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Can Clinton be THIS tone deaf?
Nathan Wellman | July 24, 2016
Mere hours after Debbie Wasserman Schultz resigned as chair of the DNC, Hillary Clinton has already given her a high ranking position in her campaign.
Schultz resigned after Wikileaks released emails that showed her team showed a clear bias for Clinton over Bernie Sanders during the Democratic primaries, with DNC CFO Brad Marshall going so far as to suggest attacking his faith in Bible belt states Kentucky and West Virginia.
In an official statement, Clinton praised Wasserman Schultz without mentioning the email scandal, commending her hard work and leadership. Wasserman Schultzs new job will be to act as honorary chairman of the Clinton campaigns 50-state program
http://usuncut.com/news/clinton-hires-wasserman-schultz/
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Not like this is a paying gig.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Take dat to da bank, as Baretta would say.
yuiyoshida
(41,833 posts)1939
(1,683 posts)Peachhead22
(1,078 posts)...and giving DWS a soft place to land. The optics of it are horrible. At the absolute least it's a giant middle finger to 45% or so of the party, fodder for conspiracy theories and gift wrapped ammunition for the Trump campaign.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Not enough to get DWS fired, apparently they want her head shaved and her banished from public life.
Peachhead22
(1,078 posts)No public humiliation necessary. It's some HRC supporters here that seem to be reading too much into the objections of Bernie supporters. Not Bernie supporters being concern trolls. And your dismissing them out of hand is not helping anything.
HRC's campaign's unforced error here is hurting us all. HRC supporters and Bernie supporters alike.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)--what an unnecessary mistake to make.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Demsrule86
(68,607 posts)and most people know this is BS...cooked up by Trump /Putin.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Last edited Mon Jul 25, 2016, 09:17 AM - Edit history (1)
Then, Trump transcribed, formatted them with the headers to make them actually look like emails, and personally delivered them to Assange.
I heard he traveled in the secret compartment of a specially outfitted SR-71 to drop them off.
Demsrule86
(68,607 posts)I have seen the emails and honestly, I don't get what the fuss is all about. There were not many to begin with, and I write way worse things sometimes. Also, it has been shown that some are fakes. It almost seems like you are defending Trump...must have misread your post. Have a nice day.
JI7
(89,254 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Clinton Foundation 'consultant'.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)who are being asked to unify for the good of the party
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Those taking this as a personal affront need to get a life.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)I've been advocating for DWS firing for a year. She has been a horrible DNC leader. Just horrible. If Hillary's judgement is so poor that she rewards Debs and hires her to any position, that is like salt on an open wound.
People here have been demanding unity. Fine. But support is earned. Unity is a target that you work for. Why piss it all away by rewarding the one person who has pissed off millions of Bernie supporters?
This accomplishes three things,
A. It guarantees that the whole DNC scandal stays alive
B. It pisses off the people that Hillary had to, HAD TO reach out to
C. It makes people mistrust Hillary's judgment even more.
CNN reports that 68% of Americans do not find her trustworthy. It is bone headed moves like that that reinforce that emotion. Trump now has a 6% lead over Hillary. During the GOP convention, Hillary gave not one interview on cable or boredcast news. In fact, only her tweets seemed to be the sole response. She squandered multiple opportunities during the GOP convention by being in the background, by playing it safe.
During our convention, watch trump be interviewed every single night. Possibly on multiple venues.
Why? Because he offers to do so. He will take away the spotlight night after night. Her careful, plodding campaign will be an abject failure, especially if she plays by her 1990s playbook. She won't get a post convention bounce, but trump will cement a negative image of her.
I am scared to death of a trump presidency. Why is Hillary making it so easy for him to win?
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)maybe we throw in names like "cry babies" just for some extra outreach
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)then it will be all their fault for not unifying with the people who, today, say they don't matter
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)We should bookmark this for later use.
As a Bernie supporter who is conflicted over the way that the DNC treated Bernie, I think that this is a mistake on Hillary's part. She should distance herself from DWS instead of embracing her, even if it is just for the time being. But she didn't.
The kind of posts that you are responding to are no help in making me feel less angry and ready to help with the Hillary campaign. In fact, saying that people like me "don't matter" is just another slap in the face...and this comes from someone who said that I would for the Democratic candidate in the end. I think that the degrading posts should stop. They are not helping.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)and support the candidate who represents the very thing they were voting against in the primaries. That's a big leap for a lot of people. Being called names and ordered to unify behind a candidate or else the world will die isn't helpful...in fact it's an outright attack on their principles.
We'll be told the party is unified no matter what happens this week but will it be true? I doubt it.
If Trump wins, Bernie supporters will be blamed by the same people who are now calling them names, dismissing their feelings and saying they don't matter. They won't take responsibility for their role in the decision for Bernie supporters staying home.
Nancyswidower
(182 posts)and Now..."Anyone left doesn't matter"?
Yet you wrote..and I quote..."That kind of person ought not to be the Democratic nominee."
Is that a path you want to explore?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Nor will it change the truth. The party is already more unified than it was in 2008.
If that upsets you, that's your problem.
chwaliszewski
(1,514 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Nancyswidower
(182 posts)We'll see in November if voters don't take your '08 words to heart.
You may well be a predictor of things to come...8yrs later
merrily
(45,251 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Also, being "on board" is not a contractual obligation.
My prior post said only that gratuitous insults to Bernie supporters will not help party unity.
Are you actually disputing that statement that is that self evident? If so, why?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Loki
(3,825 posts)Love it
glennward
(989 posts)choie
(4,111 posts)will not help unify the party.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)eqfan592
(5,963 posts)People like you, by willfully ignoring the ramifications of these moves, are literally killing the party. All because "your candidate" won.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)The primary is over, whether you're willing to admit it or not.
eqfan592
(5,963 posts)Can you honestly be that short sighted? These are developments that all point to a very serious systematic issue within the party, issues that will only get worse so long as the rank and file refuses to be more worried about where information might have come from rather than the veracity of that information and what it might mean.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)getting a symbolic position with the nominee's campaign.
It's silly bullshit.
eqfan592
(5,963 posts)And that's the silliest of bullshit, because in the end it's a losing path to take.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)That is not happening.
DWS has been ousted. She lost her position.
The failure to indulge the revenge fantasies of dead Enders is not condoning corruption.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)so nothing has changed
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)I don't buy it, but that is the past. Clinton is in charge of the DNC as a formal matter now.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)You'd think Hillary wouldn't want her anywhere but under the campaign bus.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)scscholar
(2,902 posts)The primary is important.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)humiliated in addition to being fired are not reachable.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)to name her to a campaign position?
She goes from resigning after the DNC bias is exposed to a campaign surrogate on the same day....it's a slap in the face
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)from doing so.
Throwing temper tantrums doesn't earn anyone respect.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)you want unity, you might have to do more than demand people abandon their principles while calling them names if they dont.
Most of use got confirmation of what we suspected long ago, the DNC was biased and working on behalf of their chosen candidate
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)This is supposed to be the week of outreach and building/solidifying unity of the party. Not mocking and dismissing people who have learned the DNC wasn't as impartial in the process as it held itself out to be. A process where the DNCs impartiality was regularly questioned.
MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)Others, many others, will pick up the slack. Your choice.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)If you don't like having shitty policies challenged, then don't support shitty policies.
This kitchen belongs to the people.
MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)If you don't like the Clinton/Kaine ticket, why hang around. There is no challenge on this board. People write messages but they don't affect policies by anyone. Its not as if DU is congress or something. Its only a message board.
demwing
(16,916 posts)then its no skin off your back, so why let it bother you?
MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)I seldom get excited by stuff like this.
demwing
(16,916 posts)But then, people can write any old thing on a message board. It's not like it means anything, right?
MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)And at that time, people were fighting for their lives to stay out of Nam', not fussing about an email.
demwing
(16,916 posts)Then your old road is rapidly agin'
Please get out of the new one if you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a' changin'!
btw - the Tracy Chapman selection was intentional, not incidental. Times continue to change.
MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)eqfan592
(5,963 posts)It has to be about more than a single election cycle.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)glennward
(989 posts)the Democratic Party ... for ALL Democrats. Far as I know it was the staff who were talking among themselves in e-mails... not from DWS.
You don't throw friends under the bus because others want you to. DWS is stepping down that should be enough and whoever Hillary has out there beating the bushes for her campaign is her decision. If only some Bernie supporters would do half as much for the GE win.
And to those who yell and rant about the BIG TENT...you must make room for moderates also. You can't get everything you want...or it's not a big tent...it's just your tent.
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)writes3000
(4,734 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Funny how selective people get about such things, isn't it?
demwing
(16,916 posts)Not like a "big floppy clown shoes" kind of funny, more like a "teen-aged boy's room smell" kind of funny.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Tim Gunn, who seems to be one of the nicest people in the world, talks to designers of being in the monkey house too long. When you enter, the smell is overwhelming. But, the longer you remain, the less you notice it. I believe his metaphor may have inspired the "You've gone nose blind" ads.
emulatorloo
(44,133 posts)rather than latching on to whatever ad-based blog prints to gin up ad rates.
merrily
(45,251 posts)That's how most news gets out in this country.
PragmaticLiberal
(904 posts)She's done.
emulatorloo
(44,133 posts)Publically humiliated, forced to resign, definitely DONE.
I will say I'm not surprised 'us uncut" is trying to manufacture controversy out of a big nothing burger.
PragmaticLiberal
(904 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)hon·or·ar·y
ˈänəˌrerē/
adjective
adjective: honorary
1.
conferred as an honor, without the usual requirements or functions.
"an honorary doctorate"
synonyms: titular, symbolic, in name only, ceremonial, nominal, unofficial, token
"she has received honorary diplomas from eleven colleges and universities worldwide"
(of a person) holding an honorary title or position.
"an honorary member of the club"
2.
British
(of an office or its holder) unpaid.
"Honorary Secretary of the Association"
synonyms: titular, symbolic, in name only, ceremonial, nominal, unofficial, token
"she has received honorary diplomas from eleven colleges and universities worldwide"
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)I commend her for this.
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)fall on their sword for the good of the party.
DWS did a good and noble thing and she deserves to be rewarded for it.
SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)The empressof all
(29,098 posts)If not that then at least certainly not publically recognized and rewarded for her "work" by our candidate. Once again Hillary proves to be tone deaf....
SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)that there was ever any follow through on those 2-3 emails. Do you have some late breaking news? The Clinton campaign has responded to Sanders' diehards enough and if they can't take yes for an answer or feel perpetually victimized, that's on them. If you want to say she's tone deaf fine, but I'd rather her be the tone deaf nominee than someone who will never be a major party nominee in either of our lifetimes now that his one best chance is up.
onecaliberal
(32,873 posts)SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)There are many reasons that candidates lose elections, but one of the smallest among them is who is heading the DNC at the time.
Shandris
(3,447 posts)It's always nice to see them write very large what they actually think of you.
I'd be more concerned about the fact that everyone is done hiding how completely broken and dysfunctional our """"""""""democracy"""""""""" is, and has no difficulty in having a chuckle about it.
That's the kind of behavior of two people: those who are truly insane, and those who know that there is nothing to be done about it, either now or in the future.
I wonder why that would be.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Shandris
(3,447 posts)Might want to at LEAST try to strawman with words I actually used instead of just making it up from whole cloth.
As for your line of spin (and there is no other word for it; don't bother 'correcting' my 'record'), you strike me as someone who enjoys good desserts. Like, say, Jell-O pudding. As such, I can ONLY find it appropriate to offer you a Coke and a smile.
Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)I know I feel better knowing I don't have to make any more decisions regarding electoral politics. Just slide that bowl under the little flap and I'll gladly lap up whatever my betters feel I deserve.
#knowyourplace
#sitdownandshutup
#iwannnabesedated
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... but I have my doubts. There appear to be a small subset of immature hold-outs that cannot accept reality and who refuse to follow Bernie's lead. That makes me wonder if they were sincere Bernie supporters all along. Or ... is this subset just a group of your everyday run-of-the-mill Hillary-Haters who saw a convenient way to trash Hillary by "supporting" Bernie?
It's difficult to know for certain which is the most accurate statement, but it's pretty likely that one of them comes very close to hitting the mark and describing the motivation.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)really need to get themselves a life.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)You got what you want in her resignation so just let her have these scraps.
global1
(25,253 posts)we knew that this was going to happen and that Hillary would bring her in - but the timing was just inappropriate. She should have at least waited until the convention was over.
emulatorloo
(44,133 posts)ya'll can get all hyped up by 'us uncut' potstirring over this meaningless worthless title, or you can recognize that DWS was publically humiliated and forced to resign. That's what we wanted, and that's what we got.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)oasis
(49,393 posts)Many in the party still appreciate hard work and devotion.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)1. DWS resigns, but will still speak at the convention.
2. Then NO, DWS will not speak at, open or close the Convention.
3. Lefties rejoice! Yay! SHE'S GONE!
4. PSYCH! DWS now works for the campaign.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)Anyone who thinks that working for the Clinton campaign is some honorary booby prize is naive. Obviously they need her too much.
And the affront to the progressive wing? Doesn't matter. You do what you have to do.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)apcalc
(4,465 posts)Allows her to save a bit of face, and she is still outta there.
Seems like win-win to me.
helpisontheway
(5,008 posts)She needs to force DWS to leave immediately. If she got on a plane tonight, the media would drop it. Now she wants to parade on the stage for some unknown reason. Then I think Hillary is trying to stand by her simply because she helped her in 2008. Forget that...this convention could set the tone for the rest of the campaign. If people are focusing on this drama instead of our convention, that lunatic could win this election. DWS should stop being selfish and now out NOW.
Peachhead22
(1,078 posts)eom
book_worm
(15,951 posts)ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)If you believe that, might I interest you in a casino in New Jersey?
This will be the story over the next few days . . . Unless she quits now, not after the convention.
Hillary rewarding her only reinforces the worst beliefs that folks have about Hillary.
Look, I will vote Hillary, even tho I was a YUGE Bernie supporter. But the optics on this won't quit, not when she is appointed the honorary national chair for Hillary.
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Tatiana
(14,167 posts)This is where DWS rightfully belongs. It was not as DNC chair.
However, this is not a smart move for the national campaign. They probably want to allow DWS to save face due to her contested primary back in Florida.
oxymoron
(4,053 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Let us hope that Wasserman Schultz does a good job.
stlsaxman
(9,236 posts)and lost us the house and senate.
yeah "let us hope...", indeed.
demwing
(16,916 posts)unless the revised 50 State strategy is designed to elect Blue Dogs - only then is DWS a good fit
annavictorious
(934 posts)under Kaine, not DWS. Rahm Emmanual preferred a more traditional approach.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Oh, wait. No. That would be suicide for the party.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)But I do not blame Wasserman Schultz for Democrats who run such uninspiring campaigns that the voters do not turn out.
qazplm
(3,626 posts)and STILL want more, whine, and not take a win for an answer.
YOU WON. REPEATEDLY. Declare victory and give it a rest.
BlueMTexpat
(15,370 posts)I am now trashing such OPs.
JCMach1
(27,560 posts)had.
Talk about failing your way to the top.
Well, at least she will have plenty of time to work for the campaign when she looses her Primary.
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Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)renie408
(9,854 posts)DWS has always been a staunch Hillary supporter. She wrote some snotty emails and that is supposed to override years of support? To appease people who are determined to NOT be appeased, no matter what?
At least be honest, for many of you it wouldn't matter if DWS left tonight, you are never going to support Hillary.
demwing
(16,916 posts)I thought that Hillary was sending a message to the left.
Then this bit broke, and I realized Hillary was sending a message: "Business as Usual"
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)She offered her the honorary position as an inducement to resign
greiner3
(5,214 posts)Response to demwing (Original post)
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NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Truly a horrid outfit. Antoine outraged by this simply wakes up outraged. The transparency is nice. usuncut is a step down from hagoodman.com.
Don Draper
(187 posts)This is highly divisive and will fly with Berniecrats like a led ballon. At a time when she should be doing everything she can to unite the party, it's baffling that she would do something so inflammable. Talk about pouring salt on a wound. This is counterproductive going into the GE
dflprincess
(28,080 posts)"Theres simply no one better at taking the fight to the Republicans than Debbiewhich is why I am glad that she has agreed to serve as honorary chair of my campaigns 50-state program to gain ground and elect Democrats in every part of the country, and will continue to serve as a surrogate for my campaign nationally, in Florida, and in other key states."
Yet we're supposed to believe that there was no collusion between the DNC and the Clinton campaign because there was nothing inappropriate about the chair of the DNC acting as a surrogate.
demwing
(16,916 posts)so she must have spoken the truth
aikoaiko
(34,174 posts)inwiththenew
(972 posts)RandySF
(58,977 posts)I can't comprehend the level of stupid that's going into these fights. It's a face-saving honorary position in which DWS will be doing absolutely nothing. Either people are incredibly ignorant or they are just trying to pick fights.
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)LuvLoogie
(7,015 posts)a gauntlet of shame where she is flogged with their superiority. A true mob.
LowerManhattanite
(2,390 posts)She's out of a power position as the dead-enders wantedbut got a superficial, face-saving, honorary hook-up from a friend.
But no! Her ringleted head must bounce on a pike...and even THAT'S not enough for the vengeful.
And that's what the furor is about herevengeance.
williesgirl
(4,033 posts)Voting for Hillary to keep Trump from winning.
DawgHouse
(4,019 posts)eqfan592
(5,963 posts)...and attempting to oppose blatant corruption means we must be supporting the opposition, right?
DawgHouse
(4,019 posts)Grey Lemercier
(1,429 posts)I am appalled at the treatment and abuse that a fellow progressive Democratic woman is being treated to all around, including from many on here. I sense more than a small whiff of misogyny too. She already resigned as demanded by the Bernie people. It is over, it is done, just please stop.
W need to unite against the monster that is Trump. He is an imminent threat, and somehow has managed to actually unite Russia and Nazis into one cause. Think about that for a second, instead of this sandbox brawl over a bloody HONOURARY title.
demwing
(16,916 posts)or at the very least don't reward her for it
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Rex
(65,616 posts)That kind of loyalty is hard to come by. They will work great together.
demwing
(16,916 posts)you might be fine with that, but reasonable people may disagree
Rex
(65,616 posts)Maybe she should have done that last year.
Peachhead22
(1,078 posts)liberal N proud
(60,338 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)and it's for Hillary's to lose. If this is Hillary's idea of uniting the Democratic party, we're screwed!
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)When your only source is a pro Sanders rag that didn't most one factual item the entire primary season maybe the only tone deaf individuals are the ones publishing this shit & the ones who believe it's reliable or news worthy.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)😂😂😂👍
Orsino
(37,428 posts)DWS is in no danger of homelessness.