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demwing

(16,916 posts)
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:38 PM Jul 2016

And DWS is back!

Can Clinton be THIS tone deaf?

BREAKING: Hillary Clinton Brings Disgraced DNC Chair Onto Her Campaign
Nathan Wellman | July 24, 2016

Mere hours after Debbie Wasserman Schultz resigned as chair of the DNC, Hillary Clinton has already given her a high ranking position in her campaign.

Schultz resigned after Wikileaks released emails that showed her team showed a clear bias for Clinton over Bernie Sanders during the Democratic primaries, with DNC CFO Brad Marshall going so far as to suggest attacking his faith in Bible belt states Kentucky and West Virginia.

In an official statement, Clinton praised Wasserman Schultz without mentioning the email scandal, commending her “hard work and leadership.” Wasserman Schultz’s new job will be to act as honorary chairman of the Clinton campaign’s “50-state” program

http://usuncut.com/news/clinton-hires-wasserman-schultz/
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And DWS is back! (Original Post) demwing Jul 2016 OP
I'd love to know the circumstances of the quid quo pro that's going on here. nt cherokeeprogressive Jul 2016 #1
DWS quits, gets a face-saving title to ease her out. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #19
Though she may need one after the primary. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #44
She'll have a job in a Clinton Administration. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2016 #49
yup that's a bet I would take yuiyoshida Jul 2016 #70
Secretary of Health and Human Welfare? NT 1939 Jul 2016 #151
Even if Sec. Clinton is just being magnanimous Peachhead22 Jul 2016 #143
No, just the usual grievance mongers doing their thing geek tragedy Jul 2016 #144
No, we just want DWS to quietly go away Peachhead22 Jul 2016 #148
Agree completely marions ghost Jul 2016 #169
I seriously can't believe this is happening! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2016 #102
It is called loyalty for all her hard work for years. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #159
Yeah from what I understand, Putin hand wrote all 19,000 of them. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2016 #162
What? Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #168
"honorary chairman" JI7 Jul 2016 #2
Translation: HooptieWagon Jul 2016 #156
Nothing like a little slap in the face to the Bernie Supporters Press Virginia Jul 2016 #3
Only those fanatically desperate to be offended. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #16
This! mcar Jul 2016 #21
Wrong. ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2016 #160
Yeaaaaah! That's just the type of thinking that will help unify the party Press Virginia Jul 2016 #25
I agree. A determination to be offended will not help unify the party. nt stevenleser Jul 2016 #30
yeah, who cares if people decide to sit home in November over this Press Virginia Jul 2016 #34
I don't. The party is already more unified than it was in 2008. Anyone left doesnt matter. nt stevenleser Jul 2016 #38
That story will change if Bernie supporters sit home and Trump wins Press Virginia Jul 2016 #42
When you are done with your crystal ball, pass it over, I'd like to win powerball. nt stevenleser Jul 2016 #45
I have no doubts who'll be blamed if we lose Press Virginia Jul 2016 #47
You are absolutely right. Curmudgeoness Jul 2016 #71
People are being asked to set aside their principles Press Virginia Jul 2016 #117
Should we revist your '08 proclamations about Hillary... Nancyswidower Jul 2016 #136
Your conduct is your own. What you do won't change what I do or what I write. stevenleser Jul 2016 #140
Actually, it's attitudes such as yours that are my problem. chwaliszewski Jul 2016 #141
Good. Next? nt stevenleser Jul 2016 #142
No way it upsets me ...I disagree it's more unified now than '08 Nancyswidower Jul 2016 #149
Neither will gratuitous insults to supporters of Sanders. merrily Jul 2016 #35
See my #38. If you are still not on board, we're already more unified than in 2008. nt stevenleser Jul 2016 #39
Being on board and being insulted gratuitously are not mutually exclusive. merrily Jul 2016 #41
Nor is being on board and being determined to be offended, apparently. The rest is nonsense. nt stevenleser Jul 2016 #46
"Determined to be offended" Poster, please. merrily Jul 2016 #48
"Determined to be offended" Loki Jul 2016 #65
THAT! glennward Jul 2016 #154
It's the Quid pro Quo that choie Jul 2016 #106
If the pacifier fits ... nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #90
"Pacifier" my ass eqfan592 Jul 2016 #99
Oh the drama. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #100
You think this is about the damn primary? eqfan592 Jul 2016 #105
This is people getting overwrought over the current head of the DNC geek tragedy Jul 2016 #110
No, it's about people being ok with corruption so long as their side wins eqfan592 Jul 2016 #115
No one is saying corruption is ok. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #120
She just moved her office to do the same job she did during the primary...campaign surrogate Press Virginia Jul 2016 #132
The primary is over. The Clinton campaign now runs the DNC. nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #134
The DNC was an arm of Clinton Inc for the last year Press Virginia Jul 2016 #135
Some people promote that theory. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #137
Yeah but why waste all that "talent"? marions ghost Jul 2016 #170
Exactly Press Virginia Jul 2016 #131
But it's not officially over yet, so why shouldn't it be about the primary? scscholar Jul 2016 #129
Feel the outreach Press Virginia Jul 2016 #119
Those throwing a hissy fit over DWS not being publicly geek tragedy Jul 2016 #121
No one asked for public humiliation. How about the decency of waiting until after the convention Press Virginia Jul 2016 #127
People who are determined to see themselves as victims cannot be stopped geek tragedy Jul 2016 #128
corruption victimizes everyone who doesn't benefit from it Press Virginia Jul 2016 #130
K&R! ^^^This!^^^ Spot ON. eom BlueCaliDem Jul 2016 #31
^^^This!!! DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #108
So don't if you feel that strongly about it. Others will carry this election w/o you. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #53
And if they don't you've got ready made scapegoats Press Virginia Jul 2016 #55
Like I said, if you don't like the action-get out of the kitchen. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #56
Mmmmhmmm Press Virginia Jul 2016 #58
How about we just work to change the action? demwing Jul 2016 #69
Don't need to be a Democrat to do that. Or political at all for that matter. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #73
"Its only a message board" demwing Jul 2016 #74
Does it bother me? MichiganVote Jul 2016 #76
Does it? You kept defending the point, so yeah - you seemed bothered by the perceived challenge demwing Jul 2016 #80
Well my words seem to mean something. At least you give me confidence to go on. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #85
Sure, go on demwing Jul 2016 #89
Child, I lived the original. I like Tracy Chapman but you got nothing on the real thing. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #96
If you think the fuss is about email demwing Jul 2016 #101
I am aware of what this is about. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #124
You can always go vote for Trump leftofcool Jul 2016 #84
And that's the very attitude that allows corruption to grow. eqfan592 Jul 2016 #111
Not cool, telling other DUers to vote for Trump is against the new rules! B Calm Jul 2016 #155
Nothing like being gracious and appreciative of a person who has worked long and hard for glennward Jul 2016 #88
Groan. nt BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #165
Did you search to see if this news has already been posted here? Psst, it has. writes3000 Jul 2016 #4
Thanks for the kick demwing Jul 2016 #20
This is not LBN and certainly not the first time a news event is the subject of more than one OP merrily Jul 2016 #51
It is kind of funny demwing Jul 2016 #61
Tim Gunn merrily Jul 2016 #68
She's out, has no power. Time to take "yes" for an answer emulatorloo Jul 2016 #5
It's all over TV, including MSNBC. BTW, DU sells advertising, too. merrily Jul 2016 #36
Basically a meaningless title. PragmaticLiberal Jul 2016 #6
Odd that folks don't know that 'honorary' = no power, no nothing. DWS is totally done. emulatorloo Jul 2016 #15
Exactly. PragmaticLiberal Jul 2016 #18
"Honor" forms a lot of the word "honorary." Besides, I bet she will get money, one way or another. merrily Jul 2016 #40
This was the good and proper thing for Hillary to do. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #7
Why was it a good and proper thing to do? liberalnarb Jul 2016 #133
It is foolish and evil to throw somebody under the bus when they are so loyal as to... MohRokTah Jul 2016 #145
Did you want the box with her head in it gift wrapped? SaschaHM Jul 2016 #8
Why yes....Yes I think I did The empressof all Jul 2016 #67
I keep seeing "work" being thrown around as if folks have some proof... SaschaHM Jul 2016 #72
Her work has lost us more seats than in decades past. onecaliberal Jul 2016 #92
Let's not be thick. That's not how elections work. SaschaHM Jul 2016 #94
So in other words, exactly what she's been doing. Shandris Jul 2016 #9
Helping the Democratic nominee is evil? nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #13
Reading not a strong point, huh. Shandris Jul 2016 #33
You are free to do as you are told... Yurovsky Jul 2016 #157
Oh FFS. Give it a fucking rest already. nt sufrommich Jul 2016 #10
This is an excuse to continue venting over the primary loss. I'm hopeful that it will end soon .... NurseJackie Jul 2016 #163
People whining about her helping Clinton in the general geek tragedy Jul 2016 #11
Get over it! It is an honorary position with no power. hrmjustin Jul 2016 #12
Rewarded For Her Loyalty And A Job Well Done.... global1 Jul 2016 #14
This +1 rjj621 Jul 2016 #24
'honorary chair' has as much value as an 'honorary degree' In otherwords worth NOTHING emulatorloo Jul 2016 #29
Payback? -nt- NorthCarolina Jul 2016 #17
Recognition for many years of dedicated service to the Democratic Party. oasis Jul 2016 #63
Feels like "Dear left-wing of the Democratic Party, fuck off, we don't need or want you." Scuba Jul 2016 #22
Exactly - A big "PSYCH!" to the left demwing Jul 2016 #37
Right marions ghost Jul 2016 #171
I think we can all agree she earned that title. nt JCanete Jul 2016 #23
Give it a rest already. Probably a trade off to get her to step down. apcalc Jul 2016 #26
I think President Obama and Hillary made the wrong decision helpisontheway Jul 2016 #27
Certainly not the greatest look Peachhead22 Jul 2016 #28
So what? this is a non-issue. book_worm Jul 2016 #32
Er, no. ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2016 #62
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #43
Clinton is loyal. Tatiana Jul 2016 #50
Except to her base. nt oxymoron Jul 2016 #95
Good to see the 50 state strategy/program is back. guillaumeb Jul 2016 #52
It was DWS who abandoned the 50 State Strategy, stlsaxman Jul 2016 #60
Exactly - some strategy there, Hillary demwing Jul 2016 #64
It was Obama who abandoned the 50 state strategy, and it happened annavictorious Jul 2016 #112
If we lose Rahm as mayor, I'd be willing to have him return. ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2016 #164
Hope and vote. guillaumeb Jul 2016 #66
I've never seen a group get victory after victory qazplm Jul 2016 #54
+ a million! BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #150
Even forget the Primary Shitstorm, she has been one of the worst disasters as DNC Chair we have ever JCMach1 Jul 2016 #57
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #59
So, she isn't running for her congressional seat? NT Ilsa Jul 2016 #75
DWS will fade away quickly at national level. No reason to kick her any more. Hoyt Jul 2016 #77
Why is this a terrible thing?And how is it corrupt? renie408 Jul 2016 #78
Actually, the first round of DWS resignation news was encouraging demwing Jul 2016 #83
Ah well then, now she doesn't have to pretend neutrality anymore nt riderinthestorm Jul 2016 #79
A foolish post Loki Liesmith Jul 2016 #81
How far away is your crystal ball able to read? greiner3 Jul 2016 #82
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #86
usuncut is one of the worst sources of this cycle. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #87
What is Hillary thinking?? Don Draper Jul 2016 #91
In her statement (at the link in the op) Clinton said dflprincess Jul 2016 #98
Hillary doesn't lie demwing Jul 2016 #104
No surprise at all. aikoaiko Jul 2016 #93
Is that rain I'm feeling right now? inwiththenew Jul 2016 #97
I swear to God I'm going to jam a pair of scissors into my ears RandySF Jul 2016 #103
^^^This!!! DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #114
Debbie must be made to walk naked through the streets to be pelted with garbage and insults, LuvLoogie Jul 2016 #116
THIS to the thousandth power... LowerManhattanite Jul 2016 #125
This fucking sucks. Makes me even sicker that I'll be williesgirl Jul 2016 #107
She's not tone deaf. Way to support our nominee, by the way. DawgHouse Jul 2016 #109
That's right, blind obedience is the only viable option... eqfan592 Jul 2016 #113
Did I say you were supporting the opposition? DawgHouse Jul 2016 #122
What would you have Sec Clinton do to Wasserman Schultz? Whip her with a cat o' nine tails on PPV? Grey Lemercier Jul 2016 #118
How about HRC not praise DWS for a job from which she was forced to resign? demwing Jul 2016 #123
This message was self-deleted by its author RandySF Jul 2016 #126
Completely different job then DNC head, I am all for this. Rex Jul 2016 #138
So loyalty trumps integrity? demwing Jul 2016 #146
She quit as DNC head, so yeah that is fine with me. Rex Jul 2016 #147
One step forward and two steps back Peachhead22 Jul 2016 #139
Good liberal N proud Jul 2016 #152
I was a little surprised she didn't pick her for VP. This election is going to be close B Calm Jul 2016 #153
Lol, tone deaf to who? giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #158
Party unity. B Calm Jul 2016 #161
Lol, calling out a biased ass source as bullshit is going to effect party unity? giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #167
That's why they call it the Establishment. Orsino Jul 2016 #166
Please tell me this is some kind of sick joke jack_krass Jul 2016 #172
I never thought she deserved all the hatred she has received fun n serious Jul 2016 #173

Peachhead22

(1,078 posts)
143. Even if Sec. Clinton is just being magnanimous
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:39 AM
Jul 2016

...and giving DWS a soft place to land. The optics of it are horrible. At the absolute least it's a giant middle finger to 45% or so of the party, fodder for conspiracy theories and gift wrapped ammunition for the Trump campaign.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
144. No, just the usual grievance mongers doing their thing
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:42 AM
Jul 2016

Not enough to get DWS fired, apparently they want her head shaved and her banished from public life.

Peachhead22

(1,078 posts)
148. No, we just want DWS to quietly go away
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:04 AM
Jul 2016

No public humiliation necessary. It's some HRC supporters here that seem to be reading too much into the objections of Bernie supporters. Not Bernie supporters being concern trolls. And your dismissing them out of hand is not helping anything.

HRC's campaign's unforced error here is hurting us all. HRC supporters and Bernie supporters alike.

Demsrule86

(68,607 posts)
159. It is called loyalty for all her hard work for years.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 07:58 AM
Jul 2016

and most people know this is BS...cooked up by Trump /Putin.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
162. Yeah from what I understand, Putin hand wrote all 19,000 of them.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 08:08 AM
Jul 2016

Last edited Mon Jul 25, 2016, 09:17 AM - Edit history (1)

Then, Trump transcribed, formatted them with the headers to make them actually look like emails, and personally delivered them to Assange.

I heard he traveled in the secret compartment of a specially outfitted SR-71 to drop them off.

Demsrule86

(68,607 posts)
168. What?
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 09:28 AM
Jul 2016

I have seen the emails and honestly, I don't get what the fuss is all about. There were not many to begin with, and I write way worse things sometimes. Also, it has been shown that some are fakes. It almost seems like you are defending Trump...must have misread your post. Have a nice day.

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
3. Nothing like a little slap in the face to the Bernie Supporters
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:40 PM
Jul 2016

who are being asked to unify for the good of the party

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
16. Only those fanatically desperate to be offended.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:46 PM
Jul 2016

Those taking this as a personal affront need to get a life.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
160. Wrong.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 07:59 AM
Jul 2016

I've been advocating for DWS firing for a year. She has been a horrible DNC leader. Just horrible. If Hillary's judgement is so poor that she rewards Debs and hires her to any position, that is like salt on an open wound.

People here have been demanding unity. Fine. But support is earned. Unity is a target that you work for. Why piss it all away by rewarding the one person who has pissed off millions of Bernie supporters?

This accomplishes three things,

A. It guarantees that the whole DNC scandal stays alive
B. It pisses off the people that Hillary had to, HAD TO reach out to
C. It makes people mistrust Hillary's judgment even more.

CNN reports that 68% of Americans do not find her trustworthy. It is bone headed moves like that that reinforce that emotion. Trump now has a 6% lead over Hillary. During the GOP convention, Hillary gave not one interview on cable or boredcast news. In fact, only her tweets seemed to be the sole response. She squandered multiple opportunities during the GOP convention by being in the background, by playing it safe.

During our convention, watch trump be interviewed every single night. Possibly on multiple venues.

Why? Because he offers to do so. He will take away the spotlight night after night. Her careful, plodding campaign will be an abject failure, especially if she plays by her 1990s playbook. She won't get a post convention bounce, but trump will cement a negative image of her.

I am scared to death of a trump presidency. Why is Hillary making it so easy for him to win?

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
25. Yeaaaaah! That's just the type of thinking that will help unify the party
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:50 PM
Jul 2016

maybe we throw in names like "cry babies" just for some extra outreach

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
42. That story will change if Bernie supporters sit home and Trump wins
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:04 PM
Jul 2016

then it will be all their fault for not unifying with the people who, today, say they don't matter

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
71. You are absolutely right.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:39 PM
Jul 2016

We should bookmark this for later use.

As a Bernie supporter who is conflicted over the way that the DNC treated Bernie, I think that this is a mistake on Hillary's part. She should distance herself from DWS instead of embracing her, even if it is just for the time being. But she didn't.

The kind of posts that you are responding to are no help in making me feel less angry and ready to help with the Hillary campaign. In fact, saying that people like me "don't matter" is just another slap in the face...and this comes from someone who said that I would for the Democratic candidate in the end. I think that the degrading posts should stop. They are not helping.

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
117. People are being asked to set aside their principles
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:38 PM
Jul 2016

and support the candidate who represents the very thing they were voting against in the primaries. That's a big leap for a lot of people. Being called names and ordered to unify behind a candidate or else the world will die isn't helpful...in fact it's an outright attack on their principles.

We'll be told the party is unified no matter what happens this week but will it be true? I doubt it.
If Trump wins, Bernie supporters will be blamed by the same people who are now calling them names, dismissing their feelings and saying they don't matter. They won't take responsibility for their role in the decision for Bernie supporters staying home.

 

Nancyswidower

(182 posts)
136. Should we revist your '08 proclamations about Hillary...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:25 AM
Jul 2016

and Now..."Anyone left doesn't matter"?
Yet you wrote..and I quote..."That kind of person ought not to be the Democratic nominee."

Is that a path you want to explore?

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
140. Your conduct is your own. What you do won't change what I do or what I write.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:31 AM
Jul 2016

Nor will it change the truth. The party is already more unified than it was in 2008.

If that upsets you, that's your problem.

 

Nancyswidower

(182 posts)
149. No way it upsets me ...I disagree it's more unified now than '08
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:47 AM
Jul 2016

We'll see in November if voters don't take your '08 words to heart.
You may well be a predictor of things to come...8yrs later

merrily

(45,251 posts)
41. Being on board and being insulted gratuitously are not mutually exclusive.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:03 PM
Jul 2016

Also, being "on board" is not a contractual obligation.


My prior post said only that gratuitous insults to Bernie supporters will not help party unity.

Are you actually disputing that statement that is that self evident? If so, why?

eqfan592

(5,963 posts)
99. "Pacifier" my ass
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:03 PM
Jul 2016

People like you, by willfully ignoring the ramifications of these moves, are literally killing the party. All because "your candidate" won.

eqfan592

(5,963 posts)
105. You think this is about the damn primary?
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:18 PM
Jul 2016

Can you honestly be that short sighted? These are developments that all point to a very serious systematic issue within the party, issues that will only get worse so long as the rank and file refuses to be more worried about where information might have come from rather than the veracity of that information and what it might mean.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
110. This is people getting overwrought over the current head of the DNC
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:23 PM
Jul 2016

getting a symbolic position with the nominee's campaign.

It's silly bullshit.

eqfan592

(5,963 posts)
115. No, it's about people being ok with corruption so long as their side wins
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:29 PM
Jul 2016

And that's the silliest of bullshit, because in the end it's a losing path to take.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
120. No one is saying corruption is ok.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:40 PM
Jul 2016

That is not happening.

DWS has been ousted. She lost her position.

The failure to indulge the revenge fantasies of dead Enders is not condoning corruption.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
137. Some people promote that theory.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:29 AM
Jul 2016

I don't buy it, but that is the past. Clinton is in charge of the DNC as a formal matter now.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
170. Yeah but why waste all that "talent"?
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 09:56 AM
Jul 2016

You'd think Hillary wouldn't want her anywhere but under the campaign bus.

 

scscholar

(2,902 posts)
129. But it's not officially over yet, so why shouldn't it be about the primary?
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:58 PM
Jul 2016

The primary is important.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
121. Those throwing a hissy fit over DWS not being publicly
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:42 PM
Jul 2016

humiliated in addition to being fired are not reachable.

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
127. No one asked for public humiliation. How about the decency of waiting until after the convention
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:52 PM
Jul 2016

to name her to a campaign position?
She goes from resigning after the DNC bias is exposed to a campaign surrogate on the same day....it's a slap in the face

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
128. People who are determined to see themselves as victims cannot be stopped
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:55 PM
Jul 2016

from doing so.

Throwing temper tantrums doesn't earn anyone respect.

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
130. corruption victimizes everyone who doesn't benefit from it
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:02 AM
Jul 2016

you want unity, you might have to do more than demand people abandon their principles while calling them names if they dont.
Most of use got confirmation of what we suspected long ago, the DNC was biased and working on behalf of their chosen candidate

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
55. And if they don't you've got ready made scapegoats
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:21 PM
Jul 2016

This is supposed to be the week of outreach and building/solidifying unity of the party. Not mocking and dismissing people who have learned the DNC wasn't as impartial in the process as it held itself out to be. A process where the DNCs impartiality was regularly questioned.

 

MichiganVote

(21,086 posts)
56. Like I said, if you don't like the action-get out of the kitchen.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:23 PM
Jul 2016

Others, many others, will pick up the slack. Your choice.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
69. How about we just work to change the action?
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:35 PM
Jul 2016

If you don't like having shitty policies challenged, then don't support shitty policies.

This kitchen belongs to the people.

 

MichiganVote

(21,086 posts)
73. Don't need to be a Democrat to do that. Or political at all for that matter.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:40 PM
Jul 2016

If you don't like the Clinton/Kaine ticket, why hang around. There is no challenge on this board. People write messages but they don't affect policies by anyone. Its not as if DU is congress or something. Its only a message board.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
80. Does it? You kept defending the point, so yeah - you seemed bothered by the perceived challenge
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:51 PM
Jul 2016

But then, people can write any old thing on a message board. It's not like it means anything, right?

 

MichiganVote

(21,086 posts)
96. Child, I lived the original. I like Tracy Chapman but you got nothing on the real thing.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:52 PM
Jul 2016

And at that time, people were fighting for their lives to stay out of Nam', not fussing about an email.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
101. If you think the fuss is about email
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:16 PM
Jul 2016

Then your old road is rapidly agin'
Please get out of the new one if you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a' changin'!

btw - the Tracy Chapman selection was intentional, not incidental. Times continue to change.

eqfan592

(5,963 posts)
111. And that's the very attitude that allows corruption to grow.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:25 PM
Jul 2016

It has to be about more than a single election cycle.

 

glennward

(989 posts)
88. Nothing like being gracious and appreciative of a person who has worked long and hard for
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:12 PM
Jul 2016

the Democratic Party ... for ALL Democrats. Far as I know it was the staff who were talking among themselves in e-mails... not from DWS.

You don't throw friends under the bus because others want you to. DWS is stepping down that should be enough and whoever Hillary has out there beating the bushes for her campaign is her decision. If only some Bernie supporters would do half as much for the GE win.

And to those who yell and rant about the BIG TENT...you must make room for moderates also. You can't get everything you want...or it's not a big tent...it's just your tent.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
51. This is not LBN and certainly not the first time a news event is the subject of more than one OP
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:12 PM
Jul 2016

Funny how selective people get about such things, isn't it?

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
61. It is kind of funny
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:26 PM
Jul 2016

Not like a "big floppy clown shoes" kind of funny, more like a "teen-aged boy's room smell" kind of funny.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
68. Tim Gunn
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:34 PM
Jul 2016

Tim Gunn, who seems to be one of the nicest people in the world, talks to designers of being in the monkey house too long. When you enter, the smell is overwhelming. But, the longer you remain, the less you notice it. I believe his metaphor may have inspired the "You've gone nose blind" ads.

emulatorloo

(44,133 posts)
5. She's out, has no power. Time to take "yes" for an answer
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:41 PM
Jul 2016

rather than latching on to whatever ad-based blog prints to gin up ad rates.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
36. It's all over TV, including MSNBC. BTW, DU sells advertising, too.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:58 PM
Jul 2016

That's how most news gets out in this country.

emulatorloo

(44,133 posts)
15. Odd that folks don't know that 'honorary' = no power, no nothing. DWS is totally done.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:46 PM
Jul 2016

Publically humiliated, forced to resign, definitely DONE.

I will say I'm not surprised 'us uncut" is trying to manufacture controversy out of a big nothing burger.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
40. "Honor" forms a lot of the word "honorary." Besides, I bet she will get money, one way or another.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:02 PM
Jul 2016

hon·or·ar·y
ˈänəˌrerē/
adjective
adjective: honorary

1.
conferred as an honor, without the usual requirements or functions.
"an honorary doctorate"
synonyms: titular, symbolic, in name only, ceremonial, nominal, unofficial, token
"she has received honorary diplomas from eleven colleges and universities worldwide"
(of a person) holding an honorary title or position.
"an honorary member of the club"
2.
British
(of an office or its holder) unpaid.
"Honorary Secretary of the Association"
synonyms: titular, symbolic, in name only, ceremonial, nominal, unofficial, token
"she has received honorary diplomas from eleven colleges and universities worldwide"

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
145. It is foolish and evil to throw somebody under the bus when they are so loyal as to...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:51 AM
Jul 2016

fall on their sword for the good of the party.

DWS did a good and noble thing and she deserves to be rewarded for it.

The empressof all

(29,098 posts)
67. Why yes....Yes I think I did
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:33 PM
Jul 2016

If not that then at least certainly not publically recognized and rewarded for her "work" by our candidate. Once again Hillary proves to be tone deaf....

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
72. I keep seeing "work" being thrown around as if folks have some proof...
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:40 PM
Jul 2016

that there was ever any follow through on those 2-3 emails. Do you have some late breaking news? The Clinton campaign has responded to Sanders' diehards enough and if they can't take yes for an answer or feel perpetually victimized, that's on them. If you want to say she's tone deaf fine, but I'd rather her be the tone deaf nominee than someone who will never be a major party nominee in either of our lifetimes now that his one best chance is up.

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
94. Let's not be thick. That's not how elections work.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:24 PM
Jul 2016

There are many reasons that candidates lose elections, but one of the smallest among them is who is heading the DNC at the time.

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
9. So in other words, exactly what she's been doing.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:42 PM
Jul 2016

It's always nice to see them write very large what they actually think of you.

I'd be more concerned about the fact that everyone is done hiding how completely broken and dysfunctional our """"""""""democracy"""""""""" is, and has no difficulty in having a chuckle about it.

That's the kind of behavior of two people: those who are truly insane, and those who know that there is nothing to be done about it, either now or in the future.

I wonder why that would be.

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
33. Reading not a strong point, huh.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:54 PM
Jul 2016

Might want to at LEAST try to strawman with words I actually used instead of just making it up from whole cloth.

As for your line of spin (and there is no other word for it; don't bother 'correcting' my 'record'), you strike me as someone who enjoys good desserts. Like, say, Jell-O pudding. As such, I can ONLY find it appropriate to offer you a Coke and a smile.

Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
157. You are free to do as you are told...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 07:37 AM
Jul 2016

I know I feel better knowing I don't have to make any more decisions regarding electoral politics. Just slide that bowl under the little flap and I'll gladly lap up whatever my betters feel I deserve.

#knowyourplace
#sitdownandshutup
#iwannnabesedated

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
163. This is an excuse to continue venting over the primary loss. I'm hopeful that it will end soon ....
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 08:12 AM
Jul 2016

... but I have my doubts. There appear to be a small subset of immature hold-outs that cannot accept reality and who refuse to follow Bernie's lead. That makes me wonder if they were sincere Bernie supporters all along. Or ... is this subset just a group of your everyday run-of-the-mill Hillary-Haters who saw a convenient way to trash Hillary by "supporting" Bernie?

It's difficult to know for certain which is the most accurate statement, but it's pretty likely that one of them comes very close to hitting the mark and describing the motivation.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
12. Get over it! It is an honorary position with no power.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:44 PM
Jul 2016

You got what you want in her resignation so just let her have these scraps.

global1

(25,253 posts)
14. Rewarded For Her Loyalty And A Job Well Done....
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:45 PM
Jul 2016

we knew that this was going to happen and that Hillary would bring her in - but the timing was just inappropriate. She should have at least waited until the convention was over.

emulatorloo

(44,133 posts)
29. 'honorary chair' has as much value as an 'honorary degree' In otherwords worth NOTHING
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:51 PM
Jul 2016

ya'll can get all hyped up by 'us uncut' potstirring over this meaningless worthless title, or you can recognize that DWS was publically humiliated and forced to resign. That's what we wanted, and that's what we got.

oasis

(49,393 posts)
63. Recognition for many years of dedicated service to the Democratic Party.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:29 PM
Jul 2016

Many in the party still appreciate hard work and devotion.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
37. Exactly - A big "PSYCH!" to the left
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:58 PM
Jul 2016

1. DWS resigns, but will still speak at the convention.
2. Then NO, DWS will not speak at, open or close the Convention.
3. Lefties rejoice! Yay! SHE'S GONE!
4. PSYCH! DWS now works for the campaign.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
171. Right
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 10:11 AM
Jul 2016

Anyone who thinks that working for the Clinton campaign is some honorary booby prize is naive. Obviously they need her too much.

And the affront to the progressive wing? Doesn't matter. You do what you have to do.

apcalc

(4,465 posts)
26. Give it a rest already. Probably a trade off to get her to step down.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:50 PM
Jul 2016

Allows her to save a bit of face, and she is still outta there.
Seems like win-win to me.

helpisontheway

(5,008 posts)
27. I think President Obama and Hillary made the wrong decision
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:51 PM
Jul 2016

She needs to force DWS to leave immediately. If she got on a plane tonight, the media would drop it. Now she wants to parade on the stage for some unknown reason. Then I think Hillary is trying to stand by her simply because she helped her in 2008. Forget that...this convention could set the tone for the rest of the campaign. If people are focusing on this drama instead of our convention, that lunatic could win this election. DWS should stop being selfish and now out NOW.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
62. Er, no.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:29 PM
Jul 2016

If you believe that, might I interest you in a casino in New Jersey?

This will be the story over the next few days . . . Unless she quits now, not after the convention.

Hillary rewarding her only reinforces the worst beliefs that folks have about Hillary.

Look, I will vote Hillary, even tho I was a YUGE Bernie supporter. But the optics on this won't quit, not when she is appointed the honorary national chair for Hillary.

Response to demwing (Original post)

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
50. Clinton is loyal.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:11 PM
Jul 2016

This is where DWS rightfully belongs. It was not as DNC chair.

However, this is not a smart move for the national campaign. They probably want to allow DWS to save face due to her contested primary back in Florida.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
52. Good to see the 50 state strategy/program is back.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:13 PM
Jul 2016

Let us hope that Wasserman Schultz does a good job.

stlsaxman

(9,236 posts)
60. It was DWS who abandoned the 50 State Strategy,
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:25 PM
Jul 2016

and lost us the house and senate.

yeah "let us hope...", indeed.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
64. Exactly - some strategy there, Hillary
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:30 PM
Jul 2016

unless the revised 50 State strategy is designed to elect Blue Dogs - only then is DWS a good fit

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
112. It was Obama who abandoned the 50 state strategy, and it happened
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:26 PM
Jul 2016

under Kaine, not DWS. Rahm Emmanual preferred a more traditional approach.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
164. If we lose Rahm as mayor, I'd be willing to have him return.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 09:02 AM
Jul 2016

Oh, wait. No. That would be suicide for the party.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
66. Hope and vote.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:32 PM
Jul 2016

But I do not blame Wasserman Schultz for Democrats who run such uninspiring campaigns that the voters do not turn out.

qazplm

(3,626 posts)
54. I've never seen a group get victory after victory
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:18 PM
Jul 2016

and STILL want more, whine, and not take a win for an answer.

YOU WON. REPEATEDLY. Declare victory and give it a rest.

JCMach1

(27,560 posts)
57. Even forget the Primary Shitstorm, she has been one of the worst disasters as DNC Chair we have ever
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:24 PM
Jul 2016

had.

Talk about failing your way to the top.

Well, at least she will have plenty of time to work for the campaign when she looses her Primary.

Response to demwing (Original post)

renie408

(9,854 posts)
78. Why is this a terrible thing?And how is it corrupt?
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:47 PM
Jul 2016

DWS has always been a staunch Hillary supporter. She wrote some snotty emails and that is supposed to override years of support? To appease people who are determined to NOT be appeased, no matter what?

At least be honest, for many of you it wouldn't matter if DWS left tonight, you are never going to support Hillary.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
83. Actually, the first round of DWS resignation news was encouraging
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:55 PM
Jul 2016

I thought that Hillary was sending a message to the left.

Then this bit broke, and I realized Hillary was sending a message: "Business as Usual"

Response to demwing (Original post)

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
87. usuncut is one of the worst sources of this cycle.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:08 PM
Jul 2016

Truly a horrid outfit. Antoine outraged by this simply wakes up outraged. The transparency is nice. usuncut is a step down from hagoodman.com.

Don Draper

(187 posts)
91. What is Hillary thinking??
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:16 PM
Jul 2016

This is highly divisive and will fly with Berniecrats like a led ballon. At a time when she should be doing everything she can to unite the party, it's baffling that she would do something so inflammable. Talk about pouring salt on a wound. This is counterproductive going into the GE

dflprincess

(28,080 posts)
98. In her statement (at the link in the op) Clinton said
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:58 PM
Jul 2016

"There’s simply no one better at taking the fight to the Republicans than Debbie–which is why I am glad that she has agreed to serve as honorary chair of my campaign’s 50-state program to gain ground and elect Democrats in every part of the country, and will continue to serve as a surrogate for my campaign nationally, in Florida, and in other key states."

Yet we're supposed to believe that there was no collusion between the DNC and the Clinton campaign because there was nothing inappropriate about the chair of the DNC acting as a surrogate.

RandySF

(58,977 posts)
103. I swear to God I'm going to jam a pair of scissors into my ears
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:17 PM
Jul 2016

I can't comprehend the level of stupid that's going into these fights. It's a face-saving honorary position in which DWS will be doing absolutely nothing. Either people are incredibly ignorant or they are just trying to pick fights.

LuvLoogie

(7,015 posts)
116. Debbie must be made to walk naked through the streets to be pelted with garbage and insults,
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:29 PM
Jul 2016

a gauntlet of shame where she is flogged with their superiority. A true mob.

LowerManhattanite

(2,390 posts)
125. THIS to the thousandth power...
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:48 PM
Jul 2016

She's out of a power position as the dead-enders wanted—but got a superficial, face-saving, honorary hook-up from a friend.

But no! Her ringleted head must bounce on a pike...and even THAT'S not enough for the vengeful.

And that's what the furor is about here—vengeance.

eqfan592

(5,963 posts)
113. That's right, blind obedience is the only viable option...
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:27 PM
Jul 2016

...and attempting to oppose blatant corruption means we must be supporting the opposition, right?

 

Grey Lemercier

(1,429 posts)
118. What would you have Sec Clinton do to Wasserman Schultz? Whip her with a cat o' nine tails on PPV?
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:39 PM
Jul 2016



I am appalled at the treatment and abuse that a fellow progressive Democratic woman is being treated to all around, including from many on here. I sense more than a small whiff of misogyny too. She already resigned as demanded by the Bernie people. It is over, it is done, just please stop.

W need to unite against the monster that is Trump. He is an imminent threat, and somehow has managed to actually unite Russia and Nazis into one cause. Think about that for a second, instead of this sandbox brawl over a bloody HONOURARY title.
 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
123. How about HRC not praise DWS for a job from which she was forced to resign?
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:46 PM
Jul 2016

or at the very least don't reward her for it

Response to demwing (Reply #123)

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
138. Completely different job then DNC head, I am all for this.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:30 AM
Jul 2016

That kind of loyalty is hard to come by. They will work great together.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
146. So loyalty trumps integrity?
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:53 AM
Jul 2016

you might be fine with that, but reasonable people may disagree

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
147. She quit as DNC head, so yeah that is fine with me.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:58 AM
Jul 2016

Maybe she should have done that last year.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
153. I was a little surprised she didn't pick her for VP. This election is going to be close
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 06:53 AM
Jul 2016

and it's for Hillary's to lose. If this is Hillary's idea of uniting the Democratic party, we're screwed!

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
158. Lol, tone deaf to who?
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 07:51 AM
Jul 2016

When your only source is a pro Sanders rag that didn't most one factual item the entire primary season maybe the only tone deaf individuals are the ones publishing this shit & the ones who believe it's reliable or news worthy.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
167. Lol, calling out a biased ass source as bullshit is going to effect party unity?
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:22 PM
Jul 2016

😂😂😂👍

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