Sanders has to own this mess

[woolldog]

He continued to whip his supporters into a frenzy long after it was clear that he was mathematically done. He created false hope when he knew it was over. As a result the party is a mess, Trump to surging and we could very well lose this thing. History will never forgive him if that happens.

[angstlessk]

1. Hillary is NOT going to lose to trump

get over trying to blame people you don't know of some unlikely outcome!

[OnDoutside]

3. Nice diversion ! :)

[merrily]

36. Of course, no one was angry before Bernie campaigned; no one got angry until the last month of

his campaign; and he could change that if he wished.

Ah, the things one reads on DU. smh

[Sparkly]

71. And Al Gore was NOT going to lose to G.W. Bush.

Just sayin'.

[angstlessk]

77. He didn't...remember the supreme court?

[Sparkly]

79. That's all it takes.

There's no room for confidence.

[angstlessk]

93. If this goes to the supreme court and they install trump

I'm moving to Canada...hell I can take a motor boat to Canada!

[Joe the Revelator]

2. Trump got a historically low convention bump. Let's not throw in the towel. Or blame Bernie for...

running a campaign.

[NanceGreggs]

7. No one is blaming Bernie ...

... for "running a campaign". But he IS responsible for the way his campaign was run.

[angstlessk]

46. You mean to win? That type of campaign?

[Sparkly]

80. To attack. To withhold his concession. To keep his supporters whipped up.

To undermine the party's candidate and in effect HELP REPUBLICANS.

[angstlessk]

86. Talking about policy differences is not an attack

Bernie has been a liberal forever...Hillary used to be a Goldwater Girl...

I do not believe Bernie brought that up?

[Sparkly]

89. He attacked. And now you're doing it.

He hasn't been a Democrat forever, and Hillary Clinton hasn't been a "Goldwater Girl" since she was a TEENAGER.

For God's SAKE let's stop the tests of who is or who isn't more progressive or liberal? THE PRIMARY WAS OVER a long time ago, and it took way too long for Sanders to acknowledge that. He led his supporters on to make demands, persist in calling for a "revolution," refuse to concede or endorse until he got more power, glory and people bowing down.

This was WAY beyond policy difference -- and policy difference makes ZERO difference if our party isn't strong enough to take back the White House and both houses of Congress. You're either part of the solution, or you're part of the problem.

[angstlessk]

92. I said Bernie was a liberal, not a Democrat..and if posting facts

is attacking...then let the facts be damned...

YOU said Bernie attacked Hillary, and now I know what you think an attack looks like.

P.S. Hillary is gonna win this thing, and I am voting for her!

[NanceGreggs]

4. I don't believe we're going to lose this thing.

But I agree wholeheartedly that Bernie owns this mess 100%.

[NanceGreggs]

47. Oh, I see.

Hillary should have foregone HER choice for VP and simply chosen who Bernie's people wanted. It's all HER fault that BS delegates are disrupting speeches being made by long-revered and respected civil rights icons.

"Unified everything immediately"? Uh, no, that wouldn't have happened. Warren was thrown under the bus the minute she campaigned with HRC. Had she been chosen as VP, the perpetually pissed-off would have run her over with that bus, repeatedly, from now until the Inauguration.

[Me.]

52. I Think You're Missing The Point

The Bots seem to want Hillary to apologize for winning and nothing less than her mea culpa, except, of course, if she would concede to Bernie, will do.

[NanceGreggs]

58. True that.

That woman has a god-damned nerve getting more primary votes than Bernie. She should be ashamed of herself.

[Armstead]

18. No those who have ko wtowed to Big Money at the expense of the poor and Middle class own it...

...just as much.

Bernie merely channeled the frustration and anger that many people feel with a government and political system that has been purchased.

[Demsrule86]

26. If Trump is elected any shot at stopping income inequality is gone.

As usual...nothing is accomplished ....all that happens is a bunch of greens are loose at the Democratic convention.

[Armstead]

28. Please tell me where in my response I said Trump should be President

[woolldog]

76. Trump being elected is a natural consequence of the way

Sanders has conducted his campaign.

[rjsquirrel]

32. The poor voted overwhelmingly for Clinton

so there goes that theory.

[Armstead]

37. Oh, so I guess it means nothing when Republicans win with poor and working class voters

[rjsquirrel]

44. That is not the case

Democrats win overwhelmingly among low income voters.

But that isn't the issue here. You claim Sanders' campaign represents the poor vs. the establishment. Poor voters don't seem to agree with you.

So are you saying educated middle class white leftists know the interest of the poor more than the poor? And the poor are possessed of false consciousness and vote against their own interests?

Just checking.

[Armstead]

45. Depends on how one defines low income

The point is that people do not always vote in their own economic interests if enough other issues are thrown at them to distract from the looting by the upper class and wealthy corporations.

[rjsquirrel]

51. False consciousness then?

Who gets to define the interest of voters if not voters themselves? You are otherwise invoking Leninist philosophy in which a vanguard of radical intellectuals decide they represent working people whether or not working people agree.

This country is, however, a democracy. You convince people that you represent their interests. If you can do that, then they vote for you.

You cannot claim to represent people who voted for your opponent in spite of their choice.

And it doesn't depend how you slice the pie. Hillary won more working-class and low income voters than Sanders by a LOT. The typical mistake made by those who say otherwise is to conflate "poor" with "minority" and "working class" with "white."

[pangaia]

34. as the saying goes............ THIS !!

[NorthCarolina]

5. BS

and I don't mean Bernie Sanders.

[RBInMaine]

6. Whoa! The party is NOT in a "mess". New poll out TONIGHT has Hillary back up by five. Calm down.

[woolldog]

12. Which poll?

You can't say that and not post a link.

[sarae]

40. !!!

which poll would that be...?

[B Calm]

8. BS

[flamingdem]

9. The DNC has to own their part too

and lets not allow wikileaks to own us

[B Calm]

11. Bingo! +1

[uponit7771]

19. BULL FUCKIN SHIT!!! Hillary won fair and sqaure, fuck all those who (with little to no evidence)....

... claim she didn't

[pangaia]

38. YEAH !!! YOU TELL 'EM!!

Fuck, fuck fuck...

Did I say fuck...???

Oh, I forgot.... BULL FUCKIN SHIT!!!

FFUUCCKK !!!

[B Calm]

82. Even Nancy Pelosi said she had an unfare advantage.

[uponit7771]

83. Link and quote? tia

[riderinthestorm]

10. No. Bernie has been exhorting his followers to support Clinton for weeks

Your statement is so wrong.

Shameful attempt to smear him.

This election is Hillary Clinton's to win or lose. Nobody else.

[woolldog]

15. He should've been doing that months ago

Not for weeks but for months. You're making my point for me.

[riderinthestorm]

21. There was still goddamn voting going on WEEKS ago

Facts matter.

[woolldog]

54. I don't give a fuck

He had no chance of winning and he god damn knew it! Instead he was bs'ing saying he's gonna take it to the convention giving his supporters false hope that he had a snowball's chance in hell. He didn't and he knew it.

[riderinthestorm]

60. Ah, so you're into disenfranchisement. Got it. Thanks for clarifying

Bernie kept his word to his supporters.

He's like that.

Hillary is the candidate. For months we've heard she's going to easily beat Trump.so no worries.

Don't keep fighting the primaries.

[woolldog]

68. He couldve kept his damn mouth shut.

And stopped campaigning when he knew it was over....you know like Trump's opponents did.

[riderinthestorm]

69. And not into free speech.either obviously

And maybe not even democracy....

[woolldog]

74. If Trump gets elected due to Bernie's shennanigans

you'll understand real authoritarianism.

Study some history. He's not the first candidate to be railroaded in his first primary fight. Sometimes even if the process is rigged you can't act like a spoiled child. You put the good of the party ahead of your own self-interest and realize that not doing so leads to helping a fascist like Trump winning. Sorry you (and he) don't understand that there's more to it than his personal feelings.

[Lord Magus]

95. It's not "disenfranchisement" for a candidate to drop out when they've lost. -nt-

[NanceGreggs]

56. And Bernie's chance of being the nominee ...

... was over months ago.

Yes, FACTS matter. And not acknowledging that FACT, telling his supporters he was "taking the fight to the Convention", telling them that he would convince the SDs to ignore the will of the voters and hand him the nomination, persisting in asking for donations because he could "still win this thing" long after he knew it was impossible, are also FACTS.

[riderinthestorm]

62. Are you re-fighting the primaries Nance?

Tsk.

Hillary's the candidate. For months all we've heard is she's going to easily beat Trump so relax.

[NanceGreggs]

88. No, not refighting the primaries.

Just pointing out the FACTS.

If I were any more relaxed about Hillary beating Trump, I'd be in a coma. She'll beat him without breaking a sweat.

[Lord Magus]

94. Yes, facts do matter.

The last primary was June 14. That's over a month ago. Hillary clinched the nomination on June 6. And it was obvious that Bernie had no realistic path to the nomination long before that.

But the worst was his repeatedly pledging to "take it to the convention" which left the people who tried to disrupt the convention today with the impression they could still win not only when there was no longer a realistic path but when Bernie had actually already lost. This left them feeling that when Bernie didn't get the nomination after all, it must have been because he was cheated.

[uponit7771]

20. after spending months saying the game was rigged against him !!

[bonemachine]

30. ...

I'd say that assertion has been fairly well vindicated.

[uponit7771]

33. This is false on its face, nothing proffered shows a concerted effort against Sanders NOTHING

... not one damn thing

[avaistheone1]

35. indeed it has.

[Charles Bukowski]

49. Bernie increasingly

used conservative taking points against Clinton as his campaign wore on. It whipped this vocal minority into a frenzy.

That's a shame, as the primaries ceased to be competitive months ago.

He absolutely owns this.

[riderinthestorm]

64. Nope. Ths primary is over. She won. She now has to win these folks over

or not.

Bernie's been upfront since the voting ended in CA that he supports Clinton and we should too.

[Warren DeMontague]

13. are you watching the same thing I am?

I don't see a mess. I see a lot of cheering, unified Democrats.

[uponit7771]

17. You know what the OP is talking about and it isn't the shit you see now its the booing of most of...

... the black speakers like MSNBC is showing right now.

FUCK THEM, most of the PoC got boo'd on stage... fuck them!!!

[skylucy]

43. I totally agree. The disrespect shown to Ms. Fudge and to the great civil rights icon Rep.Elijah

Cummings (as well as the classless behavior during the prayer) was appalling.

[Warren DeMontague]

48. I'm watch the thing directly, online. Fuck cable "newz".

So the answer is, yes, you're not watching the same thing I am.

I see a very unified convention.

[bettyellen]

55. Well you missed some ugly embarrassing behavior then.

[Warren DeMontague]

57. No, I didn't miss it. They should not have chanted about the TPP over Elijah Cummings.

but they've shut up, now, so I guess my take is, we can continue to focus on that 20 minutes of inappropriateness, or we can move on with the rest of the week.

I don't know, yesterday I heard about "let he who is without sin cast the first stone", about an email from a highly placed DNC official which was directly bigoted against Atheists such as myself. I'm trying to let it go, you know?

They shouldn't have done that, but it's over, now. So let's hope it was an early blip, because the people who want to talk about it to the exclusion of everything else all through Thursday are gonna look pretty silly after a while.

[bettyellen]

61. Last I saw Nina Turner said there were plans to be disruptive from

The beginning to the very end.

[Warren DeMontague]

65. The plans dont seem to be panning out.

Because since the Cummings fiasco, I havent seen much disruption at all.

[bettyellen]

70. I hope you are right. Maybe all the people claiming they'd vote for Trump had their credentials

Pulled. Ratfuckers should be sent home.

[Warren DeMontague]

72. You really should find a live online stream, turn off cable news I think, betty.

I see a lot of unity right now. No disruption whatsoever.

[procon]

63. Sure, not counting jeers and screaming to shout down the opening prayer, it was great.

When Dr. Cynthia Hale delivered the invocation and mentioned Clinton being the Democratic nominee for president, Sanders supporters started yelling, “Bernie! Bernie! Bernie!”

[Warren DeMontague]

67. What is happening right now?

Or are we going to spend all week talking about the first hour of Monday?

[procon]

75. You mean after Sanders sent emails pleading with his supporters to behave?

Yes, we will be talking about it because of who they disrespected, and because the news will be flagging it, and Trump will be throwing it back in our faces. You can't make that stop by sweeping it under the rug and acting like there is nothing unusual to discuss. And if you think those same provocateurs are done with their 15 minutes of fame, just wait.

[Warren DeMontague]

81. goody! let's all fight with each other, then... won't that be great?

What an AWESOME fucking plan that is.

[procon]

85. You should cc that to all those Sanders supporters who heckled the speakers.

I'm sure they will listen to you.

[Warren DeMontague]

87. what would you like me to do, fly to Philly and give them a spanking?

They've shut up now. The convention is unified. We are all going to have a great week, and we're going to win this thing in November.

I know it's really really really really really really really difficult, but maybe try to move on.

[uponit7771]

14. Then told everyone the game the long shot black guy won with in 08 was rigged against him !!!

... 100% agree with this

[awake]

22. This is Hillary's week

Her "peps" had no idea how anger the people of this country are. If the DNC had played fair the people here for Bernie would not be as pissed. DWS should not have been given so much time to leave the stage this weekend. "I am not a member of a organized party I am a Democrat" as was once said.

[Lord Magus]

96. Bullshit.

The people booing and disrupting were angry about one thing: the fact that Bernie lost. It had nothing do with DWS or with fantasies about the DNC being "unfair" to Bernie, their anger is all about the fact that he didn't get the nomination even though they really, really wanted him to win.

[baldguy]

23. And the Kremlin's email dump fed right into that fantasy.

As it was meant to.

[book_worm]

24. You and others who always seem to panic need to get a grip

Bernie is doing what he can and there are not all that many protesters as the media would want you to think.

[cynatnite]

25. It really belongs at the feet of some of his rabid supporters...

He did keep going longer than he should, but I don't fault him over what's happening right now.

I believe Hillary/Kaine will win.

[Vattel]

27. I don't think you know what "mathematically done" means.

[glennward]

29. I have already sent him the deed. nt

[pangaia]

31. He,,, he,,,, wait, I'll get it out.... hang on..

have to settle myself first............................................
.................................
...........................

OK, I' calmed down....

"He continued to whip his supporters into a frenzy.........."

[panader0]

39. If Hillary loses, and I sure hope she doesn't, it won't be Bernie's fault.

[Vattel]

41. Hillary owns this for her dishonesty during the campaign.

[Lord Magus]

97. There was none.

Quit peddling Republican lies and memes.

[David__77]

42. I think candidates are responsible for the success or failure of their campaigns.

I think Sanders is responsible for his failure. I think that Clinton will be responsible for the outcome of her campaign.

[Whimsey]

50. Nondemocratic DU

I got a post removed for comparing Sanders tactics to Trumps tactics. Apparently it is who you know.

The Bernie delegates is doing what they can do disrupt the convention. They do need to take responsibility for negative press coming out from the convention.

[jtunes]

53. Bernie practically forced the DNC to write those emails nt

[tawadi]

59. Agreed. nt

[rocktivity]

66. Whatsoever a political party soweth, they shall also reap.

There was no reason to believe the DNC would referee a fair fight. The leaked e-mails have confirmed it, and now everyone is supposed to instantly contract amnesia "for the greater good of the party"? Roost, meet your chickens.


rocktivity

[Lord Magus]

98. More bullshit.

The "leaked emails" don't show a damned thing.

[Tatiana]

73. He owns some of it, but not all.

He tried to encourage his supporters to do the right thing, repeatedly.

Some of the crazies refuse to listen to reason.

[fishwax]

78. There's no real mess to own just yet

There are some people acting badly right now, but what we have on the whole is a raucous and energetic crowd at the start of what wll be, eventually, a unifying and stirring convention.

We're not going to lost this thing. We're going to win. And when Hillary crushes Trump in November it will be in part because of Sanders and his supporters, and not in spite of them.

On to victory.

[Warren DeMontague]

84. No one is actually acting badly right now.

There was about 20 minutes of acting badly early in the day, it's over, and really the convention seems to have moved on.

Some people here should take a cue from it.

[GreenPartyVoter]

91. +1

[lanlady]

90. I totally agree - and I'll blame Sanders if Trump wins

Sanders said time and again that he would take the fight to the convention, even after losing to Hillary by millions of votes. The day after he lost California he held a rally of his supporters outside DC and then stood on the White House lawn, after meeting with Obama, full of resentment and anger and refusing to endorse her. No wonder his supporters are taking their cues from his behavior. They're doing what he encouraged them to do - disrupt the process no matter what it takes, no matter the cost.

[woolldog]

99. This is disgraceful.

Never seen anything like it. My god.