanship and zero sum games? Bohner and Mitch seem to suggest this. And they are probably hoping to continue marginalizing the Presidents agenda in hopes of strong showing in the midterms, and possibly taking 2016.
2) Though the tea party was hurt, I can't see them going away. And neither will their big $ backers. Koch and friends have the luxury of patients and unlimited war chests, and as long as Citizens United is around voter suppression, dark money, and super PAC tactics will threaten our democracy. We need a counter movement to this, something that is organized and ready at the ground level.
3) The best way to secure 2016 is to ensure a successful Obama presidency. Hell, the GOP was trying to re-write history as it happened this campaign, using Faux news and the poor overall media coverage of the circus that Obama faced and trying to vilify the changes he has been able to achieve. Indeed, the ridiculous narrative of "disappointment with Obama" still continues in the mainstream media this morning.
I say take the momentum gained in the election, and the incredible efforts to organize/mobilize into the political arena for the next 4 years to counter this BS. Stay active, engage others who re-elected the President and continue the efforts in recruiting and informing the public. If we make the same mistakes following 2008, and allow the teabaggers to dictate the state/national discourse we might have a repeat of 2010 - 2012. You only need to look at what the right wing is saying today - that Mitt wasn't "right" enough, that Boehner plans to "kick the can" in terms of debt reduction and tax reform, and all the other ludicrous claims (Blaming Sandy and Christy, That Obama doesn't have a mandate to run, how they won the pop vote - or caim close, blah blah blah).
Like Obama said, the hope and change is us. They mentioned on CNN post election coverage that Obama plans on taking some issues out to the american people, and I think this is a keen move (though I am not sure exactly what it entails). But whatever the future has in store, I think we should worry about 2016 when it comes, and instead focus on having the President's back.
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)was the road to Jeb Bush in 2016. I think he's the favorite for the GOP if he runs - he has 3 years to burnish his "compassionate conservative" image so he won't have to go too far to the right in the GOP primaries. I'd say Rubio would be a VP favorite, but he's also from Florida. Bush's wife is Latina and W (for all his faults) was far friendlier to Latinos in general than the current GOP.
Jeb Bush
Chris Christie
Marco Rubio
barbiegeek
(1,140 posts)RebelOne
(30,947 posts)but she likes Jeb Bush and said she would vote for him if he runs in 2016.
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)The "smart" Bush
The anti-Patriot Act/anti-NDAA/anti-war Paul forces get stronger every year. In 2016 they actually win.
BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)But I will say this...I think it's a safe bet that the Republican nominee will choose a Hispanic running mate.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)Jeb/Susana Martinez.
A Bush and a Hispanic woman from a state (NM) that Democrats won last night in some large part because of the Hispanic vote.
I don't think it's a path to victory for Jeb...but it is predictable. She's a woman, she's Hispanic, she'll be a more experienced governor at that point than Palin was...and she's not an idiot flake with zero political sense.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)The last thing we need right now is to start ANOTHER freaking media circus. Lets rest a moment & focus on the work at hand.
:bangshead:
MSMITH33156
(879 posts)I'm all in.
Paladin
(28,277 posts)I'm eating popcorn just thinking about such a match-up......
RosedaleGuy
(89 posts)I love Obama but I think the Clintons are better at fighting the rethugs. Hillary would win easily partly because Bill in more popular today than he has ever been. Hillary would lock up the WH for another 8 years helping to kill the scourge that is the GOP.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)And she needs to get with Plouffe.
Zadoc
(195 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)older, but certainly not too old. Younger than Biden, to be sure.
Cosmocat
(14,575 posts)the clock ticks a little differently.
She can do a year or so more as SOS for the President, step down, take a year to recharge and be ready to roll.
Get a good young pup on the ticket with her.
LOTS of good will banked for her.