Congratulations, Sanders DNC delegates, you just killed his movement and his revolution.

[geek tragedy]

Heckling, booing, jeering, African-American leaders like Marcia Fudge and Elijah Cummings talking about civil rights, giving prayers, talking about defeating Donald Trump?

Booing Bernie Sanders? When he talks about the need to defeat Donald Trump.

You are sending a very clear message--that the core activists in the Sanders movement are fanatics. That they are incapable of playing a constructive role in anything. That they are nothing but anarchists and vandals looking to break stuff out of anger. That there is no point in working with them.

This is not fair to the greater number of Sanders voters out there, who did have an optimistic vision for the country's future and for our political process.

But, because you can't control your glands, you've taken that all and flushed it down the toilet.

Anger, childishness, petulance, hate--those are the last images people are going to have of his movement--because you couldn't be bothered to show an ounce of respect towards people who disagree with you.

You had a great responsibility to Sanders, to his voters, and yes to the party you pledged to support as a delegate.

And you failed everyone. Because you don't know anything other than to lash out if you don't get 100% of what you want.

Revolutions and activism need to be carried out by adults who know what they're doing. Letting adolescent amateurs carry the standard has predictable and catastrophic consequences.

[SummerSnow]

1. Is this the look of democratic party own tea party?

[JI7]

4. this is THE GOP TEA PARTY

[geek tragedy]

7. Green Tea is still Tea nt

[LostinRed]

29. Brilliant

[Roy Rolling]

39. Settle down, Beavis

People expressing their opinions loudly is a time-honored tradition. It means, mostly, that the Democratic Party may attempt an artificial party loyalty, but free-thinking people will have none of that.

It is part of the process.

[zonkers]

44. Yes.

[AllyCat]

46. I agree with Gwen Moore...this is how we protest

People are upset that the tables were weighted. Many of us who supported Bernie wonder if he could be the nominee knowing what has happened. People have a right to protest.

We must unite...but when there is wrongdoing, it really fuels anger in some.

I will still vote for HRC, but I am angry at the process that has led us to this.

[annavictorious]

65. Oh give it a rest.

These assholes spit in Sanders face today.

[AllyCat]

133. What say you after the convention?

Do you still refuse the right of people to be heard?

[stopbush]

152. You're not going to earn respect for Sanders' ideas by disrespecting

an icon like Elijah Cummings by shouting throughout his entire speech.

That level of disrespect - offered by a bunch of armchair revolutionaries - directed at a man who has walked the walk and personally bled for civil rights, does nothing but alienate potential allies.

No one was hurt more today by this disgusting behavior than was Sen Sanders.

[AllyCat]

163. People keep blaming him for the actions of a few.

People can speak out and it is frustrating knowing the deck was stacked. I don't blame them for being angry, but protests don't get any air if they stay in the prescribed area with the prescribed decibel level. They shouted during EVERY speaker up there. It was not a rant against Cummings. They were equal opportunity shouting. Hopefully they are done now that he has spoken.

[stopbush]

166. Well, there's the problem right there. A problem of perception.

Just how was the deck stacked against Sanders? It wasn't. No one should be surprised that people within the DNC preferred a lifelong D like Hillary over Bernie who had been openly disparaging of the Party for years. The question is whether the DNC acted in any way to disadvantage Sanders in the primaries. The existence of two e-mails out of 20,000 expressing negative opinions about Sanders hardly constitutes stacking the deck. But here we have some of Sanders' supporters - yourself included - who make a mountain out of a molehill and use said mountain as an excuse to disrespect - as you point out - EVERY speaker at the convention.

These protests were planned weeks in advance of the convention. You're using this molehill as justification for actions that would have taken place whether those two emails were revealed on Saturday or not. The BoB movement goes back months. Your stating as fact that the deck was stacked against Sanders is nothing more than straining to find an excuse for why Sanders lost. The accusation that this or that primary was rigged against Sanders was hauled out like clockwork after each Hillary victory. No one is surprised that you and other Sanders supporters would latch on to something as insignificant as this email dust up to prove to yourselves that every evil you could have imagined was true.

There was nothing noble in the disgusting behavior of these adolescent-minded protestors yesterday. Nothing at all.

[AllyCat]

167. The protests probably were planned. But you admit the emails are out

and the information they contain show that he was the target of collusion to keep him out instead of supported by a neutral entity.

[stopbush]

168. They prove nothing of the sort.

All they prove is that a few people within the DNC didn't like Sanders and expressed those feelings in email. There was no collusion at all. Indeed, no action was taken at all stemming from those emails.

[LiberalFighter]

178. They had to dig all the way to China to find 2 emails out of how many thousands?

It appears you are looking for any excuse to denigrate Hillary Clinton and the DNC.

[LiberalFighter]

176. Weighted how? If anything, Sanders had an advantage under DNC rules

that he would not have had under RNC rules.

[JudyM]

184. .

There are no words. This has been discussed so many times, there is legal action being taken, the media is even covering parts of it, and somehow you missed it.

[LiberalFighter]

187. Just because it has been discussed many times as you claim

and supposedly legal action taken and the media is covering parts of it doesn't make it so.

What it does mean is that it doesn't hold water. That you have read more into it then it really is. Geesh!

[JudyM]

192. Facts are facts and they are in the process of coming out. It is your choice to not see any of it.

I am not looking to litigate this here, just offering a view you are not seeing.

[LiberalFighter]

193. From what I have seen is being looked at the wrong way and the wrong data.

[annavictorious]

62. Today Sanders got booed by the mob he created, and his wife looked worried.

These aren't free thinking people. These aren't Democrats. These are assholes.

I'm not willing to accept assholes as part of the process at a Democratic convention.

Poor Senator Sanders. How must feel right now knowing that he let these assholes play him?

[billhicks76]

67. Get A Grip

Is beating Trump more important or calling disaffected progressives assholes more important to you. No wonder the party is divided. You have just as much a responsibility as them to unite everyone. You are failing just like they are. Typical food fight.

[AllyCat]

134. She told me to give it a rest.

I wonder if at is philosophically different from get a grip. You are so right. Cannot believe how many are STILL slamming ANYONE on this board who supported Sanders in the primary. They have no interest in finding common ground, only division. I will vote for Clinton, but not engage these jerks. Ignore is a nice thing.

[billhicks76]

136. I Agree...Take High Road And Ignore Jerk Instigators

Who knows who they really are anyway, right? It's the internet for Christ's sake.

[AllyCat]

138. Ignore is a beautiful thing.

I love Sanders and what he has brought to the process. I'm happy with many of the planks that made it to our platform, in part, because of him and the movement we created. I will support Clinton and ignore the people who continue to disrespect us. Peace Bill Hicks 76!

[True Dough]

179. This!

From billhicks76:

"Is beating Trump more important or calling disaffected progressives assholes more important to you. No wonder the party is divided. You have just as much a responsibility as them to unite everyone. You are failing just like they are. Typical food fight."

You nailed it.

[KewlKat]

101. Is there video of this? I just got home and am trying to catch up with the happenings.

thanks

[JudyM]

183. They were not booing him.

[tecelote]

157. +1!

[cactusfractal]

89. Stolen. n/t

[wildeyed]

120. Mic drop n/t

[AgadorSparticus]

148. brilliantly said!

[NurseJackie]

96. Correct.

[tallahasseedem]

8. Pretty much...

They are really part of the Green party...I don't know why they're here.

[MichiganVote]

13. This is the Bernie ME party.

[yeoman6987]

28. Something needs to be done

If everytime Hillary's name is mentioned they boo. That is not acceptable. If they boo senator warren of the First Lady then drastic action is needed.

[DURHAM D]

5. More likely Johnson supporters. nt

[JI7]

9. but they would take trump over Clinton

[billhicks76]

70. Huh?

You're comment could easily be interpreted as a coming from a republican trying to divide liberals.

[liberalnarb]

43. Racist? No. Fuckwads? Pretty much.

They're booing everyone. They're not racist, just stubborn.

[JI7]

49. racists boo white people also. like trump supporters who hate Clinton

[pangaia]

74. Glad you have manners. I almost did it also.

[redstatebluegirl]

3. They need to remove them. I don't think this is the majority of Bernie supporters but rather a smal

minority of them, most of the painfully young. The rule expecting decorum is there for a reason. You can't always get what you want people.

[redstatebluegirl]

11. We can only hope. They are also killing any power he had in the Senate.

[geek tragedy]

18. Sanders himself is all right.

the parade of Green Party saboteurs he attracted, they're the problem

[AllyCat]

140. He didn't ask them to come. They just showed up.

Don't blame him, his real supporters, or his movement for these people. We can hear their complaints. Now let's defeat Trump.

[JI7]

21. their revolution consists of hatred of Clinton and the dem party

[auntpurl]

79. THAT is the smartest thing I've read tonight.

They literally have nothing else. Just hatred of Hillary. They have no other positions, no other message. They are united in their violent, incoherent rage.

[reflection]

104. The part that I am conflicted about

Is that what you said doesn't sound at all different than what Paul Ryan said when the recent House sit-in went down. Protest is very American.

[bettyellen]

121. Protesting when the Dems went 2::1 to another candidate?

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I'm sorry that's not about policy it's sour grapes.

[TCJ70]

161. Ummm...wasn't the final count 44-56%?

That's not 2:1...

[bettyellen]

164. Nope - Dems went for HRC 65/35. Which is why

She will do fine in November.

[TCJ70]

173. Ah, the old "Sanders supporters aren't real Dems" thing...

...ok.

[bettyellen]

188. It's a statistic- registered Dems. Loads of Sanders people registered if they had to as well or were

Already Dems. Why do statistical facts sound insulting to you? Everybody brags about joke many Indie voters he brought in, but there's no discussion of the other stats? Seriously?

[Peacetrain]

12. I am not getting it at all.. for what purpose??

other than to destroy the Democratic candidate.. I don't get it..

[TwilightZone]

26. Attention.

The same thing some purported Sanders supporters on DU wanted all along. It was never about Sanders. It was about calling attention to themselves. They're the same ones who demanded that everyone kiss their asses before they'd even consider voting for Clinton, all the while having no intention of doing so. It was a small percentage of the whole, but they were very vocal. Some of them are still around.

I sincerely hope that they (and those throwing their little hissy fits at the convention) were never Sanders supporters to begin with and that they were/are mostly GOP infiltrators. The alternative is pretty disturbing, though the thought of infiltrators at our convention isn't much better.

[rjsquirrel]

31. Yep

Meet the new left, same as the old left.

[DemonGoddess]

145. ^^^This!!!

[RonniePudding]

14. Bigots

I knew it all along.

[NCTraveler]

15. K&R nt

[stopbush]

16. K & R

[GusBob]

19. I don't know why people are surprised

These are the same loud mouthed white privileged jerks we been seeing all Spring.

It's painful right now due to the overt racism, but yeah, it's been there all along

[John Poet]

20. So many alert-worthy posts in this thread.... how does one choose?

I don't hold with the behavior of some of the delegates--

and even less so with some of the behavior here...

[Sheepshank]

40. Well of course, it makes sense....

...you think the behavior here is worse than the assholes on the Convention floor. Your siggy line is still ajudicating the Primary.

[John Poet]

47. I turned my sigline back on, just for Bernie's speech today.

Then it'll disappear again.

I did not expect much disruption at the convention, maybe because I didn't personally want it to happen. However, the Wikileaks bomb makes it more understandable to me. Worst possible timing for the Clinton campaign...

[Sheepshank]

52. Yes...aid Trump because of emails that would not have made any difference to the outcome

Excuses

[John Poet]

59. The DNC and Hillary supporters who colluded all during the campaign,

have aided Trump much more than me showing my Bernie colors in recognition of his convention speech today.

And, I'm not aiding Trump.

[Sheepshank]

72. Sure...you go ahead and convince yourself

The reality is that in context the emails made absolutely no difference to the vote and who won.

But you and your ilk go ahead an sew all the hate and discord you want. It only confirms my opinions.

[John Poet]

84. Well, "opinions are like assholes"

and sometimes... well, never mind.

[Contrary1]

117. Ooh...they brought out the old "you and your ilk" thing.

Congrats on keeping it civil.

[John Poet]

118. It was a close thing.

[pangaia]

77. Poetically stated.

[billhicks76]

76. DU Isn't The Convention

There are rules here. You're not supposed to break them just because you're losing your mind over the convention.

[John Poet]

87. ^^ THIS! ^^

[ismnotwasm]

112. Pointing out a rather consistent hypocrisy

Is not "losing your mind"

Watching the death of a movement is actually kind of sad.

[etherealtruth]

22. Seriously ...AAs talking about civil rights were jeered and booed ....?

Its not that I don't believe you .... it that I don't want to believe you

[etherealtruth]

32. Oh dear God .... I feel embarrassed for our party

WTF?

[etherealtruth]

38. i hope not ... unfortunately there are racist democrats

.... and the primary emboldened them to speak

[John Poet]

53. Sort of like how the Wikileaks email dump took the worst stereotypes about the DNC and

Hillary supporters, and proved them to be true?


That said, I don't hold with delegates disrupting speakers at the convention. However, I think the email dump and its timing has caused some emotions to overload past the boiling point, among the Bernie delegates who are all "true believers". It's quite understandable.

[xocet]

69. ...Or they were attempting to hold the platform committee chairman accountable for his vote...

The Democratic Party establishment and Sec. Clinton's campaign staff need to step back and examine what has led to Trump's popularity and Sanders' popularity. If they do not unite with Sanders' message more fully and more convincingly, it is very possible that Sec. Clinton will lose the election.

Democrats Prioritize Party Unity Over Including Stand Against TPP In Platform
Kevin Gosztola - 25 June 2016


Members of the Democratic National Convention Platform Committee shot down an attempt to include specific opposition to the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) trade deal in the platform, despite the fact that both Democratic presidential candidates have taken positions against the TPP.

The attempt failed because members appointed by Hillary Clinton and DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz claimed it was improper to oppose the TPP when President Barack Obama fervently believes in the agreement. However, by putting party unity before taking a firm stand against the trade agreement, the door was left open for Clinton to go back to supporting the TPP, which was the case when she was secretary of state.

...

Even platform committee chair, Representative E.J. Cummings, chose to vote against the resolution. He, too, bragged about not voting for trade agreements.

“I don’t want to do anything as he ends his term to undercut the president of the United States. I’m just not going to do it. And that’s where I stand,” Cummings proclaimed. “It wouldn’t bother me. It would be a harder decision if the language that we have in the document did not already go to what we feel going forward. But in his last six months, I’m not going to do that. So, that’s where I stand.”

...

https://shadowproof.com/2016/06/25/democrats-prioritize-party-unity-including-stand-tpp-platform/

Of course, one may malign and belittle these people as much as one desires. The question remains whether one wants their votes enough to try to get them on board with Sec. Clinton.

This is where the Democratic Party establishment and the supporters of Sec. Clinton actually need to work to earn the unity that will give Sec. Clinton a chance to win the election.

[geek tragedy]

71. no, they were just being intolerant assholes who weren't properly socialized by their parents

their lack of interest in hearing a black man talk about civil rights is not accidental I'm going to guess

[xocet]

137. This is the part where unity is earned by both sides. n/t

[radical noodle]

109. They did the right thing

The platform is symbolic and doesn't control what anyone does or doesn't do.

[pnwmom]

23. They're also sending the message that all the R's AND half the Dems hate Hillary.

We know that's not true, but that's how it would appear from this convention. And it's a lie because most of the people who voted for Bernie are supporting Hillary now -- unlike the haters we're seeing on TV.

[auntpurl]

85. Exactly.

It is appalling. I am ashamed and furious.

[TeamPooka]

25. Apparently it's the French Revolution. nt

[BeyondGeography]

27. Well said...no presidential candidate with half a brain will go near them for years to come

[apcalc]

30. As an old teacher of mine would say

" They are rude, crude , common , and vulgar.

Interrupting, booing, chanting...while someone is speaking....boorish and unacceptable.

[SaschaHM]

33. I don't think it's dead just yet....

If they boo Michelle Obama tonight when she endorses Clinton on national television, yeah it's done.

[auntpurl]

86. Oh, if they boo Michelle

I am literally getting on a plane and coming over there to hurt someone.

[Thinkingabout]

35. If this is their attempt to promote Johnson or Stein, it will backfire.

They can take their oligarchy and go home or as was said in Seattle about the BLM, "Arrest them". Set up hearings next week for their bond hearings.

[Blue Idaho]

51. No - this is their attempt to convince Superdeligates

That they need to vote for Bernie instead of Hillary. That's also the point of the street protests. Not my words - theirs.

[Thinkingabout]

66. They have assured me all the super delegates who have endorsed Hillary

Is in the right direction. Hillary has the most pledged delegates already, even Sanders knows it is over, if I was a super delegate the disrespect they have shown those who have spoken so far would change my vote if I had endorsed Sanders to Hillary.

[R B Garr]

36. Totally agree. They have made themselves irrelevant.

The indulgent selfie crowd is just about out of audiences. It's over.

[Hekate]

37. Tell us how you really feel, geek! Actually, thanks for tellng it like it is.

This is an awful spectacle.

[fishwax]

41. no, i doubt that. this has been raucous, but that isn't a bad thing

Some of the behavior today has moved into ridiculous territory, but this is a raucous and energetic convention that will launch the ticket and party forward.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

42. Greenbaggers have their own party. Let them boo / cheer at their own convention. . . nt

[B Calm]

45. Democracy can look ugly, but that's the beauty of the USA.

[reflection]

80. Best post in the thread. n/t

[auntpurl]

94. Oh really?

Democrats booing, chanting, jeering, and screaming over a civil rights icon as he discussed his father and his heritage, BLM and women's rights? That's beautiful to you?

Disgusting.

[AllyCat]

139. Yup.

[DinahMoeHum]

48. "See, this is why no one lets you make the plans."

- from The Hunger Games: Catching Fire (Haymitch speaking to Katniss)

Totally concur with you, GT.

Thing is, they think the universe revolves around them, with their smartphones, hipster outfits, tech-geek jobs, etc.
Trouble is, they don't get out more and actually talk to people outside their bubble.

Fuck 'em. They ain't making anything happen anyway. Let them learn the hard way.

There are far more Hillary supporters within the Democrats than them. She's now going after the Independents and those Republicans who don't want TrumpleThinSkin around.

[retrowire]

50. geek tragedy are you serious?

The movement is fine.

berniecrats.net

Voting for progressive downticket candidates is still the mission and it's still happening.

Worry not!

[giftedgirl77]

54. Lol, you didn't see this coming?

[Cha]

55. Over Kill.

[lastone]

56. Utter tripe

Blame DWS and the DNC (and the HRC campaign if they also conspired with them) for the mess THEY made, if the shoe were on the other foot surly every HRC supporter would be doing the same damn thing...

[billhicks76]

91. Yeah But Calling Them Racists?

You're backslapping buddies just said that? Kinda makes you lose credibility just like the hecklers. You really want to convince us that idealists who hold tight to their beliefs about social and environmental justice are racist because they oppose the establishment? Sure it's rude. Sure it's maybe the wrong time and place. Sure it's immature. But the piling on and labeling them racists deflates those corrects positions on your part because it just looks like more infighting. Do Hillary a favor and stay positive instead of whining about the protestors mistakes. You need to take the high road so we can get people to support Hilkary beating Trump.

[Loki Liesmith]

61. No. People have to own their bullshit

Cummings had nothing to do with DWS

[Philly-Union-Man]

57. This is the problem I had with OWS.

They weren't rational. We should have taken the party over from the bottom up back then and we'd be looking at nominee Bernie right now. But these people are short sighted, all or nothing "right fucking now!" fanatics.

[beachbumbob]

60. If making sanders look impotent as a leader...some of his supporters

Proved it...

[Sheepshank]

75. "Whoop" there it is.

[billhicks76]

97. Is This Fun For You

Let's focus on beating Trump. This isn't a game. Some of us could end up with a very bad fate if Trump wins. You probably don't understand how afraid we are.

[Sheepshank]

126. I'm not scared, I'm fucking pissed at those Bernie Delegates on the floor

Hijacking the DEMOCRATIC Convention, and using that platform to chant shit, over and over while worthy speakers cannot get their original thoughts said. Drowning out good decent humans to shove a message down the throats of the majority that did not vote for him. Don't be scared, get out the vote and do something.

[billhicks76]

135. You Dont Know What Youre Talking About

And telling me to do something and vote, Sheepshank??? Ive been doing that for 30 years...organizing, campaigning and putting my all into it always. Please dont be condescending. I save my vitriol for Trump...not democrats or liberals I disagree with. Scared? I live in a different reality than you...many I know would be targets of Trump...the kind that get put in camps or jails.

[Sheepshank]

169. you went on the attack...you don't know jack about me, decided you did and attacked.

creating the noble screed after the unwarranted attack makes that screed even more useless.

[Blue Idaho]

64. Bernie didn't start a movement he started a tantrum

I'm not blaming him - he seriously underestimated a maturity of many of his followers.

[comradebillyboy]

95. I blame him, he has encouraged this behavior

for the last six months. I watched his surrogate call Hillary a corporate whore from the stage at one of his NY rallies. He was perfectly OK with the Nevada riot. He has fostered this sort of hate for his entire campaign.

[mountain grammy]

68. Wow, reading this thread made me think I stumbled on the RNC comment section..

calm down people, a few protesters being rude. We're Democrats, we can deal with it. Some of the comments here are worse. When the hall is full, they'll be drowned out. It's not Marcia Fudge's or Elijah Cumming's first convention, they know this. They've seen far worse.

[JusticeForAll]

102. I am sorry your attitude is such, especially toward fellow Democrats

My perspective from the DNC floor as a Bernie delegate is that the schedule of speakers and voting is totally wrong. The vote for the nominee should be held prior to any guest speaker, or especially the Chair or other DNC official implies who the nominee will be, regardless of whether we ALL know who the nominee will be. The continual mentioning of the presumed nominee prior to an actual vote perpetuates the resentfulness and negative attitude toward the system. Be neutral until the vote....AND after the vote....then yay - we can all be officially for Hillary!

P.S. Instead of shouting bernie or hillary, i am shouting DEMOCRATS! I hope you can enjoy the convention in spite of the raucous Berners who want and fight for a fair democracy.

Cheers and onward to November!

[geek tragedy]

116. This is how every convention goes when it's clear who won the voting.

Obama ran the 2008 convention and picked all of the speakers, and was officially nominated after a couple of days.

The convention is there to rubber stamp the voters and promote the nominee. Not to actually pick the nominee--that's done by the voters.

[procon]

100. They may, indeed, have seen far worse in their lifetime,

but the people who opposed them in the past, just like Sanders protestors at the convention, were never on the side of equality, fairness or justice. Then as now, those who tried to silence one of the Democrats most revered heroes, were only interested in themselves.

[CentralMass]

78. Elijah Cummings is a class guy fighting the good fight.

[geek tragedy]

81. I agree nt

[ramapo]

83. I think they missed out on the lesson of Ralph Nader

Smart move. Let Hillary, the decent democrat be the enemy of the 'perfect' Bernie Sanders who had about zero chance of being elected and even less of a chance of implementing his promises.

Hold your breath, stamp you feet. Go ahead and show her, vote for Trump or don't vote at all. Then when you wake up one day and Dictator Trump is taking the country to authoritarian land, you can be happy that your last vote 'meant something'.

[FloriTexan]

88. Doubtful

This is what happens when you mess around with people's votes.

[Scalded Nun]

90. Looking down your nose is not very pretty

You got 100% of what you wanted and did not care how you got it.

With this much hate among the 'winners' I'd hate to see what it looks like were they to be losers.

[GeorgeGist]

92. Jumping to conclusions, before Bernie speeks ...

seems unfair.

[comradebillyboy]

99. Those are his people, what are we to think?

[jtuck004]

93. Just fyi - I am near his age, and if he wants to have another movement, he just needs to go sit down

and think about it.

It might take some time, but it will happen if it is supposed to.

[NurseJackie]

98. Benefiber.

[jtuck004]

114. Yup. :)

There is always something else to do.

“The best thing for being sad,” replied Merlin, beginning to puff and blow, “is to learn something. That’s the only thing that never fails. You may grow old and trembling in your anatomies, you may lie awake at night listening to the disorder of your veins, you may miss your only love, you may see the world about you devastated by evil lunatics, or know your honour trampled in the sewers of baser minds. There is only one thing for it then — to learn. Learn why the world wags and what wags it. That is the only thing which the mind can never exhaust, never alienate, never be tortured by, never fear or distrust, and never dream of regretting. Learning is the only thing for you. Look what a lot of things there are to learn.”
― T.H. White, The Once and Future King

[AllyCat]

141. Another nasty response to an honorable man who just made a great case for Clinton

Really. People that make comments like this are as bad as the ones out there booing. Or was this just a way for you to take a swipe at Sanders?

[jtuck004]

146. Lol. Swipe at Sanders. Now that's funny. n/t

[procon]

103. So, will Bernie get shouted down, or booed off the stage by his own fans? nt

[ismnotwasm]

105. K&R

[Spitfire of ATJ]

106. LOL!!!

That's right folks!!!

Bernie is pure evil and his supporters are going to vote for Trump!

I heard it on the news!

[jalan48]

107. Not really, anymore than the DNC killed the centrist,corporate wing of the Party with the emails.

[Cryptoad]

108. The way its going on ,,,,,

the floor of the Convention right now with Bernie or Bust crowd..... they will boo Hillary off the stage,,,,,, this shit will cost us 25 pts in the polls,,,,not much time until Nov to make that much up...... shameful! Did I mention how Trump's shit eating grin is getting bigger and bigger abt this

[byronius]

110. I was a strong Bernie supporter until he refused to call for civil behavior from the hardcores.

Perfect example of how a grinding primary battle eventually reveals true character -- the endless vitriol was effing bizarre, ridiculous, counterproductive, STUPID, and a man I held up as the best possible civil servant refused to speak up against it. He just let that shit roll out like it was real and not mental illness expressed through politics.

It was a devastating mistake, in my opinion. I'm glad he's at long last calling for civility from his supporters -- but the strident boos and accusations of being a sellout are now aimed at him. I continue to believe that had he taken a stand early on this issue and ruthlessly enforced a standard of civil discourse at every turn he might have lost a few crazies but kept people like me in his camp and actually pulled this thing out.

I learned a lot in the last year. A great deal. Things I'll never forget.

I have never hated Hillary, not ever, period. And to that small but very vocal percentage of my fellow Sanders supporters that was equivalent to parading around with a baby on a pitchfork.

Fuck that shit. The imperfect is not the enemy of the good. We're all imperfect, even Bernie.

[ecstatic]

115. +1000.nt

[auntpurl]

119. Great post, thank you.

[bettyellen]

123. Agree with you a hundred percent, he could have been an influence and let it all

Get taken over by crazy talk and ugliness.

[Haveadream]

149. Perfectly said

Thank you

[Starry Messenger]

165. Great post.

[duncang]

111. I saw a woman with tape over her mouth.

Mad she had been "silenced". But that is exactly what some in the crowd were doing to the speakers. They are trying to silence them by drowning them out. This is not why I supported Bernie. I will still support Bernie's causes, just not the route some are using there.

[ecstatic]

113. *Just* killed it? No. They're the reason the movement never gained traction.

I had an open mind at various points but some of his supporters made it impossible for me to join his camp.

[eastwestdem]

122. So true.

[MellowDem]

124. You don't get it...

The anger that is being expressed, some of it pretty poorly, has always been there and will always be there, and it's not Sander's movement or revolution, it's just anger at an unequal system. The Democratic Party isn't adequately addressing it, and many of the powerful and privileged political elite are all about perpetuating it. At best, many people understand the Democratic Party is the better alternative, but it ain't much beyond that, and that's the issue.

All of your criticisms of them are incredibly condescending and part of the problem. More than that, activism is indeed carried out by "amateur activists" all the time. And it can take literally hundreds of years for the message and activism on any issue to find its footing. Your criticisms could be word for word what I've seen of the BLM movement, and it will be just as constructive.

[Haveadream]

150. Why would you think fellow Dems do not understand about an "unequal system"?

We do get it and always have. It is a harsh fact of life for the majority of women and minorities, all of whom are arguably more impacted by the existence of a powerful and privileged political elite. Having our progress or rights with the Dem Party treated as "ain't much" is a serious threat. The Dem Party isn't just a slightly better alternative, it is a massively, life changing, no comparison to the GOP better alternative for us. We get it that those differences in circumstances "ain't much" to many of the people in the movement. The push back you see in terms of Party loyalty comes not from our misunderstanding but yours.

[MellowDem]

162. I think the OP doesn't get fellow Dems...

no need to twist my words and make a strawman. The "movement" that Sanders represents to many has always been there and will always be there, and it's not going away. It's ideas about what make for a better society, and some of it conflicts with the Democraric Party. Fellow Dems will differ on how much they think their leaders should be held accountable and how they should be held accountable versus how much people should bite the bullet, and that will always be a debate, but the movement isn't going away, and that's what the OP doesn't get.

The Democratic Party is better than the GOP, but unfortunately, many comparisons CAN be made, on trade agreements without worker protections, on wars abroad, on corporate lobbying, on financial regulation, on the justice system, on election reform, on education, on healthcare, on Social Security... these issues that are part of what drive the unequal system and where the Democratic Party is often times very similar to the GOP, or way too similar for comfort. That will drive criticism going forward until there is change, and that isn't going away.

[Haveadream]

171. The problem is not anger at an unequal system

It is that the substance the arguments leaves out minorities and women and disregards issues that are specific to them. A prime demonstration of that is the fact that having had that just explained to you, you replied with a recitation of ills that addressed those issues not once. And no, problems specific to minority groups and women are not subsumed by the issues on your list.

Furthermore, characterizing the Dem position on the justice system, healthcare, education, environment, election reform and social security as the same as the GOP's is simply false and causes those who are uninformed to make insane decisions like voting for Jill Stein. If you agree with Senator Sanders, are you even listening to him imploring people not to make that ghastly mistake?

The problem is not the "anger" towards a system, it is the fact that it has been misdirected towards minorities, women and the organizations that support them who deserve the highest degree of support rather than attack. If people are repeatedly telling you they experience the way the movement is dealing with their "cause" and "anger" as damaging to them, it would behoove you to listen because women and minorities are not going away either.

As for the point the OP is trying to make, the deaf ears you experience from the PTB and "elite" is exactly what minorities and women experience from the movement. The "revolution" absolutely needs those millions of people and one of the reasons it lost them is because of its constant failure to address those flaws and inadequacies. That will continue to drive the criticism of the movement going forward and until there is change, it isn't going away.

[MellowDem]

172. The "movement"

I'm talking about are progressives in general. The party is becoming more liberal, and it's certainly not just young white Bernie supporters, but many people feel he represented the policies of part of the progressive ideal in ways few nominees have in a long time in the party. The US is not a very progressive country. And there is disagreement on how to move forward. Many progressives think exactly what you say of the Bernie or Busters, and I agree with it, but that progressive section of the party isn't going away, and there is a vocal portion that will continue trying to push the Democrats to the left.

The Democratic position on many parts of those issues is indeed similar (not the same), and in some cases the same, as the GOP, these are big areas where some progressives see a lot of overlap between the parties, unlike gender issues, or specific minority issues, where the difference is much more stark. And that is where some progressives will focus and push Democrats. Ignoring or downplaying the overlap is expected when trying to get unity, but it's there.

It's not surprising to me that different demographic groups have different priorities, but the progressive movement in the Democratic Party will keep growing regardless, and amateur activists have always been a part of the process. I don't think progressives are united at all, I think the stark racial divides in support for candidates reflect part of that, and don't think that's easy to do, especially in a two party system, but they aren't going anywhere, and they aren't new either. Progressives will reflect the same segregation, divides, and misunderstandings of society in general, and any united progressive movement would have to address all of those issues first.

[jonestonesusa]

185. Great comments.

Nice to see some on point thinking in these threads full of screeds.

[eastwestdem]

125. It's the only thing any pundit will be talking about for the rest of tonight and tomorrow morning.

[The empressof all]

127. ROFL.....Oh My....Drama Much

I certainly don't support their behavior but they certainly got a few people watching and listening who probably would have been turned to the shopping channel. Sometimes a little Drama and Negativity can be an enticement for those rubberneckers!

It's going to be OK

Lot's of my Crazy Conservative family members have turned in to see a fiasco...and have been remarking on facebook how good Booker and Michelles speeches were.

It's all gonna be fine!

[ReRe]

128. And you made this summation...

... a big hour and a half into the day's program?

I, for one, now at 11:25 PM, Bernie just finishing up with his speech, believe that all-on-all it was a beautiful day.

Your negativism is showing, geek.

[onecaliberal]

129. 14 million people vote for him, these people are NOT significant.

[geek tragedy]

130. let's hope not, the boo-birds are getting more press than Elizabeth Warren

and Bernie Sanders himself.

[onecaliberal]

132. Thankfully most people don't watch cable news. They're going way overboard

That things are going wrong.

[auntpurl]

182. Well, the contentious convention was the top story in both BBC and The Guardian this AM.

So I don't think it's just cable news. The optics were terrible. The overarching message coming out of the convention from yesterday was disunity, disharmony, and disorganisation.

[JaneyVee]

153. And 90% of them back Hillary.

The rest can stay home like they do every election.

[hollowdweller]

131. Seems like you overeacted

Seems like it all turned out ok at the end of the day.

[glennward]

142. Bernie's movement is an important historical movement and we should appreciate it

no matter how some of his supporters turn us off.

[Hekate]

143. The day ended so differently, didn't it? Bernie rose above his own followers, far above.

I feel relief. And after listening to Warren, Booker, Sanders, and Michelle -- I feel joy as well.

[The Second Stone]

144. You cannot kill an idea, however loathesome or brilliant

and you cannot stop an idea whose time has come. The time for the end of Trump, the Moscovian Candidate, is at hand. Won't support our NATO allies? That needs to be pointed out a million times.

[Gothmog]

147. There are some real bernie or bust types

I was at convention and these idiots hurt their cause

[highprincipleswork]

151. Nobody ruins any long term movement by one behavioral output, so how bout you calm yourself, and

get to work like the rest of us for positive Progressive change?

[JaneyVee]

154. K AND R!

[Blue_Tires]

155. k+r

[Lil Missy]

156. I can barely contain my contempt for these ... jerks. n/t

[quaker bill]

158. does all the pearl clutching wear you out?

So it is not a flawless perfect coronation. People are speaking their minds. It is just not as big as you suggest. Relax, things will be fine.

[Shankapotomus]

159. This is just as bad as their over-the-top passion

Don't be so hard on yourselves.

While damage was done, it is not so much that the party won't forgive it.

There's an election still to win. Let's unify and move forward.

[Demsrule86]

160. I agree completely.

Sad because I had hope for this movement.

[harun]

170. First world problems

[TheKentuckian]

174. You are dead wrong, the world is passing you by.

These issues are bigger than any candidate or any election.

The only end for this movement is victory or the collapse of civilization or maybe even beyond that the death of humanity otherwise great things continue to be afoot.

[geek tragedy]

175. you think having white punks jeer Elijah Cummings

while he was talking about his sharecropper parents is going to help expand the demographic appeal of the Sanders movement?

[bigtree]

195. you have to wonder

...what jeering and heckling Cummings and Fudge is supposed to accomplish.

It points up the mindless destructiveness of this rudderless revolution against our party. Disrespecting reps like Cummings (my congressman) and Fudge, just represents an affront to people like me. You won't get anywhere by alienating these folk's constituencies. You'd think losing the primary election would clue them in.

I really don't believe these people are actually Democrats. Hell. even Sanders is returning to the Senate as an independent.

[Dems2002]

177. As if

This is such ridiculous hyperbole. Clearly it is what you desperately hope for, but if you believe that young people passionate about making progressive changes are bad for this country you are clearly a lost cause.

People aren't always nice and polite. We are filled with embarrassing traits. I don't run for the smelling salts though, I dig in and fight for what I believe in.

And I believe in the Sanders Revolution as not one individual. It's never been about just Bernie, which is why he too got booed. It's about changing the face of politics to serve the masses that you clearly despise.

I'm in it for the long haul. I'm also voting for Hillary this election. But I'm not throwing away passionate young voices even if they behave in a manner that I wouldn't. They care passionately about this country and want to see us do better. So do I.

[Stellar]

180. I supported Sanders in the Primary...but some of the Bernie Bros sound like whiny little kids.

Or another name for them would be Tbaggers, part 2.

Sarah Silverman:

“To the Bernie or bust voters: You’re being ridiculous,”

Bernie bros want to take their ball and go home if they can't have their way, they sound more like Trumpsters than Bernie bros. They could give a f**k about anybody else, the game is over kids! Grow-up.

[MadDAsHell]

181. "Revolutions and activism need to be carried out by adults who know what they're doing."

Uh...what world are you living in? When's the last revolution that was carried out by such people? Revolution is destructive, hectic, upheaval, etc.

You're describing politics.

[sheshe2]

186. K&R

[DisgustipatedinCA]

189. You don't get to define terms and conditions.

You get to state your opinion, just like the rest of us.

[geek tragedy]

190. Okay, how about what this guy from Vermont wrote?

“Our credibility as a movement will be damaged by booing, turning of backs, walking out or other similar displays,” Sanders wrote. “That’s what the corporate media wants. That’s what Donald Trump wants. But that’s not what will expand the progressive movement of this country.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-delegates_us_579687cbe4b02d5d5ed299eb

[DisgustipatedinCA]

194. Nice, but it doesn't make your flat assertion any more true.

And it doesn't confer any special authority to you.

[geek tragedy]

196. I'm on the same side as Bernie for the general election.

I'm enjoying the irony.

[Eleanors38]

191. Umm, I doubt it. It's bigger than Sanders. And Clinton.

[Barack_America]

197. Sanders delegates killed populism?

[geek tragedy]

198. Nothing says populism like a bunch of college kids

demanding a participation trophy.

[Rex]

199. Wrong.