As a Bernie supporter, I apologize for the crazies among us

[democrattotheend]

I just got into an argument with 2 nasty Bernie or Bust people who, despite their professed support for Bernie, felt he deserves to be booed for endorsing Hillary. They said they were voting for Jill and walked away haughtily before I could respond. These people don't speak for Bernie, they don't speak for me, and they don't speak for the vast majority of us who support Bernie.

[sarae]

1. Thank you.

I just want you to know that your support is really appreciated and it's definitely helping to calm my anxiety.

[auntpurl]

10. This, every word.

Every single word. This OP was like a breath of fresh air.

democrattotheend, thank you. Just thank you.

[bjobotts]

161. 90% of Bernie supporters are voting for Hillary according to MSNBC. Your experience was minimal

Most Bernie supporters are just not all that enthused because with the addition of Kaine and the policies he supported the ticket is just not progressive enough. Merkley or Warren or just any progressive would have been better but what we have is a DLC moderate corporatist ticket but still miles above the alternative. I just hope we can encourage them to move left and stand for what the people claim they want according to the polls.
Were those the only 2 Bernie supporters you ran into? What about all the other ones who are like you? Did you post about them...noooo...just the negative crap. Now I don't know if I can eve believe you. Could be you're just making the whole thing up

[sarae]

167. What are you responding to?

You're responding to a post in which I said, simply "Thank you." I didn't mention any Bernie supporters anywhere.

[liberalmike27]

187. Don't Hate the Player

Hate the corrupt game.

Seriously, I can't believe people are mad at those of us who are justifiably made about being screwed continuously for six months by the DNC and Debbie screwing our campaign.

[Urchin]

189. No surprise there.

If you've been screwed continuously for six months, why should you find it hard to believe that people who support the screwers would be mad at you for objecting?

[OKNancy]

2. thank God and the Goddess

and thank you too!

[itsrobert]

3. Unity Hug

[we can do it]

4. Thank you - I voted Bernie in primary. This election is too important for ego voting.

[Pluvious]

156. Same here !

It's even worse than what happened with Ralph Nadir and Bush.

It's the next appointments to the SCOTUS, our relations with the World,
and our sanity and survival at home.

It's shocking to see that the Right doesn't have a monopoly on cognitive dissonance...

[calimary]

164. And guess what's gonna get ALL the coverage tonight and tomorrow morning?

Especially since Bernie speaks this evening.

I must admit - I'm pretty upset about this. Hopefully, it's just July.

My husband just piped up with "well, Trump must be LAUGHING." I'm just shaking my head over this.

[Renaissance Man]

5. I agree.

As a fellow Bernie supporter, I wholeheartedly agree with you. Before watching the RNC train wreck last week, I was hell bent on voting for Jill Stein. Sure, she shares my views and I'm much more politically aligned with her than I am with Hillary Clinton, and I live in a solidly red state that that has no hope of going for Hillary in the general election. However, last week, after seeing that Nuremberg rally on full display in Cleveland, I knew that my vote had to go for Hillary. I want to be counted in the popular vote of people in this country who said "Hell No!" to fascism when it appeared on a ballot.

Booing Bernie because he endorsed Hillary and, to boot, promising a vote for a third-party or Donald Trump at this stage is counterproductive to everything Bernie wants in the revolution. We clean up this mess and we defeat the fascism FIRST. Then, we can get back to the Revolution and pushing for what we all want.

[Euphoria]

7. +1,0000. Exactly.

When fascism rears its ugly head, all opposed have to work together. Together.

[Wounded Bear]

14. Quoting myself from below....

Bernie will get much more done as a Senate Committee Chairman in a Hillary Clinton administration than he will as a ranking member in a Trump regime.

[auntpurl]

16. It is literally, LITERALLY like voting against Hitler.

I don't give a crap about Godwin's Law. This is what this IS. You will be able to look yourself in the eye and say, "I did everything I could to prevent fascism's rise in my own country."

Thank you for your vote and your thoughtfulness and care for what will happen to the country and the WORLD if Trump is elected.

[JudyM]

28. It is not literally, nor figuratively like voting for Hitler. Hitler created industrialized murder

on a mass scale. TRump is dangerous, but he is no Hitler, and to suggest he is is to literally minimize the scope and scale of what Hitler did. We shouldn't get carried away with false equivalencies in our enthusiasm to defeat him.

[auntpurl]

38. I disagree completely.

I take Trump in context. In the context of the Brexit vote, of the rise of far-right fascists in France, Hungary, Poland, Slovakia, and many other European countries. His coziness with Putin, his bald statement that he would take us out of NATO. His supporters' frothing zeal for kicking Muslims and Mexicans out of the country, their violent hatred and rage. How far is that from detaining them, imprisoning them? I really am not trying to either speak in hyperbole OR minimise what Hitler did. I am quite serious when I say it could happen in America. We detained the Japanese in their thousands in horrible conditions during WWII. Germany was a democracy before and after the wars.

This is how it starts, and everyone says, "Oh don't compare it to THAT, it won't be THAT bad". Lobsters in a pot as the water slowly comes to a boil.

[JudyM]

46. Hitler did far, far more than "detain and imprison" people. You might want to read up on the

widespread and positively grotesque institutionalized torture and murders.

[auntpurl]

48. I am not saying it's already happened, I'm saying this is how it STARTS.

Read this.

I know all about what happened in WWII. I live in Europe and have done for a number of years now. It's far fresher here than it is at home in the US, I can tell you that.

[Grey Lemercier]

112. this! ^^^^^^^^^^

It's a long, slow road to fascism, but we are on that road with a Trump presidency.

[Craig234]

150. Well, then why not go back and call for killing trump when he was a child

I mean, that's how it starts.

As terrible as trump is, you have no way to claim he will do anything close to what Hitler did.

'This is how it starts'. Hitler had already done a lot worse at this point than trump, with the 'brownshirts' and violence.

Criticize trump accurately - for the good of defeating him. You cannot say trump will repeat the Holocaust.

[jack_krass]

172. This. Trump is a proto-fascist and/or populist/nationalist.

Comparison to Hitler is ridiculous, not to mention a violation of Goodwin's law

[LiberalFighter]

62. When he has stated that he could "shoot somebody and not lose voters"

that would be the mindset of a Hitler.

[Craig234]

152. No, it wouldn't.

Hitler's crimes were not saying he had such loyal supporters he could shoot someone and keep their support.

Hitler owned a dog. Obama owns a dog. Do the math, according to your absurd equalizing.

[LiberalFighter]

171. Your math doesn't add up.

[Craig234]

178. That was my point

I gave an example where it doesn't add up to show that trump's statement doesn't add up to him being the same as Hitler.

[sarae]

55. How do you know Trump's not like that?

People didn't think Hitler was, either. I don't want to take that chance.

[JudyM]

71. Germany at that point in time was a far, far different place than the US is now. If you think we

would tolerate mass murdering our citizens, I don't even know what to say to you.

[auntpurl]

82. What makes you think we would have ANY choice in the matter?

These people (Trump supporters) are both crazy AND heavily armed. And Trump would be the CIC of the military. And the media is complicit. It COULD be normalised. It is possible. It could happen in America.

[sarae]

94. I didn't think we might elect a white supremacist for president, either.

As someone who's not white, I don't want to take that chance.

[calimary]

146. And don't forget the religious extremist on the ticket with him.

Mike Pence is a fanatic would bring us the closest in our history to Sharia law. CHRISTIAN-style Sharia law. Especially since what Kasich reported - about being hit up to be his running mate: that the VP job in a Trump administration would be the most powerful Vice Presidency EVER, because the Vice President would be put in charge of running domestic AND foreign policy. In other words, and this was a quote - the parts of the job "that he doesn't want to do." Oh great. And there's something else that bothers me about that, too: the parts of the job "that he doesn't want to do"???????????" So, Donald, you're applying for a really big important job that has include some parts that you DON'T WANT TO DO?????????????????????? The quote, if I recall correctly, is from one of Trump's sons, who now denies he said it. Figures. From the "apple doesn't fall far from the tree" department.

The "creative destruction" crowd, like Susan Sarandon and others who think that maybe four years of Donald Trump would be worth suffering through to get to critical mass on revolution just completely slay me. They REALLY, SERIOUSLY believe that? How'd their support of Ralph Nader work out for them?

All I can say after watching this circus this morning, is that I'm damn glad this is happening in July, when there are still months left to the campaign and November's still off in the distance, and there's time to recover.

A Trump/Pence win would swiftly become "the gift that keeps on shivving." As in, sticking a shiv straight into our backs. And pulling it out, while twisting. And then plunging it in again.

Sorry about all the ?s and the caps, but that's the volume, pitch, and velocity of my feelings about this. I know what would happen if I applied for a job but said I didn't want to do some of its parts that make up the job. Yeah, I wanna be a reporter, but I don't want to have to schlep out however far it is to cover some story, or pay for gas, or try to find parking, or have to sit around and set up my mic and/or camera, and do the research beforehand, read the handouts at the venue, know who and what it is about. I just want the parts where I'm on camera. Can I have the job? I'm gonna make the broadcast great again. I'd be laughed all the way to the opposite coast.

[sarae]

188. Agreed. Mike Pence scares the shit out of me, too.

Trump or Pence by themselves are bad enough. Together?

[shireen]

207. did the bad behavior by Sanders delegates happen earlier today?

Was it during prime time or earlier in the coverage? I started watching around 8pm on C-Span -- heard a little booing but the cheers were generally drowning them out.

What did I miss?

[Grey Lemercier]

139. Scenario.

1 year into a Trump presidency there are simultaneous Cobalt 60 (takes an incredibly small amount to do this and easier to get then you think)
http://fas.org/spp/starwars/crs/RS21528.pdf

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/elements/features/2010/blogging_the_periodic_table/cobalt_it_makes_the_dirtiest_of_dirty_bombs.html

http://www.packworld.com/sterilization-methods-medical-device-packaging

http://thebulletin.org/lessons-mexican-theft

radiological dirty bomb terrorist attacks in Atlanta and Boston (ISIL with aid from North Korean sleeper units) .

100 thousand plus dead from radiation poisoning in a short to long term window. The downtown areas rendered uninhabitable for decades.

Marshall law invoked, massive ME retaliation (which spirals ups to region wide battle arenas and thus swells ISIL ranks), and over the next months hundreds, maybe thousands of muslims killed by vigilante mobs. Then another attack, even bigger, with mini civil wars break out in Detroit, Minneapolis, New York, and other muslim heavy areas. Think multiple Kristallnachts.

You take it from there.............

[JudyM]

170. Widespread panic is not the same as *a leader* who creates massive torture, mass gassing, mass

firing squads... All without trial.

I don't think so. Anything is possible, no doubt, but tRump is not Hitler and the US would not be an environment, even under the extreme conditions you posit, where the government would engage in mass scale executions.

[Grey Lemercier]

184. you missed the pont, my scenario was only the beggining to a rise to that type of power

and results. It would never get to mass gasser levels as well. But it could go to levels beyond what I already posted. I am not a great fiction writer. I just tossed out a possible but unlikely scenario that would put us on the road to a fascist, violent outcome.

[brett_jv]

222. Just for future reference ... and not to be the spelling police ...

I say this in as constructive a manner as possible ... it will help, if you want to be taken seriously when talking about such subjects, to know that the word is 'Martial', not 'Marshall'.

[maddiemom]

227. Yes! That always bothers me too.

I've just gotten tired of correcting it.

[ProfessorPlum]

225. Please read

https://m.reddit.com/r/EnoughTrumpSpam/comments/4teoxl/a_final_response_to_the_tell_me_why_trump_is_a/?st=iqunrok6&sh=ef9534c3&utm_source=mweb_redirect&compact=true

[JudyM]

231. This is a powerful compendium. Should be published far and wide.

Thanks for posting it here. IMO a large part of the issue with tRump is that he's so outrageous and seemingly ad hoc with his comments that people think he's just saying things to stimulate interest. Seeing all these quotes on different issues together illustrates the weaving together of consistent viewpoints, makes it much more apparent that he could be a concrete a threat to the world. I still don't believe he would be able to mass-slaughter people as Hitler did, if indeed he would want to do that, but I do appreciate the comprehensive information you provided -- thanks!

[ProfessorPlum]

234. Thanks JudyM - I felt just the same way when I first read it all together like that

I think while Trump hasn't done anything as horrible as Hitler, that he is of the same type as Hitler, Mussolini, etc. He has a fascist strongman mindset, and in the same situation as those others he would make similar choices.

That is why the comparison, from my point of view, is both appropriate and extremely important.

thanks for keeping an open mind

[DLCWIdem]

232. Trump praises Eisenhower's operation wetback as a immigration policy

Operation wetback killed how many Hispanic Mexicans. Wasn't that institutionalized murder. What could happen? You better hope it is a false equivalence and his deportation force doesn't do the same thing.

[Craig234]

145. You are hurting Hillary's cause

Trump is horrible enough - overstating the cases as 'literally Hitler' only helps trump, and is not correct.

And, you're disrespecting fifty million people killed in WWII as well.

[auntpurl]

147. Read my further posts in that thread.

I am not exaggerating or minimising anything. This is how it starts.

[strategery blunder]

223. Trump scares the shit out of me.

Yes, in May I was BoB. But once California voted I accepted the result and moved on. I had a lot of disagreements with Hillary's positions in the past but allowed myself to be pleasantly surprised when she didn't go hard right after becoming the presumptive nominee.

I know a lot of my fellow Bernie supporters disagree with the pick of Tim Kaine but I'd rather keep our most reliable progressives, such as Warren, in the Senate where they will have far more influence than as VP.

Meanwhile, Trump routinely has people kicked out of his rallies as a matter of course; he mocks people with disabilities, including reporters (which is very much something that Hitler DID do); he blacklists journalists...and a whole bunch of other brazenly fascist shit. He wants to "deport" millions of people, which will require staggering police state logistics on a scale this country has never seen, nor do I wish for it to ever see. We have already denied asylum claims to Honduran citizens who fled here fearing for their lives after the Honduran coup, deported such persons, only to see them murdered days after their repatriation to Honduras. And that happened under the Obama administration.

Donald Trump represents that on a massive scale. A very, very, very massive scale. A Joe Arpaio-style, round-up-teh-browns and check their papers kind of style. Just because we're not the ones lining up brown people in front of firing squads does not mean those firing squads do not exist. A Trump administration would deport at minimum tens of thousands of Central Americans directly to their deaths at the hands of waiting drug cartels, military juntas, and the like.

Even if the chances of Trump going full Hitler are 1%, that's still 1% too high. He has made it very clear that he does NOT believe in equal protection under the laws on a scale not seen since the days that Jim Crow was practiced openly. I thought it couldn't get worse than Dubya (the reason why I became a Democrat, first presidential election I was old enough to vote was 2004), but whoooo boy did Don the Con prove me wrong. Dubya at least paid lip service to the constitution and tried to put forth a legal argument through the court system that exigencies justified his abrogations of such.

Trump is far more scary than Dubya ever was on his worst day. The shit that Dubya did in Iraq, Trump would do AT HOME. Regardless of how I've felt about Hillary in the past, I'm with auntpurl. I'll be damned if I let someone who thinks that mocking cerebral palsy is funny and that people don't have the First Amendment right criticize him run the country.

Am I voting against fascism?

DAMN RIGHT I AM!

[ProfessorPlum]

226. Please read

https://m.reddit.com/r/EnoughTrumpSpam/comments/4teoxl/a_final_response_to_the_tell_me_why_trump_is_a/?st=iqunrok6&sh=ef9534c3&utm_source=mweb_redirect&compact=true

[sarae]

20. Thank you, from the bottom of my heart.

[Surya Gayatri]

25. Amen, brother. You are a Bernie supporter worthy of respect.

[Tatiana]

75. Amen! Awesome attitude.

Thank you.

[calimary]

174. Great points, Renaissance Man. Thank you.

Reading things like your post makes me feel a little better.

[MiniMe]

6. I voted for him in the primary

But the most important thing at this time is to beat tRump!!

[yuiyoshida]

12. absolutely!

[NurseJackie]

8. Hey, you! Yeah, you ...

[JaneyVee]

9. Even Bernie endorsed Hillary.

[Wounded Bear]

11. I hear you....

Bernie will get much more done as a Senate Committee Chairman in a Hillary Clinton administration than he will as a ranking member in a Trump regime.

[Loki Liesmith]

13. It ain't your fault or your problem

We all know that 80% of Bernie folks are going to vote for Hillary and will not boo her or any such thing. The other 20% were never Democrats to begin with.

I just hope not too many of that 20% are credentialed delegates.

[bekkilyn]

42. For what it's worth

Some of us 80% aren't Democrats either, but will still be voting for Hillary. I don't know what these people expected Bernie to do if he lost the primary. Of course he was going to support the Democrat nominee. The entire reason he ran as a Democrat in the first place is so that he wouldn't split the Democrat vote and allow a Republican to win. A real Bernie supporter would know these things.

[Blue Idaho]

63. Welcome!

I'm glad you are here! Bernie knows what's at stake, so do you and so do I. 80% of Bernie's supporters know what's at stake. Unfortunately you know how this works - the squeaky wheels get the grease, and the media attention, and the social media traffic.

November's election is as big as it gets. We need all hands on board in order to defeat that sick fascist Trump. So, like you - I'm going to keep my focus where it belongs.

[bekkilyn]

253. Thanks for the welcome!

After seeing the rest of the convention along with more dismal messages from Trump, I'm even more determined than ever to defeat him!

[LiberalFighter]

76. Personally I think it will be more than 80%.

And the most of the remaining were just out to agitate.

[Starry Messenger]

15. Thank you.

[Native]

17. I just don't understand them. I'd vote for a monkey to keep Trump out of office.

[sarae]

61. +1000

I would, too.

[Pauldg47]

149. Ha!!! You nailed it!

[tawadi]

190. Thank you!!!!!!!

[LisaM]

18. Yes, thank you.

This convention is breaking my heart. I waited 8 long years for this moment, and it's being stripped away. I've seen more Bernie people being interviewed on TV, more camera time given to Bernie supporters, and heard his name more often than I've heard hers. It's really getting me depressed, so I'm glad that there are probably more people like you than there are of the aggressive, noisy types.

[shireen]

209. that's media manipulation

Watch C-Span. It's a much nicer experience.

[RAFisher]

19. These people are insane. I voted for Bernie. I saw him in Kissimmee. But I'm 100% for Clinton.

We're all not a bunch of morons! My guy lost in the primary. I accepted that months ago. If no one gets 270 EV then Congress, filled with elephants, gets to pick our next president. I'm not suffering under a Trump presidency just so some god damn green party voter can feel morally superior and sleep at night. These people need to buy a binky and benadryl if they can't sleep at night.

[auntpurl]

22. Awesome post, thank you.

[sarae]

27. Thank you!!

[etherealtruth]

194. That is how every Sanders supporter I know (in real life)

....feel and act. Posting this is a good reminder

[moonscape]

197. Hillary may be getting more support out of their insanity - hope so! n/t

[Maru Kitteh]

21. Thank you! Those crazies are not REAL Bernie supporters! They're anarchists and purity ponies/Greens

who are immature, unreliable and quite frankly, cranks.

The VAST MAJORITY of SBS supporters will vote for the Clinton/Kaine ticket. And they are to be commended, celebrated and welcomed!

[democrattotheend]

74. Unfortunately, the crazy ones are getting most of the media attention here

Because the media loves conflict. These people are not just undermining the convention, they are undermining Bernie and everything he stands for.

[Maru Kitteh]

86. The media NEEDS a horse race. The "supporters" booing Bernie should be shamed and rejected

They hurt him and his cause by doing so. His presence in the race was essential to strengthening the nominee and shaping the campaign that now moves forward.

The continuation of the progress Bernie has made is absolutely dependent on the election of a Democratic President and Dems up and down our tickets. Onward and forward - STRONGER TOGETHER!

[BlueMTexpat]

220. + a million or so! eom

[MynameisBlarney]

23. Right on!

I feel the same way!

[lillypaddle]

24. Together we stand

Thank you!

[relayerbob]

26. Thank you and I agree

I supported Bernie, but that ship has sailed. We have to live in the present, and most definitely Clinton is far closer to our ideals than any of the POS on the RNC side.

[redstatebluegirl]

29. Thank you.

When I supported Hillary when she lost to Obama, it stung, but I don't remember going completely crazy and threatening to waste my vote by voting for someone who could not win.

This an interesting faction of the Bernie group. Most of the ones I know understand what can be lost, especially in terms of the Supreme Court. They are sane, care about the country more than themselves. The small group of radical progressives, and I hesitate to call them that, don't get it at all.

[shireen]

210. they also don't get Bernie

He would never condone their ridiculous behavior. I can only conclude they were never really Sanders supporters.

[c-ville rook]

243. No, they called for you to vote for McCain

And in the end 15 to 18% of Hillary primary voters. Said they would vote for McCain and did. That is just the numbers there is always a disaffected mass. Just be glad the average voter does not pay attention to primaries.

Small favors.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

30. We understand that these people represent a very, very small crowd. Thank you.

[Helen Borg]

37. Please, enlighten those not included in your "we"

As they may not know where the numbers were published and what methodology was used to acquire those numbers.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

47. O.K., maybe you don't understand and that's fine. But there is a small percentage of Bernie

supporters like this.

The primaries are over!

[Helen Borg]

56. Don't change topic, please.

You said "we" understand it is a small number. To understand that means having data about the number. Provide the data, or please retract your statement, or say it was your personal opinion based on no data.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

68. No thanks. You don't order me around. Do your own fucking research. There is a very small percentage

of Bernie supporters who think like this. VERY SMALL!!!!!!

[Helen Borg]

78. VERY, VERY SMALL, indeed. That is your opinion, got it nt.

[Hekate]

107. His statement is based on published research. You can find it all by yourself.

[Squinch]

108. Seriously?

[shireen]

214. Pew Research Center Poll

As of July 12, 85% will vote for Hillary.

More at this link:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/12/sanders-supporters-clinton-vote-survey

I think emotions are very raw right now. Sanders supporters who say they are not supporting her need more time to process the loss. Over the next few months, I believe they'll come to understand the stakes and vote for her. There really is no other logical choice.

Of course, that's just my opinion.

[glennward]

31. Thani you for that. I know you speak the truth about most Bernie supporters. nt

[bjobotts]

165. They made the whole thing up. Only 2 Bernie supporters,how about all the others.Attention seeker

[63splitwindow]

32. No need for you to apologize for their actions.

Clearly some among that number booing Bernie are chicken-shit Don the Con plants. Hopefully those that are not will come to their senses. To boo the very man you respect obviously displays the fallacy of their reasoning.

[Squinch]

33. The crazies, CLEARLY, are not and never were real Bernie supporters. They CLEARLY never

respected their candidate, and understand nothing about politics.

I decided for Hillary about halfway through the Primary season, and I am proud to have her as my candidate. I respect the Sanders supporters and am very grateful that they have, en masse, decided to support the Democratic Party against Donald Trump.

These crazies, as you call them, have nothing to do with any of us. They began as trolls and they end as trolls. They are the tools of Donald Trump.

[Craig234]

154. See comment

They ARE Bernie supporters on the issue of cleaning up elections.

They're NOT Bernie supporters on his commitment to progressive goals needing to defeat trump.

I view them as people with principles who are misguided about the actual choices in our system - I can't remember any of them really addressing the issue of how harmful trump would be over Hillary.

I don't view them as trolls or tools of trump, even if their not voting for Hillary has an effect of helping trump.

[Squinch]

159. That's nice. I view them as trolls and ignorant spoiled brats.

[realmirage]

246. I second that

[emulatorloo]

34. Kick and rec. None of us are to blame for the actions of this loud obnoxious minority

As you say, they don't speak for Bernie and they certainly don't speak for or represent the majority of Sanders primary supporters.

[Surya Gayatri]

35. Yours is just one Sanders supporter voice, but a welcome one, democrattotheend.

Don't give up on other B or B deadenders you come across.

You sound like a fair-minded and rational person, and maybe some of them will listen.

[mindfulNJ]

36. Thank you

I believe that the Bernie or Busters were never really Dems anyway, and probably wouldn't even been a part of the process if Bernie hadn't run. I am also saying this as a Bernie supporter.


Trump is unthinkable.

[democrattotheend]

81. Many of them have voted Green for a while

But were willing to cross over to the Dems to vote for Bernie in November because he is one of the few people associated with the Democratic Party they consider to be progressive enough.

[David__77]

39. Of course there will be Sanders supporters who vote for Trump.

In 2008, there were Clinton supporters who voted for McCain. There are lots of people in the country. Stuff happens.

[DesertRat]

40. Thank you

[Spitfire of ATJ]

41. What I crack up over is the media claiming Bernie supporters and Trump supporters are the same....

This has led to Hillary supporters acting like Bernie supporters are the enemy.

[auntpurl]

45. Well, they're both chanting LOCK HER UP

Bernie's delegates, inside the convention, chanting LOCK HER UP at delegate breakfasts this morning.

https://twitter.com/DaveMontero/status/757577543033753600

Bernie delegates inside the convention being interviewed on MSNBC saying they will never vote for Hillary, that she belongs in prison, that they are voting for Trump.

So how are they different?

Edited to add: I am talking about the specific Bernie delegates who are disrupting and behaving like boors, NOT the many who I know will support our Democratic ticket.

[Still In Wisconsin]

50. Fecking idiots!

And I say this as an ardent Bernie supporter.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

52. Tiny tiny tiny minority. Like one reply says "how cute, 5 people chanting"....

I don't think there was even 5.

BTW: Are we SURE these are actual delegates?

[auntpurl]

58. This was at the CA delegate breakfast.

The CA Bernie delegates have been behaving like utter asses all day. They booed Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Lee for mentioning Hillary.

They booed NANCY PELOSI. At the DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION.

They have to be delegates - they're in the convention. You're not allowed to go in as a member of the public. It's delegates or press only.

But I hope you're right. I hope they're a tiny minority. Because if they loudly boo Michelle Obama, or President Obama, or our wonderful nominee, I swear to god I'm getting on a f*cking plane. Philly is MY city (my hometown) and they DO NOT DO THAT.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

117. You must be new to politics.

[auntpurl]

118. Uh, no, sunshine.

I am not.

[Maru Kitteh]

65. Can we agree any delegates who were chanting for imprisonment of our nominee should be ejected?

I agree that the VAST MAJORITY of Bernie supporters are good-hearted and passionate, mindful people of good will who will support the Democratic ticket up and down to ensure his agenda moves forward.

A Trump election is the death of liberal progress in this country for decades to come.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

121. No. Let them vote and lose fair and square....

It is NOT supposed to be 100% for any given candidate. If it were they wouldn't need to adopt the other candidates ideas to win support.

Bottom line is we aren't the ones who demand everyone fall in line, that's Republicans.

[Maru Kitteh]

133. Bullshit. Seething, virulent, hateful behavior towards our nominee should not be tolerated.

Those fuckers are just Repuke/Putin voters in Green clothing. Fuck them, they should be ejected.

Fine for people to show support for the candidate of their choice. NOT okay for them to act TRUMP SUPPORTERS at the Democratic Convention.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

179. She's not the official nominee yet.....

Bernie has about 1,900 delegates there on the convention floor.

Tone down the outrage over seeing what you consider to be treason.

[realmirage]

247. The primaries are fucking over, dnc vote or not

[Spitfire of ATJ]

250. Did you expect it to be unanimous?

[Hekate]

119. It's on tape, Spitfire. A lot of us saw it on CNN and MSNBC.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

123. So? Does that mean you have to throw the TV out the window?

Calm down and realize this is no big deal. It doesn't help Trump win.

[realmirage]

248. How about you chill with your condescending tone.

People are rightly pissed at this dipshit behavior

[Spitfire of ATJ]

249. People are OVERLY pissed at it....

This is the way conventions go.

People don't obediently give up on the person they supported.

[shireen]

212. utterly disgusting

I cannot begin to understand why they would call themselves Sanders supporters.

[annabanana]

43. what you said. . . . . . n/t

[Saviolo]

44. The vast majority of Bernie supporters

Seem to have pivoted to Hillary just as Bernie has encouraged them to do. Excellent.

The small minority who decided to vote Green may yet come around if things get dicey in the general. If things start getting close, I hope they'll see that they're working at odds with their interests by helping elect Trump.

As for the ones who say they'd vote for Trump before Hillary. The fuck out of here. You are legit crazy. Trump's proud that he's bought and sold influence on the political stage, and Bernie wants to end that. Trump wants everything run like a business or by big business, and Bernie has always fought for more government programs to assist those that need it. Their philosophies are diametrically opposed. Anyone who said they supported Bernie and now supports Trump is so politically unaware that I'll be surprised if they can even find the voting booth.

[Helen Borg]

60. Please provide URL to relevant research and numbers.

We all need to be clear on what the actual data are and on the methodology used to acquire it.

[Saviolo]

69. Here's a recent article in the Guardian backed by Pew research:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/12/sanders-supporters-clinton-vote-survey

The same Pew research reported by TruthDig:

http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/new_survey_finds_85_percent_of_sanders_supporters_vote_for_clinton_20160713

This Washington Times article uses a PPP poll:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/10/bernie-sanders-supporters-outpace-candidate-in-jum/

Pew polling suggests that 85% (the vast majority) of Bernie supporters will pivot to Hillary in the general, and the PPP poll indicates about 79% (still the vast majority) will pivot to Hillary.

[Helen Borg]

80. Thanks. These are the numbers we need to provide when posting on these topics.

So we can have a meaningful conversation.

[Saviolo]

89. The data are widely available

And I've seen them thrown around on this board a few times, so I felt it would be redundant to post it again, but if you're having trouble finding the research, I hope I was able to help some.

[Helen Borg]

92. I had not seen them.

Plus, it's not that these numbers are not going to change with time! Hopefully in a good direction.

[Still In Wisconsin]

49. It IS a vast majority... any true Bernie supporter who fails to recognize the gravity

of our situation needs their head examined.

Beyond that, try reading Hillary's positions once. Sh supports 95 % of what we Berners have been fighting for. The more I read and listen, the more I like her.

Is she perfect? No. Will she be a good President? Yeah I really think so. Better than Trump? Of that I am 1000 % certain!


Jill Stein? Gary Johnson? Puhleeeeease!

[Helen Borg]

64. Where are the objective data to back this up?

We are all waiting to see that.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

70. So you are going around harassing people in this thread.

Welcome to IGNORE!!

[brer cat]

122. Good choice, LS!

Some people beg to be ignored and should be accommodated.

[Loki]

136. It does clean up the trash.

Best thing since sliced bread especially since ther intent is to disrupt and harass.

[DLCWIdem]

235. all you have to do is look on any website that compares records

Most people tend to ignore the data anyway when you post. Why is the objective data so important to you. The data on polling B.S. supporters has been posted about 20-30 x in these forums. And no I am not going to go look up those exact threads and write them down. The data on voyting records has not been posted as frequently but it also has been posted several times. B

[Helen Borg]

239. "why is the objective data so important to you?"

Oh, dunno... Not a subjective kind of gal, I guess.

[DLCWIdem]

240. well you were subjective when you posted and asked about how many DU were paid by

Hillary PAC. Like I said this data was in enough threads that I wondered if you were new to DU and hadn't seen those threads, but I see your not from your transparency page.

[Helen Borg]

242. And your point is?...

[Tiggeroshii]

51. As a Bernie supporter I have this to say:

Do we want a Nazi in charge? Cause this is how you get a Nazi in charge.

[Fast Walker 52]

57. if you ever wondered what you would do in 1930's Germany

--- now's your chance to find out and show your colors.

[Blue Idaho]

66. ^^^That is a fact^^^

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing."

[Fast Walker 52]

151. exactly

I'm getting so sick of the hand-wringing over the DNC, which pales in comparison to what Trump/Pence will do.

[kstewart33]

53. Thank you.

The crazies are causing this potential disaster, not the vast majority of Bernie supporters.

[Fast Walker 52]

54. Same here. I can only think that these people were never Democrats

or they are incredibly naive to the ways of politics.

[Powdered Toast Man]

101. We "fall in love" remember?

Republicans "fall in line."

However I can't name a single one of my republican friends who are looking forward to voting for Trump. I imagine most of them just won't vote.

[Qutzupalotl]

114. Many were new to politics

so your characterization that they were naive might well be spot-on. They were roused and passionate, and perhaps had never suffered such a loss in an election. They don't know how to handle it, so they just lash out blindly.

I think the reality of the situation will settle in with them by the end of the week.

For me, Bernie's loss was like watching the Bush v Gore decision all over again. Sucks, but what can you do but pick yourself up and keep doing what you can.

[beachbumbob]

59. There are always some that don't care...unfortunately what these

People will show....is Bernie is an ineffective leader...otherwise they would respect him and his opinion...it's more of a blemish on Bernie than anything else....I'm feeling bad for the sanders people who have to watch their movement trashed by the malcontents...

[mcar]

67. K&R

[treestar]

72. Thank you

My new CT is going to be that it is the media paying these people. Any way to create drama!

[LiberalFighter]

73. I had faith that the real Bernie supporters would not be erratic in behavior.

At least for those that mostly involved themselves in just turning out to vote. As for those attending as Bernie delegates there may be too many that are disrespectful.

Even some Bernie delegates were upset about the behavior of other Bernie delegates at our state convention. Most of the bad ones will likely disappear after this election.

[ismnotwasm]

77. K&R

[tallahasseedem]

79. They are shaping public opinion right now...

Look at what has been going on during the lead up to the convention on this board, did no one think the nastiness would continue?

It's an embarrassment, one that could have been avoided without the "Take it to Philly" mantra that was supported and perpetuated by Bernie and his supporters.

[democrattotheend]

83. Bernie didn't "take it to Philly"

He gave Hillary a full-throated endorsement and stuck by it even after the email leak. What more do you want from him?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

84. Posts like yours make me embarrassed for painting all Sanders supporters with a broad brush.

Thank you.

[Hekate]

85. Thank you. We are now in the fight of our lives, for this country. As Bernie said...

...to his booing audience: This is real life.

[Attorney in Texas]

87. If you are going to expand the party, your wide net will catch some odd fish. I agree with LBJ:

"It's probably better to have them inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in."

On balance, I prefer the Bernie-or-Busters over the sociopaths that Trump is bringing into his party.

I have met Bernie-or-Busters (1) who will sit out this election, (2) who will write in Sanders, (3) who will vote for Jill Stein, and (4) who will vote for Johnson-Weld, and (5) I have also met former Bernie-or-Busters who have come around and will now vote for Hillary.

I know there is a sixth category of Bernie-or-Busters -- I know they exist -- but I have never yet met anyone who once supported Sanders but who now supports Trump.

NOTE: I have not made my mind up about how I will vote and contribute, but it will NOT be for Trump or for Johnson-Weld, and the bulk of my efforts will likely be focused on turning the Senate blue.

[NCTraveler]

88. Common ground.

What do most of Clinton and Sanders supporters have in common?

They kick ass.

Thanks for this.

[JoePhilly]

90. K&R

[Amimnoch]

91. Every person is an individual.

Speaking as one myself,

I don't stereotype his supporters.

We're the big tent party. Differences of opinion is part of our charms

[drm604]

93. Ditto.

I am really getting fed up with some of my fellow supporters. I founded and administered a Bernie meetup group and the man I made my assistant administrator for the group is a Bernie or buster. He's in his 40s so he doesn't have the excuse of youthful idealism.

I've stopped being active or scheduling meetups for the group, but people are STILL joining it! Why would you join a support group for a candidate who is out of the race?

As in your example of people walking away from attempted discussion, they will not brook any attempt at discussion about it, however civil it might be. Instead, they take offense and start going on about how you are trying to usurp their vote and how they will not be shamed or guilted into changing it.

The fact that so many of them are using the same words in the same order, like "usurp" and "shamed or guilted", makes me wonder if they aren't scripted talking points coming from some source like the Russians or the Trump campaign.

[NanceGreggs]

95. I appreciate the sentiment ...

... but you have no need to apologize on anyone's behalf.

It's the "crazies" who owe an apology, not the level-headed people who accepted that Bernie lost the primary and moved on to support the Party and its nominee.

[wryter2000]

96. Thank you

We know they're a small group, and they're not really Democrats at all.

[HootieMcBoob]

97. Me too.

I supported Bernie also.

[csziggy]

98. They are now booing and chanting DURING the opening prayer

How fucking crass is that? I'm not religious but I do believe in respect.

To see people doing this after Bernie Sanders' call to support Hillary Clinton is revolting.

These few idiots give all Bernie Sanders' supporters a bad name. Sen. Sanders is trying to promote party unity and to save the country from the fascism that a Donald Trump presidency would bring.

The people being so disrespectful during the opening prayer are not supporting anything - they are just trying to tear things apart.

[Maru Kitteh]

116. Well. Bye bye Felicia.

You count yourself against our nominee, which puts you squarely in the Putin/Trump camp. Clearly DU may not be a good fit for you.

[aintitfunny]

100. I Supported and Voted for Bernie

And I stand with him in his support for Hillary Clinton. I had no doubt that he would fully support the nominee, even before the orange Satan won the Republican primary.

I don't feel the need to apologize for people who are a few screws light. While I won't apologize for them, I will not support their fantasies. I do not support anyone who puts their imagined principles above the well-being of this Nation.

[kestrel91316]

102. I love your banner, BTW

Bernie has my heart
Hillary has my vote

[matt819]

103. Me too

Their attitudes are delusional and their behavior disgusting. And here I thought Dems lived in the reality-based universe. Guess not.

Regardless of their demographic, their behavior is childish and insulting. It's terrifying that their attitudes and voting could potentially be very destructive.

[HockeyMom]

104. Absolutely!

Because our #1 goal should be to keep Donald Trump OUT of the White House as Democrats!

My entire family were/are Bernie supporters but we will be damned if we want a President Trump because our candidate did not win the Primary.

PLEASE do not attempt to tell me there is no difference between Hillary and The Donald.

[Fla Dem]

105. Thank you. I have said all along that the core of Bernie's support were rational

level headed individuals. Those who continue to raise chaos do not care about the end result, only for immediate gratification.

[eissa]

106. I voted for Bernie in the primaries, and went to his rally

I live in California, so by the time our primary rolled around, it was pretty certain that HRC would be the nominee. I was fine with that; been through enough elections to realize that sometimes your candidate wins, and sometimes they don't. But man-oh-man, did I have a tough time with his supporters. I couldn't believe the level of petulance and outright hostility they were displaying, right down to mimicking Trump's insults. They almost made me reconsider my vote, that's how disgusted I became with them. In the end, I voted for Bernie simply because I like the man and what he stands for. And if his supporters truly understood his message, then they would realize that revolutions don't end with an election, nor do they happen overnight. The fight goes on, and we have more chances of victory for our agenda with Bernie in the Senate and HRC in the WH.

[Grey Lemercier]

109. I salute you. Onward to victory!

[MarkEzra]

110. My Allegiance is to:

The Constitution of The United States of America. Not some person. Not some notion of left or right. No election in my lifetime has EVER put our constitution in such peril as this.

Clausewitz said: War as Politics by other Means. Well this year Politics is War. The stakes aren't the cost of living or the amount of my social security. It's our national souls as laid out in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Don't think so? Just ask the Russians and their pimp, Donald Trump.

Democrats will need Allies it can count on. I plan to look for them door to door if need be. After all there is a first time for everything!

[The Green Manalishi]

111. Wish I could rec this 100 times.

Those assholes NEVER were or will be Democrats.

False flag Trump operatives more like it. Or just sleazebag morons.

[tonyt53]

113. No need to apologize. All families have crazy people. You ought to meet my sisters.

[Moonwalk]

115. No apologies needed, Sanders supporters, your candidate....

...is a stand-up guy and everyone is grateful to him and those who have listened to him and respected his message. We can't win without him, and without you.

And we know--most of us know or should know--that these are crazies and are there to act out their wishes (to disrupt, be heard, have their way), not that of any Democrat they say they represent.

I was worried when I woke to all this news this morning. I was really afraid that the DU would fracture into petty bickering and disunity, as would the DNC--feeding the media, giving the GOP a chance to gleefully rub their hands together and cackle with joy.

But posts like this have me relieved. Let the crazies chant. We're stronger together, and can wether any little squall or storm. All we need do is remember what's most important--getting as many of OUR candidates into the White House and into Congress. And into Governors mansions and onto school boards for that matter. This is about more than electing one woman. This is about keeping the whole country on the right course.

Here we go.

[Cary]

120. Since you're not doing it, personally, you're not responsible

I have never viewed supporting Sanders as any kind of transgression. The behavior of some Sanders supporters was always the issue. I'm sorry you have experienced the abuse. Just know it's them not you.

[pnwmom]

124. Thanks to you and ALL the Bernie people who aren't joining in the self-defeating Hillary-hate. n/t

[shireen]

215. welcome to DU

And I'm not taking your bait.

[Ken Burch]

126. Agreed. They don't speak for Bernie and they don't speak for me.

n/t.

[Akamai]

127. And maybe they are Republicans! You just don't know. In my view, any Bernie supporter

who now does not support Hillary -- as Bernie is going to do -- does not care about what is best for this country, for the planet, etc.

[WinkyDink]

143. It takes a lot to be allowed into a convention. These are not Republicans.

[Akamai]

192. You didn't say where this argument took place. You are saying this took place in convention hall.

I am sure that Bernie himself would speak very strongly to those Bernie-or-busters, and maybe he will give a strong statement tonight regarding this.

I can see Bernie saying, "I want you to listen clearly to me -- we must support Secretary Clinton! She is a strong, thoughtful candidate and is working for progressive issues as she has for her whole life!"

[Third Doctor]

128. I agree

One has to balance idealism with pragmatism. Bernie was my first choice but he didn't win so I accept Hillary. To get angry and declare you are voting for Stein especially in a swing state is only helping Trump. If something needs to be fixed with the DNC we can address that later. We have a WAR to fight.

[raindaddy]

129. Those people weren't booing Sanders they were booing the idea for voting for Hillary...

So far it's not a united party and that's being reflected at the convention, where Clinton's name is being met with boos.. Hopefully something can be worked out before the end and the Party can unify against Trump.. But at this point who knows?

Will I apologize for those people who are exercising their right to voice their displeasure over the way the DNC worked against their candidate?


Hell No!!

[LisaM]

130. Would you have accepted that at the 2008 convention?

I was for Hillary in 2008 and I would have found this kind of behavior intolerable.

[raindaddy]

148. That was a completely different convention...

What if Obama supporters in the DNC were caught trying to sway the election away from Hillary? You actually think the Hillary delegates would not have been outraged? Especially hearing about it just hours before the convention...

[LisaM]

158. Caught trying to sway the election? Did you even read the emails?

Donna Brazile went to great lengths not to appear on television so she wouldn't be sandbagged by questions about Bernie, and she made a fairly innocuous comment about Bernie endorsing DWS's opponent. The emails weren't damning at all. People are falling for headlines.

[raindaddy]

176. if they were nothing why did DWS resign? Why did they issue an apology?

Just the fact that they were working with the media to bring up Sander's religious beliefs because they thought it might hurt him in southern states is enough.

They were creating narratives that Sander's campaign is disorganized Colluding with the media..

These aren't just headlines..

This isn't Hillary campaign staff this is the governing body of the Democratic Party...

[LisaM]

177. I don't think she should have resigned (and I don't even like her)

and I think the apology was likewise completely unnecessary. But it still won't appease Sanders' supporters, so it's pointless to even offer it.

The DNC went out of its way to accept Bernie, a non Democrat, and this is the thanks they get.

[raindaddy]

191. Bernie represents a large percentage of the dem constituency...

What party denies millions of voters, including young voters that are the future of the party..

Sorry you fail to see the danger of the governing body of the Democratic Party favoring a specific candidate over another.. Part of the reason so many people are losing faith in the system and leaving the Democratic Party. Also why we're so hopelessly divided..

[Bill USA]

131. "These people don't speak for Bernie".... underline that!

[RBInMaine]

132. Thank you. These are the CRAZIES and not real progressives. They're so NUTS they'll NEVER have ANY

actual power.

[bluedye33139]

134. As an evil Hillary supporter, I know I've said mean thoughtless things this cycle

There were times when I felt that the primary was getting so ugly I didn't know where it was going to end, but then Sanders's behavior reminded me that he is a well-intentioned person with values that more or less resemble mine (I will never be persuaded that people living in higher cost-of-living areas shouldn't have a higher minimum wage) and I would like to say that it is clear to me that most Sanders supporters are wonderful and decent people with good values.

In future years, we'll all look at this and cringe.

[WinkyDink]

137. They are disGUSTING! Booing Hillary, as if she is somehow not the legit nominee. QUISLINGS!!

[jtunes]

138. I'm guessing he does too, he's a team player

[shireen]

216. WHO

is that gorgeous dog?

[mountain grammy]

140. I apologize to no one for a few, a very few people

who's hatred for Hillary obscures all. That's a Trump supporter, and not a Bernie supporter and I refuse to apologize for those who were never on my side in the first place.
I always have been, and always will be, a more liberal Democrat than Hillary. I don't like her foreign policy or Wall Street connections nor her past positions on trade, criminal justice, the drug war, and marriage equality. She's changed with the times, and that's good, but my dear, departed mother, born in 1912, never had to "evolve" and neither did I. That said, I will be voting for the Clinton ticket and for all other Democrats. I set aside funds to donate to down ticket candidates all around America. I will also (though I swore I never would) put a Clinton/Kaine sign in my window.

[Demsrule86]

141. It is not your fault.

I don't thin many of these people really support Bernie anyway. Real supporters are like you.

[Peacetrain]

142. You have NOTHING to apologize for.. this is not your fault..

I talked to a friend for almost a half hour today.. a Bernie supporter locally who was just outraged..by someone she saw on TV claiming to be a Bernie supporter who said they would vote for Trump..

I am going to tell you the same thing I told my friend.. There are some loose cannons who do not reflect your philosophical point of view and why you supported Senator Sanders.. We are first and foremost DEMOCRATS..

Sometimes we just have goofballs on our side too.. what can you do..

[Craig234]

144. We disagree with them. They're not crazies

Hillary is the most disliked Democratic nominee in history since they tracked it.

The issue isn't that people feel frustrated with the state of the party and some candidates.

The issue we disagree with them on is their putting their dislike for Hillary as more important than the harm of trump winning.

That means we disagree with them but not that they're crazies, and calling them that doesn't help any more than their calling you that for NOT refusing to support the problems.

[MFM008]

153. only because of LIES

The ones that have been TOLD ABOUT HER.
For 25 years republicans and HRC/Clinton haters.
The biggest pile on in HISTORY.
Fools believe this crap,
all of us will suffer if that repulsive hooting ape gets in to the white house.

[Craig234]

155. There are false criticisms of Hillary and legitimate criticisms

Don't falsely equate the Republican lies with the progressive disagreements.

Bernie said in his strong endorsement speech he disagrees on issues. That doesn't make him a "Benghazi" opponent of Hillary.

[still_one]

157. It isn't your fault, or Bernie's, but a few selfish individuals who don't have any sense of

respect for people like Elijah Cummings, who was continuously interrupted on his speech on Civil Rights.

They should be ashamed of themselves

[duncang]

160. I voted for Bernie

To me he is a true American who wants the best for the country. He has worked really hard for the average person. But I think those who are trying to disrupt the convention are not only hurting the DNC, but also hurting Bernie's future. I would love it to see Bernie signs in the crowd as a show of support for his ideas. But not this. This to me will turn off a lot of people from the movement he has been working on so long.

[shireen]

217. +1

well said!

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

162. Somehow, I think these "Super-Bernie-Bros" would criticize Bernie ...

... for being too right-wing.

This lesser-light "Bernie-Bro" will choose the Democratic ticket.

[LostinRed]

163. If Trump wins

In a year you'll never find anyone admit they voted for Jill Stein just like one admits they voted for Nader.

[JSup]

166. I don't consider...

...these people Bernie supporters (as they're not supporting him right now) so you have nothing to apologize for.

[MellowDem]

168. I don't....

I blame the two party system that always leads to this type of situation

[Warren DeMontague]

169. it is time to unify and support Hillary.

I agree.

[JudyM]

173. Bernie supporters have every right to be extremely pissed off, as do all honest Americans who

are only seeing the tip of the iceberg with these leaks. There is much more nefarious and extremely un-Democratic activity that has taken place under the auspices of the DNC. There are lawsuits that have been filed, and we will see more in the coming months. Here's something else that came out just today. https://www.facebook.com/notes/election-justice-usa/two-new-reports-conclude-evidence-of-fraud-in-the-2016-democratic-primaries-coul/923718327754861

Protest is American, it is free speech. This is IMO, legitimate protest, coming at a time when some of this is just being disclosed. If it had been Bernie's team that was lacking proper controls on their ethics, I assure you I would not be clamoring to stifle Clinton's supporters' objections. These are new disclosures and people are rightfully upset, IMO.

And this is not a post slamming Clinton. I am planning to vote for her in November because tRump is no doubt worse.

But there are no apologies necessary, IMO, for legitimate unrest that was the doing of the DNC, not the Russians, unless they created the emails themselves. We need fair elections, both in the GE and the Primaries.

[mrsv]

175. I'm a Bernie supporter

Bernie supporters have a right to be outraged and furious with the DNC and Hillary. Throughout the primary we cried foul and people dismissed us...here it is in your face...But I'm voting for Hillary.. I do realize the dangerous of a Trump presidency...NO UNIONS...NO MINIMUM WAGE....NO GAY MARRIAGE.NO SAFE ABORTIONS..CUTS TO SOCIAL SECURITY...NO OBAMACARE..PRIVATIZED MEDICARE...MUSLIM ROUNDUP...PEOPLE FIGHTING...THE SUPREME COURT...WALLSTREET...and I don't even want to talk about world affairs ...so let them be outraged..on tv...let them embarassed the party..everyone needs to know we are mad as hell...but when I cast my vote for Hillary...it's not because I support her...it's because I'm voting against Trump and so will many other Bernie supporters

[LoverOfLiberty]

180. Sounds like they were never Bernie supporters at all.

[Skittles]

183. LOL

did you read DU during the primaries?

[LoverOfLiberty]

185. Of course I did

My point being is that if they say they are Bernie supporters and then undermine his goals, then there were never really Bernie supporters at all.

Just fans of a movement.

[Skittles]

186. or they are just sore losers

which is HIGHLY possible

[sufrommich]

181. I hope there's enough Bernie supporters like you

to stop this slide into madness. Thank you.

[Skittles]

182. they can fuck themselves

what a bunch of LOSERS

[whopis01]

198. As a strong supporter of Sanders

I agree with you completely.

Sanders was a good candidate with good ideas. He isn't who the party chose.

The worst part is that Sanders had earned enough support to have his ideas hold weight in the party platform. But idiots like these people have done everything humanly possible to drag him and his ideas down the drain.

What a squandered opportunity.

[LostOne4Ever]

193. I don't think you need to apologize for them

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#00009d]One of Bernies major goals was to change the party from within.

These people never supported that. They never cared about the democratic party or what Sanders was trying to achieve. Real Bernie supporters understand this and will support the Democratic Nominee. They will vote for Clinton.

I feel Bernie or busters are undermining everything Bernie fought so hard for! He wouldn't become a democrat and run in the democratic primary with a deck stacked against him for months and months if he didn't care about the democratic party![/font]

PS: [font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#00009d]I love your banner. Can I steal it? Please![/font]

[democrattotheend]

195. Of course. I actually have it for sale as a bumper sticker, button, shirt, etc.

Just click on it.

From the number of them that have sold so far, I am somewhat optimistic that many Bernie supporters are not like the rude jackasses who were booing inappropriately earlier.

[retrowire]

196. But you don't speak for them.

Let people be angry about what they are angry about.

As for me, I stand alone.

[Ken Burch]

199. Those two may actually have BEEN Trump infiltrators.

They do not represent the true spirit of this campaign.

[pansypoo53219]

200. i gave up being childish in 88. more so after. SHIT! i voted for LOSERS. hillary BETTER NOT.

[tenderfoot]

201. A lot of the crazies are right wing trolls

eom

[liberalmuse]

202. Same here.

Most of us aren't crazy, and are gladly voting for Hillary. But I'm pretty disappointed (to say the least) with the hecklers at the convention tonight.

[CanonRay]

203. More Christian than Christ

[Kennah]

204. As one left wing moonbat to another, I dyslexia n/t

[shireen]

205. exactly!

I don't understand that attitude. I'm no fan of Hillary but I trust Bernie's judgment. If he's willing to support her, I'll follow his lead.

The primaries are in the past, and it's time to obliterate The Big Orange Giant Gas Planet.

[AllyCat]

206. I doubt the Clinton crazies will listen, but thanks for putting this out there

I was stunned at the outbursts over speakers we all wanted to hear. However, I agree with Gwen Moore: this is how we get our message out in the Dem Party. And that's okay. Hopefully, the man I supported in the primaries succeeded in changing the minds of the people there who felt the way the do.

[ronnykmarshall]

208. I love you!

[DemonGoddess]

211. Thank you! You don't need to apologize

Not any of you who are reasonable people, which are the vast MAJORITY of Bernie supporters. The BoB people, well, I don't know what to do about them, other than to ignore them. They're hateful.

I was at work for the first night of Convention, and will be at work tomorrow as well, so I'll be depending on everyone here to tell me what's happened.

I DID watch the speech he gave this morning, and I was offended on his behalf that they were booing him. That's just fickle and trollish.

[WIProgressive88]

213. I apologize as well...

[BlueMTexpat]

218. Thank you!

Those Bernie supporters whom I know personally are like you and always have been!

I think that you hit the nail on the head when you say "professed support for Bernie." If they REALLY supported Bernie, they would not only be listening to what he says but be supporting the Dem candidate and no one else.

Perhaps these few will mature someday - but that day may not occur in 2016.

[democrattotheend]

241. Those who were booing did nothing but make him look bad

I don't know how anyone who claims to support him can't see that/

[Gothmog]

219. I hope that some credentials were pulled

[Cha]

221. So do I!

[Warren DeMontague]

224. Anyone who is heckling over the speeches, I agree 100%.

Eject em.

[Coolest Ranger]

228. I am proud

as a Hillary supporter to give you your 200 rec. I accept your apology too

[DLCWIdem]

229. Thank you for your unity and

There's no need for you to aologise for other peoples actions. As long as you are not justfying, encouraging or rationalizing the BoB's behavior then i would say your on the right track. Now lets go kick tRump ass.

[auntpurl]

230. You are on our side! And you are appreciated to the max.

[ronnykmarshall]

233. Thank you!

xoxox

[azureblue]

236. call me a conspiracy theorist

But the "Bernie supporters" were a bit too organized for me, and too disruptive in the right places. Their tactic of trying to drown out the most effective speakers was very telling. As if they had a plan going in, to try to wreck the whole convention, not just support Sanders. Who, by the way, told them to support Clinton, which they just ignored.

[forjusticethunders]

237. This. There is a lot of shenanigans going on.

[Act_of_Reparation]

238. I don't.

I don't hang out with the crazies. We don't have weekly meetings. We don't go bowling together or belong to the same fucking book club. I'm not apologizing for their behavior and anyone who thinks I should can go forth and heartily fuck themselves.

More than 13 million people voted for Bernie Sanders in the 2016 primaries. A minute percentage of them are blustering about in their seats, and everyone's acting like it's fucking 1968.

[c-ville rook]

244. We must beat Trump

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Yes Trump is hideous. And yes we really need Clinton to win.

But you cannot tell people their crazy the system is fair when they know it is not. Then when they have proof -- you cannot pretend to apologize while calling them crazy.

That is not an apology. That is digging out from under and hoping to dump some of the blame.

At that point you are the emotionally abusive significant other, not an "organized" political party.

[cstanleytech]

245. You dont need to do it at all.

I suspect a good chunk of them were only Bernie supporters for as long as it looked like he might cause problems for the Democrats in the upcoming election vs Trump and now that they see he isnt going to dance to their tune they are simply trying to disrupt however they can.

[Wibly]

251. Check your own crazy

Wagging fingers and referring the Sanders supporters is not going to win them over.
Prove to them you are different, that you are mature, and capable of hearing dissenting opinions without revert to childish name calling and finger wagging, then you might win them over.
Until then, the lot of you who are putting Sanders supporters down are just handing the election to Trump.

[friendly_iconoclast]

252. K&R

[oberliner]

254. How old were those two people?

Curious if they were youngsters.