2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum‘It’s frightening’: Morning Joe terrified by Trump-Putin ‘bromance’
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Talking on Morning Joe on Monday, Hillary Clinton Campaign Chairman John Podesta said that even if Putin wasnt responsible for hacking and leaking the Democratic National Committees emails over the weekend to help Trump, its clear that theres mutual affection between Trump and Putin.
What we have is a kind of bromance going on between Putin and Trump, which is distinct from this leak, he said. And we have the Republican Party platform moving back, saying they wont defend NATO allies.
Co-host Joe Scarborough then pointed to Trumps extraordinary interview with the New York Times last week where he said that he wouldnt protect Baltic NATO countries from a Russian invasion unless they paid what he deemed to be a sufficient amount. Mika Brzezinski also chimed in and called the connections between Trump and Putin frightening.
For his part, Trump this morning dismissed any talk that Putin was helping him win the general election, although he did still boast that Putin likes me.
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http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/its-frightening-morning-joe-terrified-by-trump-putin-bromance/
ismnotwasm
(41,995 posts)Well hell, he should be
Cha
(297,355 posts)liberalmike27
(2,479 posts)The Hillary campaign goes into damage mode, upon finding out everything Sanders and his supporters were saying all along about her biased DNC, the scheduling of debates, the purging of voters, the manipulations, particularly in closed-primary states, and yes even the data breaches were manipulations to help Hillary win, and keep Sanders off the airwaves.
This idea that the Russians give a crap about this election is quite absurd.
But hey, it's nice to be vindicated, and have all the smug folks who thought it wasn't happening, proved wrong.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Trump has tipped off Putin that he can invade Balkan states without repercussions from the US if he's president. Trump owes his oligarch buddies huge amounts of money about which Trump won't come clean.
liberalmike27
(2,479 posts)but discussing the corrupt campaign DWS ran for the DNC, right?
Spin, spin, spin, spin...spin, spin, spin, spin, like a top--you're spinning like a Ferris wheel.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)But you're naive if you think there isn't a bigger picture here, one that includes a ruthless, super-wealthy dictator and his buddies working our election system to get their ideal foreign policy in place in our country.
SticksnStones
(2,108 posts)LIBERAL Mike.
I see whatcha did there.
The sketchy hardball email musings of a few DNC staffers vs. keeping Putin in check.
Absolutely the emails are the story right LIBERAL Mike?
Gotta stay focused, right?
Sheesh, SMH
liberalmike27
(2,479 posts)The NSA would know, if Russians hijacked the DNC emails. Tragically, with the exception of Donna Brazile, Hillary folks don't like to apologize for their idol's corruption.
Far as things go, with Hillary we're still going to have wars without end. Both are going to boost Wall Street's fortunes. Both will service Big Pharm, and Big energy--they are going to be disturbingly alike, in many ways, including the TPP and trade agreements--Oh wait, she's not going to be as liberal as Trump on that one, since she embraces them. The Clinton's pretty much started trade agreements for the Democratic Party, pumping up the trade deficit to astronomical levels, and shipping jobs away by the millions.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)important that the republican nominee is playing footsie with pootie than you didn't get the candidate you wanted, you're delusional. As for asking for an apology (like you did downthread from Hillary supporters who have zero to do with the DNC), don't hold your breath.
RonniePudding
(889 posts)Educate yourself before spouting off such nonsense.
liberalmike27
(2,479 posts)The Hillary crew are still wearing their blinders...
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,995 posts)You mean morning Joe complaining--yes it is!
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... between Putin and tRump
Darb
(2,807 posts)You gotta be kidding me. Try to keep up.
liberalmike27
(2,479 posts)Pay no attention to the content, or the stolen, corruptly run election. Focus on the fact the Hillary campaign are "saying" the Russians did it. It is much more "Hillary friendly."
tallahasseedem
(6,716 posts)we ALL should be!
I'm glad he's talking about it...
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)Many posts on how we should ignore the leak because it was the Russians and we were just helping Putin do his dirty work. Now, from Hillary's own campaign chairman they aren't sure if Putin was responsible. Way to determine your message of deflection and then proceed to fuck it up by Monday morning. Now everyone needs a new deflection on why the emails should be ignored.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)they need to decide on a message and stick with it..
Proud Public Servant
(2,097 posts)Doesn't even talk about the leak, and it's chilling
EDIT: That was supposed to be a response to #6, but it works as a thread response, too.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)At least not in a manner that can be proven. I even saw posts where people claimed it was traced back to the Russians and there was no doubt it was Putin working for Trump. Trump and Putin may very well be a thing, but it isn't the thing everyone made it out to be this weekend. Deflection only works if you keep on message.
3catwoman3
(24,012 posts)...thread in extra-large all caps.
There's been plenty of disturbing shit from and about Trump. This "trumps" all of it. If the right is so anti-socialist, what do they think of THIS?
RapSoDee
(421 posts)Native
(5,942 posts)http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/new-questions-surround-putins-interest-trumps-election
matt819
(10,749 posts)We dance around descriptions. For most of the primary, we were all amused by Trump's tenuous relationship with the truth. We excused it, minimized it. And we're paying the price. He's a liar.
The relationship with Putin is not a bromance. It is a horrifying and inextricable link to a dictator. From what I've ready, he owes his very existence to the infusion of Russian money into his crumbled empire. The vig on that infusion? Not money, but rather dismantling America's treaty obligations, all to Russia's advantage. Trump has gone well beyond the pale. He is now, more than ever, a national security threat.
bucolic_frolic
(43,206 posts)What happened to those 106 Republican National Security elites
who signed that letter against Trump in March 2016?
They went quiet
bucolic_frolic
(43,206 posts)The American People deserve to see Trump's tax returns
Who is he indebted to? Who is he beholden to?
Grabbing power to grab America's resources to pay off private debt?
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)And not just him, but his kids.
SticksnStones
(2,108 posts)But his tax documents are certainly relevant.
liberalmike27
(2,479 posts)It is obvious. You Hillary supporters just do yourself bad, by continuing to deny the corruption. You should apologize to us, as we've been right all along.
And how does your candidate react? She appoints DWS to her campaign?? Embrace the corruption, I guess.
humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)Obama Open Mic Audio With Russian President Medvedev saying tell Putin he would have more flexibility after his 2012 election...
Karen_J
(22 posts)Trump is getting played by Putin, who doesn't give a sh** about him or respect him at all. Putin would prefer to deal with a US President who is an intellectual and political lightweight.
I would have thought that Joe was smart enough to see through this.
TalkingDog
(9,001 posts)Cause that would make a difference in how I react to somebody I never listen to.